Trump Says He’ll Defy Court Order, Withhold SNAP Until Dems Drop Demands and Reopen Gov’t
8 months ago by silence7 to c/politics
In a less polarized and post truth world you’d probably be right. I fear however that the solid 36-37% maga base will never find an issue that can’t be spun or rationalized. In the magasphere this situation seems to be framed as the GOP stepping up to fight against free health care for illegal immigrants which seems divorced from reality.
It's a cult
Reality genuinely doesn't play any part in things with them
In a less polarized and post truth world you’d probably be right. I fear however that the solid 36-37% maga base will never find an issue that can’t be spun or rationalized.
It's not an accident...
When Nixon resigned, Roger Ailes wrote a memo that accidentally ended up in the icon presidential library:
The memo – called, simply enough, “A Plan For Putting the GOP on TV News” – is included in a 318-page cache of documents detailing [Roger] Ailes’ work for both the Nixon and George H.W. Bush administrations that we obtained from the Nixon and Bush presidential libraries. Through his firms REA Productions and Ailes Communications, Inc., Ailes served as paid consultant to both presidents in the 1970s and 1990s, offering detailed and shrewd advice ranging from what ties to wear to how to keep the pressure up on Saddam Hussein in the run-up to the first Gulf War.
The memo explains why television was the way to go:
Today television news is watched more often than people read newspapers, than people listen to the radio, than people read or gather any other form of communication. The reason: People are lazy. With television you just sit—watch—listen. The thinking is done for you.
They knew that if they owned the media, they could control what people thought, and no republican president would ever have to resign due to public outcry again.
Luckily, he was held back by federal regulations, until a good ole capitalist from Arkansas got elected and decided anyone should be able to own media in America:
The stated intention of the law was to "let anyone enter any communications business – to let any communications business compete in any market against any other."[5] In practice, it gave way to one of the largest consolidations of the telecommunications sector in history - as such, it is often described as an attempt to deregulate the American broadcasting and telecommunications markets due to technological convergence.
After that it was gloves off and the billionaires gobbled up every aspect of the "news" industry and maintain almost exclusive control over what a majority of Americans hear.
TBF, the problem with media was well underway before Clinton came along. The Fairness Doctrine being done away with under Ronnie Raygun opened the floodgates.
Trump is posting on social media that Biden's administration was just giving SNAP benefits away. His idiot supporters are gonna believe it.
Yeah, but most of the hardcore maga base is going to die within 10 years, but waaaayyyy sooner if Trump keeps cutting snap and Medicaid. Then you'll be left with the few capable white supremacist MAGAts, and a lot of out of shape brainwashed dipshits who will either scatter into the shadows or fall in line and shut the fuck up real quick
I truly think that a good amount of these people could be personally executed by Trump shooting them in the chest, and while Trump says "I know what you are and I hate you" they would lay there dying and say "Oh it's okay, I know you didn't mean that. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes. I still support what you're doing overall." or possibly even "I guess I do deserve to die if you say so".
Now I will say the majority of even the maga team is not this nuts. But some definitely are. Many humans have unfortunately had the privilege to never interact with the kind of person who will truly never change their mind. I've known one or two, and it's a really mind-expanding experience, almost like you're meeting an extraterrestrial. It's hard for people who haven't seen them to believe 👽 lol
I think by saying he'll defy a court order, he's letting the supreme court know they have to okay whatever bullshit he comes up with. Otherwise, it will become obvious that they can't do jack shit.
No idea. They always take their time, delay, and appeal so I just assume that'll be the eventual resolution.
https://www.theguardian.com/...
I guess they don't even have to bother.
If the government can't afford to feed and heal the people, they shouldn't be building a ballroom. I was taught in school to pay for your needs before your wants.
But the ballroom is all being paid for by the people who are hoping Trump will do them favors. So, that makes it none of our business.
This is literally how we got here. Dems capitulated over and over during Obama's presidency to keep programs like SNAP going, and Republicans have run the same strategy ever since. Stonewall everything as long as you can, and blame it on the other side the entire time. And people eat it up every single time.
