Well, hypothetical speaking, if there were two completely absolutely identical jobs, but the one had a ping pong table. I might choose the one without and ask them to get a Foosball table, since I'm no good at ping pong.

Most places that have HR like this work their employees too hard for them to have time to use a ping pong table anyway, so it's really just a hollow gesture.

Indeed.

It's telling that "basic dignity" or "managers who aren't dicks" didn't make the list.

Ping pong tables are loud as fuck and disrupt the whole office. If they invest in a soundproof room to put it in, sure. Otherwise it just makes you feel like a massive douche.

I wanted a foosball table dammit!

My last job had a pingpong table. We'd even use it occasionally. That is, until people started getting pissy when they'd see us playing pingpong. Then management started bitching that we were playing pingpong instead of working. Eventually, nobody was allowed to use the pingpong table - it just sat there, in the middle of the room, with brand new paddles and packs of balls that we weren't allowed to use.

The money was okay - not great, but not terrible. After some management fuckery, I left for a $10000/yr raise and 100% work from home. I've gone up $20K since then, been promoted to senior, still have upward trajectory, and still work 100% from home. I have a desk in Memphis somewhere, but I've never actually seen it.

It is if you're managing an Olympic ping pong team

It’s always about autonomy, one way or another. People want to be able to control how they work and what they can get out of it. For some that does mean more money, for some it would mean less stress, for others it could means less meetings.

It’s pretty easy for management to address all of it by just giving people more power over what their work lives are like, but that could mean less control over their workforce. No “owner” wants that, to them, they own their employees’ time/work life.

My employer really covered their bases. We have ping-pong, pool, and foosball. That guarantees that everyone has something that will keep them from quitting.

I was at my last job for 10 years.

If I had been well paid and treated well I would not have ever started that job search. Further even just having one of those two thing might have kept me from looking.

At that job I hit the tipping point of both. It’s was getting shittier everyday and the pay wasn’t budging year after year. Finally mid-Covid the power flipped to the employee and jobs were much easier to get. I started looking and jumped shipped.

It’s not ever not about the money around 0% of the times.

This

I don't see pizza party or ping pong table on that list so you're obviously not a professional.

A real professional knows employees want pizza parties instead of higher pay and they want more responsibilities with the same pay!

:P

My top reasons for leaving a job:

• Too little pay
• Too many responsibilities
• The possibility of career progression

The three Big Nos. My optimal work-life balance is 0.1-99.9. If they trust me to be able to do even one thing, that pay better be huge.

Almost all of these applied to the last job I left, so I guess it's pretty spot on.

So ping pong table falls under the third point right? More ping pong = more fun = better culture? Right? /s just for clarity

Obviously right? I mean this post is definitely a joke

you really a pro, I'm looking for other jobs precisely because of 1 and 2, even though the rest are all great at my current job

What field?

There’s some new research that shows raising pay is not great for retention. Studies say it’s better to take that money and put it into a long-term benefit line a pension, profit sharing, while life insurance with a cash out value, etc.

Raises and bonuses had about a 3-month effect.

One of the best bosses I ever had once told me that people will stay for the culture but leave for money. His philosophy was to try and ensure that money was not a factor in people's decision, then build as good a culture as he could.

And to be clear, by making money not a factor, I mean he paid well.

"Man, my job pays horribly and the benefits barely cover anything, but they have a ping-pong table so it's honestly a tough call."

I struggle to understand how someone could seriously write something like that question without a lack of self-awareness so dire that a walk to the kitchen would come with a near-death experience. It just can't be real.

That was beautifully put.

I think the truth is that it assuming it's the latter may not be enough. But the first two are even less likely. Additional responsibilities WITHOUT a raise is very, very unlikely to be what anyone was waiting for to stick around.

This is what I came to say. Good management will make people stay for a long time with less pay.

But obviously HR doesn't get that lmao.

This is it right here!

Last time a job tried to hire me from my current position, it was all about the money, my company was willing to compete. I stayed with the company.

This time where I'm throwing applications like campaign pamphlets, I'm willing to take a cut in pay.

It is shocking how a year can have a company go to the shitter.

yeah, the "not necessarily pay is accurate, but the "right" answer being ping-pong table pivots things from "ok, they have some understanding" to "incredibly tone deaf".

I mean not enough ping-pong tables could be reason to leave for a PE teacher or something

There's two kinds of money: Enough money, and more than enough money.

If you don't have enough money, that's all that matters. A nicer day at work means very little.

Once you have enough money, more money matters very little. Now it's about enjoying work etc.

