Does anyone know the reason behind hating on the French being a thing? Is this some US import?
I'm Polish writing this from a French instance but I'm asking without duress /s
Does anyone know the reason behind hating on the French being a thing? Is this some US import?
I'm Polish writing this from a French instance but I'm asking without duress /s
Anti-French sentiment is new to USA from the 20th century, portraying the French as weak and needing rescue was a popular approach for those against war in Europe.
Historically France has been one of the best of friends to the USA.
Hating the French has typically been a European thing (and very English) because of the whole France dominating Europe time and again over the millennia.
Also this review was probably not posted by an american due to the spelling of "favourite".
British also hate the French because of hundreds of years of war. Canadians also hate the French because we're basically Temu-British, and also because we hate Quebec.
Only slightly tongue in cheek.
Checks notes Nope. Must be a commie French spelling.
There are historical anti-French sentiments, but I honestly don't think this is related to them much. I think it's just a meme gen Z decided to run with because they thought it was funny. Like the birds aren't real thing.
Only 20th century kids will remember …
Dates from when France refused to be complicit in invading Iraq in 2003. A big anti-french movement was pushed by American conservatives then, and it just became an internet thing afterwards.
However the French are not really liked outside due to French tourists being arrogant and always saying things (usually food) are better in France.
Making fun of the french is older than 2003
*2003
But yeah, do a web search for "freedom fries" and you'll find this info. Crazy how easily we collectively forget this stuff, but I remember it all. Makes me feel insane
Making fun of [country] usually fates back to [country] existence.
But the current wave and method dates from 2003.
This is the real answer. I have a chud 3%er man-child for a father-in-law, and he legitimately hates the French, can't abide hearing the language, calls French fries "freedom fries", the whole thing. He doesn't even even know why though, it's 100% virtue-signaling conformity with US American chud culture. The same man won't buy meat labeled as "Halal". (Though he will buy/eat it if he doesn't notice the label.) Like I said, utter child.
Freedom fries? Wouldn't touch any of that muck. Good old Empire chips for me!
Dumps pallet of Empire chips into Boston harbour
France refused to be complicit in invading Iraq in 2003
France... Based?
Toujours et toujours mes copains 🌍🧑🚀🔫🧑🚀
Fr*nch laughter
They decided not to invade somewhere once, I'm not going to call them based until they keep it up
I mean they are doing better than the US...
Dates back further than that, De Gaulle wanted to fix 'French Indochina' himself and was none too pleased when US and Australia interdicted in Vietnam.
He cut off parts for our Mirage 3's.
Cancelling the French Submarine contract was the right call to make, even if we made the wrong choice in what to buy straight afterward.
Paris is basically an overpriced amusement park staffed by surly employees.
Paris as a whole no, but the touristic parts definitely.
amusement park staffed by surly employees.
This is a common remark by tourists, and funny enough, people who've looked into it have concluded that Parisians act that way towards tourists precisely because they don't define themselves as employees who are only here to serve tourists. They'll get to you when they get to you, they'll speak to you like normal people and not servants, they don't actually care about the quality of whatever product you're getting because they didn't make it and they're not involved in the resolution of your problem, and they'll send you off if you get pissy about it. They are not the staff of your amusement park.
This is a Canadian thing, Quebequois are stereotyped as being incredibly rude and entitled as a general rule, and are constantly trying to force the rest of Canada to adopt their heritage/culture. The dislike of quebequois outside of Quebec kind of merged with Quebec's hatred of French (for not being French enough) and now all of Canada enjoys a good "French are terrible people" meme.
I've only visited Montreal twice, but both times everyone was super nice. (My baseline is NYC)
I think some people band wagon jumped onto the Simpsons bit about cheese eating surrender monkeys, and some Republicans followed their crowd during the bush era.
For most people I just read it as a "look at me I'm part of the in-group" sad pandering, like when people would repeat "EPIC BACON" or other low grade memes. They just want to feel like part of the group.
Canadians think it’s funny because of that; Americans because of W-era anti-French sentiment combined with antielitism and a historical association of French products with luxury; Germans and English people (at least, very possibly more of Europe) think it’s funny because of their countries’ constant historical antagonism; and people in former colonies think it’s funny because fuck the fr*nch.
Obviously not all of them, but I think it just hits for a lot of people.
