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when 149 points a year ago

5 Democrats are cosponsors:

  • Josh Gottheimer - NJ-5
  • Jared Moskowitz - FLA-23
  • Joseph Morrell - NY-25
  • Donald Davis - NC-1
  • Laura Gillen - NY-4

https://www.congress.gov/...

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IcyToes 87 points a year ago

Dear lord. Why are Dems getting involved in pushing fascism?

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anarchiddy 82 points a year ago

There have always been liberal collaborators to fascism, this isn't new.

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InvertedParallax -29 points a year ago

Yes, which is why we should vote against democrats forever!!!

TRUMP 2028!!!

Edit: Y'All learned nothing from history.

German communist accelerationists went into the oven just like everyone else.

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Brandonazz 14 points a year ago
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explodicle 9 points a year ago

Who said all Democrats? These specific few are voting against us.

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anarchiddy 5 points a year ago

German communist accelerationists went into the oven just like everyone else.

Lmao. Yep, but not the liberal collaborators. Convenient for them, too - not just because they didn't die but because they got rid of those pesky communists.

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iAvicenna 36 points a year ago

they dont care about the fascism aspect, they care that it guarantees them their seats, just like %90 of all the politicians.

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softcat 36 points a year ago
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vala 2 points a year ago

Same as it ever was

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The_Caretaker 34 points a year ago
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SereneSadie 13 points a year ago

The American government platform. Don't try to single out the Dems for this.

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The_Caretaker 15 points a year ago
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anarchiddy 2 points a year ago

Idk, I think the dems have a bit more culpability than people want to admit since they aren't just committing the same war crimes as the republicans, but suppressing the opposition to it in their own party, too.

Not that republicans wouldn't do the same thing if any opposition existed within their own base to begin with, but democrats are doing it even as they know their base actively resents them for it. That says something extra about their culpability.

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IcyToes -4 points a year ago

Maybe, but when they went too hard, he applied pressure. Trump offered to take over and help in the genocide (Middle East Riviera plan).

Democrats are not good, but unfortunately, those idiots are temporarily needed to dump out the fascists.

Politics in FPTP is a bit like a bus, and if you cannot get a bus where you need to go, get one in roughly the right direction.

The amount of "Genocide Joe" Lemmyers who helped cement genocide Trump are complicit in what is effectively a mass starvation. At least Biden tried to step in with supplies when Israel stopped last time.

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Keeponstalin 10 points a year ago

Biden gave zero genuine pressure to end the genocide. Instead of implementing a weapons embargo, he sent tens of billions worth of weapons used to prolong the genocide.

One Year of Empty Rhetoric From the White House on Israel’s Wars

From the MEMO article:

The Biden administration allowed Israel unprecedented leeway to carry out its military offensive, despite the enormous death and devastation it inflicted on Gaza. Former Israeli ambassador, Michael Herzog, made a startling admission about Biden’s support: “God did the State of Israel a favour that Biden was the president during this period. We fought [in Gaza] for over a year and the administration never came to us and said, ‘ceasefire now.’ It never did. And that’s not to be taken for granted.” His remarks encapsulated a broader sentiment that the White House gave Benjamin Netanyahu all the political space he needed to execute the military offensive, which has claimed the lives of more than 52,000 Palestinians, mainly women and children.

Even the proposal to ethnically cleanse the entire population of Gaza, or 'empty Gaza of palesinians,' by removing them to neighboring countries, was first proposed by the Biden admin behind closed doors

The diplomat said Egypt rejected similar proposals from the Biden administration and European countries early in the war, which was sparked by Hamas’ Oct. 7, 2023 attack into southern Israel. The earlier proposals were broached privately, while Trump announced his plan at a White House press conference alongside Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

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The_Caretaker 9 points a year ago
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stab48fjfifi 1 point a year ago
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junimond 8 points a year ago

Wer hat uns verraten…? Sozialdemokraten…

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GrumpyDuckling 10 points a year ago

Are they considered Isreali products🤔

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Viking_Hippie 12 points a year ago

Yes. You will be required by law to purchase Josh Gottheimer.

