..and this is why roght to repair laws need to be enforced heavily. If your stupid joystick is broken on purpose so you can squeeze $100 out of me every 6 months, i have a right and duty to correct it for myself and anyone who asks.

(But fr tho stop buying nintendo products. They absolutely arent worth the moral weight and consumer disrespect. Pokemon is an incredibly lazy rpg design meant to sell toys)

The way I see it, a person can print a company's IP as long as they're not trying to sell it.

What are they going to do, sue me for drawing a picture of mario or making kirby out of clay? Printing for personal use is the same concept.

I could see them going after 3D model designers who post stls of their IP. Personally I think if they're not selling it then it shouldn't be an issue, but I don't think the companies would see it that way, and I don't know exactly where the law stands on it.

This is why they can't simply pass IP laws, but they're sneaking it in with the pretense of "protecting the children" (when most school shootings happen with guns that were legally obtained by the shooter or their parents...)

There is a single light of science and to brighten it anywhere is to brighten it everywhere.

mine the older 2.1 design and scratch built. Hard to say because a lot of parts were grabbed from other projects

If I were starting today I’d just get a kit. The LDO kit is the standard and high quality but pricier.1500 for 350mm. There’s the formbot kit as well, much cheaper (800 for 350mm) but not as nice quality wise. Never used one of these kits but that’s the general sentiment on the forums now. West3d also has a kit builder, this is def the most expensive option but if you plan to install a bunch of mods this can save you some money buy bundling them at the beginning (but honestly if you’ve never built one before I’d start with the vanilla build)

Time wise it’s not too bad, sort of. I would say if you’re a tinkerer type person you could build it in a weekend, especially with a kit. However, you may spend quite a bit more time calibrating everything. Like the time from a box of shit to actually printing isn’t terrible, but the time to getting a beautiful dimensionally accurate print is potentially a bit more involved, especially before you get it printing fast (if you pursue such a thing)

That’s honestly the primary reason Bambu is destroying in terms of sales right now (plus aggressive marketing). They are shit bc they are consumer hostile, but they do make good equipment. You can get a solid print right from the first startup. You can with voron too tbf but it’s like comparing an iphone to desktop Linux: the former is easier to setup and has a lot of slick features for use, the latter can replicate almost all of them but takes a bit more time to get going (and because it’s open design can be taken much further once you get the hang of it, vorons can get amazing quality at incredibly fast speeds though tbf some of those mods to get truly fast can be pricy)

Alternatively look on their discord or somewhere like Craigslist/facebook marketplace. I see people sell LDO builds for like 6-900 a lot. Resale is tough because once built it’s a nightmare to ship so they drop value like crazy and then you can (hopefully) get one that’s at least printing decently

every neighborhood has a few people who can build you a car from scratch in a day

How many cars does the city demand be produced each day? Cause my own city of Houston sees over 380k new cars sold annually.

the city already has several thousand car factories that don’t require registration

Itty bitty ones, sure. And they take weeks to produce a working vehicle, of substandard quality.

there’s no mechanism to enforce registration

Until you get pulled over

the cost of building a new car is a few hundred dollars

A plastic car that can go maybe a few hundred miles before falling apart if it's made perfectly.

Building a 3d printer from a kit is different from building one from scratch

You can build cars from a kit, too. But I'm not going to do that when I can buy a used Corolla or KIA for couch cushion money and drive it into the ground over the next fifteen years.

Do you think California is the first and last place this will happen?

https://www.pbs.org/...

What happens is they do defer to the expert. The expert is a plant by which ever lobbiest chose to sponsor the bill. I'm had correspondences with my government about fields I am intimately familiar with and their arguments about technical feasibility were given to them by their Big4 "expert". The problem is I know the field well enough to understand their expert is simply giving the opinion they were paid to give and the technical feasibility of the proposals take a back seat to the political desire of the people pushing the proposal.

Someone's "lobbying" them to make this decision.

I don't think they know what it's designed to stop. Seems like this is pretty clearly just a piece of conspicuous legislation passed just to make it look like they're actually doing something.

Well, no. It'll create a whole new class of crimes.

Then why did you bring other crimes up? Sorry. But you have no idea how you sound. You directly said "there are these crimes, why are we wasting laws on these other crimes" and wonder why I responded as I did.

Whataboutism at it's finest. Two crimes can happen at the same time. Just because one crime "matters" and the others don't according to you, doesn't mean that they both shouldn't be enforced or examined.

You can get a mini mill and do a CNC conversion, I know a few guys that have done just that. A few stepper motors and a little code gets you a long way.

No really what it is is it's what people want it's what people like it's what people enjoy so of course they're being made. You have to remember only a small percentage of people own 3D printers but a lot of people really like the stuff that's made from 3D printers. So they're not being marketed towards you they're being marketed towards everybody else. And they sell really well.

Not all illegal activities are morally wrong.

I agree, yet people get caught. This makes simply authorizes that, which I'm not inherently against. All I'm saying is, of all the things in the world, this isn't the absolute worst thing that could happen and at least it isn't (currently) being used by that state as a pretext for even more surveillance.

It isn't more illegal to shoot people with a plastic gun; if anything it's less illegal because you don't need to lie on a form about your status to obtain a gun.

I think your arguing with what you think I'm saying instead if what I actually said. I believe we're in agreement with different nuanced takes that affect that agreement. I agree this is dumb and a bad precedent that will likely be ineffective (just like virtually all other punitive preventative measures). I still think it could be worse.

TL; DR: this law to me feels more along the lines of "let's stop giving away guns at candy shops" than "let's completely fix everything all at once" It's sober minded and an attempt at appeasing their constituency. I disagree with it, but it could be worse and probably won't hurt.

And some ... as well as a map to ...'s house, please?

Exactly. They've got another thing coming if they think I'm going to disarm while these fascist fuckers are acting up.

No, the issue is about freedom and fighting authoritarianism

This law will not do anything about guns. It will allow the government and private companies to see and control your 3D printer.

That has been around for decades.

TIL! Then it's interesting that it didn't get bigger faster, since the idea of locking people into your product isn't new. Like, Dell could have been doing in 2000 what Samsung is now with it's phones, and Linux would have been dead in the water.

Edit: Oh right, there weren't any SoCs yet, at least at full scale. At the very least, you could always get out your probes and flash the ROM that way.

Should we ban printers because you may print a news article without buying the rights? Should we ban pen and paper because you could use it to infringe on a trademark by drawing it?

Of course, history is over, and all governments and corporations are 100% trustworthy. We don't need to consider that opportunity for evil can't actually be eliminated, just moved around. /s

I'll have to double check this.. usually weapons manufacturing is pretty well controlled. Then again there's always a way. Like no one thought that fertilizer sales should be monitored until the Unabomber.

I don't disagree with you.

But this type of law is the exact same as the age verification laws.

There's a plausible sounding risk, but if you dig deeper it's always the government reducing freedoms in a way that doesn't really help the stated goals.

325 3d printed guns were seized in 2024. That's a drop in the ocean.

You can't use a 3D printer to make a working gun and it isn't possible to distinguish a gun from anything else.

This is security theater that hurts the general public and small businesses while giving yet more power to the wealthy

Won't they just use his father's gun? That's what they always seem to do.

From what I've seen, 3d printing a firearm isn't worth the trouble. Especially when you can get 80%'s and finish them with a drill press.

That kind of metal working? Just to make a dogshit pipe gun that is mostly likely unsafe for the user too? Really doesn't require a ton of skill. Probably more than using a user friendly 3D printer but probably less than a fiddly one.

I think people think this kind of metalwork is difficult. It’s really not.