I feel like dems should add to their list of demands- if the Rs dont agree to reverse course on Healthcare now, dems will not agree to reopen until all missed snap benefits are paid back retroactively- if it goes another week, they will not vote until ice is fully refunded, etc
Use open secrets dort org. You can find the shitbags in your area that gave 5k, 10k, 20k, 50k+ directly to the trump campaign. Not a general Republican PAC, but directly to HIS campaign. You can then cross reference those names with county property records. Then you can engage in civil political discourse with those people
Be thankful you get a choice.
We didn’t get a choice about bailing out Argentina. Or soybean sales to China.
"sound the alarm", horseshit. Just file the articles of impeachment and make the senators vote openly that they believe the executive branch ignoring a court order is okay. Senators should have to openly say it's okay to not remove someone for not following the rules /"laws" of the republic. Then as Trump keeps fucking everything up the Senators will have to realize either A. They are willing to surrender their job/career/ country to back a tryant,or B. They need to jump ship.
If its fine to not listen to the courts, then there is no reason for congress to exist. Their job is to write legislation that the courts ensure breakers of that legislation are punished.
They should have done so on many other occasions, but their failures are only adding up.
File the articles of impeachment over every single illegal action he is undertaking. Make it so congress is constantly dealing with impeachment hearing every second of every day till he is dead and buried.
While doing that make sure that you call for a constitutional convention, not an amendment or a series if amendments. A full on new constitution is needed to clear the shit out.
While the House of Representatives remains out have all the democratic representatives meet and broadcast it publicly. Do that every single day, talk policy and reforms and ask republican representatives to join the meeting. Make it painfully obvious that the democrats want to have a functioning government and not be held out like this endlessly.
Anyways tangent over.
You do not want a constitutional convention in this political climate. Amending the constitution requires 3/4 of state legislatures to ratify the amendment. Considering a solid majority of states have Republican controlled legislatures, the only things we're likely to get from a convention are amendments banning DEI initiatives and trans people in sports, or something even worse.
I say they amend the constitution to make it 1/4 vote congress impeach, 1/3 vote removes. VP is not picked by President, it is the second most votes like when the country started. Then you put oversight committees on every executive organization and they answer directly to congress. Get rid of "executive powers" that come from declaring emergencies and etc. So impeaching president puts the VP (most likely their running opponent). Then the 3rd votes goes to VP and an emergency vote is taken place, to put a new Senate backup.
Or I've said before: dissolve the executive branch, and place all of the organizations under the legislature, and make a 3rd party review committee that evaluates if legislation, and judicial is being created to overpower the judicial branch or corrupt. And all organizations under the executive answer directly to congress.
Or, dissolve the Senate and the Executive... Place everything under Congress, expand the supreme Court to 50 judges one from each state. (Still would need some oversight)
But the idea is to make it so population of individuals is easily defeated, and we don't have giant stupid news buyouts every 4 years to make 1 position something it was never meant to me. If you don't want a king, kill the position
That would work if it weren't for the gullibility of republican voters. GOP is clearly the ones at fault for the current shut down, yet they've convinced half of their supporters to blame democrats based on literally nothing.
So if the senate refuses to ratify any impeachment than all the GOP has to do is yell "TDS" and all their criminally stupid supporters would believe it no questions asked.
Not really different from our current reality tho
The events of January 6th suggest Trump would be willing to mass execute congress if he didn't need them anymore
The articles of impeachment are the house, the removal is the Senate. Requires 2/3. It's why Trump was not removed during his 1st term. Impeached twice, and the Senate never voted to remove, the second time saying it was so close to the end it doesn't matter if we vote. (It did matter, he most likely wouldn't be president now if they had)
Trump will negotiate with Hamas, Putin and North Korea but NOT with Democrats.
And we can add the Taliban to the list, scheduled to negotiate at Camp David no less.
Oh it would be a private road. A nice alley lined with trophies of self-aggrandisement and narcissism, closed off to the public who only get to look on through a fence as he gets driven up and down his rue de merde (which someone told him is related to merit, so he ate it right up, because fact checking is for losers) in a pimped out golf cart.
I thought it was kiddie rape
After midterms. These dems better put on their big girl panties and start impeaching and imprisoning this entire administration and the Supreme Court immediately. No mercy project 2029!
