[US] New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani is apparently planning to enforce the disclosure of AI-generated images in house listings

20 days ago by destructdisc to c/fuck_ai

grue 271 points 20 days ago

How are such images not automatically fraud? The whole point of images in a sales listing is to show you what the product is like; they're either real and accurate or fake and deceptive.

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lime 56 points 20 days ago

they've always "freshened up" listings by adding furnishings so that part is probably fine. the issues start when the computer moves walls and windows around.

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Landless2029 21 points 19 days ago

I've seen listings show original and "sample" pictures with AI furniture. This is the way.

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OddMinus1 16 points 19 days ago

A listing in my area had AI generated image for showing the surrounding area. The AI misunderstood the scale of a field, and added kids the size of 3 story buildings playing soccer. And this was not realized before being posted.

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iamthetot 4 points 19 days ago

If that still exists, I'd love to see that hilarious blunder.

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arrow74 6 points 19 days ago

Or just don't include the AI at all. Have some imagination.

Every apartment I ever rented and the home I bought had regular empty photos and it was just fine

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nilloc 3 points 19 days ago

I’d rather see that because I like my existing furniture.

Even better take the pictures with tape measures laid across important dimensions so I can actually tell how things would fit.

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korazail 1 point 19 days ago

I'd accept that, and laud it as a valid use case for AI images even; as long as it was clear what was being done and had a human in the loop to ensure the generated image was reasonable.

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AmbitiousProcess 10 points 19 days ago

Yeah. Honestly, I don't really have a problem if a developer is just able to... not spend a bunch of money on a ton of furniture that'll get shuttled between different properties, not accidentally bang up a wall, etc, and just make a good looking listing image that accurately represents the space.

All the better if it can maybe lead at least some of the more mom & pop landlords to not charge more because they're looking to recoup staging costs.

Hell, I'd love it if I could look at a listing, and maybe get like 5 or 6 different options for how the space could look in very different styles, rather than the same, bland, generic palette of furniture and colors just because that's the only truly cost-effective option.

But of course, we can't have AI do anything good, that'd be ridiculous. It has to move the windows around and make the space look twice as big for no reason!

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kestrel7_7 4 points 19 days ago

All the better if it can maybe lead at least some of the more mom & pop landlords to not charge more because they’re looking to recoup staging costs.

This is never, ever going to happen, not even once. No landlord will ever willingly lower the price of anything. They'll just keep charging the same price and pocket the difference. They don't run charities.

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Ludicrous0251 2 points 19 days ago

All the better if it can maybe lead at least some of the more mom & pop landlords to not charge more because they're looking to recoup staging costs.

The staging costs are a drop in the bucket relative to the extra $ they're bringing in just by better marketing the space. Like one month of upsell from an empty box to a staged apartment likely covers those costs - everything else is pure profit.

They're pricing things based on what the "market" will support, and that doesn't change whether they spend $200 staging or $2 AI staging. Mom and pop landlords are still wealth parasites trying to maximize profits.

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jason 5 points 19 days ago

When my house was listed, they freshened up the sky of all things. Every picture had the same clouds regardless of direction.

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untorquer 4 points 19 days ago

A fisheye lens/high FOV, HDR, and lighting edits already give there illusion of larger better lit rooms.

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Natanael -1 points 19 days ago

The clever thing would be AI depth mapping and insertion of 3D models of furniture, etc, rather than full generative AI in-painting

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djdarren 38 points 19 days ago

I saw a thing yesterday about how Just Eat are now using AI generated images of the food being offered.

It's pissed me off for long enough that so many restaurants use stock images, rather than just taking a fucking photo of what they make, but for there to be no human at all in the process is a massive piss take. If they as a restaurant don't care enough about the food they offer to take some photos of it, then I, even as a fat bastard with a tendency towards gluttony, don't care enough to order from them.

And that's just a takeaway. AI images of somewhere that might cost me £1300 a month can fuck right off.

