Amanda Watson, the engineer who pioneered the AirLink and several other technologies for Oculus, was hired at Valve.

2 months ago by rtxn to c/steamdeck

An article about her work at Oculus and Meta: XR Update

No Frame today, it looks like.

BakedCatboy 170 points 2 months ago

Nice! 2 hours ago in case anyone was wondering how old the screenshot is.

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snooggums 106 points 2 months ago

Thank you!

Social media's use of time since posting of timestamps is so frustrating.

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thingsiplay 24 points 2 months ago

Yes, but it makes sense in relation to other posts. It is just frustrating after longer period of time then a few minutes or hours, or when screenshot like this.

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snooggums 13 points 2 months ago

The layouts generally have room to state time in relation and the actual time. Even a simple date would be better than only relational. Most hide the real time in a hover over or click on the relational time whoch isn't captured in a screenshot.

Social media screenshots are so common it is time to update to show both be default.

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4am 6 points 2 months ago

But then it wouldn’t drive you crazy, and you wouldn’t sign up and find the post just to find out the actual time

And if you don’t make the conversion then that’s basically stealing /s ^but not really, they actually think like this^

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gibmiser 2 points 2 months ago

I think the compromise is a visual indicator of age - color or an icon indicating recency, in addition to a good old fashioned date timestamp.

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thingsiplay 2 points 2 months ago

I'm not a fan of coloring for age of post. Usually the compromise is, when mouse hover it will show the actual date in a on hover popup. How about when clicking the time it changes to a timestamp (and back) or while mouse is hovering / touching the time it changes on the fly (without any hover tip, Edit: I just realized that most people don't use a mouse on their phone :D also this would require dynamic changing with JavaScript).

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jtrek 11 points 2 months ago

I would so much rather just have a full timestamp. I can do the delta fine myself.

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harmbugler 2 points 2 months ago

And most of the time I’m just using the delta to get to the timestamp.

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ayyy 1 point 2 months ago

It makes perfect sense when using the website. The problem isn’t the timestamp, it’s the lazy people who share fuzzy inaccessible screenshots instead of links.

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mrgoosmoos 1 point 2 months ago

it makes sense to include the time passed since posting, yes

doesn't make much sense to not include the date and time posted

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plantfanatic -6 points 2 months ago

But that’s perfectly fine if you’re not screen grabbing and posting elsewhere?

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athatet 15 points 2 months ago

So then what you’re saying is it’s not fine. Cause screenshots of Twitter is basically all the internet is these days.

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mrgoosmoos 3 points 2 months ago

no, it's not just show me the damn time it was posted. I hate when only relative information is given.

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thedoginthewok 2 points 2 months ago

I was wondering that!

I thought the Steam Frame was going to be available "soon", so it came as a bit of a surprise that they just hired someone to work on it.

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niisyth 3 points 2 months ago

They did release dramatic updates to the Steam Deck post release. Worked out well for that, no reason they'd stop.

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Darkard 115 points 2 months ago

I wish I could have a cool job like that instead of this soul crushing one I've ended up with

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atomicbocks 96 points 2 months ago

I wish I could have a job…

I’m going on 20 months of unemployment.

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CarrierLost 66 points 2 months ago

My dude, I wish you nothing but the best of luck. It’s hell out there, but don’t let it get to you. You’re worth it and will find what you need.

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julianwgs 18 points 2 months ago

Jobs at Valve or Meta are very demanding and people can usually only cope with it if your life is your job and the many hours don‘t feel like working. These people are obsessed with what they are doing. It can be very soul crushing if you either loose that passion or want to have a life outside your job (like friends, a romantic partner, a time intensive hobby etc.).

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NanoooK 1 point 2 months ago

Any source for that?

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julianwgs 7 points 2 months ago
  • Valve handbook (if you read between the lines)
  • Working at Valve: 'A Fearless Adventure' or 'Lord of the Flies'?
  • Chaos Monkeys: Obscene Fortune and Random Failure in Silicon Valley

Note: I am not saying this is bad practice. These companies try to offer you the best work environment and a very good salary. If you like working then this right for you and it will not necessarily feel like work. Also things might have changed in the last few years at Meta.

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julianwgs 1 point 2 months ago

I just listened to https://podcasts.apple.com/...

She is definitely very passionate and obsessed about working on VR tech doing it in her freetime for month presumably years even after she left Meta.

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SpruceBringsteen 112 points 2 months ago

Good for her. Valve doesn't run on the same talent recycling process you see in much of the industry. They're small and retain talent.

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Kraiden 7 points 2 months ago

I agree with the sentiment, and I'm sure Valve are one of the better companies to work for, so I'm happy for her...

But Valve aren't small.