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FundMECFSResearch 3 points a year ago

Prime list of people to oust in the primaries

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kryptonianCodeMonkey 111 points a year ago

How do you outlaw a boycott? It's not an act, it's a non-act. An absence of a purchase. How do you distinguish boycott from just not buying something you don't want or need like any other item. Are we going to be required to put so much of our purchases toward Isreal now?

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JasonDJ 61 points a year ago

Ding ding ding.

This is how they "lawfully" throw "dissidents" into the gulag.

Remember...most of what Hitler did was technically legal and above-board. Because they controlled the laws and shaped them as they saw fit.

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straightjorkin 40 points a year ago

Wrong think will be punished

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technocrit 20 points a year ago

You outlaw a boycott by using violence against those who promote the boycott. It's not even anything new. Many states have already been doing this. Not to mention recent disappearances of anti-genocide activists.

Violence in service of hegemony is almost the entire purpose of the state.

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Anomalocaris 18 points a year ago

the state wants to lock you up, figures out you don't drink coca cola, You're on trial for not buying Coca-Cola, or Nestle, or never tried Sabras hummus... straight to jail.

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barsoap 14 points a year ago path: 0 16846747 16850597, hotness: undefined, score: 14, children: 0
ZombiFrancis 10 points a year ago

Not just show your papers, show your recent Israel approved consumer good purchases!

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cybervseas 7 points a year ago

Twitter sued advertisers who said they were boycotting it, and it worked somehow…

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Ledericas 1 point a year ago

boycott

probably using to target groups that are protesting against israel.

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stoy 92 points a year ago

This is brilliant, you could have the gestasi inspecting everyone at the checkouts at a supermarket, and if you don't buy a Sodastream cartridge, you get disappeared.

(Sodastream is an Israeli company, and used to manufacture their machines in an industrial park in an Israeli settlement on the West Bank)

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RamblingPanda 37 points a year ago

Sodastream is an Israeli company

I didn't know that. Good thing I've been boycotting their cylinders for years.

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Birch 7 points a year ago

Well fuck, I just got one, I just assumed they were a german company since they're so popular there

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RamblingPanda 6 points a year ago path: 0 16842975 16843413 16844485 16845246, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
stoy 5 points a year ago

I got an Aarke instead because I liked the design, so now I just need to replace my current sodastream cartridge with an offbrand one...

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JudahBenHur 5 points a year ago

aarke

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Bo7a 3 points a year ago

Get a nice bar-sized cylinder of CO2 (sometimes called beer gas) and a 15 dollar adapter. Get you that (nearly) guilt-free bubbly water by never sending them a cent for gas!

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barsoap 2 points a year ago

Not really any more, mostly though because other companies got into the business and aren't charging an arm and a leg for carbon dioxide. Other manufacturers also aren't pointlessly incompatible to each other.

Sparkling water, of course, is still ridiculously popular over here, and carbonating at home is convenient. Then, though: Tap water + soda stream co2 is more expensive than store-brand bottled water.

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Bytemeister 81 points a year ago

Didn't CU rule that spending money is free speech? So isn't compelling the spending of money compelling speech? Sounds straight up unconstitutional.(as if that fucking matters these days)

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technocrit 77 points a year ago

Rich people spending money is free speech.

Anti-genocide activists not spending money is terrorism.

AKA the usual.

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Formfiller 3 points a year ago

Republicans have been undermining the constitution for decades. Now they straight up wipe their ass with it. The Goal has always been a christofacist dictatorship

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Lv_InSaNe_vL 1 point a year ago

No, Citizens United ruled that corporations are allowed to engage in elections just like citizens. It said nothing about money, protesting, or anything else.

Still not a good ruling for any reason, but not really relevant here.

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RedditRefugee69 -2 points a year ago

Wait, doesn't your argument support their bill?

They're agreeing with you; they are suggesting that convincing people of what to do with their money is infringing on their "speech."

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Bytemeister 6 points a year ago

My argument is that republicans are never consistent with their policies.

