I'm glad I'm not alone in this joy

I love looking at my NixOs rebuild result (using nh) and seeing -50MB.

... Then I remember I'm on nixos and it doesn't matter much

And the system gets quicker!

That just runs apt and prints it nicely to you

The key here IMO is that you decide both when and how.
No such option with Windows, but if you like the GUI and are used to using that, I don't see why anyone of their right mind would have a problem with that.

Personally I prefer to open a terminal and press the up key so I don't have to type the command again, it takes 30 times until I get to the correct command, so it's clearly slower, but hey we all have our little quirks.

Its all the same under the hood.

I had the problem that all old kernel images were kept when updating through the GUI updater. This led to my root partition getting fuller and fuller*. I needed some really obscure commands to remove those old images, since then I only update via terminal. I guess it was some kind of bug, but for me as a standard user it was a really serious one.

*I need to say I made the mistake of splitting root and home and giving the root partition only 40 GB, because I read internet advices about needing to change my distro frequently, turns out that was not the case

That's a front end on apt. You're just making it pretty.

I like a GUI updater but the Plasma Discover one is so shit, it errors almost every time. I keep it for updating the odd flatpak, etc, but I always have to update from the terminal first.

As a long time windows user who has switched to CachyOS, I agree, even get notifications about updates

And I love the pacman eating the progress bar on arch terminal.

Why anyone will hate that?

same for me

Shelly is amazing for Arch. Both CLI and GUI.

The thing with Linux is that it's 100% freedom. It lets you do whatever you want with it, there's plenty of tools that facilitate customization and management.

By contrast, when I use windows at work I often find it won't allow me to do what I want.

"What do you mean that's not possible?"

I agree, however, rather than individual participation, I would say Linux represents a victory for the collective spirit. Yes Linus has spearheaded the kernal development for years, but without all the other contributors sacrificing countless hours, Linux wouldn't be nearly as successful (and ubiquitous) as it is. Linux demonstrates that we, as a community, can come together to work towards something we know is good and right, without the drive of monetary gain or social recognition, but just because it's fun, or fills a need, or helps us learn.

That's one of the biggest reasons I think Linux is so evangelised on Lemmy specifically: because it epitomises the power of collective altruism in a world increasingly dominated by corporate greed.

Couldn't have said it better.

On mobile we got the different Linux Phone OSes, unfortunately none of them come pre-installed (not counting the obsolete phones from Pine or Librem) and they're still very much beta software. But they too get consistently better, both Plasma Mobile and Phosh make great strides.

Beautifully put.

More individual participation, less corporate involvement, zero corporate ownership of essentials.

I've got some bad news about Linux then, the main contibutors are companies, and the infrastructure is owned by them.

It's not individuals who paying Linus $1.5 million a year (Under "Compensation").

One fun thing about Linux is that you always learn

Alias na="Sudo nala upgrade -y"

Does update and upgrade with parallel downloads from fast high bandwidth repos and pretty colors 😍

Good to know. I just have a script that does like everything in order, but I could save a line by doing that instead of both beinv separate commands.

Promise: "Linux is cool! You can update and just use your running system while it handles it, then restart when you feel like it!"

Reality: "Heehee Linux is cool...wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka wakka..."

.....C• • • • •

You know, if some one created an in-terminal Pac-Man game to play during the update, that’d be awesome.

Zypper is the Gen X of package managers.

My boy zypper. Was hoping someone else liked this flavour.

eeehhh some of the largest contributors are sponsored by mega corps and governments, but yeah the leading ethos is FOSS

The recent attacks have been against the AUR.
Which pacman doesn't reference.

In terms of sneaking in malicious code, that's possible in the official repos of all operating systems, including the windows store.

The actual meme speaks more to the fact that windows update is enforced unless you jump through enormous flaming hoops, and it will measurably make your already running system worse as it forces the installation of things the user wouldn't want (ie copilot) or removes functionality they do (classic control panel).

But you know... I use Arch btw.

Sometimes it feels more like in front of the bus, and running pacman just puts you a little further up the road

considering the malware attacks if it's yay or paru it should probably be a d2

Add a pacman hook to create a btrfs snapshot before ever update, if anything stupid breaks, rollback to the snapshot and wait a week for it to get fixed before trying again.

Add a pacman hook to create a btrfs snapshot before every update, if anything stupid breaks, rollback to the snapshot and wait a week for it to get fixed before trying again.

brh rebase image:version

image can be any in the bazzite universe or one you pinned to save because it specifically works really well for whatever reason

Based Void enjoyer

Ask not how worthy an idol Linux is, but what you can do to give back to free software.