They ARE the PC gaming industry. They generate billions in revenue and control something like 75% of the global PC distribution market. I know they keep trying to sell themselves as just a small company, because they're a small internal team, but I really wish they'd snap out of it and scale up a bit to match their market. Especially when talking about their hardware side. I live in New Zealand, and the number of conversations I've had with people who have gone to some pretty extreme lengths to get a hold of Valve hardware is ridiculous. I'm not even talking about the new stuff, I mean the damn Steam Deck. I find it incredibly frustrating to hear people refer to them as a small company. Jolla is a small company. Valve is not.

Anyway, sorry, /rant

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SpruceBringsteen 53 points 2 months ago

Small was in regards to the number of people they employ. Valve runs a lean ship of a few hundred.

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glimse 14 points 2 months ago

Neither Jolla nor Valve are small companies, 200 and 350 (ish) employees respectively. But company size has nothing to do with revenue or profit, it's literally just people on the payroll and a cutoff of your choosing.

I don't think it's really fare to compare the distribution capabilities of a hardware company vs a software/service company, though. And doesn't this hiring kind of imply they're expanding their hardware side?

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JohnEdwa 21 points 2 months ago

From employee count they both would easily fit the legal US definition of a small business, as that's usually 500 or fewer, but can be as high as 1500 in some industries, depends what they'd be classified as.
Some are just directly about revenue too, so you could in theory be too big to be a small business even if it's just a single person - and by that standard, Valve is obviously not fit to be a small business.

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VAK 5 points 2 months ago

Whoa, I think in many other countries it's small upto 50. 500 feels so high - the ceo wouldn't even know everyone.

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glimse 1 point 2 months ago

I was being vague about the cutoff because Jolla isn't in the US and I didn't want to look up every country's definition lol

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mavu 59 points 2 months ago

It's great if you can work for a company that hires the actual smart people instead of management.

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cronenthal 55 points 2 months ago

Very cool! You known what would also be cool? Releasing the damn thing!

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Truscape 48 points 2 months ago

Given the current chip market there'd be a 400+ USD upcharge from the previously stated price of "below the (Valve) Index"

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zedgeist 13 points 2 months ago

What's upcharge? Is that like updog?

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asbestos 13 points 2 months ago

What the fuck is updog?

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zedgeist 16 points 2 months ago

Fuckin' not muchdog, what's up with you?

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riquisimo 2 points 2 months ago

You're the best kind of person

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Honytawk 1 point 2 months ago

Bestiality mostly

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Truscape 8 points 2 months ago

Sort of a synonym for markup, an additional cost on top of the original planned price.

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Rooster326 6 points 2 months ago

I understood that reference

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DeLancre -15 points 2 months ago
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SpacetimeMachine 6 points 2 months ago

I can already run cyberpunk on my pc. I want this so I can now see it in VR in higher quality than my current headset, wirelessly, with a much less bulky format.

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AdrianTheFrog 4 points 2 months ago

It's more than good enough for CPU imo but the GPU is going to really struggle. I think though most people just want onboard processing for the foveated streaming support and plan to use it with an actual PC, where I've heard the headset is extremely comfortable and lightweight despite what is then an overspecced processor

For standalone it should be faster than a Quest 3, so I think it's a stretch to call it outdated, it's still not great though

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doublah 4 points 2 months ago

It might be outdated, but it won't be overpriced. Meta made it clear their next headset will not be subsidised. And Pico are saying their next headset will be a Apple Vision Pro competitor.

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AdrianTheFrog 3 points 2 months ago

lol why would you try to compete with something that no one's buying

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DeLancre -1 points 2 months ago
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_stranger_ 5 points 2 months ago

They have to finish HL3 first so that it has a launch title worthy of a new platform.

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Jankatarch 46 points 2 months ago

I am extremely hopeful about steam frame. Wikipedia says it will still run linux like steamdeck.

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WolfLink 29 points 2 months ago

Ofc it’s going to run Linux, it’s default OS is going to be some variant of SteamOS

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Tattorack 5 points 2 months ago

Eyup. ARM Linux.

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madmantis24 3 points 2 months ago

This is what actually has me excited over it

If I can somehow afford a Steam Frame down the road, great! The real hype I'm feeling is in knowing we'll have Linux support for all sorts of mobile devices boosted by the advances they'll be supporting on the software side

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AdrianTheFrog 3 points 2 months ago path: 0 25465904 25472049, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Clbull 42 points 2 months ago

Meta's push towards virtual and augmented reality has clearly been a massive failure from the billions they invested into the "metaverse" only to come up with a shitty VRChat clone that lasted mere months. Meanwhile the only reason they're really in the news lately is because they stole Google's failed smart glasses concept, paired up with Ray-Ban and made the ultimate tool for creeps to record and harass women without their consent.