Spending isn't free speech. The government cannot compell speech. This doesn't not mean that the government can compell spending (I mean, it sorta can with taxes and fines, but it can't compell spending to select businesses, markets or groups.)

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RedditRefugee69 2 points a year ago

I agree with you but you're operating outside of case law and the entire sentiment is moot when arguing this particular case.

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nexguy 2 points a year ago

Is it saying it's illegal to "convince"(therefore not the consumer) or it's illegal to "participate" (meaning the consumer)

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tazeycrazy 74 points a year ago

How is this to enforced. Is there to be a Israeli mandated amount of product that you would need to buy.

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Noite_Etion 54 points a year ago

Vague laws can be abused easier.

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EndlessNightmare 30 points a year ago

"Please drink a verification can"

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Batman 8 points a year ago

Omg!! This is how we get there, isnt it?! 😳

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freely1333 21 points a year ago

You will be expected to wear your Israeli pager at all times

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technocrit 5 points a year ago path: 0 16843178 16849346, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
superkret 68 points a year ago

Oh you didn't buy a Soda Stream?
Believe it or not, straight to jail!

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AngrySquirrel 67 points a year ago

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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A_Random_Idiot 31 points a year ago

Because republicans care so much about laws they don't agree with.

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aramova 4 points a year ago

Or parts of the religions they thump on about.

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nickiwest 14 points a year ago

And the USSC has definitely ruled that money is equivalent to speech. So boycott activity is logically covered under this Amendment.

If this law passes, a lot of people are going to have a rough year or two until they can get a case all the way to the Supreme Court.

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Lv_InSaNe_vL 1 point a year ago

if this law passes

First of all, a law has already passed. This is just a bill

Second, it hasn't even made it to committee, let alone to a vote. But you can (assuming you are an American) Contact your representative and tell them what you think about this bill.

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Formfiller 1 point a year ago

It will be too late by then the damage will have been done

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Formfiller 2 points a year ago

Yeah trump and maga have been wiping their ass with that document for a while. I don’t think it’s a thing anymore

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LeFantome 60 points a year ago

If you make the 1st Amendment illegal, the rest of the Constitution cannot be far behind.

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pyre 29 points a year ago

if? people have already been blackbagged for their speech. this is just encoding something already in effect.

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ScrambledEggs 55 points a year ago

Sounds kinda DEI to me

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technocrit 10 points a year ago

It's DEI for "white" people from europe so it's ok.

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RunawayFixer 55 points a year ago

Hopefully someone makes a list of brands and companies that you aren't allowed to boycot according to usa republicans and then publishes that list online on a user friendly website. After all, without that information, people might be unknowingly breaking the law when they start a personal boycot.

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Doorbook 11 points a year ago

Genius. Unfortunately, they will most likely target anti-genocide activist, check their phone for any BDS material and charge them with this.

It is not for the masses it is for the vocal once.

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Anomalocaris 4 points a year ago

this, i just deleted my BDS apps, will have to rely on manually checking things with a vpn.

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Charlxmagne 51 points a year ago

How tf can u ban a boycott, how is that even possible let alone provable 🤦 Politics aside if I js don't like a brand that endorses or has ties to Israel would I then be subject to charges. How u trynna force people to buy from certain companies, what if I was bruk, would I be breaking the law? 🤡

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DoubleSpace 28 points a year ago

This will probably be used to target protestors and organizers of political movements.

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EndlessNightmare 15 points a year ago

Yeah, the boycott itself can't reasonably be prosecuted. But it can be used to suppress discussion (e.g. organization, coordination) of said boycott.

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Charlxmagne 8 points a year ago path: 0 16856713 16858379 16858455 16858534, hotness: undefined, score: 8, children: 0
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 10 points a year ago

Excuse me I saw you drinking flat water where is your soda stream ice this one get this one

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Ledericas 3 points a year ago

it will probably use to target protestors, and groups criticial of israel.

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feddylemmy 49 points a year ago

The bill got pulled!

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Etterra 24 points a year ago

For now. Let's see what happens when it's budget time again. They'll probably bury it in there because we live in hell.

