Worst States To Live & Work In. All 10 Are Republican States
3 years ago by MdRuckus to c/politics
I personally agree with this list. But, we have to be pragmatic here. This is what CNBC says they did:
"The study measures quality of life issues including crime, health care, childcare and health care, as well as inclusive policies on discrimination and reproductive rights."
See, the last two skew this study. People in these shit hole states (not all, but at least enough of the voting public) don't want inclusive policies or reproductive rights. So, to them, this metric is backwards. They would argue that living in California or New York was way more terrible because of the brown people and gays.
This isn't exactly a scientific study. It's taking objective data to reach a subjective conclusion. Neat headline though.
Edit: many if them are arguing exactly that in this thread. With a nice dose of racism and misogyny thrown in. Nice. I love when shit comes full circle.
Granted, I'm also straight, white, and male... But there are a hell of a lot of women who support abortion bans AND adore Mr "Grab 'em by the Pussy!"
I know one who doesn't believe God would allow a dangerous, nonviable pregnancy to take hold in (or in the case of ectopic pregnancies, outside of) a woman's uterus. She just doesn't believe something as sacred as a uterus can have that kind of flaw built into it.
And even if you could convince her dangerous pregnancies were real, I think @Ohthereyouare@lem.ee was saying that Republican women would not agree that their ability to survive an ectopic pregnancy is good or worth it if it also helps the "sluts" they despise to have more "convenience abortions."
Surviving might seem pretty good to you and I, but that doesn't make that ability objectively desirable to the people voting against their own interests. And they would be offended if their access to healthcare was deemed "better" in a quality-of-life metric than access to a set of theocratic restrictions.
They would tell you, "well I'm happier. Liberals think they can speak for me just because I'm a woman and my opinion doesn't matter! But if they asked me, I'd tell them I would prefer to live in a place where the sanctity of life was valued! They'd have to censor me and edit me out of their videos because I wouldn't support their narrative!"
I know one who doesn't believe God would allow a dangerous, nonviable pregnancy to take hold in (or in the case of ectopic pregnancies, outside of) a woman's uterus. She just doesn't believe something as sacred as a uterus can have that kind of flaw built into it.
But I guarantee that the second that she (or any other woman with similar views) had a pregnancy that threatened their life, they'd opt for an abortion ASAP. They'll rationalize that their abortion was justified and blessed by God, but all those other abortions are just "liberal sluts who want to kill babies" or something.
So what are we supposed to do to get them to stop choosing to be horrible like this? Can't do nothing... ~Cherri
Yup, I am, but if it's fair to say that the positive things about Florida don't count because those positive things exist in other states then it seems to me that it's fair to say that prejudice against minorities should count against those other states too. Florida does not have exclusive rights to mistreatment of minorities. In fact I'm pretty sure that exists in all 50 states.
My only point, was addressing the thought that a poster said he felt sorry for people living in those states (Florida in this case) and all I was saying was it wasn't like we all just get up every morning and fail to function because we are all so overwhelmed by how bad it is where we live. We have running water in Florida.
Reproductive rights is healthcare.
Yep. It is. That's sorta the point though. "Worst" is subjective. Personally? I'd never move to one of those 10 places. But, a lot of them think that the lack of reproductive rights is a good thing, not a bad thing.
I don't think that... But, a lot of folks in America do.
Abortion isn't a right.
Only because the US doesn't consider healthcare a right because we're backwards af.
Pretty sure the west wasn't all that inclusive in 1923.
How dare they have inclusivity and care what people think and hear them out for their own ideas and inventions and bringing in more competition to a space. I'd rather have monopolies and monoculture so everything can be Grey and not complex, man that would bring so much innovation in the country! :D
As someone born in Texas and now resides in Oklahoma I agree with this study.
sweats in Georgia
As someone from West Virginia I'm stunned we didn't make the list. McDowell county is hell on earth. The northern part of the state really does hard carry the rest of it.
Here is yougov's list https://today.yougov.com/...
If you want a good chuckle, here are the states that they say have the best economies. https://www.cnbc.com/...
Included in the top 10 are:
- Florida
- Texas
- Tennessee
- South Carolina
- Indiana
One would only think that's surprising or funny if they assumed that "best economy" and "best states to live in" necessarily have a one to one overlap. While I can see there being some overlap, l think we all know that business-friendly policies that foster economic growth almost always come with a suite of larger demographic costs.
The key is to seek balance between what's good for business and what's good for the public, and in that light it shouldn't really come as a surprise that some of the most business-friendly states are also the worst places to live.
Where is DMV?
DC Maryland Virginia area.
Don’t get me wrong it not a utopia but much better. I miss Bucees and HEB. There’s also just as many bad drivers here, and the speed limits are LOOOOOW. But folks are on the whole nicer (which to me is weird as I heard folks here weren’t as nice as in Texas). And where I used to live 4 hours would get you to Beaumont and here it’ll get you through three states.