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snoons 16 points 19 days ago

There's a salon near me that has recently taped up ai generated pictures of people to show what kind of hairstyle they offer. Like, the whole point of the photo is to prove the quality of the service...

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Ummdustry 8 points 19 days ago

I do kind of get it, big companies have the advantage of paid photographers and inventive "serving suggestions" to make a floppy dry mc-chicken look like a Dionysian feast. My local kabab taking a photo of greasy meat with their phone under the old florescant lamps never looks as good.

I mean, I obviously salivate at such images, but I’m not sure I'd trust them to bring in the dough were I a small proprietor.

A fucking apartment though? Fraud, Straight to jail.

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kestrel7_7 8 points 19 days ago

I'd rather see greasy kebab pics than get my trypophobia set off by kebab that slowly disolves into rice

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Th4tGuyII 17 points 19 days ago

Right?? Out of date photos are annoying enough to deal with, but outright faked "photos" are a whole other ball game!

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boonhet 11 points 19 days ago

A use case I've seen (not AI actually, but old-school CGI when I was looking a few years ago) is for projects still in construction where you can reserve an apartment and buy when it's ready. The CGI images show the general shape of the place and illustrate what it might look like once furnished, with the very clear notice that the apartment will be turned over unfurnished and the photos are only there to give you an idea

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glimse 6 points 19 days ago

CGI furniture is quite common and pretty acceptable as it's just a layer on top of the photo. Whatever software they use is really good about marching scale.

Personally I'm a fan of it. I lack the ability to look at an empty room and "see" a layout so it's kind of awesome to have a mock-up.....

...But I saw a listing the other day that took me a minute....a pool table taking up way too much room in the basement. Then I caught the small text on GAME ROOM sign. A ceiling tile grid that changes sizes. A hallway that turns into a nook between photos.

That's where I draw the line. The edits don't help me understand the layout or give me design ideas, it's simply false advertising.

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CADmonkey 2 points 19 days ago

The feature I keep seeing in AI images is the way no straight line in the image aligns to the same vanishing point. The edges of the table line up here, the countertops line up here, the fridge here. Its glaring and it would also make it hard to plan a room.

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glimse 2 points 19 days ago

YES that's what I meant with the ceiling grid. I wasn't expecting AI at all (wasn't a thing last time I was browsing) so it took me a minute to figure out what felt so off about the size of the room. The back half looked way bigger as if the room was trapezoidal

And also when listings show furniture mockups, I'm used to it being right after the empty room photo. This listing ONLY had the AI photos, no original to reference.

Also, hello to a fellow CAD monkey.

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grue 5 points 19 days ago

3D renderings made from the construction BIM model are a totally different thing than probabilistic AI output that might or might not match reality.

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ZILtoid1991 9 points 19 days ago

AI boosters convinced people that we need "AI centrism", which is exactly thing like this, except they took their lessons from how racist operate, and depicted one extreme as vibe coding/slop posting, while the other as just not wanting to use AI. One AI booster trying to pass as "AI critical" actually used the horseshoe theory in his video, but painting Hasan Piker as the "far left" option to Nick Fuentes. Hasan is not as far left as some people try to make it look like, he's just annoying and people think extremism means being annoying, while tankies like George of Santos (formerly BadEmpanda) know to keep his cool.

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taiyang 8 points 20 days ago

Some images simply overly fake furniture over real locations, and I imagine this is simply an AI extension of what they did with Photoshop. Both should be considered fraud, imo, but photos with furniture likely to sell/rent better than real empty photos.

I miss when we just had staged photos, though I feel like that died during COVID when open houses stopped being a sort of mandatory part of the process.

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Zikeji 9 points 19 days ago

My sister just did like 3 months of house searching and it was not possible for her to find one without AI photos. Most had full on "reimagine" features.