I can already hear them saying "we as a nation need to heal and move on from the darkness behind us" 🙄
Cancer is "healed" by aggressively snuffing it out.
Don't worry. I'm sure we'll get Merrick Garland as AG again.
He will be in jail. Maybe we don’t pardon him so the new guy does his job properly this time
"I will withold food from them, unless Democrats let me take their healthcare"
Since he is ignoring courts now, what's stopping him from doing that anyway, even after government is open? The bill already severely cut snap benefits, and instructed agencies to stop reporting on hunger level in US, so it is not like he cares.
Seems like lately its the ethically wrong council
Defending that Constitution so hard
I think the jury's still out on whether that's part of his job.
No it fucking isn't because he already took the oath that he will do exactly that.
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:— "I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
The jury might be out as to whether he will be held accountable, but that is literally his job.
I mean, you can't expect him to do something just because he swore to do it, right? Who would ever expect that?
/s
We're approaching a huge turning point in US (and world) history. Either republicans are going to mostly lose for a long time (at least 6 years if I were to guess), maybe until they demonstrate they've changed, OR they are going to succeed at rigging or cancelling elections so they don't have to give up power. I don't think we can expect much in between those two extremes. Makes my stomach queasy as hell to think about.
Which is why everyone should be prepared for them to inflict physical violence upon us, because it's coming either way.
People keep saying stuff like this, but there's basically nothing that will turn me into a violent person outside of defending myself in the moment. I don't own weapons and I don't want to own them. I'd actually probably rather die than fight through that kind of a world.
I'm prepared for insults and scolding but it's true for me and many people. No amount of people saying "buy guns" is going to change me. And I suspect most people are like this.
I'm right there with you, but there are many ways to prepare without resorting to participating. I think the mental preparation is the key, because it's tough to stay home on election day when doing so is akin to putting the barrel against your own head.
TBF, this particular person didn't say buy guy, they said be ready for them to inflict physical violence, and honestly, it's reasonably likely. Maybe not on you, or me, but surely for many and it'll be quite visible.
I am supremely doubtful with all the infighting on the left with the literal child mentality "but they're both bad!!!1!" bothsiders, and the "nothing ever happens" crowd who thinks things will magically just go back to normal that it will be the good outcome.
I mean we've seen a number of positives recently like
- Nancy Pelosi dying retiring (might as well be the same things for old crotcheties like herself)
- Dick Cheney dying (May god rest his soul... in hell... for all eternity)
- Prop 50 passing
- Mamdani winning with a higher percentage of votes than everyone else combined
But that's just not enough.
They are in charge of all the institutions required for a fair or even approximately close to """fair""" by old standards election and there are literally no means for recourse that aren't just straight up violence, which despite the edgy people online's messages, no one actually has the stomach for and is therefore just words used to procrastinate.
That there will be no turning point. Once the mechanisms for fascism have been established, unless an actual revolution happens, the next government will always abuse them.
The Great Switch: How Republicans and Democrats Flipped Ideologies https://www.studentsofhistory.com/...
Rigging and cancelling. There has been no better opportunity.
Bullshit, the POS does not want Adelita Grijalva to be sworn in and 40 million hungry people could lead to an increase in violence, which is exactly what he wants.
This is the play. Look for even more ICE escalation and fishing boat attacks in the coming days as the entire establishment retaliates, not just from tRump but also the MSM from the major L they just took in NY. It's gonna be an ugly few weeks ahead.
Check in on your neighbors and community support networks, and help out locally any way you can as people start to hurt. The coming holiday season is going to be less than holly jolly for everyone. Talk about a war on Christmas...
Release the Epstein files
Why would anyone expect Donald J Trump, convicted felon, to uphold the rule of law? Mother fucker can't even follow it himself lol
It's not really a crisis -- eventually he can go back to using regular toilet paper.
But then when reporters questioned Levitt, she barked back that he IS NOT withholding them and they are being sent out as needed.
Why is it that the president makes some unhinged, mental social media post, then the white house has to translate that for the media? This is absurd and they all need to be removed from office for incompetence, then charged for all the crimes they have committed.