I've never even been there. I believe you on the nicer, it's probably genuine and not the superficial "How y'all doing?"
what was your experience like?
So basically this is just a “10 states where you can’t abort your unborn baby and men can’t compete against women in sports” list.
I know you have the ability to read. Go use it instead of posting crap like this. ~Cherri
Go read the article. It's basically a "who's who" of stricter abortion and "gender affirming surgery" laws, all other factors be damned. Education? Pfft, who needs it. Infrastructure and technology? Irrelevant. Business quality and work opportunities? As if you'd care about that.
And they are subject to the mental poison endemic to that region. It takes a long time and a lot of effort to purge that evil. I can speak from personal experience. It never goes away and it is a constant struggle to shout down that early indoctrination.
Don't believe everything you read. Yes a lot of that is true, but think about your daily life. Do you think all of that stuff really effects who your friends are, things you do with your family, the house you live in? The kind of things that effect your daily life, probably effect it no matter where you live (increased food prices, interest rates, etc.). Plus there's hope that one day DeSantis will be gone and maybe a lot of those things will turn around. In the mean time...
I freely admit I'm sick of living in Florida, mostly for the reasons in the article and the dreadful heat, yes. But there's a lot of good in Florida too. We have year round outdoor activities, regular launches into outer space, theme parks, pretty good beaches, no state income tax, lots of sunshine and hey at least were not Mississippi.
Just remember the source and the criteria used to make that judgment. Every place has pluses and minuses.
Ummm, your kind of rude. You're making judgements about my education because of one typo, as if autocorrect didn't exist. You know nothing about me. Plus nearly all of your arguments essentially say that the positive things about Florida don't count because those positive things also exist elsewhere. Haters gonna hate I guess.
In case you weren't aware, taxes and insurance are not the same thing.
But you know what, you're probably all right and I'm probably all wrong, so you've got that going for you. I apologize that my opinion differs from yours.
I think they probably just forgot to look at Mississippi. It gets routinely ignored by media of all types. Most of the same stuff is going on there with the criteria that they dinged the other Southern states for.
But if you looked at real estate prices and general cost of living as the most important factor for living well, these Southeast states would be kicking ass instead of being "the worst."
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/...
https://www.floridarealtors.org/...
Florida's real estate is very quickly becoming unattainable
The culture war bullshit is doing significant harm to the red states. They're alienating significant segments of the population that, you know, contribute to society, and the only benefit they get in exchange is approval from conservatives, but according to polls the transphobes are a minority even within the right wing.
Do you think all of that stuff really effects who your friends are, things you do with your family, the house you live in?
Literally yes. How is that something you're even questioning?
probably effect it no matter where you live
Of course, but the point here is that some places are effected more than others. My state has very low unemployment, and very low homeless rates. That doesn't mean there's no homelessness and no unemployment, but it's many times less than some other states. Is that a matter of intentional state policy? Probably not. But you are statistically less likely to be homeless or unemployed here. Making matters worse, the median income in my state is $10k higher than the median income of Florida (basically a 1/3rd increase), and the median household income is $20k higher (a 35% increase). That's nearly the equivalent of having an entire additional income in a household in Florida.
no state income tax
My state also doesn't have one of those, and we don't get leveled by hurricanes at an increasing rate while the salt content in our water table rises.
at least were not Mississippi
Compared to my state, mathematically there's almost nothing separating you from Mississippi. Your population is higher but your households are just as poor. That's a concern, given the number of shockingly wealthy people that live in Floridian cities. In other words, there isn't much upward mobility in either state.
No state income tax means the richest people scoot by and the poorest pay the biggest share of their income on shitloads of tolls, the highest food prices I've ever seen, retail taxes, and insurance costs that would make your asshole pucker up the second the agent spit out the quote
If you have a lot of money and like poor people to suffer super regressive taxes, then it sounds like a fantastic place
Not Mississippi? You're Mississippi plus tourism and a different name. That's the difference
Oh and if you want a theme park that is actually fun, Ohio is the way to go
It's almost like whether it impacts your daily life depends on two factors (1) are you a targeted minority or (2) you are not a targeted minority but know anyone who is or care about them to any degree.
I don't know why you're getting downvoted. It's like when people talk about "third world countries" as if they're unlivable shitholes that couldn't possibly have any positive aspects. Like you point out, there are many aspects to life that aren't directly tied to politics and generally the day-to-day really isn't that bad. It reeks of elitism and it's alienating.
