Ah yes, Lemmy, so popular with kids it competes with Roblox for the pervs attention

Sexuality?????? “Likes to hold hands/be married with girls and/or boys” is not “sexual” and little kids can quite easily get that.

Seriously, is a kid with straight married parents not allowed to know their parents are married/like each other??? Tf

Scrolling through the community quickly, there were like 3 jokes mentioning a husband's wife, one mentioning a car's manual transmission stalling, and one that's over a week old that includes the word "ass' which is directly breaking the no-profanity rule, yet somehow the concept of a gay couple is too confusing for a 6 year old? Oh and also a joke about "Cherenkov radiation" which I am 1000% confident no 6 year old on earth has ever heard of.

PTB

My kid knew about gay people from the day he was born. PTB for sure.

Mod posted a response: https://lemmy.world/post/52564578

I have recently received some feedback about including sexuality as a topic for dad jokes. Although it was not the most constructive of feedback, some points were made. Sex as a topic is not the same as sexuality, and I apologize for not making that distinction clearer. I was basing my moderating on what was being reported and sex being a topic as understood for children closer to puberty, although sexuality such as LGBTQ+ parents/partners/people can be understood much earlier. While I stand by still keeping actual sexual themes (anatomy, sex positions, etc.) as an off-limits topic for the community, sexuality seems reasonable to include.

This community is not static; I want to do my best to maintain a place that can grow with the community while staying true as a place for humor in a world that has plenty of unpleasant things. I am not a bot, and am indeed a person that is open to having respectful discussions.

Tell me what you think should and should not be included as “off limits topics.” Should profanity be allowed, or possibly only certain words? Are there other suggestions you have? I will try to look at the common themes from any feedback and apply them over the next two weeks or so.

Equating gay/bi people with sex and therefore inappropriate for children is a tactic of bigotry. The same argument was used to say that it's wrong for Mr. Ratburn to get married on Arthur, despite the episode being completely innocuous, or for any of the lgbtq characters in Steven Universe to exist. It's literally an argument to exclude queer people from society.

Ptb. That the mod doesn't understand the difference between romantic and sexual attraction says a lot about them as a person. It says even more that they expect the jokes to be understandable by a 5yo.

On the bright side, this is Lemmy! Anyone can make a new Dad Jokes community that doesn't have that stupid rule.

What's everyone so upset about? Clearly, the 3-6 year-olds on Lemmy have been protected!

...from knowledge about the existence of gay and/or bi people.

PTB, obviously.

Another one of the bigots who think mentioning anything not straight is both sexual and political - PTB

I'm going to say that's not a dad joke, but it's fucking hilarious. That said, the stated reason for removing it is idiotic.

Wtf? 10000% PTB.

All you have to do to illustrate how stupid this removal is, is to imagine this couple also has a kid, whom this joke is told infront of.

Spoilers: The kid likely isn't going to get it, in the same way that many many kids cartoons make reference based jokes and quips, and even mildly raunchy jokes that kids also do not understand... unless the context has already been previously explained to them.

Thats the point, thats how they work as jokes, you need the context otherwise its meaningless.

Then the other part of the joke is you get it while the kid doesn't, the joke landing two different ways at the same time makes you feel more knowledgable, that joke is for you, the parent/guardian, so the show is fun for you too.

Even if there were 3-6 yo lemmy users... the logic for removing this still doesn't actually make sense.

Part of the cleverness of the joke is that it is indecipherable to a kid that doesn't understand sex or sexuality... it thus doesn't 'expose' kids to anything they don't already understand.

Do we know what mod made this very homophobic decision, because I would like to know that they've been banned for this.

If your 5-year-old can't understand someone being gay then you're a shit parent.

I clocked Bert and Ernie as a gay couple as a five year old.

Split on this. The assumption 5 year olds couldn't get this joke because its funny to be in a gay marriage but not yourself gay seems bigoted. Kids could get that just as easily as jokes about straight couples. At the same time rule says no jokes with death or sex. PTB I.M.O.

Edit: On reflection placing sexuality in the category with drugs, death, and racism seems rough

Someone needs to tell that mod that dad jokes aren't for the kids.

One thing that everyone should learn in sex ed is the Kinsey scale 0-6, and bisexual is 1-5 on the scale, so that's most of the scale. Most people don't know this and if they do, most won't admit the same gender attraction. Even in generally decent marriages to the opposite gender, they never know each other fully. Some might confuse that as choosing to be "straight" but they are still Kinsey 4 or whatever, and should not be resentful of people who chose both ways or not marriage. They should support equal rights too. It's all good whatever number people are, be free!

