oh come on. I don't ever say it outside of meme contexts. I just personally enjoy rolling releases and don't really like the corporate feeling of Fedora, so i'm left with only really Arch as a good option.
Mistiygirl 38 points 3 months ago
Mistiygirl 18 points 3 months ago
No, no don't worry, no offense taken π I should have expected it lol
corsicanguppy 10 points 3 months ago
Fedora is corporate? I nearly spat my coffee ;-)
I'm flashing back to working with suse on unitedlinux and the challenges we had. If you want a very Corporate distro, it's right there.
Never again.
Mistiygirl 19 points 3 months ago
I mean.. fedora is RHEL, which is very corporate
NewNewAugustEast 2 points 3 months ago
Other way around mostly...
Fedora trys stuff first.
Funny that it's not a rolling distro, yet it is often ahead of my cachyos box. It's astounding how fast fedora puts stuff out yet never any effort on my part to manage it. Unlike cachy or even arch.
wonderingwanderer 1 point 3 months ago
I'm getting tired of dispelling this myth, and I don't even use either π
Do people even read? RHEL is downstream from Fedora. They're both forks of Red Hat, but Red Hat β RHEL.
Does this need to be on a billboard or something?
wonderingwanderer 1 point 3 months ago
Alma
VeganCheesecake 4 points 3 months ago
Or, as honourably mentioned, OpenSuSE, specifically tumbleweed.
cockmushroom 1 point 3 months ago
Did you even try void?
Mistiygirl 1 point 3 months ago
No. I've never understood the point of it
cockmushroom 1 point 3 months ago
well, if you were serious in your deduction, one point of it is that arch is not your only option.
Pika 1 point 3 months ago
Fair point, and Void is cool in its own right, but there are good reasons it mostly falls under "obscure" distro category.
First is, of course, the systemd-free nature of it. Linux world absolutely needs systemd-free distros, but your average Linux user simply doesn't know how to handle them properly, and the learning curve is somewhat steep. Besides, everyone and everything comes with an assumption you run systemd, so often times, you'll be on your own figuring out the correct fix.
Second is a relatively small userbase. Void, while not being completely unknown, is not by any means a mainstream distro. We have those - some people still run Slackware, for example - but they quickly fall outside the scope of most users due to a relatively underdeveloped community, which is crucial for a Linux project.
This is why Void is often not even seen as an option.
cockmushroom 2 points 3 months ago
Runit is actually quite simple. If you want a service that your distro packages, you just have to install it and symlink it's directory from (in void's case) /etc/sv/app-or-service to /var/service/app-or-service. Inside that dir you'll find a "run" script and, maybe, a "finish" script that the service manager (sv) will use to initiate and interrupt the service. This is helpful to know if you want to create custom services; i have some for things like brightness, manual tiling, and clipboard management.
twinnie 2 points 3 months ago
Slowroll is my daily. I like it because most distros preach some kind of extreme philosophy, like Arch is ultra bare, Ubuntu et al are super easy, others are bleeding edge or slow and stable. openSUSE is (mostly) absolutely middle-of-the-road with a get-the-job-done kind of attitude I guess it makes it somewhat forgettable but I need the OS to just get out of the way and let me use my computer.
timmytbt 1 point 3 months ago
Started with Debian and still use it on servers. Moved to Arch but recently put Tumbleweed on my old laptop to try it out. Fast becoming a favourite. Like you said, rolling release with automatic snapshots is the best of both worlds.
Bluewing 5 points 3 months ago
SUSE has always kind of been of an also ran in the eyes of a lot of users. I have tried the stable versions before Tumbleweed and I have even used Tumbleweed for a while. It's a solid choice and the user base is awesome.
I really, really, wanted to love SUSE, but there is just something about it that I just don't vibe with. It's a good distro and offers a lot. But it's just a bit uncomfortable like a suit jacket that doesn't quite fit right through the shoulders.
rumschlumpel 1 point 3 months ago
I had a similar experience. Smaller standard repositories, unfamiliar package manager syntax, a package manager that's probably even slower than apt (doesn't matter longterm, but makes learning it more annoying), and I didn't find using the community repositories particularly smooth. Plus I'm always running custom setups with tiling WMs, which is a bad fit for smaller, desktop-focused distros.
agentTeiko 56 points 3 months ago
Debian is where greybeards go to retire things just work once you configured them and you don't need the helping hand of the AUR as you can just build your own packages with aptbuild.