Do Canadians think Letterkenny is funny? I checked out from them at some point but I liked it for a long time. Never watched any spinoffs
Oh, I’m not Canadian, I was just going off of the parent comment.
As a filthy American, it's just because of propaganda on this side of the pond. Union busters successfully portrayed the French as lazy and entitled because of all the strikes/protests over workers' rights. Gasp! Oh the horror!
That's genuinely it. And the fact that Americans are fucking stupid and eat that shit up, because our dumbass society romanticizes "working hard" and "pulling yourself up by your bootstraps." My father-in-law just the other day made a joke about the French being lazy after I said something along the lines of "we could learn a thing or two from the French on how to protest."
Idiots.
I have never really seen much of hate. The only things I have seen my entire life is the stereotype that french people are rude and bitter. I have no clue how true it is since ive never traveled or seen a ton of french people. The closest would be people from Canada and they are all very nice. I think the biggest example I have seen is they hate US tourists and treat them with a cold shoulder. Considering how rude and entitled a lot of US tourists can be I probably don't blame them if it is true.
From what I've heard, it's a combination of valuing directness and authenticity, and ironically politeness. Which means one, being very straightforward doesn't feel rude to them like it may in other cultures; two, inauthentic behavior (e.g. excessive smiling or a "fake" personality) is off-putting to them; and three, if you make a faux pas like not beginning an interaction with a greeting, you're perceived as the rude one and they're just reacting in kind. Again, from what I've heard, this is the worst in touristy places where French natives are surrounded by people who don't observe French customs.
English surely? The French are ours to fight. We had to fight Hitler when he had a go at them.
Americans do it because "cheese eating surrender monkey" is funny, and acknowledging the sacrifice and fierceness of the French and how we've relied on them in nearly every conflict is not funny. Therefore Americans do the latter a hell of a lot less than the former.
Edit: I know there is a lot of typos/mistakes... too lazy to correct them
French person talking, i think the hate for french people is very occidental. Japanese for example loves the french culture and they have a lot of restaurants/stores trying to serve french food or clothes with french words on them adapted to japanese standards.
For the hate i think it has multiple factors:
For america it is the Marechal Petain surrendering to the nazis during ww2, and our refusal to invade irak. Making us "surrender monkeys", which is very funny when you look at france war history.
For england: it is the victory of the hundred years war and the countless other wars we had with them.
Germany has always been our ennemy since the fall of the roman empire.
For Africa and particularly algeria and congo: it is the severe repression against insurgencies in our colonies, government manipulation, our implication in salvery, robbery of natural ressources and cultural assets, and forced conversion to christianity/"good maners" of indigenous populations, all leading to the rise of multiple ultra radicalized groups and terrorism.
So for every country we are either the bastards who sold themselves to the nazis or the bloodthirsty war criminals who are here only to kill, rape, and steal.
Added the fact that Paris is one of the most visited cities in the world making it also one of france's rudest and unwelcoming cities for tourists, And the cultural differences we have with english speaking countries in terms of politeness/expected behaviour, and in the way we are choosing friends/partners. Makes us the perfect hate target.
But i think if you visit France and go to more remote places and genuinely try to interract with people/try to speak french (altough we will immediatly switch to english, we like when you try and it is seen as a sign of respect) you can find very warm welcoming people. Just dont expect to become BFF immediatly or feeling as part of the family, it does not work like that, and it will be very akward for everyone.
Seems to me to have always been a meme, even before the internet. I suspect it's some amount of shit-talking going to an extreme, propaganda that has long just turned into an incomprehensible slush, or it's adopted from other countries' hate of france being treated as self-explanatory and just becoming a given.
Very rarely is the hate for france real, it's pretty much just a joke anytime it's been used while I've been in earshot.
The joke template is: Anyone: *says something disparaging about the french that is either very vague or about them being snobbish or quick to surrender*
Everyone else: *agrees without question or elaboration.*
I'm sure some portion of the US genuinely does view the French in a bad light, but I've yet to meet them.
As an American, I think a lot of our country really does see the french poorly and fitting for the meme I see it often tied to anti art and anti sophistication attitudes. I suspect it's partly because enough people are so insufferably pro French that it's a common annoyance.
