If we keep it without karma, bagdes and other reward crap then the only reward is the information of the post itself, the plus that ir brings to the people involved. As a forum should be.

I really hope that Lemmy will never have it. Karma destroyed Reddit.

This comment constitutes my first real interaction with a Lemmy instance, and this post is how I'm learning that Lemmy doesn't have reddit-style karma.

Suffice to say I'm very happy to learn this. +1 point in favor of higher quality, organic content generation.

Can’t wait for Lemmy to take off and then have people forever being “ omg I was here before the Reddit lot hipsters” but they got here 10 mins ago like me.

As someone who used reddit when Dig was still big; let Karma die, it's so stupid.

Upvoting posts is fine, but Karma I can do without. Back on Reddit sometimes I help somebody with something and I get maybe 3 or 4 Karma. Make a stupid joke in a popular Thread and get that hundred fold. Karma is useless.

No karma, no karma farming.

Karma wouldn't work on Lemmy. I could just make an instance and run a script to give myself as much upvotes as I wanted.

Honestly I don't mind the upvote and downvote system but i don't want reddit replicated.

Former redditor here. Never gave a crap about karma. Just here to laugh at funny Internet things.

For the love of God, keep karma off this platform. Let upvoting and downvoting function purely as a way to prioritise posts.

Lemmy is a classless, stateless, and karmaless society

Go touch grass and do good deeds then

Let's not, we're all better off without imaginary internet points.

The advertisers end up monetizing karma. Screw that noise!

I'm sorry to anyone that needs internet points to feel good

If people really want karma, they can write a 3rd party app to total their comments and posts scores. This isn't reddit.

Good. Karma just incentivizes the monetization of accounts. Without karma there is less incentive for bots and grifters since visibility/prominence/influence can no longer be bought and sold.

I like that it doesn't have karma. reddit has been deteriorating since 2016 2017. karma farming bots have increased in size so much. quality had dropped too much. I have been discussing about this with many friends since long and was trying to find alternative. I love that this decision has given enough momentum to federated spaces. now we will have some quality content and discussion without platform owner's vested interests

Stuff like karma directly contributes to an environment where things are said and done for approval instead of genuine expression. I hope the new platforms don't include anything like it.

If any devs ever implement karma into Lemmy, I will shut down my subs and leave.

I mean that with 100% seriousness. Karma is one of the most evil concepts ever conceived in the history of the internet. It brings out the darkness in a motherfucker.

Technically, Lemmy does keep track of your total post/comment votes. It's just not visible from the current client. Hopefully it stays that way.

If there was one change on Reddit to make it'd be to get rid of karma. Upvotes and such show support and disapproval, but karma just pushes people into shitty social media actions.

I amassed a huge amount of karma and I have no idea what that meant? The truth was "I posted a lot" that's all.

To anyone suggesting karma is a good anti bot tool, remember there is karma whoring. Nothing is stopping a bot from spamming useless things, and interacting with other bot posts to build karma. This is already happening on reddit when you navigate to weird subs where all the content is coming from one account posting links to the same shitty tabloid site. Yet this content is getting upvotes from something.

Karma is security theater, I think the mods were the true anti-bot force.

Hard no

I never understood this obsession with internet points to the point where people are willing to farm them. I guess on Reddit there was a monetary incentive, with people selling accounts with certain amounts of karma. Honestly to me it’s always been more like “cool, I got 48 upvotes on this post” or whatever, and move on with my day.

What was the point of karma? I never understood the value in having it.

Why?

Posts should have the ability to be promoted or buried, to help highlight interesting stuff.

But why people? I don't get it. Isn't this place more like a forum than a social network?

Leave that crap for Facebook etc..

I hope that this will never be a thing lol. Most annoying "feature" of reddit

but my imaginary internet points :(

Updoots to the left....

Karma is the most stripper name I’ve ever heard.

I say stay strong and refuse. I can't see a single benefit outweighing the disadvantages and in particular botting to game that flawed system.

Nah keep that thing outta here

I'm so much happier without it. Having a big number next to your name is such a tired little ego trip

Wait what? There’s no karma here?

How will I be a gazillionaire?

It would be interesting to have a poll on how many people really would want reddit-style karma on lemmy. I suspect it wouldn't be that high

Personally, I like "points." It makes it like a game. I want the high score.

Are they? I haven’t seen anyone demanding that yet but I’m certainly not a seasoned fediverse vet. I never cared about Karma on Reddit so hopefully it doesn’t make it here.

What I really want is a "Lemmy Enhancement Suite" with all (or most) of the additional options that RES provided.

In particular I'm missing keyboard navigation, custom post filters (or just hiding posts in general), and collapsing in-line images. Those would be really nice to have here.

Reddit Karma really just incentives unhelpful but funny/highly agreeable post. Upvotes are fine as a per-thread moderation system, but when you have a total of all up votes it opens the door to circlejerks and discriminating against users with low karma score (which also incentives circlejerks as a quick way to earn enough karma to be a valid user, enables paid shills and enables account selling).

Karma totals is more or less one of the biggest flaws with reddit.