The part where Republicans are playing the victim about everything now, so if you insult them, You're just an elite liberal
/s if it wasn't obvious
That people are turning their noses up at places where they don't live and assuming that the presence of some bad aspects mean a place is entirely irredeemably bad. Like the person I replied to pointed out, there are day-to-day aspects that often don't intersect with politics and there is some good to be had there, so condescending pitying is not always warranted. You missed the point by going back to focusing back on the bad parts and dismissing the entire place as a shithole because of them.
Red states are shit holes, more news at 11.
Yeah, thanks for that, assholes.
Usually higher mortality in those states
This could be another huge talking point for Democrats, but once again, this great opportunity to ding Republican governance is going to be missed since Democrats are so utterly incompetent to sell their successes and attack their opponents.
The inflation rate has fallen down to 3%, which is one of the lowest in the industrialized world right now. Have there been Democrats all over the news selling that success? No, of course not. Gotta keep those wins well hidden, dontchaknow!
No one thinks we will ever change those in the orange cult. Like zombies, they are long gone and collectively barely have one functioning brain cell.
Dems need to sell their wins to get their base excited - I'm so sick of the brasè attitude that most Dems have regardless of who their candidate is. They could have the most perfect candidate and they are always looking for someone else. They also need to get some independents on board. Neither party can win an election without getting some non-affiliated to vote for them.
UBI is a joke and will only stand in the way of unity. To think the Dems should somehow rally around something that will never, ever happen is a pointless distraction. Might as well rally around the tooth fairy or unicorn and waste more time and energy instead of going after real issues.
True for values where "the entire world" is "Republicans and The Military (also Cops)". So basically... false.
No one cares about swaying hard-core Republicans. They are basically a lost cause. It's about showing the entire rest of the country that Republicans can't govern - aim at swaying those in the middle.
None of the states listed are surprises nor the fact they are all Republican lead states either.
A lot of places do that, they say its because they don't pay as much gas tax (which is true), which generally go toward maintaining roads and such.
I think we all know it doubles as a "liberal tax" though.
The only reasonable tax I could see being applied to an electric car is a weight tax, but that should be for all cars, not just electric. If your cars weighs more, you should pay more, especially at the city level.
More weight means it produces more wear and tear on roads. Not to mention they are more deadly, even at low speeds.
But I doubt this would happen in Mississippi lol
While true, it should be proportional to the damage.
There's a reason why semis, construction, and plows deal 99% of the damage to highways lol.
While you can say everyone benefits from semi transportation... There are tons of people who'd prefer proper rail transit upgrades and infrastructure... So they'll shoot down rail upgrades while also subsidizing truck damage lol.
One analysis contends freight-hauling trucks cause 99 percent of wear-and-tear on US roads, but only pay for 35 percent of the maintenance.
https://urbanmilwaukee.com/...
Remember when Republicans tried to get bicyclists to pay their fair share of road damage? Lol.
Lived there for decades, have to agree.
You have very few rights as a worker. Pay is dogshit, even for better jobs. Life there sucks even if you're well off. Doesn't matter if you're rich, poor, left, right, black or white, it's gon' suck donkey balls being there.
Still made the best of my time there but now I've moved to Northern Europe and the difference is night and day.
I also thought Florida would be much higher.
Weird it’s the south east whodathunkit.
It is weird, because the entire point of racist ideology in America has historically been for personal gain by slaveowners, but now it's just objectively hurting their states' economies. Are they really getting that much benefit from exploitation like prison labor and such, or are they just so stuck in their ways that they'd rather feel powerful over others at their own expense?
I guess we wouldn't have LeopardsAteMyFace if it wasn't :/
Lost the Civil War and still losing today. "Loser" has become such a generic insult that it obscures the literally losing nature of so many people that live in this area.
Never thought about loser actually being derogatory towards those of the south east.
Of course Indiana is one of them. Fuck.
I actually moved back to Indiana from California after growing up here. And I'm glad I did it because my daughter gets to see her grandparents and I got to spend time with my father before he died. I also get to support my mother now that she's in her 80s. But I really hate a lot about this state.
Every year I get a little bit happier to live in a major metro area in Indiana so that I dodge the majority experience of the state.
But man it still doesn't help me feel better about my state. I wish rural Hoosiers would wake up and realize they could have it better
Stuck in Missouri taking care of my grandparents and my wife's parents. I've been wanting to move out of this shithole since I was 13. Now, I have to worry about reproductive issues with my high risk wife as it seems like we are hunkering down here entering our 30s.
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Where is WV? We are always on lists like this
I gotta say while I'm not happy with Texas decisions and there's a lot of bs there it doesn't seem even as bad as Florida much less Alabama and Mississippi.
Texans are some of the most delusional people on the planet.
The fact they think their state even holds a candle to Florida is laughable.
People live in Texas for one reason: tax breaks.
The only other state worse than Texas is Louisiana. Everyone in the nation agrees except Texans.