This is absurd and they all need to be removed from office for incompetence, then charged for all the crimes they have committed.
Why do yall keep saying things like this. It feels like there are dozens of people trapped in the thinking that somewhere some other grown ups will be the grown ups for them.
These are the people who have been picked and who have the power.
They won't be arresting themselves, and they wont allow fair and free elections if no one forces the issue.
I do appreciate the Mussolini ending, but...
What I have been saying since Jan 6th:
Bury him alive at the feet of Lincoln, maybe a 20 foot deep shaft, just throw him in, then the concrete.
All that would indicate anything was amiss, would be an engraved gold plate on the floor, on top of the shaft, reading SIC SEMPER TYRANNIS.
... A more patriotic spin on the steretypical real estate developer method of assasination.
Leave him encased in his own disgrace, literally under Lincoln's feet, the only suitable place for a racist insurrectionist mob boss.
And also, the plate is gold... meant to be stepped on, and the engraving wear away with time.
I’d say we should eat him, but he looks gamey as fuck.
There’s another reality where the hungry masses swarm what’s left of the White House like macrophages and destroy the rot inside, demonstrating with great visibility the it can be done, triggering a cascade of fascism FAFO worldwide.
Sadly, we seem to be in the cancer timeline where they take all the resources and starve us all to death instead.
It's a sustainable way to dispose of waste
I keep worrying that he's going to use authoritarianism and a violation of the rule of law to do good things and people will normalize those things as ok, but he seems devoted to never helping anyone who isn't rich or armed.
Can we create a Judicial Guard that is basically a force to enforce court rulings? Like whatever they have now is clearly not working. This happened under Andrew Jackson too, so don't tell me they never saw this coming.
Andrew Jackson, you mean Trumps aspirational role model?
Everyone should have seen this coming. All the writing has been on the wall for near a decade now.
Federal Judges can deputize as many citizens as they need to to enforce their orders.
There is something like 80k highly trained former park rangers that are currently out of work thanks to pedo Trump.
Yes, Andrew Jackson was about 10 generations ago so... Pretty sure they can say they didn't see it coming
you mean the federal marshalls?
There's one judge facing impeachment over standing up to Trump. It's time for the courts to nut up or shut up.
So the message to poor Americans from Trump and the Republicans is "If we can't take away your health insurance assistance, we'll take away your food assistance."
And all so that they can pay for tax breaks for billionaires.
They're psychopaths. They really are - they are, and rather self-evidently, entirely unconstrained by morals, principles, empathy or conscience, so meet the DSM standards.
That don't just need to be voted out of office - they need to be institutionalized.
Can we please for the love of God have a judge actually enforce their order for once? He has shown over and over that he's just going to do what he wants. The rest of us would have to sleep on a jail bench for a few days then still be forced to comply.
That’s the problem with the separation of powers… The executive branch is supposed to be the one that enforces the laws… The judicial branch has very little power to actually enforce their rulings. And Trump is the head of the executive branch.
They might. We never seem to know for sure how our own laws work, but it is a distinct possibility.
Trump doesn't personally fill the SNAP accounts, and Trump doesn't personally manage the money.
Start charging the employees with violating court orders.
That's what happens when the Supreme Court decides that when the president does it, it's not illegal. He does what he wants because the Republican justices decided that The President is above the law. There literally isn't any legal way for a judge to enforce their orders over Trump.
"Hey, guys that work for Trump, punish Trump!"
You can see why it doesn't work so well.
Judges don't work for Trump at least legally speaking.
No, the judges are asking the Executive branch (which Trump is the head of) to do the enforcing. The judges don't have an enforcement arm.
So when is that contempt warrant being issued?
FFS. So glad that SCOTUS gave this douchebag carte blanche.
I wish the US Marshals could just be sent to pick up Taco and give him the same treatment ICE has been giving people...detain him for a few weeks in an undisclosed location.
Hopefully they remember that he'll do it anyway. Deals with him are worthless.
Nothing will happen until they are made to comply with physical force.
Or basically - using the exact same measures of enforcement that would be applicable to a normal citizen.