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EndlessNightmare 3 points a year ago

Yep, how the government works. Keep spamming a bill that the general public doesn't want until it sticks. But then no such efforts to repeal it and we're stuck with the flaming piece of shit.

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Formfiller 7 points a year ago

Good. Holy 💩

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Enkrod 45 points a year ago

Fuck this shit, this is intentionally vague to be used as a cudgel

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barneypiccolo 44 points a year ago

First you get people comfortable with defending genocide in another country, then they won't be so resistant when you start doing it in your own country.

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Quadhammer -2 points a year ago

They were russian astroturfs

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technocrit 2 points a year ago

Who is they?

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SaharaMaleikuhm 44 points a year ago

How do I boycott Israel in the first place? Not booking my next vacation there? Do I get 20 years in prison for that?

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grrgyle 26 points a year ago

https://bdsmovement.net/...

Whatever the legal status of officially boycotting Isreal, there's still no law against just incidentally not doing business with the companies.

Before someone says they can't avoid some of these: OK, then boycott the other ones.

Whatever sand you have to throw, throw it in the gears of genocide. Don't just do nothing.

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starman2112 13 points a year ago

The Constitution says there's also no law against actively and loudly not doing business with the companies

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Splenetic 20 points a year ago

It seems like theatre. How will you ever prove that I chose Burger King over McDonalds for political reasons?

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EndlessNightmare 3 points a year ago

I don't eat meat. BK has Impossible burgers and McD's doesn't. Of course they've been coming after synthetic meat too in some places. They're throwing a fit because a single-digit % of the population had the audacity to opt out of eating meat derived from animals.

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TheDoozer 8 points a year ago

I am not vegan or vegetarian, but I still prefer Impossible burgers (and Impossible chicken patties) and Beyond Steak bites. Not only does it at least significantly reduce my meat consumption, it is generally better than the real meat, since it doesn't have any weird bits and is lower in bad cholesterol. Also, it makes it so the meat I do eat can be sourced more ethically (buying direct from the rancher, hunting and fishing my own for subsistence, getting free range eggs especially from locals) instead of getting the final product and just ignoring what torture went into it.

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skisnow 2 points a year ago

Serious answer, that's not ever what would get prosecuted. What would get you prosecuted in your scenario is e.g. sending a memo to the network of malls you operate saying "do not renew or accept new leases from McDonalds", or to the accounts department of your company saying "do not accept any staff expense claim receipts from McDonalds".

(I'm not supporting the bill by the way, just answering your question at face value)

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nexguy 12 points a year ago

They make a surprising amount of things. I noticed a woodworking tool I have was made in Israel. Never expected that.

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dufkm 8 points a year ago
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Donkter 11 points a year ago

Well, I can think of at least one famous Jewish carpenter.

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Vandals_handle 12 points a year ago

Nailed it!

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nexguy 8 points a year ago

A Bosch router bit

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dufkm 2 points a year ago
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sabo 9 points a year ago

disoccupied.com

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TonyOstrich 2 points a year ago

The best I have managed to do is not buying some hand tools from a company based there. I'm sure they are really missing that $100, lol.

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FreakinSteve 36 points a year ago

Hey big shoutout to all the Redditors and Lemmy guys who told me that we can have no restrictions on free speech because if we restrict Nazis they will restrict us if they ever gain power.

Welp, here ya go...like I told you...and many of you blocked and/or banned me for saying it. Ironic.

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A_Random_Idiot 7 points a year ago

5 bucks says the people who told you that were, in fact, nazis

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FreakinSteve 6 points a year ago

Hard to say. They mostly seemed like college liberals still living at home

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A_Random_Idiot 3 points a year ago

been my experience that that people saying "We have to protect the nazis" are either nazis, or nazis pretending to be their idea of librul to infiltrate,

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FreakinSteve 5 points a year ago path: 0 16861929 16869638 16869908 16871292 16871414, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 2
ArchRecord 6 points a year ago
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postmateDumbass 6 points a year ago

Is the problem the speech or the people tbat speak it?