Oklahoma is worse. They're basically K-mart Texas.
must have offended a Floridian?
look I'm by no means saying Texas doesn't deserve a spot on this list, but saying that Texas banning gender affirming care is somehow not as bad as government sanctioned kidnapping of trans kids in Florida is what's delusional.
Here here! You are 100% right! I hope people stop moving here in droves, it really does suck.
English is not my first language, but I think it is "hear, hear". This would akin to "listen, this is true!" rather than stating where you currently are 😀
This list seems just a little bit skewed. I'm left of center but I feel like it should've been called 10 worst states if youre, and followed it up with any number of marginalized persons. And that's fine, just want to know the metric we are talking about.
You may be forgetting the fact that 50ish percent of the population has a uterus. Even some of those without one have partners with one and value their partner having access to the Healthcare they need or may need at some point.
yeah I mean I would consider myself left of most of the Democratic party but you can take a look at their weightings on the metrics they used and you can see why they got the answer they did even if we'd quibble about specific state placement.
cost of doing business and business friendliness collectively makeup 20% of their weighting and cost of living and education only make up 7% total.
seems like on a list that focuses on inclusivity that they would also focus on basic needs for families but for some reason they valued basic needs for businesses at 3x families.
overall, I think in order to trust this list, I would need to lower focus on businesses and increase focus on things such as education and immigration. Texas would do poorly in both of those things but so would a lot of other states. I definitely believe it deserves a place on this list, but I don't think it would end up #1.
they're methodology summary:
- Workforce (400 points – 16%)
- Infrastructure (390 points – 15.6%)
- Economy (360 points – 14.4%)
- Life, Health & Inclusion (350 points – 14%)
- Cost of Doing Business (290 points – 11.6%)
- Technology & Innovation (270 points – 10.8%)
- Business Friendliness (215 points – 8.6%)
- Education (125 points – 5%)
- Access to Capital (50 points – 2%)
- Cost of Living (50 points – 2%)
Paraphrasing the waiter rule: a state that abuses any of it's residents is not a nice state. Yes, quality of life is a relative scale, but I think it's fair to put the states actively making worse the lives of it's citizens (marginalized or not) at the bottom of the list.
The American South has been reeling since the years following the Civil War. The economic strength of the Southern States was so tied up in agricultural slavery. When that system was dismantled it left a big hole in the fabric of those states socially, economically, politically. All of that resentment never went away it just changed forms over the years and turned into law and public policy. It's easy to forget that the Civil War was not that long ago, not in terms of human social development in any case.
It doesn't help that we elected qn apologist who decided to welcome them back with open arms not so long after the Civil War. Instead of adapting to the situation they were in, post-war, they ended up sucking on the feds that while they got equal representation as the non-slave states.
That's not what happened. Johnson became president when Lincoln was assassinated and at that time the president and VP didn't run on a single ticket and instead the VP slot went to the presidential runner-up, who, of course, was from the opposition. So we didn't really elect Johnson; we elected Lincoln, but John Wilkes Booth happened and he fucked us for generations.
The article explicitly states one of the evaluation criteria is as follows:
So we consider inclusiveness in state laws by measuring protections against discrimination, as well as voting rights.
I'm guessing this is what led to the outcome the post title is highlighting.
The article explains each position.
They're listed as the worst because this is basically just a political hit piece. They've defined the criteria for "best" to align with policy the democrats push and Republicans don't. It's hardly anything except a list of states that democrats agree with (or in the case of the bottom 10, don't agree with)
This is the hottest take. Which OANN show did you see this on?
It's in their own methodology:
We look at inclusiveness in state laws, including protections against discrimination of all kinds
And with surveys showing a sizeable percentage of women considering reproductive rights in deciding where they are willing to live and work, we factor abortion laws into this category as well.
That category is the 4th highest weighted category in their methodology, 0.4% behind "Economy". So basically if abortion isn't legal or if "gender affirming healthcare" isn't legal, you lose in the 4th largest category and will be down the bottom.
Look at the list and their "weaknesses"
10: Inclusiveness, Reproductive Rights
9: Crime, Inclusiveness, Reproductive Rights, Health Care
8: Inclusiveness, Crime, Voting Rights
7: Childcare, Inclusiveness
6: Voting Rights, Reproductive Rights, Crime
5 & 4: Voting Rights, Worker Protections, Inclusiveness, Health / Health, Worker Protections, Inclusiveness, Crime, Voting Rights
3: Child Care, Crime, Reproductive Rights
2: Reproductive Rights, Health, Voting Rights
1: Reproductive Rights, Health, Voting Rights, Worker Protections, Inclusiveness
Literally every single one of them is inclusiveness and/or reproductive rights, ie. Gender Affirming Care and Abortion.