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justsomeguy 12 points 19 days ago

Worst part is that the scaling is all wrong. AI is usually going for relatively minimalist interior design with a lot of space. In a cramped bathroom that doesn't work. It clashes with the entire design philosophy because there's simply no space. What does AI do? It scales down the toilet, sink and shower to create space. If you pay attention to it or maybe have a regular picture in-between the AI ones you see that it'd have to be a tiny toilet and sink but since everything is scaled down it's not always immediately noticeable.

The point being that even if you redo the room with the finest materials and finest craftsman it can never look like that.

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ayyy 4 points 19 days ago

Because rich people can’t commit crimes in glorious great America.

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normalentrance 4 points 19 days ago

Not defending it, but they usually use AI to stage fake furnishings without actually renting furniture.

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BarneyPiccolo 7 points 19 days ago

I hate that anyway. I want to see photos of an empty property. I can imagine my own furniture and layout, thank you.

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jonline 4 points 19 days ago

It does seem like a lot of people are lacking in imagination

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snooggums 4 points 19 days ago

With everything out of scale and misleading far beyond the old camera tricks they used to use.

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wonderingwanderer 1 point 19 days ago

Yeah, look out the window and see vibrant blue and green? Check it out in person: industrial wasteland or dystopian greyscape.

It's also so fucking annoying when I'm trying to get a feel for the room's dimensions and space, and I have to try to imagine it through a fucking enormous number of AI-generated plants cluttering the entire fucking thing. Like, no interior designer or professional home stager would fill the space half as much, so why the fuck are they using AI to make it look like that?

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BigBoyShuanzee 82 points 19 days ago

I like Mamdani, he's great. But he is doing exactly what all politicians should be doing all the time. The fact that this amazing man is seen as a shining star when he's just actually doing his job as a public servant is terrifying to me as someone with a young child.

Side note, if you Americans ever get sick of Mamdani, Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.. Please send them to Australia, we need people like them.

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BarneyPiccolo 38 points 19 days ago

When Mamdani sat at his desk for the first time, he moved all the neglected paperwork from previous administrations, and discovered a big red button that said "Something Good." So he pressed it, and Something Good happened.

He kept pressing it, and good stuff kept happening. It turned out, that button was ALWAYS there, and previous mayors could have pressed it at any time, but they never bothered.

Then it turns out that a Something Good button is on the desk of EVERY politician, and they just don't press it. Why? Because really wealthy people and corporations pay them a lot of money to NOT press that button.

It's time to make ALL politicians start pressing the Something Good button on their desks.

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nullspace 10 points 19 days ago

It can't be doom and gloom all the time. He's setting the standard and people are celebrating it.

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DoctorWhoDMC 1 point 19 days ago

Man Fulfilling Job Description At Work. More at 11.

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SocialMediaRefugee 0 points 19 days ago

I just hope the left doesn't turn on him the second he compromises even a little, like they usually do.

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eletes 8 points 19 days ago

Already happened in various parts of the beginning of his admin. One example being him keeping the same police commissioner.

The thing is, he keeps delivering on so many things that narratives stay in his favor.

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Enkrod 8 points 19 days ago

And he's so clever about it. He talked about what he's doing and that some people argued he's only doing small stuff (like fixing potholes) and nothing with big impact.

And he said that all those small things can be done quickly, so people see results quickly and that builds a positive relationship with the public and that builds the political capital do do bigger things and start projects that take longer so people will have to wait and trust longer before results happen.

He is absolutely aware of the importance of the narrative and how to build it.

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ayyy 4 points 19 days ago

Why would anyone ever bother to compromise with fascists? It’s always a mistake, they will never act in kind.

Source: literally all of history, every time. With zero exceptions.

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FreddiesLantern 73 points 19 days ago

He keeps smashing that "make everything better" button.

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FlashMobOfOne 28 points 19 days ago

If our country weren't so bought off by billionaires, it wouldn't feel so weird to see a politician doing obviously correct things.