Ultimately though I do think we're too hard on them by quite a bit. As Americans we ought to be more fair to them as our first allies and our long standing friends and ideological compatriots. Also a lot of our culture was influenced by them as several of our founders were insufferable francophiles.
Also the joke is stale and anti french sentiments at least in the US are partly tied to their resistance to the Iraq war.
As someone who's does work that get app reviews, luckily I haven't had to deal with joke reviews, but it really sucks when there's some very temporary problem for a day or two, and suddenly you start getting a bunch of 'it used to be good but xyz is broken' reviews that never go away because when its fixed, they never come back to update it.
Please be a responsible reviewer and if its something temporary, update your review! Ive even replied and let them know its fixed and it stays forever.
I think it can be a life lesson about fixing issues ahead of time. Users may just want to go about their needs, and aren’t volunteering to keep checking back after periodic updates to see if things are better.
I’ve had times where I report an issue, a developer (or release note) claims it’s fixed, I try it out, and the issue is still there. That can be very different from a direct communication asking me to try out a beta release that might’ve fixed it. In one of those scenarios I’m asked to QA test, in the other I’m implicitly forced to be one.
Are you seriously saying write flawless software year after year after year? It doesn't exist.
Take a closer look at the review. “It used to be good but XYZ is broken” - means at one point things worked relatively well. The demand for progress might have been the thing that broke it.
Quite often, I think the balance goes a bit too much in the wrong way towards making things newfangled at the expense of breaking standard functionality. Sometimes being lazy about a project is the better approach.
These sorts of reviews hardly ever get seen, they get pushed down by well rated reviews. This game has over 100,803 reviews.
100% dickish but you can either get out of sorts from these sorts of things or recognise that very few will see it and move on with life.
Steams review system is great in that spikes etc get smoothed out over time and you have to remember for every silly bad review I am sure there are silly positive reviews too.
Just been on holiday to rural France with very little French. Everyone was lovely, and although few people had much English either, we managed to get by fine just meeting in the middle.
Anti French sentiment is stupid as hell.
nice try, macron
Yes. People in Paris can be a bit gruff, for the same reason people in New York can, it's a massive city that gets the most tourists of anywhere in the whole world, there are constantly millions of things competing for attention. But IMO even there people are pretty nice if you make a little effort, and elsewhere they're truly lovely.
That was also my experience. I've been 3 times and never had a problem with French people anywhere I've been in the country (not just Paris). They seem to really appreciate it if you made an effort to respect their language and culture and will work with you if you can't speak the whole conversation in French.
Oof someone can't take a joke well
Proliferation of shitty stereotypes makes jokes a bit shit.
I mean, not being able to take a joke proliferates shit stereotypes far worse than anything we could say
Y’know what? “Demographic bad” is too lazy and witless to count as a joke anymore. Build some complexity. Poke fun at current events. You think differently when it’s about you.
“You know what’s the problem with white people? They’re all fucking stupid redneck trash fucking their cousins!”
you all hate-filled mobsters mindlessly repeat english anti-french propaganda
Yeah, ultimately the french can be annoying with the idealization of their culture, but the anti french jokes drown even that out. I'm not a francophile by any means, but part of what I liked about Expedition was how french it was. Hell it opened me up to the possibility that I may be interested in more french media.
Yeah turns out for all people mock emo french art, it turns out that at least sometimes I really like it, especially since as I've gotten older I've grown more and more appreciative of media that's more artistic.
Expedition 33 makes me want to contemplate some Claude Cahun photos over a cigarette before having some artisinal cheese, a good crusty bread, and a glass of wine.
Their language still makes the Dutch look good though.
I think the fact that it was completely unprompted makes it especially trashy as a way to behave.
Both OP and the reviewer seem to want to indulge in bigotry to make themselves feel superior, and think if they pick a target that’s not on the classic protected lists, they won’t get called on it. But it’s still the same ugly activity even when it’s not against a marginalised group.
Excusé moí it's Amę Rican anti-Franch propaganda information
I got filtered by the combat in E33. I think the Mario RPG games have the right of it by only having one extra input for attacks. Going the Legend of Dragoon method of multiple inputs for every single attack and dodge is too tedious for me.
I never got very good at it. I feel like they were worried that not enough people enjoy turn-based combat these days and were trying to spice it up.
I love turn-based combat though and think it would've been just fine without the additions.