"Of course their gonna know what intercourse is by the time they hit fourth grade, they got the discovery channel, don't they?". In most situations like this, pre-internet, your older cousins would say "You'll find out when you're older".

Not a dad joke since it’s actually hilarious.

Also, what a PTB.

Seems to me that even if you're trying to keep all mentions of sex/gender out of DadJokes (what is a Dad anyway and how is he different from a Mom?) you should at least make a suggestion that OP send their post over to UncleJokes, which needs more content.

I'm not going to go as far as PTB. There's no out of scale action, the removal was in good faith, and the mod has been consistent in their moderation.

This is, however, clueless mod territory. It's bad application of a rule done in ignorance. It isn't okay, it shouldn't have been removed.

No power trip, just a bad decision, and there is a difference between the two

so a teenager's dad cannot crack dad jokes anymore?

the topic of sexuality

Times to play "check that mod's hard drive"

Ignoring that the avarage age of lemmy could be 25 up to 35 years

but sexuality not until closer to puberty

I'd say that a kid would understand sexuality better "look, they just love eachothers" vs "they are male but with a female body" or sum

A reasonable reason to remove it was because it's not a dad joke. A funny joke, but not a dad joke

PTB & bigotry

1. Lemmy.world ban kids to use their instance, also users of other instances. (Or at least it was their policy)

1. There are marriage jokes in the community.

Edited: The requirement is in the comm rules, not to protect kids, but for the level of complexity of the joke. I would suggest to the mod to rethink that rule when it can be use to hidden oppresed collectives.

I don't understand, what would 3 year olds' understanding of sexuality have to do with community guidelines on Lemmy?

I'm seriously asking. Not one corner of this place is acceptable for a 3 year old, nor should it be.

Bigotry.

PTB

Unfortunately, some Lemmy instances allow conservatives. Wherever you have conservatives, you have bigotry.

Conservatism is cancer. It should be eradicated. Especially in positions of authority or any place where free speech is valued.

The given reason is whack but it’s not a dad joke. It’s not a pun or play on words. It’s just a standard set up and observational joke

Reddit has been certailing speach for a while now, I pointed out on the Canadian politics sub that I'd notice their were quite a few more posts about the national post then their were other Canadian news agencys and I got banned imidiatly for it.

I've known what lesbians were for as long as I can remember, because I have an auntie who was in a civil partnership with another woman. Apparently when it was explained to me in basic terms (after I had asked what a lesbian was, as I'd overheard it), I was just like "oh, okay." and went back to playing. Kids are better at understanding this stuff than we give them credit for

Ok this mod has gone absolutely mask-off about being a homophobic bigot despite their two-faced attempt at mollifying the backlash. Shame on you @loopy@lemmy.world

Good removal but clearly for the wrong reason.

This is a husband joke, not a dad joke. It's almost like a dad joke but hasn't reached its final form.

I've taken a look at the moderator log, and they are pretty consistent about it.

I can understand the concern - seeing this post caused me to go take a look.

I'm open to my mind being changed, but it appears to me that they pretty consistently remove jokes with a sexual component, and often suggest c/unclejokes as an alternative place for posting them.

At the moment, this looks to me to be a community rule that not everyone agrees with, but a reasonable rule to have and enforce. It certainly does not break the Lemmy.World TOS.

The job of a moderator is to act as a janitor and facilitator. They remove spam, bigotry, and posts that don't fit. And then hopefully help ensure the things that do fit are allowed - so the community then upvotes/downvotes on what they like or don't like. But it is worth bearing in mind that moderators are all volunteers, and in addition to being a janitor and facilitator, they have often created the communities in question, and so should and do have a hand in how those communities operate. Ideally, it's a balance between what the community wants and the vision the mod has for the community.

I will also say that 1) everyone's opinions on what crosses lines are different, and 2) after moderating in various places for 30 years of my life, I can say that a surprising amount of content requires subjective calls to be made, even with brilliantly objective rules. Context is surprisingly critical in many cases, for example, although in this instance, it's more about where lines are drawn and what exactly is "sexual".

I personally don't have any problems with this joke at all, and if I were the mod, I think I wouldn't worry about what actual children might think of jokes - but that's where this community is, and this removal seems reasonable to me based on that rule.

Not sure of any rule violations, but it doesn't feel like what I would think of as a dad joke. Normally I would call dad jokes something that's simple, absurd, maybe a bit punny, and generally gets a groan and head shake more than a laugh. This takes a bit of lateral thought to get, so maybe advanced level dad joke?

Why is there no acronyms for "everybody sucks" or something?

• bad dad joke

• bad reason for removal

I don't see it as a "kids don't understand gay people", and I think the mod was justified.

I'm grateful this forum has the respect to give me the courage to share my feelings. Just kidding! Downvote away.