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Lushed_Lungfish 69 points 19 days ago

The fact that people are so astonished that a politician is actually serving the people that elected him is a pretty damning criticism of your political establishment.

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Canconda 9 points 19 days ago

People should also be less surprised that the handsome, well spoken, popular, Mamdani was able to flatter an egocentric, maniac, surrounded by sycophants, like Trump into being his biggest supporter. Forget playing him like fiddle, Trump is the dollar store recorder they forced on us elementary school.

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samus12345 7 points 19 days ago

I don't think it was even intended, he was just applying standard diplomacy. Mamdani clearly has natural charisma. Trump's even more of a sucker for that than most.

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Canconda 6 points 19 days ago

Fully agree. Plenty of examples of him masterfully diffusing confrontation on live TV. Like he honestly blows me away with how well he answers things.

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Avicenna 55 points 19 days ago

Democrats hate this one trick.

Spoiler: It's called serving the people.

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MBech 29 points 19 days ago

It's called doing anything. Like, these things he's doing are great, but it really shouldn't be headlines. These things should just be normal politician things. They're great because every other fucking politician doesn't give half a shit about their people, but they shouldn't be. They should be boring things, that are done, and you don't even know it has happened.

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HerbGrower 5 points 19 days ago

Breaking news, politician stands up for the people he represents!

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conartistpanda 2 points 18 days ago

Fake'n gay

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cass27 11 points 19 days ago

You can't give the blanket "Democrats" credit for this. The degree to which the Democratic establishment fought to keep guys like him out if power can't be understated. However the progressive parts of the democratic party are growing in strength and number by the day. I hope some day the party stands up for half of what he does. This is the only guy who makes me hopeful for the future

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qarbone 7 points 19 days ago

That comment doesn't read as giving Democrats credit, though.

It's obviously mirroring the "doctors hate this one simple trick" ad line, but did you think the original was supporting doctors?

The line is saying that Democrats/"doctors" know about the little trick and were keeping it from you. That's not a flattering representation.

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Avicenna 1 point 19 days ago

"X hates this one trick" is generally a statement where X is seen as the self-serving side and they hate the trick because it makes them redundant.

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adhdsergio -5 points 19 days ago

Gavin Newsom seems alright too, though I haven't heard as much about him

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qarbone 9 points 19 days ago

I would do some personal digging on Gavin Newsom. He seems to be very much a classic politician, i.e. he'll say whatever he thinks his base wants to hear. But he is notably very flaky on trans allyship in legislature.

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adhdsergio 1 point 18 days ago

I guess the bar is very low these days so in comparison to the boss anyone looks like a genius

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lightnsfw 4 points 19 days ago

Nah, look at all the privacy invading bullshit coming out of California.

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SwissArmyKazoo 1 point 19 days ago

They'll immediately break down when he ends up legislating trans athletes to participate in sporting events, and the first highly successful trans Olympic champion will credit him for siding with their community after receiving the gold medal for 500 yard dash.

Go Zohran, we have faith in you.

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melfie 39 points 19 days ago

Here we are giving a politician standing ovations for doing his job and working in the interests of the people who voted for him. What a world we live in where politicians stand out for doing what should be considered a standard, honest day’s work.

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FoxAlive 39 points 19 days ago

Man what the fuck are our local politicians doing. Every time I hear his name he's doing something that's actually is helping and getting shit done.

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Witchfire 12 points 19 days ago

99% of politicians don't work for the people. A capitalist system will always require anyone with power to chase the money. He's part of the remaining 1%

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ricecake 5 points 18 days ago

Well, most local politicians are 1) mediocre and 2) not the mayor of one of the largest cities in the world.

The city has more people than 38 states. It's hard to get more visibility than that.
Like, my local mayor ordered the police to forbid certain types of restraints, ban no-knock warrants, and raising the threshold for traffic stops. Also moderately updated the ordinances around recreational marijuana businesses . He's also directed city funds towards fighting homelessness by providing substance abuse counseling and housing them in vacant appointments we already have, and building auxiliary housing.