Well for me it's the other way around. I can't stand turn based combat, it's an instant turn-off, but E33 spiced it up just enough for me to enjoy it
Never enjoyed turn based combat either, but I've been playing baldur's gate 3 and the story has pulled me through. I've actually started enjoying the combat.
I seem to only really like turn based when its simultaneous. Like paradox games, CDDA and dwarf fortress.
Same for BG3, but I ended up liking the combat a lot. Going back to Pillars of Eternity afterwards felt bad 😅 but it's a different kind of turn-based altogether, with positioning being extremely important
I'm sure you're not alone in that, which means they knew what they were doing and probably made the right choice.
Ironically, you saying E33 has Legend of Dragoon style timing attacks just bumped it to the top of my "how have I not gotten around to playing this yet" list. LoD is one of my top RPGs of all time, and we are either blessed or cursed that we have not gotten a remake of it.
Eh... even 26 years ago the gimmick wore thin by the time you reached disc 3. A major distinction between the two is E33 kind of lives and dies by how well you dodge and parry. Unless you specifically build your party with huge HP pools (making every fight a long slog) there are a lot of attacks that just one-shot if they connect. This means in addition to timing inputs for all your own attacks you have to learn input timings for bosses and countless trash mobs.
A lot of them do that Elden Ring thing where the animators can't help but sprinkle in some feints to trip you up.
I found the feints way more annoying in E33 than in Elden Ring. In ER they're mostly found in bosses, but in E33 they're pretty much everywhere, so even trash mobs can be tedious
sprinkle in some feints to trip you up.
That sounds awesome~
The DLC just cranks it up to a million. For full goof fun - I mean, for the challenge.
Yep, it's fine for bossfights but ugh did it get tedious for every trash mob fight.
Also, accessibility should provide an option to 'auto-win' these. As a person with limited motor skills it was a huge pain.
Yeah, age has slowed my reaction time and I've not played this game yet because I'm not at all sure I'm up to it. Shame, because it sounds great.
Well that's good to hear, thanks. Yes I'm probably going to give it a go at some point, when it's on sale. The trailer and the soundtrack in the trailer has already kinda sold it to me. I'm just worried it'll be too frustrating for me - I'm in my 50s so my reaction times aren't what they were, plus my hands are wrecked. But I do want the experience.
I'm surprised that story mode didn't help you that much. In my playtroughs it felt like the enemies did barely any damage on that difficulty even if I missed the qtes.
I didn't find it that difficult tbh, unless you really want it to be. A couple bosses were a bit much but it's mostly a well balanced game. There's also a story level difficulty where you don't really need to worry about reflexes at all. At least that was my experience.
I usually play on expert now that I'm good at it, and I'm far from a pro gamer. I'm also in my 40s, so not super young or anything.
Overall it's one the best RPGs I've played in a very long time. Imo it's at least worth a shot with the 2 hour refund window on steam (or 30 days on gog).
That's actually why I love the combat. It was super addictive to me and it wouldn't be the same if it were like Mario RPG where there aren't really consequences for missing the timing, other than doing slightly less damage or taking slightly more.
I've played my fair share of turn based RPGs and I really appreciate the interactive element of e33. There's tons of slower paced RPGs out there already so it felt new, even though it's been done before.
I don't understand the upvotes here. This is fucking obnoxious to the developers. Nor do I understand why a French Captain is posting this here. I thought he liked his country.
Of the serial rapist, child trafficking, mass murderer? Yeah, you're goddamn right I am. Why am I a hypocrite?
You what

Did you like the old story driven semi open world turn based combat games it reminds so many people of?
dang, I'm sure that must have been disappointing then after all the hype.
The gameplay is nothing particularly mind-blowing. The storyline is though.
The gameplay was just a refined, interesting, and thematically appropriate version of turn based rpg combat. It was good, but it wasn't something I'd recommend the game for. The story was absolutely incredible. The art was gorgeous. And more than anything I think the game really excels in how it all came together. It's got ludonarrative sychrony, the art (both visual and musical) consistently added to the story, the voice acting (at least in English) was top notch. It created an immersive experience that made the story and world building shine and left me constantly feeling strongly and asking questions.
All said, it's an art game and if someone doesn't like art games it's not for them. I'm more likely to recommend it to a cinema nerd than someone who's only really into competitive gaming.