Valve are wise to poach their talent who have undoubtedly been throigh wave after wave of mass layoffs. The only other more significant hire they could have made other than Amanda would have been somehow bringing the fourth-dimensional being housed in a meatsuit known as John Carmack on board. But he's busy with AGI.

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poVoq 5 points 2 months ago

According to the article linked, she left Meta already in 2022 (anticipating the layoffs that followed soon after). Still a good talent for Valve to pick up now that they got into wireless VR with the Frame.

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Hadriscus 5 points 2 months ago

Just imagine Carmack at Valve.

Immediate singularity

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Naz 4 points 2 months ago

I can't give you anything more than an upvote, so here's a positive comment on your insightfulness/accuracy +1

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smeenz 32 points 2 months ago

Wouldn't it be great if turning that giant valve actually did something. Like...I dunno, someone in the next room shouts "turn that back on right now !"

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_stranger_ 5 points 2 months ago

there should be a sign that says "Do not turn valve"

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Honytawk 1 point 2 months ago

It shuts off all the water to the toilets.

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randoot 26 points 2 months ago

I love it when people demolish stereotypes. Nice work.

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cinoreus 24 points 2 months ago

What stereotypes?

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SirActionSack 21 points 2 months ago

That VR sucks maybe?

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teslekova 11 points 2 months ago

People with glasses can't work in VR!

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raptore39 8 points 2 months ago

That Half Life 3 isn't coming out

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captainlezbian 7 points 2 months ago

That engineers can't have awesome style obviously. Too long have we suffered under the burden that we all dress like dweebs, sometimes with a really bad attempt at dressing cool, but here she is actively challenging that stereotype

(But fr I absolutely love the skirt + leather jacket look and am making a note to try it at some point)

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randoot 4 points 2 months ago

Exactly, what stereotypes indeed. Let them rot.

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Honytawk 1 point 2 months ago

The ones with baseless assumptions from a bygone era.

So basically every stereotype.

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jnod4 1 point 2 months ago

You don't know any?

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girlnamedzero 20 points 2 months ago

Ohhh! I like that!!! Fuck Meta!

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nope 17 points 2 months ago

Neat

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GolfFoxtrotLima 16 points 2 months ago

Congratulations to her on getting the job

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Ertain 15 points 2 months ago

It's cool that she was hired. Let's hope more VR hardware is released from Valve in the near future.

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Blackmist 12 points 2 months ago

I really think they need to do a Frame Lite that just does streaming. A 16GB ARM powered standalone device was probably a great idea two years ago, but now we have all this. *gestures to fucking everything*

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TheOakTree 4 points 2 months ago

Considering Valve's customer base, this is really what I expected out of the Frame. I find it odd that they focused on standalone compute alongside a novel streaming function (foveated streaming) when the two are mutually exclusive in gaming use.

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spicehoarder 3 points 2 months ago

Because translating x86 to ARM will kick Microsoft while they're already down. This is just the justification to the means.

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AeonFelis 1 point 2 months ago

Especially when they want to sell it alongside the Steam Machine.

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mrmisses 1 point 2 months ago

I just want a movie watching device that makes it feel like I'm in a theater. So I guess I'm agreeing with you, how do we get this

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nodiratime 10 points 2 months ago

Good for her. And for us!

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Alcan 8 points 2 months ago

Amanda after 15 mins: wait, don't we want to steal every piece of data of every user??

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Jyek 3 points 2 months ago

While the steam hardware survey is opt in, it is still data harvesting lol

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TroublesomeTalker 12 points 2 months ago

True, but consent always makes things feel different.

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Honytawk 5 points 2 months ago

Very elementary!

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 3 points 2 months ago

She is giving me Dr Who vibes in that photo.

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heartSagan5 1 point 2 months ago

Possibly a Whovian.

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AlteredEgo 4 points 2 months ago

Has there been any news on some kind of proper VR desktop? Not a version of windows but something that is a new OS shell and can be used with a keyboard and allows task switching and using multiple VR apps at once?

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pewgar_seemsimandroid 4 points 2 months ago

did you forget that Linux exists?

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AlteredEgo 7 points 2 months ago

It should definitely be on the basis of linux, but not really what I mean. I mean a UI OS shell optimized for VR and things like eye tracking and controllers and how to switch from controller to keyboard. This is like an unsolved problem afaik. Like IOS and android designed a new shell for a non-desktop platform. I read a bit about Apple Vision Pro how they designed their UI widgets with eye tracking in mind.

At the minimum I want to be able to play a VR game like Elite Dangerous and pull up a video chat panel or browser window / notepad to look up stuff without exiting the game.

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tutter 7 points 2 months ago

reminds me of that one episode of community

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AlteredEgo 3 points 2 months ago

Which one? It's been a while and I haven't seen the last season I think.