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Oggyb 6 points a year ago

Great question. Intention matters, so many countries focus on speech that can only be malicious, like incitement to violence in the UK or Nazi salutes in Germany.

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postmateDumbass 3 points a year ago

People ready and willing to spread violent, harmful hate can be dealt with via the laws they violate. Assult, battey, stalking, theft, etc.

The subtle side is, as always, if your speech cannot persuade the (large) majority that the opposition speech is wrong, then to dismiss the opposition is to become the oppressing minority.

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Schadrach 5 points a year ago

The bill got pulled. And even if it didn't it's such a blatant and egregious violation of 1A that even Trump's pet judges would have to shoot it down out of fear of the precedent it would set and what would happen if ever they lose power for any length of time.

That's the conversation I've been having with some people cheering on Trump's immigration moves. I've pointed out the machine the individual bricks seems to be building, and when they support that too because Trump will only use it on the "right sort of people" I point out that Trump won't be in power forever, and ask him what he'd think if someone like Harris or AOC had that same power. That's when they suddenly get it, because the idea that the same machinery could be brought against them is not something they consider.

The first question you should ask when considering "Should the government have this power?" is "If the people I oppose the very most had this power, what would they do with it?" If you're not OK with the answer to that, then the government shouldn't have that power.

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Ledericas 3 points a year ago

i felt like the trolls on reddits are just RU stoking anger and division.

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The_Caretaker 31 points a year ago
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CosmicTurtle0 22 points a year ago

Here is the bill (it's like two pages)

I'm not a lawyer so I could be reading this wrong but this law doesn't apply directly to citizens, per se.

The law that it modifies basically makes it illegal for a company to contractually require you to boycott another company that you disagree with, but one that is allied toward the US.

For example, imagine you're the CEO of ACME and you want to do business with Aperture Science, Inc. Aperture can't, as a condition of you doing business with them, restrict you from working with Israeli companies.

That all being said, I do not trust this administration will use the law for it's intended purpose and will instead use it as a club to beat people with.

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Mattmercer 3 points a year ago

Thank you. I've been so confused seeing this bill sent around with people saying it's intended to punish any given individual for choosing to not buy from Israel. I could absolutely be wrong (I'm also not an attorney), but it definitely reads like you have to either be pressured or compensated by a foreign nation (or an IGO if this bill passes) to be impacted by this.

That said, your last point is completely fair...so maybe people are right to worry as though this will get used against them even if they're not boycotting in league with a foreign power. With the folks in this admin, maybe it will 🤷🏻‍♂️

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CosmicTurtle0 1 point a year ago

I've been screaming this since the days of digg: no one reads bills. I do for this very reason. Once you get used to reading "Washington speak", you can get a general sense of what a bill is going to do and what it won't do.

Given the hype, it wouldn't surprise me if this was a false flag where the alt right is trying to tire us out by having yet another thing to worry about.

We can only do so much. I'm not saying stopping Israel isn't important. I am saying we need to pick and choose our battles. Of the things the Republicans are doing, it's nothing.

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Carmakazi 17 points a year ago

This is a cudgel to use against leftist activists when they are identified through social media skimming and illegal surveillance. The charge of antisemitic activity will be constructed parallel to their desire to brutalize them.

And they all get a stack of AIPAC cash to implement this too.

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boreengreen 7 points a year ago

I guess raising awareness of products origin and why one should boycott becomes the issue.

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technocrit 6 points a year ago path: 0 16844151 16849331, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
DicJacobus 31 points a year ago

America can't be taken seriously anymore.

It's a good thing Russia gave half of a wakeup call to the rest of the free world to arm the fuck up 3 years ago. We know America can't be relied on for anything anymore.

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rockettaco37 26 points a year ago

You remember that first amendment thing we used to have here?

Yeah... neither does our government

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RamblingPanda 25 points a year ago

Well, if that isn't freedom of speech, I don't know what is. So much freedom, it oozes oil.