I don't care about karma. I just want to be notified when someone responds to my comments so that I can have an actual conversation.

Wouldn't that be old redditors and new lemmy users?

Oh Dear.

I never really got the appeal of having a lot of total karma. I guess it was "neat" having over 100,000 comment karma, but really I care more about how well received an individual post or comment is, which lemmy still largely retains.

The good thing with Karma is that incentivises activity in a positive feedback loop. I'm not saying Bot-Karma-Farming is good, but the more people engage on this platform the better it will be

Leave it as it is.

No.

If we keep it without karma, bagdes and other reward crap then the only reward is the information of the post itself, the plus that ir brings to the people involved. As a forum should be.

Good! The only role of good 'karma' should only have ever been about content quality and therefore content visibility. Content of bad quality can be reported or blocked.

Ranking a user's value based essentially 'how long they've been here' isn't meaningful. Even giving users a score based on their average votes would still prioritise groupthink and homogeny.

Well what am I going to farm and sell? If I can't make karma-whoring bots on lemmy.world, and then sell the accounts, what's the point? /s

I never understood the karma thing. Why do I care about a made up number. Unless it equates to something tangible. I can see it to help with spam bots, but that's about it.

No karma. But nice try, have a cookie

I am not a fan of the idea but a guy did just make a UserScript. https://feddit.de/post/1185964

If it wasn't worth posting on its own merits, it wasn't worth posting.

Karma deezn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD2dTubcAfo

Actually I think the whole upvote system sucks. I prefer 4chan, every comment is equal and people just ignore dumb shit. The upvote system promotes popular opinions and discourages saying anything that remotely goes against the flow. It's what made reddit such a echo-chamber circle-jerk place.

Do not make it so

On Reddit I deleted and burned my account yearly. Still debating wether I should to it on Lemmy and Kbin. We'll see

Internet points

I've been pondering the concept of Reddit "karma," and I believe it's time for a serious discussion about its true nature and the impact it has on our communities. I've written multiple posts about this previously here on kbin (https://kbin.social/...) with very mixed results in the engagement. Though I am still working on refining the argument.

While the idea behind karma is to provide users with a reputation score or social credit, I've noticed that it doesn't necessarily align with those intentions. Instead, it often serves as a reinforcement for users to stay within their comfort zones and echo chambers, stifling diverse perspectives and constructive dialogue.

One of the main issues I've observed is the tendency for downvoting to occur when a user expresses an opinion that goes against the prevailing sentiment within a particular community. Even if the opinion is well-thought-out, respectful, and contributes to meaningful conversations, it becomes a target for downvotes. This behavior discourages users from engaging or expressing differing viewpoints.

It's disheartening to witness how users can manipulate the system out of spite. Some individuals go as far as visiting other users' profiles and downvoting their past posts to deliberately lower their karma score. This kind of behavior further emphasizes how the current karma system is more of a reflection of how often a user participates in echo chambers that align with their views, rather than an accurate measure of their quality engagement or contribution to the community.

With that in mind, I propose that we reconsider the name of the point system to better reflect its actual usage. Here are a few alternative names that encapsulate the behavior we often see:

• Echo Chamber Score: Highlighting the tendency to reward users who stick to echo chambers and discourage exploration of different perspectives.

• Bias Points: The system measures a user's inclination to conform to specific biases or ideological groups.

• Conformity Score: The score reflects a user's adherence to the prevailing opinions within specific communities, rather than their engagement.

I believe a change in the name would serve as a wake-up call for the community, highlighting the importance of open-mindedness and respectful discourse. It would encourage users to think beyond their echo chambers and engage in meaningful conversations, even if they hold different opinions.

I've previously discussed how it would be more beneficial to leave the rep system in place, but keep the scores hidden to everyone besides the user of that profile. Another thing to think about is the way Steam has a rep system regarding VAC Bans. Instead of banning a profile completely, just some big red text on their profile noting which game or community there were banned from and how often.

I'm eager to hear your thoughts on this matter. What are your suggestions for improving the system to foster more open and constructive dialogue?

How do the comment/post scores on Lenny compare to Karma? At first glance, they seem quite similar!

Is anyone really or is this just a meme?

Lmao

When i first joined a couple days ago i kinda missed the karma, but i see why its bad

Karma is a double edged sword. I say, we don't need it but I can see why people want it.

It came and went. It came and went.

They tried being a real life whore but nobody wanted to pay them, so they want karma back.

Honestly would rather have something more concrete than up and down votes. Now reason for up/down vote can be anything like agreement, disagreement or it could be about the quality of the post being good, bad, interesting or just funny.

But guess it's just simpler this way, but I would personally prefer system similar to discords reactions.

I like that it doesn't have karma. reddit has been deteriorating since 2016 2017. karma farming bots have increased in size so much. quality had dropped too much. I have been discussing about this with many friends since long and was trying to find alternative. I love that this decision by reddit admins have given enough momentum to federated spaces. now we will have some quality content and discussion without platform owner's vested interests

It’s my karma and I want it now!

Can someone import my Reddit karma pls