BartyDeCanter 32 points 3 months ago
Hey! My beard isnβt thatβ¦ oh, fuck, I guess it is. Where does the time go?
agentTeiko 18 points 3 months ago
I hear you brother 1998 was just yesterday right?
BladeFederation 9 points 3 months ago
I sure am excited for gaming this year. I saw some adverts in a magazine for Half-Life, Ocarina of Time, and Resident Evil 2 and I can't decide.
azimir 16 points 3 months ago
Shit. I've been on Debian for decades now. Maybe I'm just an old soul... Or I'm just lazy. I don't even configure my DE anymore. The OS install of today will be wiped in no time, so it's not worth being too attached.
agentTeiko 4 points 3 months ago
Same started on OG Suse from a boxed copy I bought in a store that came with a thick manual but then a year later found Debian and have there ever since.
Truscape 10 points 3 months ago
As a youngblood I have heard of the iron stability of Debian, but simply find it difficult to adopt for gaming-related reasons (both hosting and as a game client).
I do wish to one day study the greybeards' work for a future project box, however. That knowledge needs to be part of my generation as well, for at least a few of us.
lemmyvore 6 points 3 months ago
The thing about Debian is that it's really not meant for the bleeding edge, not unless you shim a completely different runtime platform onto it, like Docker or Flatpak (or Proxmox). It shines as a very stable very basic host OS that's limited to just the base functions of the machine and lets the other platform deal with the latest and shiniest releases.
nekusoul 1 point 3 months ago
Yeah. I've been loving it as a rock solid base for a server. Trying to use it as a desktop though? For basic browsing and such, sure, but once you want to do anything complex and require recent packages it becomes a mess.
rumschlumpel 1 point 3 months ago
Debian, but simply find it difficult to adopt for gaming-related reasons (both hosting and as a game client).
I do remember installing a mesa PPA on Ubuntu to play Elden Ring the year it was released, doing the same or similar on Debian stable seems even more of a mess ... I kinda soured on AAA gaming since, though.
ranzispa 5 points 3 months ago
Every time I have to upgrade to a new release I have to go read the instructions on how to do it...
I would appreciate a big button like in fedora "push here to upgrade to Debian sailwind"
Carrot 4 points 3 months ago
Debian is for my homelab, where things randomly breaking would ruin the day of multiple family members. Arch is for my personal machines, where things randomly breaking is an excuse to learn more about my hobby
Mistiygirl 9 points 3 months ago
wow... and what DE do you use with Slackware? I assume you just use pure CLI though
remilia 19 points 3 months ago
haha nah, I use Sawfish WM and a few fbpanel instances, without any compositor. It looks like this for me right now. I've used that basic setup (with various themes) for well over a decade.
KDE and Xfce are what most people use on it, I think...
remilia 5 points 3 months ago
Ahh yeah, that's the music player I've been working on since the beginning of the year called Aika. It's still pretty early on, but it's mostly usable so far, depending on your needs. I mostly use it as my daily player right now, except for a few odd cases (like Opus files).
Aika is a spiritual successor to my other music player, Benben, which looks very similar, but not exact. Aika has some different features and goals, is much easier to build, and is lighter on system resources. But Benben is much more mature and featured complete. My goal is to release Benben v1.0 by years end, put it in maintenance mode, then focus on Aika.
zorro 4 points 3 months ago
Mayhaps this?
TwilightKiddy 1 point 3 months ago
What's up with the text in the wallpaper? I'd think it's slop, but it looks as if someone deliberately made it look borked.
remilia 1 point 3 months ago
I have no idea. I don't necessarily think it's slop (though it could still be)... I think someone just didn't know how to read Japanese. 'Cause like the sign that's advertising coffee and breakfast stuff is correct, and the sign further back labeled "Collisto" and "γγγ£γ" (rest is cut off, I suspect it's γγγ£γγ―) is correct, but the rest are upside down. Though that doesn't explain the upside-down bottle with "Grape Boutique" or whatever on it.