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poVoq 3 points 2 months ago path: 0 25474768 25479461, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 2
AlteredEgo 1 point 2 months ago

Thanks! And yeah I expect higher resolution to be the real killer app for VR. Once you can actually replace a multi monitor setup with VR?

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poVoq 2 points 2 months ago

I was told the Apple headset's resolution is like the lower limit in resolution for that to work ok, so I guess those type of screens will come to more affordable HMDs some time in the future.

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jacksilver 2 points 2 months ago

I think Macs Vison Pro was somewhat geared for productivity. Might be sorta what youre talking about.

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ironpangolin29 3 points 2 months ago

Even valve is poachin' gee whilickers.

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Naz 2 points 2 months ago

Now if they hire Guy Godin as well, the wireless VR dream team will be complete

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dan69 2 points 2 months ago

Is it true that their only like 5 engineers (exaggerated obviously and rule all of valve code)?

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poVoq 5 points 2 months ago

Certainly not 3 🤷

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treesquid 1 point 2 months ago

4 is right out!

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Funkt4st1c 3 points 2 months ago

I reject the notion that technological advancement requires teams of hundreds of engineers.

That being said, the above statement is less and less true every year (look to physics atm), but VR still has a lot of low hanging fruit that need funding OR passion, not necessarily both

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porous_grey_matter 1 point 2 months ago

Depends what kind of technological advancement and what scale. New graphics tech for games? Sure, a small team might do better at communicating and getting features out quicker. A new, bigger kind of particle collider for high energy physics experiments? You need a good team just for one of the many of kinds of magnets, another just for a particular kind of detector, and so on for thousands of components (and advancements in software for all of the above) which need to be pushed forwards.

(I know you basically said as much, just wanted to expand on it a bit)

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DudeImMacGyver 0 points 2 months ago

Cool!

Now get to work Amanda, the Internet demands more cool shit from Valve in exchange for money!

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Malyca -15 points 2 months ago

She has a lovely smile, I hope she enjoys her time there

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Katana314 15 points 2 months ago

She does! She should smile more! /s

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abfarid -19 points 2 months ago

Lemmy behavioral study, day #1105:
A person does not get crucified for having a blue checkmark if they are a girl engineer.

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bitteroldcoot -40 points 2 months ago

What is going on with her cheek? It is swollen and looks like she just had a tooth extracted.

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ramenshaman 30 points 2 months ago

Sometimes people have different faces than everyone else. It happens a lot, actually.

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Zorque 10 points 2 months ago

Source?

/s

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rtxn 17 points 2 months ago

Hey, I've found the target audience for the DLSS5 instagram filter!

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redwattlebird 10 points 2 months ago

It's just the lighting. Don't overthink it.

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realitaetsverlust 5 points 2 months ago

I mean, maybe she has? I doubt anyone here knows the answer lmao.

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Metostopholes 5 points 2 months ago

It's not, everything below her nose is symmetrical. Her hair is covering one side of the top half of her face.That and the light are making the bottom half of that side look bigger.

Ugh, I'm done. I feel gross for nitpicking a woman's appearance.

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bitteroldcoot 3 points 2 months ago

I don't see what the fuss and anger is all about. With ai fakes and distortions everywhere pointing out a problem with a photo shouldn't be such a big deal.

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Metostopholes 3 points 2 months ago

Don't get me wrong, I don't think your comment specifically was gross. There's just people who are over analytical and hyper critical about women's appearance. I felt like I was getting close to that and it gave me the ick.

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eestileib 3 points 2 months ago

She's young and her facial fat hasn't sagged yet

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Honytawk 0 points 2 months ago

Do you also think her eyes are on the sides like a fucking prey animal?

It is her hair.

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eyekaytee -56 points 2 months ago
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rtxn 52 points 2 months ago

Says a lot about you that, of all of her achievements and qualifications, and the fact that she not just revolutionized but practically created the field of consumer-grade wireless VR... you get stuck on her being a woman.

God's menagerie is vast, but the fences are low.

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eyekaytee -29 points 2 months ago
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orochi02 15 points 2 months ago

Maybe thats fair but now you’re just being an insufferable jerk

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eyekaytee -17 points 2 months ago
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yermaw 14 points 2 months ago

I never considered it before, but do you think she might? Maybe pat me on the head and call me a good boy?

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eyekaytee -3 points 2 months ago
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Squirrelanna 1 point 2 months ago

I up voted because I want to see how the Steam Frame turns out and this is good news for that.

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AlteredEgo -1 points 2 months ago

A mix between r/UpvotedBecauseOfGirl and r/UpvotedForRepresenationOfWomenExcellenceInSTEM

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