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RedFrank24 24 points a year ago

Is that legal? It doesn't sound legal. I'm sure they could make it illegal for US government agencies to boycott Israel because that's at least partially a foreign policy decision, but private businesses? What are they gonna do, force you to buy Israeli goods?

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GreenKnight23 18 points a year ago

narrator: it didn't sound legal because it wasn't.

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shawn1122 23 points a year ago

How to hack your GDP while ordinary people suffer

  1. Private weapons manufacturers make more weapons than should ever be needed.

Why? Your country gained its wealth by becoming the world's largest weapons manufacturer, making it the greatest financial beneficiary of WW2. That manufacturing infrastructure didn't just disappear overnight.

  1. Large government subsidies to countries like Israel which aren't actually cash, rather they are purchases of these privately manufactured weapons using taxpayer dollars. These are given to Israel and other countries / entities in the world which perpetuate military conflict in order to keep feeding the machine.

There you have it. Production and consumption which keeps your GDP and GDP per capita growing without providing a meaningful benefit to humanity.

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UncleGrandPa 22 points a year ago

Any government that tells you what you can complain about

Is by definition a Totalerian government

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EightBitBlood 8 points a year ago

Worse than that - they're trying to tell us what we can spend our money on.

Which according to the horse shit Citizens United ruling is free speech for corporations. But not the people in em I guess.

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peteypete420 21 points a year ago

How do you enforce anti boycott, how do you force someone to spend their money?

Dont get me wrong Ill know they will try again, but wow.

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Mongostein 10 points a year ago

If you’re an American paying taxes you can’t boycott Israel. It doesn’t even need to be a law.

Seems like they’re trying to turn boycott in to a dirty word.

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peteypete420 6 points a year ago

Yes yes I know where my tax dollars go, thank you. Well, ok actually not entirely, but yes to fund the irl fucking evil empire.

But boycotts make me think of private citzens not buying a product, or from a store or provider, etc.

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RidderSport 21 points a year ago

Wait you first blame us for not having free speach, because lying about the holocaust is illegal and now you ban boycotting Israel for engaging in a de facto genocide?

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heyWhatsay 20 points a year ago

Incremental steps into the police state.

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SmilingSolaris 13 points a year ago

We are in a police state. This is more.

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DarkFuture 20 points a year ago

Nazi America

Brought to you by millions of fascist fucks, including your own family and friends.

Buy a gun.

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LordOfLocksley 18 points a year ago

The courts won't enforce this right, because of freedom of speech, right?

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rockerface 36 points a year ago

Freedom of what? Sounds like something communist to me /s

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victorz 5 points a year ago

Freedom of what?

😆 I dunno why I thought this was so funny lmao.

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Batman 5 points a year ago

My brain immediately saw the meme of the the blond woman "inquiring intensifies" Edit: Like this!

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technocrit 4 points a year ago path: 0 16844412 16849340, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
aceshigh 17 points a year ago

Can someone explain why Israel is so important to them? Aren’t these the same people who are antisemic? Additionally, how does supporting Israel make the us a Christian nation?

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nomy 42 points a year ago

For a lot of evangelicals and orthodox jews, they believe the Third Temple must be built at Temple Mount for the Messiah to return/come. Christians are a death cult and it's part of their eschatology to work towards those ends to bring about the Second Coming and the rise of New Jerusalem/Zion.

In terms of realpolitik Israel is a strategic foothold in an geographically important area rich with resources and trade routes.

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Saleh 2 points a year ago

Note that plenty of Christians reject these attempts to bring on judgement day just as many Jews reject the forceful invasion of the Holy Land to bring on a promised Jewish state.

Abrahamic faith is pretty clear on the decision of when to call judgement day to be solely in the hands of God and noone except God knows.

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RangerJosey 31 points a year ago

Evangelical Christianity is a death cult predicated on Israel's existence and eventual destruction.

All those Christian "friends of Israel" long to see every Israeli dead. Because that means the end of the world. White Jesus comes back. A horn is blown. World War ending specifically in fire. Not a flood this time cuz God pinky swore not to.

And everyone except for 144,000 of the most insane Christians is damned to hellfire for all eternity. Jebus rebuilds heaven on Earth.

