For anyone doubting Kyrgizion's claim:

But the fact that they say their system is "advanced" and "refined", while they don't even add some guardrails as, i.e., date checks, that are the minimum one would expect to be added to reduce the likeliness of both false positives and false negatives. It's just stunning.

And that's still not really how that works. Those checkers just aren't very good.

I don't follow, if content checkers are wrong for not being able to tell original art from AI slop because they have been trained on datasets that include the original art, why wouldn't they also be wrong for the same reason on newer art? They would still likely absorb that newer art into their datasets.

Okay after writing it out I get what you mean, but I am thinking that the turnaround time of absorbing new art, using it to produce AI slop requests a few dozen/hundred/million times, and then calling the original works AI because the AI sloptificator can no longer tell the difference will be a constant, unless there is some way to track OC across multiple AI agents in the panslopticon.

I'm with you we need to chill

The irony of people immediately and without hesitation to believe AI to fact check AI, and simultaneously increasingly anything that anyone does is accused of using AI, nearly every single time with zero evidence other than their own gut feeling. The wider internet is an increasingly miserable place to be, which is impressive that it somehow seems gets worse every year.

Arguing semantics is a classic strategy of people who don't have a valid argument to make.

Exactly what does any of that change?

Why do you think people are upset about ai "stealing" art styles then?

Correct. The people who make and train LLMs with stolen art and writing are the actual thieves and should be in prison. Not disputed.

It's tracing.

That's by design!

A promotional image I created for a local queer rally was deemed "AI" by the community (the image was actually the result of me sacrificing 8 hours of sleep.) The vitriol I was hit with, including one of my fellow committee members passive aggressively implying I was lying about it not being AI, was enough to make me no longer want to volunteer my time or skills for my own community.

Which is really fucking shitty. The increased lateral attacks happening because of Gen-AI pitting us against one another benefits those fucks at the top, and they didn't even have to work for it.

10000%. Its really ruined everything. So many people like myself are just sticking to media made before 2018 ish. I follow very few artists today that I know are fully legit, but have zero trust for the majority.

Thats OK. I was listening to 60s music in the 90s so I was always an old fart.

The most interesting suggestion I've seen is a Chain of Trust method. I don't know all the complicated details, but in short, a trusted central group is established and each person can vouch for others, and those additions can vouch for others, etc, building out a large group of (theoretically) trustworthy creators. If a person ends up being untrustworthy, their link in the chain is "cut", removing their part of the chain and any cascading issues.

I'm sure the method has issues, but it's appealing as a mostly decentralized method of rebuking bad actors.

some can even make interesting pieces that would be *literally* impossible without it.

Got a “for instance”?

Should it be used as a weapon? No. But it fully deserves the ire. Generated content can not and never will be art, and artists that make use of it taint their own work and further enable the societal and environmental harm that accompanies it. The problem here is not a matter of caring too much, but an issue of how to appropriately handle a difficult-to-distinguish imitation of something that matters a lot to a lot of people.

Yes my son who is 10, uses that term when I lie or take the piss out of him. He’s like “omg mum that sounds ai generated”

I really hope this is true

Thats cool, I have never been able to draw worth a crap! Its really cool seeing people do it though its impressive how hard drawing is to me.

I do enjoy it but as with anything its a lot of work, money and time and I'm not happy if I'm just plucking along, I need to be improving ans creating full albums etc but in the end it doesn't seem worth it. People dont care, which is fine, and I'll maybe go back and listen to it in a few years for fun. Ive tried full on quitting but I keep getting recruited into other bands and most of my friends are musicians.

Yep. One of my finest moments as a musician was last year. Guy comes up to me after a show and says something like “gosh, I feel bad for you musicians, AI is taking your job.” I was just like “do you think I do this for money? I have a day job. I play music to meet and impress women, and you’ll never be able to do that with AI.”

Eh, kind of. I have hundreds of songs ive never finished but I probably won't. No one needs new music. Theres over a billion songs already made. The music i enjoy most are full productions either with my band or me playing all instruments, but now no one cares at all when you can just use midi guitars and some ai bot to throw real sounding drums and vocals. It sounds 99% real to almost everyone, so theres really no point in music online other than live performances, which I cant really do with just me. That would work if I was just an acoustic singer songwriter, but theres already way too many of those. It also takes so much of my time for zero benefit...tens of thousands spent on recording gear, thousands of hours learning recording and mixing, and in the end you have nothing. Much better off woodworking or learning to build/fix houses.