It entirely depends on what you wanted out of the game.
I'm Australian and since the 90s insulting The French, Italians, English, Scottish and Germans was an every day thing
As an Australian. I don't think I'm better than any people who work hard and are caring for others.
The French (99% Parisians) seem to think that their language is superior and they are superior and that for me makes me want to insult and annoy them.
I feel the same towards many other countries that feel they are superior without actually being able to be superior. Just get in your own lane and behave.. Stop acting like you're better than everyone else when you constantly need help from other countries.
I'm thinking of at least two other European countries when I said that last part.
Don't forget French Canadians. Its rare a colonizer is justified in looking down their nose at another colonizer. After all, the only thing worse than a colonizer is a double colonizer.
Well you certainly have me there mate. Drunkenly posting my opinions is why I got banned on Reddit.
I guess I didn't learn my lesson.
Just like the French didn't learn their lesson ;)
Now excuse me while I go back to go quoting Futurama and the Simpsons endlessly and making fun of myself.
I once bought a second hand cabinet from a young French couple who were moving back to France. Cabinet was heavier than I expected and I was planning to take it back by bus. The bus stop at the beginning was like 5mins away which would have been very difficult to go all the way by myself and the guy offered to help me carry it all the way to the bus stop, without me even asking. The stop where I get off was almost next to my flat so that was fine. That French guy lives rent free in my head and is the reason I can't talk shit about French people any more. It was also a lesson on power of simple good deeds for me.
Okay, a few things, "French" is a nationality, the nation of France is a country with several different and very distinct cultures and ethnicities. Also the origin of this meme is most likely BRITISH and not American, both from the spelling and also because hating the French with no actual leg to stand on is a very British thing. The rivalry goes back MANY centuries and stems from so many things including the mutually incestuous royal families competing over Empires and more recently from how France shook down during WW2 (far more complicated than usually portrayed in British humour) and just from competing in sports. Some anti French sentiment exists in the US of course, partly from WW2 and "War on Terror" propaganda but mostly because of people growing up on British comedy especially Monty Python and Top Gear and parroting things and also because Paris is notoriously unwelcoming to tourists and for many those two things are their only real experience. To everyone, lighten up, and not everything, especially hating on the French in a nonsense and silly fashion, is about America.
Just to note, in the UK it's specifically the English who have a historical fascination with shitting on the French. Scotland has the Auld Alliance with France so you get far less of it north of the border.
The rivalry goes back nearly 1000 years, with William the Conqueror's takeover, after which he almost immediately went back to war with France. We say frogs, they say rosbif. We say Agincourt, they say Dunkirk. There's a mutual history that makes it an actual rivalry rather than just randomly hating on the French.
Another example of why Steam reviews are worthless.
No, there is a unique culture of acceptance to these bullshit lying “joke” reviews on steam specifically. They even added a “this is funny” button to encourage it instead of a button to report the “joke” reviews and ban those accounts from ever reviewing again.
I really loved it, and I'm not a big story-game person.
not even funny as a troll. your typical eric rohmer film has more charisma than the entirety of the east coast.
imagine living in america and criticizing a culture that doesn't demonize sexuality and leisure and thinking you're on some kind of high ground if you're not a mormon.
That wasn't posted by an American. We don't spell favorite with a "u" and there are way too many big words.
My dude, this is VERY obviously written by a Brit, making fun of the French without an actual leg to stand on is famously British culture.
This post lands kind of flat, lacks charisma.
Hating the French and anyone who obnoxiously insists on using their dying language for no reason is the only unfounded hate I can condone, because jokes at the expense of the French by Monty Python are too funny not to play along.
Stop with the damn stereotype of "French bad", even as a joke. The only objectively bad thing about the French I've heard was specifically about the locals of Paris being annoyed at foreigners' pronunciation and rhythm of their language.
I’m Australian so hating the British is a core part of our culture steeped in a couple of centuries tradition and I’m not going to let a god damned Yank tell them they can’t practice their own cultural traditions
The nice thing about Paris is most of France isn't there.
They committed state-sponsored terrorism on my home country, and Mitterrand (the president at the time) personally authorised it. In response to their terrorist agents being caught they threatened to cut off trade access to Europe for New Zealand.
Blame Mitterrand, not people that just so happened to be housed in that region.
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