They even go so far as to pretty obviously say this is why they are the bottom 10 - on every one of them they list only their Life, Health & Inclusion Score. Nothing about the Economy score, the Infrastructure score, or the Workforce score. Nothing about cost of business score, business friendliness score, or Education score - just "Life, Health, and Inclusion Score" as if that's the only thing that matters.
Also - what is an "OANN show"?
That category is the 4th highest weighted category in their methodology, 0.4% behind “Economy”. So basically if abortion isn’t legal or if “gender affirming healthcare” isn’t legal, you lose in the 4th largest category and will be down the bottom.
Where it fucking belongs.
Whether you think this has a political bias or not, no matter what whose list you look up, they all basically say the same thing.
Why, because quality of living and working is not impacted at all by degrees of inclusiveness and reproductive rights? I guess it depends on whether you would personally be affected, or lack any ability to emphasize or care about others.
Also, the category is called "Life, Health, and Inclusion".
That accounts for 14% according to their posted scoring system. https://www.cnbc.com/...
Imagine being so privileged as to see this as an unimportant metric. I truly am envious.
Oh boo hoo
They make the link between inclusiveness/reproductive rights to living and working in a state clear right at the top of the article:
Each year, as part of our overall assessment of state business climates, CNBC’s America’s Top States for Business study considers how welcoming each state is to workers and their families.
Life, Health and Inclusion is one of the study’s ten categories of competitiveness. And this year, with the nationwide worker shortage so severe, the category is taking on increased importance in our methodology.
We consider multiple quality of life factors, including crime rates, environmental quality, and health care. We also look at the quality and availability of childcare, which is one of the most important factors in getting parents back into the workforce.
Casting the widest possible net for workers means not turning anyone away. So we consider inclusiveness in state laws by measuring protections against discrimination, as well as voting rights. And with surveys showing a substantial percentage of women considering abortion restrictions when making a choice of where to live in the wake of the Supreme Court overturning Roe v. Wade, reproductive rights are part of this year’s equation as well.
If by "don't see anything" you ignore crime, health, workers' rights. Sure
But since you asked, they're amongst the lowest average/median salaries in the country. I'm sure access to good medical care is an imaginary thing, and will only get worse as doctors avoid working there due to patients' rights that you're so flippant about
Good, stay the fuck out! Stay in your own shit holes.
Flop Florida and Tennessee, and bump Mississippi to the top. Florida is way worse than Tennessee, so glad I left the one for the other. Still need to find somewhere better long term though.
If you want to stay on the east, New England, New Jersey, DC, Virginia(Virginia's the weakest of these options). West coast: Cali, PNW, Colorado. Michigan gets an honorable mention due to the whirlwind of progressive legislation they've been passing lately. Along with the more favorable weather they will have long term as climate change destroys the rest of the country. Illinois is apparently pretty ok too but I don't know much about the state. Source: I'm looking to GTFO of Florida next year and have been reading up on these states for a few months now
E: here's a tool that helped me get started with my research
Have to stay in Eastern time zone. Initially I was looking at NC, but that has gone downhill lately. My kid wants us to look at Vermont or Maine, but I'm leaning towards Virginia. We tend to avoid large cities, so NJ and DC are out.
Vermont's gonna be a rough one to move to, they have one of the worst housing shortages in the country atm. Maine might be a good pick, you may want to check out Connecticut too, that's the one I'm leaning more towards. The towns are small, but close to one another so you get the benefits of a city with a more small town feel. Cost of living is reasonable, schools are good, pretty progressive govt. It checks a lot of my boxes and I get the feeling it might do the same for you.
Ridiculous study. Nothing about climate, taxes, real estate, schools, natural amenities.
Ahh yes, because health care and crime isn't important to consider 🙄
Ahh yes a scientific unbiased source. Very nice.
Lack of bias.
Projection isn't a river in Egypt
you know the title of this post had me thinking: is it intentionally directing people to pin all faults to republicans; and that democrats means freedom and good lives ? i mean no party is perfect, but from what I am seeing, it is more pro-Democrats in here
Tech people will almost always be progressives. This is the way it'll probably always be.
USA only have two "real" parties. The republican party who is now seen as regressive and the Democrat party who are seen as progressive (they used to be the opposite back in the day)
To me, the word "freedom" is toxic and a non-starter. Most western societies are free.
Coming from a country with many parties, having only two options is undemocratic. Affiliating with only one is reductive, especially when the parties change course all the time.
So, to respond to your comment:
Both parties are a bit shit, as they don't need to self-regulate because of their duopoly.
Democrats are more progressive than republicans, thus people with higher educations will gravitate this way.
No voting system is perfect, but FPTP is one of the worst, and imo is the main reason for the culture wars - which is virtue signaling fluff to keep the poor angry (doesn't matter which side they're angry with) by making them stop voting based on wealth redistribution, and instead on issues invented by politicians to keep the gravy train running.