Pretty good. But there's only around 100k people. It's just not as much impact or visibility.

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Mulligrubs -3 points 19 days ago

This is not helping. It's actually allowing AI to be used, unfortunately. "we promise to disclose it" good luck

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raze2012 3 points 18 days ago

And if they try to not disclose and get caught, they get fined.

The idea isn't perfection, because scams always exist. It's to make it super risky to attempt to scam and discourage the largest platforms from doing it.

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eremophila 31 points 19 days ago

faked photos are deliberate fraud

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BarneyPiccolo 8 points 19 days ago

Everything is fraud these days. We are in the Golden Era of Fraud.

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ThirdConsul 4 points 19 days ago

Gilded.

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psx_crab 30 points 19 days ago

And i thought "image for illustration purpose only" from 10 years ago is bad. Nowadays people just don't bother with taking picture of the thing they selling.

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BarneyPiccolo 3 points 19 days ago

I mean, it's so hard. You have to find a camera, who's got a camera? Then you have to take the film in for developing, then you have to scan the picture into your computer.

Of only they made a compact device that included a camera, that you could keep in your pocket.

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Chl0r0f0rm_Angel 28 points 20 days ago

Dude is the Wikipedia image on the article for "Standing on your business"

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cheat700000007 23 points 19 days ago

Should be banned outright as false advertising

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driving_crooner 1 point 19 days ago

They would argue is a 1st amendment violation

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heartSagan5 10 points 19 days ago

AI has no personhood.

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isleepinahammock 1 point 19 days ago

Neither does paper.

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Almacca 3 points 19 days ago

Pretty sure false advertising isn't protected speech, and if it is, what the fucking hell, America?

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Lemminary 2 points 19 days ago

Would it stand up in court, though?

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driving_crooner 6 points 19 days ago

6/3 Supreme Court ruling that AI pictures are free speech.

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cheat700000007 10 points 19 days ago

Advertising is still advertising and they're misrepresenting the product

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Witchfire 3 points 19 days ago

A court already defined AI generated CSAM as free speech so I wouldn't be surprised

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DoctorWhoDMC 23 points 19 days ago

This guy's mayor of a single city and he's making every politician worldwide look like shit with minimal effort.

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MeThisGuy 2 points 18 days ago

kind of a big city though

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BigMacHole 22 points 19 days ago

How DARE this Socialist try to help ME! I can't WAIT to VOTE HIM OUT in Favor of a Republican!

-LITERALLY Republican Voters!

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nullspace 8 points 19 days ago

Republican voters either own the homes or are sympathetic to the noble landlords offering the lowly peons a place to live for 60% of their income.

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SocialMediaRefugee 3 points 19 days ago

Well, based on who they elected president they actively hate honesty, or maybe they like people who are honest about their dishonesty.

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AceFuzzLord 21 points 19 days ago

Landlords larping as peasants and spreading misinformation about how genAI image using listings are actually super renter/buyer friendly and how Mamdani is just trying to buy all the property to make the worlds biggest mosque in order to recruit teens to join ISIS in 3… 2… 1…

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TheFrirish 1 point 19 days ago

The more outlandish the claims the easier they gobble it up

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Furbag 20 points 19 days ago

I don't even live in New York City and I'd fall on a grenade for this guy. Just one W after another.

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lemmygarden 18 points 19 days ago

I'm getting sick and tired of Mamdani constantly winning

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absGeekNZ 5 points 18 days ago

I can't remember if it was before 2016 but it is something Trump said, he said "you are going to get sick of winning".

But this is actually what winning looks like. Approval ratings go up!!!

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ironpangolin29 17 points 20 days ago

I'm happy for the guy and NYC for his accomplishments thus far, kinda worried about him too.