That's the whole story. From an Exvangelical who was raised in this snake-fuckingly crazy nonsense.

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NikkiDimes 8 points a year ago

Lol, imagine someone attacks Israel with a nuke, triggers an entire nuclear armageddon, and the whole world is englufed in "fire and brimstone," and the crazy mother fuckers were right all along.

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RangerJosey 5 points a year ago

That is literally the plan. It's why Israel has nukes. Those open secret nukes everyone knows about that don't officially exist.

Edit - Its why we're so antagonistic towards Iran. The psychos want to bait Iran and Israel into full scale war hoping one of them will kick start the apocalypse.

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nickiwest 2 points a year ago

This sounds insane because it is insane.

It is also true. They don't even try to hide it. Do they still have a weekly show about it on TBN?

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aceshigh 2 points a year ago

If they want every Israeli dead, then why are they trying to save Israel? Maybe a better question is, do they want the end of the world now or is it this something they want to look forward to?

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RangerJosey 3 points a year ago

Because it has to be destroyed the right way at the right time. Cuz "Prophesy" and shit. There's shit that needs to happen first. Like a big fancy temple has to be built.

If Israel was destroyed before that they'd have to start this whole colonial project over again.

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EndlessNightmare 2 points a year ago

Evangelical Christianity is a death cult predicated on Israel’s existence and eventual destruction.

I.e. simultaneously zionist and antisemitic

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nickiwest 1 point a year ago

Only accidentally Zionist. They don't actually believe that Jewish people have a right to Israel so much as they believe that Jewish people need to inhabit Israel to fulfill Christian prophecy.

US evangelicals are treating an entire ethno-religious group as means to their desired end. It's disgusting.

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ZombiFrancis 11 points a year ago

The American economy since WW2 has relied on funding and supplying armed conflict.

No other entity has supplied more justification for that end.

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Anomalocaris 5 points a year ago

Evangelists odd profecies, but mostly lobbying. AIPAC.

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technocrit 4 points a year ago

Money, grifting, racism, indoctrination, etc... All the usual reasons that people would support fascism.

Plus heretics preaching this garbage to several religions.

https://www.trtworld.com/...

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bonnashejve 1 point a year ago
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WorldsDumbestMan 16 points a year ago

Well, we now know what death cult is behind the misery of literally the entire world.

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FreakinSteve 1 point a year ago

Irony: Nazis are teaching the rest of us who hate Nazis how to hate the Jews

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WorldsDumbestMan 1 point a year ago

Screaming Nazi at everyone who calls you out, won't work forever. You are DONE.

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FreakinSteve 1 point a year ago

Not sure what or who you are referring to but I am not done

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pineapplelover 14 points a year ago

How tf do you ban boycotts? What if I just don't want to consoom all the time?

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nuko147 18 points a year ago

Probably that is a threat for anyone spreading boycott movement in social media. So if you post McDonald are shit, bad for the health and do not consume them, you are ok. If you post don't go to McDonald because they support a genocide by Israel, then it is another story.

And so the fear begins. Its a first step.

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tmcgh 6 points a year ago

Sorry, we checked your recent bank transactions and you haven't spent enough money at [Insert Corporation]. Please pay the $100 fine or serve one day at [Insert Corporation] as a free laborer.

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wpb 12 points a year ago

Gosh I wonder how the democrats will vote on this.

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RymrgandsDaughter 11 points a year ago

What goods or services does Israel provide that we're "boycotting "

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Alaik 17 points a year ago

Apparently we import a ton of legislation.

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wolframhydroxide 5 points a year ago

And also, apparently, Signal forks with security backdoors put in by former Israeli intelligence officers.

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Doorbook 10 points a year ago

They dont, they boycotting is aim at company that actively participate in the genocide. Microsoft Cloud and AI services for and other Software and Hardware companies for example. Companies that donate money to them or they have headquarter in illegal occupied land. And many others. The BDS movement for example provide a list of companies highlighted by the United Nations to be performing illegal activities in the west bank.