Its a sad state of the world , music/all art has never been undervalued more than now.

Instagram also needs to "make a living". They do that by making your life as an artist harder. You have to make a choice between using software that respects you and having a smaller following, or using a platform that, in every way that you can imagine, is abusing you.

artists can make a living from insta? (please assume I am very out-of-the-loop in regards to instagram and modern art stuff)

Social media without fasicts?! Are you insane?!

But the meals? Believe it or not, AI

For images, some photoshop forensics and a trained eye. Text is a bit trickier.

The Carrington Event was a massive geomagnetic storm in like 1859. If it happened today it would probably wipe out a ton of our electronics.

I'm fine wiþ ðat. I þink that modern written English has lost a lot of its original "character" and so I now use þ and ð. I'm well aware that it takes a few more seconds to figure out what I've written, if ðat pushes some people away from interacting wiþ me, ðat's cool, ðey aren't obliged to interact wiþ me.

After like 2 years of arguing with AI dipshits, the conclusion I've come to (and it's not really that novel) is that art is as any other language, like English, or body language, and I mean that literally, like body language, and its value is in whether you like listening to the person speaking.

This goes for SpongeBob, Dune, The Lord of the Rings, Reservoir Dogs, "Epic Fart Sounds 10 Hours" on Youtube, and any child's crayon, stick-figure drawing of their own house.

It is but that is the harsh reality. Gen AI is no doubt an insult to what it means to be human, what we value about ourselves. What it means you either just enjoy the process, or have to work harder to create art that rises above. As long as you can see something with your inner eye and communicate that to others through your medium, art is saved.

But how much hard work is put into stuff that is never even questioned because it isn't "trending" like OP for some reason? Because there isn't enough bandwidth? How is that not the same problem we've had for the last decade? People created things in obscurity and nobody gave a shit.

Hahahe touche. Just to be clear, originality or being novel would be only one facet of what makes good art or not. AI models could soon produce endless "novel" garbage which remain garbage.

And yeah you do have a point, if you look at the endless garbage comments rolling in on social media it does beg the question. If it's indistinguishable from AI comments, what does it say about humanity? Or does social media diminish us as a species?

But I'm a proponent of using advanced algorithms and now LLMs to improve discourse on social media. For example the endless reposts of the same garbage, with the same emotional manipulation for karma or propaganda - this an AI model could see and tag. Like "this repost #120 of a video showing X without mentioning the context Y. Funny comments are "Z" and "W". Emotional manipulation towards "U" politics."

We as a species are easily emotionally manipulated. And those with money and power or those who find themselves in a righteous mob of same thinking morons have the ability to reshape how people perceive the world. This is how all facets of the pluralistic overton window have become more and more polarized and have shifted towards authoritarianism. Because the social media tools spread certain memes globally now. And you see that Lemmy, despite not being owned and controlled by capitalists and developed by communists has not magically made this problem go away.

If you hate AI slop comments you should also hate human slop comments at least to a degree. It is degrading to know that much of our content can be faked by a LLM machine, but it also opens the possibility to rise above it. Simply by tagging "this is AI quality garbage". This is one application where the primitive verbal intelligence of AI could be useful as a tool because it can be broadly applied. To raise the bar.

Interesting. Because Gen AI is certainly the annihilation of certain facets of human creativity (I'd say the sloppiest aspects). What is creativity without meaning but annihilation? (EDIT: I've recently rewatched Annihilation and rewatching the ending now again, I love it more than ever because how relevant it is to the currently ongoing annihilation of our civilization).

It's also a great example of how hate bandwagoning reduces enjoyment. I've seen this with "Rings of Power". It's not the best TV show, certainly not the worst. There are like 4 subreddits discussing the show, 3 filled with endless hate and vitriol. 1 with discussions about who or how artistic decisions were made this or that way and how it conflicts with the source material. Finding that community made watching the show more enjoyable again.

So the community you choose absolutely does affect how you can enjoy entertainment or art. Basically you shouldn't allow yourself to be infected with hate mongering because that has it's own "economy" of karma and grifting on e.g. youtube.

A more important example would be how judgemental opinions can affect the view on "minority" cultures or the global south. Liberalism wants to commercialize it, conservatism wants to purify it.

I think they were suggesting that the service she hosted the image on used some AI tool for compression which modified it in such a way to be flagged by the scanner. They were not suggesting that she used an AI tool herself.