"... and up next: the 7 signs you're getting older". Pfff, whatever dude.
And why should I give a singular fuck about cnbc's list of personal preferences?
You shouldn't, and neither should anyone else. Most people who care are either looking at this list and saying to themselves or elsewhere "this is biased bullshit" of some type of "this validates things I already believe", and those aren't mutually exclusive.
Judging a place to live by a limited set of statistics is fairly useless.
https://www.pods.ca/fr/blog/2023/05/moving-trends
Can anyone explain why this says the exact opposite?
Why are they leaving Dem states for Rep states if they're so great to live in?
Maybe the people moving aren't great people?
Yes, it's because they're not great people. Definitely nothing to do with the horrific cost of living due to higher rent and state taxes in blue states.
Not because they want to unless they like a lower quality of life, want to be allowed to oppress people, or prefer to be around crazy racists lol
Lmao you live in a bubble, bud. Most people that are moving here are families who left due to increased cost of living from shitty policies made by democrat governors.
Do you have a source for that?
Is this a troll question? The metrics used are so different it's not even about the same thing.
I used pods to move from California to SC because I can work remotely, get paid a CA wage, could afford a house for the first time, while living close to family in SC.
Covid lockdowns in big cities made them feel much smaller and that started to feel a little claustrophobic- living in a tiny apartment, not really leaving that much. At least there’s more room to stretch out in smaller cities, but now that things are seemingly going back to normal (not that I think SC had any shifts in that aspect to begin with), I’d much rather be somewhere that doesn’t feel so hostile.
That being said, after a couple years of being here the vibes here are bad and I intend on moving possibly to Minneapolis as soon as I can.
why don't you post this in a us community. I don't give a shit about this.
This is a U.S. community. Did you read the description?
Aww gee, more bashing of the right by the tolerant left. If it weren't for double standards liberals wouldn't have any standards at all.
Keep your crime and needle infested streets see if I give a shit. We're headed towards balkanization anyways as it is. I don't give a fuck about you just don't live near me.
It cannot be possible that anyone still exists who hasn't heard of the Paradox of Tolerance.
I know right? I got exhausted just reading it, poor guy has to actually live like that.
Dude, I pass by ten homeless folks on my 7 minute commute every day.
I live in the suburbs.
Guess what city I live in.
Don't care.
This title is misleading. Inclusiveness was the predominant negative. I'm sorry but that's not going to be everyone's biggest concern. Example, of new parents are looking for the best place to raise their kids they are (and should) prioritize childcare. Now double check that list, what states had childcare as a pro...
Or, you can stop virtue signaling and being a prick, and realize you pointed out the real crux of this is the overall generalized statements they made in this 'research'. Where is the raw data, why isn't this open for peer review? Why are so many things grouped together? Are they grouped together? Who and why are thing weighed the way they are. Why is their opinion now some standard? Because you happen to agree with it? That's bullshit and is just confirmation bias. Also, your statement assumes the child will for sure be trans. Also also, instead of worrying about the here and now and working towards change for a better future, na, let's base decisions on a distance future we don't know based only on the politics of today.
But what do I know, I'm clearly not clairvoyant like yourself. So my original statement stands, misleading title.
Yeah, take your ball and go home. Notice you aren't banned. You're cowering to your little corner because you can't actually argue your 'side' reasonably. You're just whining that you think factual information is somehow biased.
There are people who actually tried to discuss with you. You ignored them and wallowed in your victim complex instead. You could block those who you feel are insulting you and engage with the actual attempts for a conversation, like any normal person would.
Why is it always people crying the loudest about no discussion who bail the moment they are confronted for their BS?
Also: No one gives a shit about downvotes or upvotes on Lemmy. Karma literally doesn’t exist here.
If you think disagreeing equals silencing, you should not be on the internet at all.
Aww, somebody got their feefees hurt because their opinion was politely disagreed with.
We're all really sad to see you go. Back to Reddit with you.
We are?
Reading the article makes it blatantly obvious that it's judged heavily based on metrics that are designed to favor things the democrats want
Lol crying about nonsense voting rights and demanding government child care are massive democrat talking points. What rock have you been under?
It’s democrats ranking states based off their policies, so of course the Republican states will all be at the bottom lol.
Headline should be: “Democrats say Republican states are worst states to live in”.
We should be posting political articles that aren’t clickbait echo chamber propaganda. Don’t let this become Reddits /r/politics, which was REALLY /r/democrats
You didn't even read their metrics did you? It's based on crime rates, healthcare, quality of health, etc. Those are pretty objective measures, and ones that republican-controlled states often fight against (see: reluctance to expand medicaid).
It’s mostly influenced by abortion and trans gender policies though. It’s click bait and political click bait.