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Anomalocaris 3 points a year ago

(not to be pedantic)

but it's both, both boycott Israel companies and products (like hummus illegally farmed in the West Bank. but also companies who participate and engage in Apartheid, like Coca cola that has bottling plants in the west bank as well. or companies that profit from their apartheid, like CAT, or Microsoft/google...

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RymrgandsDaughter 2 points a year ago

Yeah well they can't make people buy that shit

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technocrit 6 points a year ago

Surveillance, military weaponry against civilians, racism, etc.

Also phony "israeli" hummus.

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RymrgandsDaughter 1 point a year ago

Aren't we exporting that? Like always?

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nexguy 10 points a year ago

Law is summarized as:

Prohibited actions include (1) refusing to do business with companies organized under the laws of the boycotted country, if the refusal is pursuant to an agreement with or request from the country or IGO imposing the boycott; (2) refusing to employ any U.S. person on the basis of race, religion, sex, or national origin; and (3) furnishing information about whether someone is associated with charitable or fraternal organizations that support the boycotted country.

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nexguy 19 points a year ago

So it seems like if you decide not to buy a shirt made in Israel because the EU suggests a boycott, you go to jail and/or get fined. Clear violation of the 1st ammendment.

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shawn1122 22 points a year ago

Practically, how do you prosecute someone for not voluntarily consuming a good or service?

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nexguy 12 points a year ago

I'm guessing you can't but this might be aimed at businesses where there could be memos maybe?

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The_Lurker 12 points a year ago

It's for harassment. Even shit lawsuits cost serious money to defend. Yeah, it's unwinnable, but but the company defending might choose to not publicly side with a boycott or engage in one, which is the goal of these apocalypse seeking lunatics.

Also, lawyers don't take civil rights cases anymore since the Supreme Court ruled the lawyer couldn't get paid out of government reparations to the victims. Constitutional violation cases take time and a shit load of money to prosecute, something most victims don't have.

There was a recent decision continuing this trend.

https://studentbriefs.law.gwu.edu/...

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vaultdweller013 7 points a year ago

Even then that only works if they specificy that it's because of a boycott, they could refuse to do business because the other guy smelt like a vegetarian omelette MRE which would be a valid reason. Anti-boycott laws are pretty universally easy to get around since a boycott functions on the principal of "I'm not buying that" which is pretty hard to prove the reasoning to.

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Therobohour 8 points a year ago

I always thought the Israeli would destroy the US is some fashion

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bonnashejve 8 points a year ago
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jsomae 7 points a year ago

I'm going to guess that they're trying to make it seem like boycotts are a serious threat. It's a start but not enough.

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anarchiddy 5 points a year ago

Don't worry guys, this will surely create blowback next election and a liberal can be back in charge

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MNByChoice 6 points a year ago

No no. The "liberal" won't be liberal enough. Gotta wait for the right type of liberal before we vote against Nazi.

/sarcasm

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theangryseal 3 points a year ago

It really is too early to be gritting my teeth man.

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anarchiddy 2 points a year ago

Maybe if they're alpha and lose their woke reputation they won't need those crazies who are demanding them to do something 'meaningful'

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technocrit 1 point a year ago

Gotta wait for another nazi who's liberal enough.

Do y'all want genocide? Or do you want liberal genocide? Remember, if you don't vote for genocide, then the genocide is your fault.

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iAvicenna 4 points a year ago

Lets wait and see what percentage of democrats will vote yes

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wowwoweowza 4 points a year ago

This will go down in flames.

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rational_lib 4 points a year ago

Republicans do this shit because it makes people vote against Democrats

  • Far right zionists vote against Democrats because most Democrats will oppose it
  • Leftists vote against Democrats because a few of them will support it

Pure win for Republicans.

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carpelbridgesyndrome 4 points a year ago

Isn't there already an anti boycott law on the books?

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skisnow 3 points a year ago

Yeah. I worked for a US-headquartered multinational in Asia, and we had to do a whole training about how we had to be scrupulous in not doing anything that could be interpreted as a boycott of Israel otherwise the company would be breaking the law.

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