Yeah like, cmon, what do you think the pyramid sits on. On the floor??? No, on the holiest of of foosball tables!

It's actually second from the bottom, above Pogs.

Eh, I dunno. You can wipe your tears with money, light cigars with it, sew clothing from it. Many uses! :P

Sounds like you need a Ping Pong table.

others need a bit of distraction like a ping pong table.

That is never the answer. If your business isn't retaining people because the party culture isn't party enough...you've got way bigger problems...and it's probably leadership.

Found that one that wanted the ping pong table.

seriously，who has time to use a ping pong table at work? It's like a decoration to remind you you're not having fun.

I always tell people the easiest way to get a raise is to find a new job. Nobody is keeping up with inflation anymore, it's pretty much required to job hop to break even anymore.

Especially if you know exactly that your employer most likely has zero loyalty to you either.

If there was a way to get the same work for 20% less, my employer would happily do that.

I never understood that logic, tbh. It can't be good for a business to lose half the staff every few years. Bringing in fresh blood once in a while is good, but you shouldn't need constant transfusions.

I interviewed once for a part-time job at a potential startup, and the two people running it spent 75% of the time talking about how they had a pingpong table and how that meant it was a fun company...

The job wouldn't be in the office tho, so for my position (and pretty much every employee) would only be able to use it off the clock.

They were very excited about the ping pong table tho, because their job was in office and they played a lot.

I didn't take the job.

And the startup never opened.

My then gf now wife moved in with me and my employer wouldn't cover her under the insurance. I made it clear that this was important. They wouldn't back down. So got a new job. During the exit interview I repeated what I told them. It was only about the health insurance. HR tried to get me to talk smack about my manager, a guy I actually liked. I praised him and again told them that this was only about insurance.

Told my manager about what they did on the way out the door.

There’s just no way they can make this type of shit up (assuming it’s a real question) without being delusional or sadistic.

Of course there is: they want to implement doublethink. It's a deliberate attempt to make workers not to pursue their own rational interest when it conflicts with corporate profits.

You gotta have hr (the worker who defends the bosses interests) on your side if you wanna drop $300 on a ping pong table rather than raises.

I'm sorry to say but psychopaths walk among us every day, you just need to play the game, until you find a better gig

They are either people in advantageous positions that benefit from this or people that are stupid enough to think they will one day be the rich benefiters of this so why should they shoot their future self in the foot right? Goes hand in hand with people that are stupid enough to keep voting right because they advocate for the poor so at some point surely something will change.

These people live in the future where automatons make money for them for nothing. It's why uber is pushing for automated cars. They don't care about the present.

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When I worked at a soul-crushing insurance job, we were given an event where the bosses served us pancakes. That was right after we were forced to celebrate bosses' day and watch our bosses open gifts that the suck-ups got them. I was able to quit without notice shortly after and it felt so goddamn good.

Absolutely correct. I always wonder when I see such reports where HR comes up with their completely stupid notion that work is not about earning money.

Incorrect right answer a air hockey table you don't want money you want to play the Foosball

Profit sharing can be one hell of an incentive to retain and motivate employees.

More correct answers for retaining employees:

• Have managers that aren't oblivious idiots
• Have even higher-ups that aren't oblivious idiots
• Don't treat employees like easily replaceable money-eating parasites

One of my previous jobs had an employee exercise room. Some people used it and management didn't like that so they said we're not allowed to use it during our shift and only after hours. It was a government position so we weren't allowed to be in the building before or after our shift.

These places only use them to advertise to new employees how "friendly" they are.

I wonder if this is how this whole trend started: some decent manager recognized their hard working well-paid and taken care of team deserved some extra something, got them a pool table or whatnot, then other shittier companies copied this thinking it was a solution in itself without understanding why the thing was installed in the first place

Unless of course your job is to be a ping pong ball tester, in which case you may not be getting supported with the necessary tools to perform your job successfully.

They didn't even take themselves seriously when making the "ping pong table" as the correct answer. HR is a bad joke

"Additional responsibilities" is obviously the correct intended answer.

Don't worry, it's a mandatory team building exercise. 😉

Now give me a raise so I can afford to see the METS BABY YEAH THE METS

My boss had the worst employee satisfaction result ever seen in our group for his department. No surprise, he had oversold himself to get the job and when his idiotic project of redoing everything from the ground up started to be way delayed compared to the unrealistic promises he had made to the board, he asked everyone to go into "crunch mode" for "a short time", work late, Saturdays, and so on. A "short time" became months...