He's making asshats out of all the other mayors offices though. When you have no baggage and don't have dues to pay. You can get shit done and it makes people look bad and makes people jealous.

I feel like it's best for NYC that he start talking behind ballistic glass. Just sayin'...I'm just sayin'!

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BarneyPiccolo 3 points 19 days ago

The Midterm election is going to change a lot of mayors and a few governors. We'll see who is embracing the Mamdani Effect at that point. After seeing how successful and popular Madani has been, I think there will be a few.

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Mulligrubs 15 points 19 days ago

There's not already a law? They don't accept paintings or cartoons or artist's renderings in listings, do they?

NO AI images, "disclosure" is actually an absurd measure.

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Marthirial 15 points 19 days ago

You know we are in deep shit when the logical, common sense thing is the "cool thing"

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NotASharkInAManSuit 14 points 19 days ago

He’s not even shooting for the stars, and he doesn’t and shouldn’t need to, meeting very base level societal needs is just hitting it out if the park these days.

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phoenixz 14 points 19 days ago

I'd go one step further and require the same for photos that have been edited in any way, shape, or form.

I also would even simply prohibit pictures that have been modified.

If it ain't the real thing, it shouldn't be used to sell or rent me the thing

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MeThisGuy 1 point 18 days ago

so no fake tiddies on your stripper?

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Jankatarch 13 points 19 days ago

Two posts back to back!

Article says "Zohran Mamdani to require all NYC apartment listings disclose Al-generated images." There is an image of him next to appartment listing with "AI generated brand" on right conder, and the user Rejectness's reply "he wakes up every day "he literally wakes up everyday and does the coolest thing ever." This entire post is in "fuck_AI." There is one more post right under in "fuck_cars" going "[US] New York City Mayor Zohran Mamdani is apparently considering levying higher tolls on SUVs and trucks entering the city."

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calcopiritus 2 points 19 days ago

Thanks. I hate blue upvote. My brain has been wired for orange=up, blue=down

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RagingRobot 9 points 19 days ago

The ai images are so annoying. We bought a house this year and you would look at a listing and see the same house in 4 different colors. No idea what it really looked like until you got to the house and noticed all of the paint needed to be redone haha.

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Leviathan 7 points 19 days ago

Should be the same for food and goods and everything else. It should be considered false advertising not to.

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Goldholz 6 points 19 days ago

We all have the choice to be a good influence on the world. But many choose damaging it instead

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StealthLizardDrop 5 points 19 days ago

Can we borrow him to be our prime minister please? Our ones sucks 😞😔

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tinfoilhat 5 points 19 days ago

I don't know what pisses me off more. The fact that Mamdani does so much cool shit, or the fact that he's such a cootie patootie while he does it.

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ProfessorYakkington 4 points 19 days ago

This guy ... crushing it.

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SocialMediaRefugee 4 points 19 days ago

But how can you sell crappy housing?

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lechekaflan 3 points 19 days ago

Nah, Hizzoner, you should shut down anyone using AI images to rip people off.

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SwissArmyKazoo 3 points 19 days ago

Should be flat out prosecuted for contributing to ecocide and major water shortage crisis

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Blaster_M 2 points 18 days ago

AI generated product sales listing images should not even be allowed, under false advertising.

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Polisheocket 2 points 19 days ago

This is why land lords should be forced to use Zillow or mls listings to post rentals in CA, too many use facebook market place and it’s not being policed

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solidheron 2 points 19 days ago

ZOHRAN Mamdani will make your dick bigger and help you satisfy all your sexual partners and make your enemies jealous

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Atlas48 1 point 18 days ago

How can he not fumble?

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wonderingwanderer 1 point 19 days ago

Thank fucking god!

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IzzyScissor 1 point 19 days ago
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the_wizard_of_0Z -26 points 19 days ago

Trauma bonding worship your idol yet still a pleb.... sleep sheep until it is time for you to go to war.

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