Here's a completely unbiased excerpt about the "worst" state of Texas:
The Lone Star State keeps hacking away at inclusiveness, with laws targeting the LGBTQ+ population, voting rights, and the nation’s strictest abortion ban. Yes, there are enormous economic opportunities in Texas, and it is attracting people from far and wide. But this state also has some Texas-sized issues when it comes to life, health and inclusion. And it is one of the reasons that the state fell out of the overall top five for the first time in the 16-year history of CNBC’s rankings.
Are you trying to say that laws that impact people's control over their identity are ok?
Just that the article happens to align "good" with the Democratic party's top social stances. I find it extremely hard to believe that the state that left-leaning people are flocking to is the worst in the nation.
Look, I'm all for equal rights for everyone and the government staying out of people's personal lives. I just don't want the constant propaganda.
Um. Yes. It fucking SUCKS to be a woman, LGBTQ+ + community member, or a minority here in Texas. Good luck if you're all 3.
This state is a steaming pile of shit and a blight on America. I wish it would secede, but only after the government offers refugee status to those of us who are sane and want to leave.
Then Texas can take its misogynistic, racist, bigoted, xenophobic self and go create its own country. And it can take Florida with it!
Criticizing blatant propaganda isn't fascism.
Lay it on us then. You've brought such riveting commentary so far about "jew propaganda", so why don't you educate us all?
Powerful and continuing nationalism Disdain for human rights Identification of enemies as a unifying cause Rampant sexism Controlled mass media Obsession with national security Religion and government intertwined Corporate power protected Labor power suppressed Disdain for intellectual and the arts Obsession with crime and punishment Rampant cronyism and corruption
Oh, and fuck off. 🖕
Can you provide a ranking where you would say these states would come out top? What kind of metric would you like to see being used?
Ok, let’s be objective and use the “Republican-biased” business website state rankings that took its rankings from WalletHub and focuses on the BEST states for “affordability, economy, education/health, quality of life and safety”.
Holy shit, liberal darling, land of Romneycare, Massachusetts is #1. Followed by…New Jersey…and…New York.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/...
Maybe Fox Business isn’t conservative enough anymore? I guess I need to start looking on the Q-Anon forums for a state ranking.
I don't feel like doing enough data analysis to get a perfect flip of these 10 being on top, but you could use criteria like low tax rates, abortion restrictions, and loose gun laws, and get a pretty solid inverse list.
The better question is what value do these lists have outside of getting a bunch of people who already agree with it circle jerking over how the incredibly biased list proves they're right?
You had me in the first half.
It is skewed and should say that it's terrible for liberals, not MAGA folks
You lost me at /r/politics being a democratic e ho chamber. That's silly. Sounds like you might be happier in truth social.
I was really hoping this wouldn’t be Reddit /r/politics but it seems like the infestation has begun. Might as well change the community name to Democrats and not politics if it’s going to be the same as Reddit. Otherwise let’s keep “politics” an actual balance of actual discussion and not an echo chamber.
If there’s a problem with my comment to you, you’re the problem. Nothing I said was offensive or bad.
It's almost like the majority of people are not republican.
Your policies are murdering my friends and an entire gender while stripping away our rights at every chance you can get.
❄️ s: Why can't I say anything without people telling me to eat my fascist shit!? I just want to be civil!
candio
Your friends are killing themselves because you don’t want to give them the medical help they need, you are fully responsible for that and one day you’ll realize that
What does that even mean lol? Is this some weird Fox talking point I've never heard of?
Probably because anyone who had opposing thoughts are shunned as evil without any opportunity for civil discussion, so they vote in silence and don’t speak their opinions.
So, you are saying these things are happening yet here you are speaking you opinion. You get to disagree with people just as people get to disagree with you. Say what you want, but understand there are consequences and you don't get to dictate what those are if they make you feel bad.
But I’ve said nothing wrong yet the shunning has already begun. Literally what’s the difference between this and nazi germany or the CCP?
What have I said that is so bad that deserves the “consequences” you’re talking about? All I ask is people don’t just live in a hive mind and shun people if they haven’t done anything worth shunning. I feel like I’m the only one with open eyes and ears here. I don’t shun liberals. I only shun if people say stupid things. Why can’t it be the same from everyone.
Honest question - do you think there are more conservatives than liberals in the US?
How do you think republican candidates would fare without gerrymandering and the current state of the electoral college?
Go ahead. Tell us why you love having little access to childcare, healthcare, and worker's rights.
So what you're saying is more popular opinions are probably more popular with the public... Hmmm.
Also, if you cared about karma on reddit and you care about karma on Lemmy... And both places hate republican policy... Maybe that's a sign that their policies are literal fascist nationalist Christian shit that people don't like. If you feel like your opinion is dragged through the mud everywhere but your dark corners and echo chambers... Maybe it belongs there lol.