Anyhoo, he asked us, what we could do about his shitty results because the board actually got worried. I reminded him, the work life balance sucked, people were overworked and they didn't see any end to "the crunch" and it had to stop before any other action.

He dismissed my idea and he settled on a team lunch. But since he didn't want to waste work time for "the crunch", he decided to have it on a Sunday and fuck up the only off day for most of the people.

I've never seen a floor of people so angry than the day they got the email about that team lunch.

I told him, he dismissed it again.

That's about when I went into quiet quitting and patiently waited to be fired while pretending to be out on meeting and actually going for walks in the park.

I have quit from more than 10 companies (i'm old), and I'd say that 100% of the time the reason was shitty managers.

But "A raise in pay" would be the best solution to convince to me stay.

Hundred percent. And best indicator for someone to stay is having sn actual friend at the company. So you gotta invest in leadership training and team building.

I’m in France and I confirm. I never left a company because of the salary. It was always because managers were behaving like little Hitlers.

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Definitely not. I've seen these type of questions and answers on practically any job application in America. Thing is, this isn't even the worst example of it, unfortunately. It's fucking depressing and degrading.

Wtf are you talking about? Employees work office jobs 9 to 5 because they love to work. Like all good employee's. Heck, if they weren't getting paid they'd still the work for free because they love it so much. It's only out of the pure goodness of my heart that I decide to pay them minimum wage/s

In fact all three are valid answers. Cruel manipulation as it is, additional even uncompesated responsibilities often do drive retention as people are invested too deep and too stressed out to consider switching or find time for the process.

? We are all in it for the money. How is that being a trouble maker? Money is a motivator and should be used to incentivize performance.

You think that way because they've taught you to think that way. Instead, you should be very plain about your pay expectations. If someone starts getting on your case for being "pay motivated" or some other horseshit HR wageyganda idea, here's what you say.

"I hear what you're saying, and certainly the main drivers in my career goals are broadening my skillset and achieving excellence. However, my life and family goals operate in a capitalist society reliant on me growing my compensation year over year. If this job is unprepared to meet my life goals, then let's be explicit about that so I can reevaluate my plan for my household and decide whether this position is a fit."

In my experience, they're thinking 20-30 cents per hour. And yah, that's never enough to change someone's mind. 20-30% that could make a difference, but it's way too much for them to ever concider.

That's stupid. Wouldn't the smarter thing to do be to buy the ping pong table and Dock everyone's pay because of it? That ping pong table cost the company a fortune. And no, those bite marks on the leg of pool table aren't from my dog/s

Here's a pingpong table. If you are fit enough to play after a 10h shift, knock yourself out. Except that the office closes when you finished your work so, no, it's just decoration.

If definitely seen shit like this on menial job applications in the past. Typically as pary of a "personality test" that tries to root out commies. USA obv

What the list needs is "fire their toxic manager" or "ask them what they need to be happy and successful in their career"

I've seen reference to research showing pretty much what you're saying: Inadequate pay gives dissatisfied employees, but raising pay above a certain level only gives very short term increase in employee satisfaction. The conclusion was that pay has to be high enough that people feel fairly compensated, but further increasing it has little to no long-term effect.

Seriously. Another comment pointed out there's "not enough money" and "enough money" for wages. Depending on which side you're on money may not be the reason someone quits. My previous job paid me enough, but the business partner was so dangerously incompetent, reckless, agressive, and unwilling to do their own job that I quit out of frustration. I made it very clear to my boss' boss that it wasn't about money, and I wasn't going to tell them what my new compensation was. It isn't his business. My issue was the business partner. Within a few months a few other people quit working there too for the same reason.

And has someone who quit over poor compensation, those are exactly the bullshit reasons I told HR on my way out, as to not burn bridges.

When I was younger, at least. Old me doesn't give a shit anymore.

I've heard that people leaving Amazon do so because of the environment/culture there, even though Amazon pays very well.

Are you upvoting yourself with bots or what's going on here? You seem to be making very sure to drive the point that it definitely ISN'T money lol.

Capitalism doesn't require rational behavior; all it requires is a system that allows some people to make passive income by exploiting other people, based on the idea of private property. CEOs, for example, don't care about what's good for the business; they care about extracting as much value from the business and the workers as they can get away with before moving on to the next victim.

Just because you follow overlapping communities doesn't mean everybody else does. As long as the post follows the community policies, there's no problem with posting the same content to multiple appropriately-themed communities.

Bruh. I only posted it one community which I was advised to do so by others. The others are other people sharing this in other communities. There's nothing wrong with sharing posts, in fact it can help people find other communities they might like.

Communism has been around since animals started working collectively toward the good of the group.