WITHHOLDING Food Assistance during the Thanksgiving and Christmas season is Bad BUT this ALSO Effects Trans and Brown Kids so it's NOT a Deal Breaker for me or my Family who are going to Starve and my Newborn will probably die!
-LITERALLY every Republican Voter!
I'm so confused. I heard that people won't be getting SNAP benefits. Then I heard that two judges ordered Trump to give them their benefits after all. Then I heard that it's only being partially funded (I guess people are expected to eat only 3-4 days a week). Then I heard Trump is refusing to fund it. Then I heard the Whitehouse said it is being funded despite Trump's social media posts saying otherwise.
So are people getting to eat or aren't they?
Noyes
Hard to say really, I don't think anyone knows, especially Dickwad in chief.
this is rediculous. you guys in congress know that the country cannot remain as a stable and nice place if he is not impeached. you can't just let a president break the law constantly. impeach. impeach. impeach.
HE defies ALL court orders, what's different NOW???
Not even a slap on the wrist for truly un-American behavior.
Overidding his own administration after they agreed that that they can and will do the thing. Fighting in court to avoid doing the thing. Defying a court order to do the thing. All while blaming the democrats for his not doing of the thing.
Go ahead and make more people hungry, their children hungry. Go ahead and find out what desperation breeds.
[PSA voice]
Your government cares. If you are starving and plan to do something desperate, dial our Stephen Miller hotline, 1-800-NSF-RATU. National Guard and CBP members with hot weapons and martial law training are standing by.
Past rich fucks knew that to prevent the masses from raising up against them and their greed they had to give a bone once in a while. These current rich fucks may soon find out why they can't keep squeezing when we outnumber them at least 10:1. Especially outnumbering them with massive weapon stockpiling!
I did not see this coming, did you?
/s for the dumb people
Obviously Trump and his team thinks so.
I'm starting to think he illegally misappropriated those funds and now literally can't use them for their intended purpose cuz he's broke.
He thinks he holds the purse strings. We'll use it to carry his head to the jeu de paume court.
I think Dems should not pass any legislation while the administration ignores the laws that already exist.
The Republicans control both houses of Congress, so Democrats won't be passing any laws for at least a year, if ever.
True but as long as the filibuster exists (and I don't think it will go away), legislation requires democratic consent to go forward.
I don’t get it, with the federal judges saying they need to pay, does he has legal power to ignore court orders
Stop paying your taxes. Withhold that money, until the government starts functioning again and following legal orders.
The agency already said to ignore what he said, they're issuing the half amount, and he was "talking about the future" or some bullshit excuse for his insanity
It's OK let him remove the phillabusta.
It’s funny when you consider those networks could just do the same shit over broadcast tv but choose not to for some reason
Release the Epstein files PEDOnald!!
Yeah, the government needs to be open and functioning for SNAP to work. Right? All i hear is that SNAP isnt going to work until the government is open, and that is up to the democratics to open it? What am I missing?
Ive lived in the hood, and everyone there was selling their SNAP. I did.
Just some 1st hand knowledge for you posers.
P.s. I know some people do legit use though too, I did that too. It just is what it is.
SNAP is delegated to the states and can function in a federal shutdown.
People will find ways to game any welfare system, but that's not a reason to look down on them. We have so much fucking money in this country, and billionaires and corporations can just fly to fucking France to eat dinner on a whim, but criticizing the people in the lowest rungs for the reality they're in... meh
The Democrats are no more keeping the gov't shut down than the Republicans.
Ok... but no... its up to the democrats. What are you even talking about?
I'm talking about a system of government with two entirely separate parties in charge, and one where the Republicans hold most of the actual power, until yesterday, so I don't really follow how it could possibly be just the Dems fault.
What I do follow is that the Republicans lie about every possible thing they can, no matter how big or small, or what the situation is, or what's been proven, like, 35 seconds earlier.
Your first sentence is wrong. There your question is answered. Snap is pre-funded. Meaning when the government is shut down, there is still money for Snap to pay its employees and administer benefits.
Now that you k ow that do you want to rethink your other questions?
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So, it's either healthcare subsidies or food? You can't have both? Even though we had both before Republicans took it all away, so they could give tax breaks to Trump's rich donors?
Fuck these assholes.
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