Linus was openly not-anti-slop recently, so I don't have enormous amount of hopes.

The main enshitification I've seen has been when a project tries to financially support itself via a supported version or enterprise version. More often than not new features get developed for the paid version and the open source version becomes the community version. New features then never got put in to the community version, or it remains in a crippled state

I have a windows 10 install next to my Linux and I have to agree updates are awful. It might be windows 10 but 3 restarts for an update and the system runs like crap until the update installs. I removed a windows 11 install a while ago because I only used it to play 2 games and it might sit dormant for a few days or longer and when I got back into windows it was unusable until the updates finished. I am running 64GB of ddr4 and a 16 core amd ryzen 9 with a 16GB 9070xt. Hardware is not the issue in my opinion.

Winget is really not that good. It's better than nothing, but scoop is much better and deals with autoupdating much better.

Winget is an official tool. Chocolately and uniget are 3rd party

Back when I used Windows 10 and 11 for a bit, I did indeed use winget

It was… Okay. I did find it is quicker and often just safer to install programs with it, no problems there, but installing programs unattended? I couldn’t do it reliably

A few problems that occurred was: requesting admin permission at beginning or near the end of the program’s install, uncommonly some programs would just… Fail to install, and programs like Unity would automatically update to the latest which absolutely what should not just happen, even if it is managed by Unity Hub (A workaround is pinning Unity which worked well). I just couldn’t update my programs while i do something else which is what i usually do, it felt like the whole “waiting for Windows to update” for package managers

Updating programs can be done, but I found myself waiting around the computer instead of trusting it to do it successfully

I'm not familiar. What misdeeds have the Ubuntu folks been up to?

It's probably heavily dependent on distro, using Bazzite right now and the only bug I've run into recently is ProtonPlus not downloading Steam Tinker Launcher because "yad >= 7.2" for some fucken reason. Let me download it fucker I want to use Vortex to download my fuckoff NV modpack.

I certainly have a guess

Use a Ubuntu or Fedora based distro and only use the GUI upgrader which is designed to avoid breakage.

I was wondering why is there no upgrade. Turned out there’s no update!

or KDE. :p Did you see how they butchered kcalc over recent years?

I recently set up a local Flatpak cache on my home server, very much recommended if you have more than one Linux install with Flatpak in your household. Was pretty easy, too.

Seriously. I must use my computer way out of the norm that most Linux people do. I don't even like updating my desktop Fedora 44 because at times, the update will mess up a workflow that I finally got going on there. Small shit that adds up.

Recent update apparently changed how Steam and my Proton Mail Bridge can start at login. I can start them normally through the icon on the task bar, but no more autostart. Why???

I guess I'll need to spend some time figuring that out this weekend...

You manually run that instead of letting it automatically stage updates in the background?

-Syu is the default for yay, you can omit it

$ paru -Syuu, correct (extra u at the end)?

For me the legacy nVidia driver put on the AUR is a no-go. Even before that, non-fiber internet added friction to updating especially when I forgot about it for a while (or when manual intervention is needed).

I installed Void Linux on an old machine, I think updating might be more forgiving but the packaging system isn't quite as good* and for some things I'd have to rely on appimages (I don't want redundancy from Flatpak etc).

Tumbleweed/Slowroll might be a better answer if I didn't hate Patterns.

* after adding some applications, already had to manually install missing dependencies, optional dependencies is also not handled

I think this is where Linux shines.

You already CAN find enshittification versions of Linux.

And you can find lightweight ones, security ones, ones for servers, one that's very user friendly, etc.

Enshittification is a function of capitalism, not popularity. Unless every Linux distro gets paywalled, there is no profit incentive that would drive Linux to enshittification. The kinds of people who currently work on it for no pay will continue to work on it.

Classic enshittification of the kernel is kinda impossible while the Benevolent Dictator is around. And as for userland, we've already gone through many different enshittification attempts... Red Hat/CentOS, Poetterware, Snaps, etc... and we still survive.

Other than burnout and such, it's very hard to kill free software that's actively used by a lot of different enthusiasts.

I'm pretty sure that's just capitalism.

Have you tried them in the past 5 years or so? Apt has given me WAY more issues than pacman has.

(Also everyone secretly uses yay or paru instead)

or

nh os switch .

if you're feeling fancy

I know the advantage of nixos is super easy deployment but for a single desktop what advantage does it offer? I am an atomic fedora user myself.