What people are experiencing in the lifting of civil discussion because democrats know better now. Republicans don't care about civil discussion and they weaponize hypocrisy like priests weaponize their dicks on choir boys mouths. Lol.
We can’t tell if the “liberal” opinion is more popular though because you guys shun anyone who thinks otherwise. I guarantee you there’s people who don’t think like you, that just agrees with you cause they don’t wanna deal with the backlash. And it’s sad af that that’s where this country is at. Im not understanding how “be more respectful” is turning into such a huge deal here.
I care about civil discussion, I’m doing it right now. I’ve insulted no one and I’ve been insulted 20 times in 10 minutes so far.
Republicans care about civil discussion, they just don’t discuss because you guys do nothing but attack. You don’t have to listen to me but this is the universal truth, both online and in person.
There is no penalty for having an unpopular comment. It's politics, most comments will be unpopular. I think the issue you are having is that the majority of people below the age of 65 lean liberal by a wide amount. Most Conservative views these days are hate-filled and or violent. That kind of talk doesn't appeal to the wider population.
Does that mean if we keep downloading downvoting you you'll leave?
Of course not. He'll just whine louder.
By all means feel free to post something to this community to generate the discussion you’re looking for Mike!
So far you’ve posted nothing, to any community.
“You haven’t spent your time posting to Lemmy how dare you!”
Ok….? This is the first time politics showed up on my feed, and looks like it’s going to be the last time. Just like r/politics
You quoted something I didn’t say. If that’s the attitude and quality of discussion you’re looking to bring then by all means block this community from your Lemmy experience.
…starts with a dizzying triple combo of ad hominem (democrats are infestations), straw-man (arguing that the commenters are bad instead of focusing on the article we’re commenting on), and association (all folks who disagree with me are bad).
…then demands fair and elevated discourse and complains when it’s not offered.
I might have been part of the problem in /r/politics, but your message leaves out the “treat others how you wish to be treated” lesson that is also frequently lacking in the policies of the states in the article.
Literally proving my point lol. Thanks I guess.
Guns per capita, biggest fish caught, and hunting licenses allowed per year, most like.
Oooo boooy, Alabama gets an extra Senate seat cuz Jimbo caught a monster catfish, with just his bare hands!
That's the kind of leadership and intelligence we need around here. Atta boy Jimbo.
biggest fish caught
Everyone lies about that so it's not a reliable metric. I'd say fewest teeth per capita or just overall chewing tobacco sales.
Everyone lies about that
It's just a campaign promise, bro!
Not sure what kind of discussion you're wanting to see, but I feel like a lot of current discussion that would be considered non-left-biased is over things like "do trans people deserve to exist?" and I don't think those are discussions worth having.
Lol get down off the cross
What do you want? Should people on the left not post here in the interest of balance? Maybe they can LARP as republicans so you don’t get triggered, would that help?
Maybe just stick to posting things of a higher quality than just circle jerking democrats?
Why is it that only one parties flaws are ever discussed and never the other ones?
Cool way to avoid the question with another question. Very engaging.
This is why people shouldn’t engage with people like you. Don’t act surprised when you’re simply ignored by rational people in the future.
You know what I said is true.
If you think a party has flaws which aren't being discussed, then discuss them. Stop whining about a flaw not being discussed and make a post about that flaw. That's how discussion happens.
People will read your evidence and analysis of the flaw and upvote you if they agree or downvote you if they disagree. They will not upvote or downvote you and ignore the post if they want to shun your opinion.
I was really hoping this wouldn’t be Reddit /r/politics but it seems like the infestation has begun.
Yes, we've already seen an influx of conservatives that whine that everywhere isn't stomfront-y enough for their liking.
Thanks for letting me know I'm not alone. They're doing what they do with every platform: preemptively whining that it's so unfair that bigotry isn't treated with fawning worship in the hopes that if they gripe frequently enough, the mods will internalize it and start protecting bigotry under the guise of civility.
We have plenty of comments for all sides of the political spectrum here. The only things that get removed are calls for violence, hate, or comments that are not civil toward community members.
Interesting how the constant slanderous accusations of fascism being thrown around don't qualify as "not civil"
Don't you assholes have Twitter and Truth to go whine and cry on?
They are paid to spread propaganda
Paid by whom?
They are not paid, they have been groomed to think their point of view is the majority. It's not.
I'm still deciding if I should block this community.
You have to remember you’re interacting with people from around the world, and people who skew ‘younger-than-boomer’.
Given both of those things, a general left leaning bias should be expected.
I have a general left leaning bias. r/politics was a whole other level. I try to avoid the loonies from either side.
As the leftiest leftist that ever lefted a left, nazis and people who want Medicare for All are morally equivalent.
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