I love that grafting is real and it works. It always seems like straight scifi to me.

Grafting?

Well, you can just buy apple trees from a nursery, it's what farmers do.

When grafting, do you need to remove any of the original branches? Or will the tree grow two different types of apples? Or some kind of hybrid?

They're also soil, water and other conditions. Doubt a tree planted on a city is going to have the nutrients to give you tasty fruits

Apparently apples were primarily used for making booze right from the start of the country, which does indeed make Johnny Appleseed's story feel rather different.

It's all of Northern Europe, not Finland especially.

It's called "the right to roam" in English.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam

All Nordics, Scotland, and even some more central European countries like Switzerland and Czech Republic have variations of it.

And it is not the reason we don't plant fruit trees in cities. The reason we don't plant fruit trees in cities is theyre messy as fuck.

Just think of how often you see buckets of apples labeled "omenoita ilmaseksi!" in the fall. Because people want to clean up their yards of all the rotten apples. Imagine that on every sidewalk.

Right to Roam is one of those amazing things that outrage the fuck out of Americans.

City planners in the 60s favored male trees for this reason. Then air pollution and a warming climate, mixed with all that extra pollen, gave rise to a huge increase in seasonal allergies in urban areas.

Not just dirty, but the fruit falls on the ground which attracts bugs, rats, etc. that eat the fallen fruit.

What's the town? You can't just promise a bounty of food and not name-drop it.

..when the beast is intelligent enough to operate within civilization, but fails to grasp the basic concept of working together. ..or, when seeing threat everywhere, the concept of taking a nonthreatening stance seems nonsensical.

Too many trees to harvest them all. People won’t buy it when they can pick their own for free. If people see you taking ALL of the fruit, not just what you can use, they will stop you.

That’s the point. Why have we allowed this to become a problem?

There's an issue with Wild Ramps. Very very difficult to grow in a garden to that point that no one does it. So if you want it, you have to harvest from the wild and the places they grow is limited for the same reason they're difficult to garden.

Foragers that find a patch growing either keep the spot a secret and harvest responsibility or it gets shared and over harvested to the point of destroying the patch.

Ramps aren't the same thing as a fruit tree, but I would be worried about randos breaking branches trying to harvest the fruits. You need to pick trees and shrubs that are resistant to that. Raspberry bushes have thorns, so maybe that?

Gonna paint our wagon
gonna paint it good
We ain't braggin'
We're gonna coat that wood!

yeah but if you grow an apple tree with crappy fruit you can saw off branches and graft good branches from a good tree onto it so that it produces good apples, that is how nearly all apple orchards are

I don't know if that is really true. Yes apples will be different to the parent tree but I often eat from roadside apple trees which grew from discarded apple cores and plenty taste fine.

Yes I do have my favourite apple trees. Would be nice to get a press sometime tbh. Free cider! Maybe even calvados?

they are still good for apple pies though.

I know of a golf course which has orchard trees on it and golfers are allowed to eat as much as they want.

So rich people get free food but not poor people 😂

There’s a park in Miami that is populated by fruit trees that people enjoy…and there’s an unspoken rule/law that any fruits that grow over a fence are fair game , just don’t climb my fence to steal my fucking mangos again Lisandra

There's sort of one in the US city I live in. The city manages it and as far as I know they don't care if you go pick a few apples. It is part of a public park that used to be a farm/orchard, then turned into a small golf course, then was partially sold off for housing development and the core farm/orchard area was either given to or bought by the city. It also has a community garden which always has a waitlist for new plots.

That's the weird thing about the US: we do actually have nice things, and communities that want to improve things. We also have suburbia hellscape.

IIRC

You don't recall correctly, and I have no idea where you got that information. Appleseed actually was a successful businessman who bought some land, owning about 1200 acres (~5 km^2^), but by all accounts he was a genuinely good person, and I've never heard what you're saying (and not substantiating) that he did.

Sorry for the YouTube link, if anyone can find it hosted elsewhere let me know I'll update my post.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=aD_Tyj-wbC4

Johnny never really profited. By all accounts he was likely neurodivergent and Apple Trees were his special interest. His labor and efforts to educate others was leveraged by others to snatch land up and proof of improvement to the land for homesteading.

The US government was absolutely at fault for the genocide of indigenous peoples. But Johnny was at worse a useful idiot and at best a roving horticulturist who wasn't very good at owning land.

more like johnny crappleseed amirite?

private, public, and personal property are three different concepts. most anarcho-communists have no objection at all to personal property

Over here it's small mammals and birds that get most of the yard tree fruit.

Let me introduce you to my neighbor Mr. Groundhog.

Ants see it as legitimate salvage and will take you to court over it. Not worth the hassle tbh.

CALL THE COPS!!!!!!

especially if those ants are black

/s it is so sad I have to specify a sarcasm tag here.

It can be.

In the Republic, Plato proposed that any citizen could eat fruit from any tree so long as they were sitting underneath the tree that bore the fruit.

Then let's get rid of money.

Yeah I think the only way around that would be to plant so many trees that the fruit is basically worthless. Probably wouldn't work in places with high population density

This is true and has led to my new system for evaluating economic systems, what does it do with antisocial people.

Capitalism is interesting in that it actually has a plan for them. Let them be greedy little fucks and the system works for a while. Then they fuck everything up and the system collapses, either in a minor correction every couple of years or into fascism.

I would love for something like socialism or communism to work, but there’s this 1% that would pick the trees clean to better their own lot.

I don’t have any answer, but I have come to the conclusion that every economic and social system should only be considered viable if there’s a reasonable and compelling solution for what to do with the guy that wants to pick the fruit tree clean.

By having a society with a culture that encourages empathy

This happens in low trust societies with scarce resources and even scarcer empathy as the result. Also known as "that's why we cant' have nice things". However, not only it's absolutely not universal, I don't believe it's even the majority

Yes, porn released in 2006 on DVD and uploaded to the internet in 2007 ... You are surely very old ...

I like them free

Hahahaha I had a look and it lists the dumpster out back of Aldi near me.

" Dumpster (edible) Season January - December"

Cider production requires very sweet apples, because you're looking for sugar.

Before getting off notoriously racist Nextdoor, I did see a few folks complaining about this, they couldn't harvest their own fruit crops because homeless folks would just come grab it all, usually before it was ripe enough to eat. This kicked off a big battle over who deserved the fruit more. Arguments that would have been better directed at the political leaders here who refuse to provide enough resources for the homeless. When we have to debate whether people can keep the fruit of their own trees, but we aren't building shelters or allocating food at the macro level, then we have fallen deep in to the libertarian trap.

Did you ever try peeing on them?

A long time ago I visited Athens in January, it was relatively warm, but those oranges weren't sour as they suppose to be, they were bitter, which I actually love. They are amazing at giving you this jolt of energy when you walk the mountains.