So yeah, fuck if I know, I just found it and kinda liked it for the mood lol
remilia 1 point 3 months ago
Not for everything... but I can point you in some directions:
- GTK theme: orthogonal2, I think I'm using the "darkCold" one with the "dark-darkCold" color scheme. Read through the docs, it's an interesting customization system.
- Sawfish theme (the window decorations): customized version of the built-in "StyleTab" theme. I just picked some colors for the buttons, really. It's StyleTab's "Default" frame and button style, and the "Reduced" color proposals. I believe StyleTab is specific to Sawfish WM.
- Font: Orbitron Medium for the window titles, Avenir LT Std Roman elsewhere.
- Icons: Sours, the Full-Color variant.
- Mouse cursor: Hatsune Miku
- Aika's theme: the "dark-neon-alt" theme that's in my repo, it gets installed with
rake installso just choose it in the config file. - Wallpaper: I dunno, I found it while searching for cyberpunk wallpapers. And yes, half the signs are upside-down XD Here's a copy.
As for the dotfiles I can share, I don't have them in a repo, but I'll put them here:
- ~/.sawfishrc
- ~/.sawfish/custom (you don't edit this by hand normally!)
- Top fbpanel bar config
- Buttom fbpanel bar config
- That amigaos-line.sh script referenced in the top fbpanel config
I think that's everything...
AnUnusualRelic 1 point 3 months ago
twm was good enough for us, we didn't need no stinkin' DE!
TwilightKiddy 4 points 3 months ago
I might have slipped up on my way here, but I'm happy with how it turned out.
::: spoiler image
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corsicanguppy 3 points 3 months ago
I ditched slackware in 98 after the validation issue became starkly problematic.
SLSA.dev .
Siegfried 2 points 3 months ago
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DarrinBrunner 13 points 3 months ago
Ubuntu -> Mint.
I don't know why I'd change, Mint just works. That's all I ever wanted.
fleebleneeble 4 points 3 months ago
Words are very unnecessary
melfie 4 points 3 months ago
I always come back to Mint. Far from just a βbeginner distroβ, itβs a practical and solid choice for anyone devoted to something other than tweaking, perfecting, and personalizing an OS. Not that thereβs anything wrong with that if itβs your passion and you have the time. Personally, I wouldnβt mind making my perfect Arch or NixOS setup, but my free time is limited and there is always something Iβm interested in working on more.
ChristerMLB 2 points 3 months ago
Same, really. I keep trying other distros, and have Kubuntu on my laptop right now, but it's still just a tiny bit too buggy compared to Mint.
alecsargent 12 points 3 months ago
I think that most Arch users that want to move to something stable are considering NixOS or GNU Guix rather than Debian.
Mistiygirl 12 points 3 months ago
Well, maybe i'm not your average Arch user then.. Don't see the appeal in Nix, honestly, and i'm too lazy to learn. What is GNU Guix? Never heard of it.
I'm kinda tinkering with Debian Sid atm.
Skullgrid 7 points 3 months ago
It's strange to see someone move from Ubuntu to Arch, like it, and have aspirations of Debian. Ubuntu to Debian is fairly straightforward, didn't you have to do a bunch of shit to get on and learn arch?
Mistiygirl 6 points 3 months ago
Do you wanna hear the whole backstory?
TrickDacy 2 points 3 months ago
I mean I see the appeal of both. I used arch for a bit then went back to Ubuntu-based actually. Arch is cool and all, but I had some major functionality break a few times. I got tired of tinkering with it. Ubuntu "just works" most of the time. Interested to see what op writes about it too...
fizzle 5 points 3 months ago
I've been a Debian guy for many years and it's unlikely I'll move away in the foreseeable future.
Nix is a package manager and nix-os is an OS built around that package management system.
You can install nix the package manager in debian. I don't use it for installing desktop apps like a browser or office suite, I prefer AppImages for those. However, it's absolutely fantastic for CLI stuff, especially the things you might want as a once off. You can just nix-shell -p <obscure cli tool> and it's just magically there in a new temporary shell, and then cleaned up once you quit that shell. No more adding weird repos to apt, or downloading from github and building, or piping scripts to bash.
There's also home-manager which allows you to define packages and their configurations, and just roll out that state on any machine.
These fancy package management tools (flatpak, AppImage, and nix) have dramatically changed the Debian experience. I used to be forever struggling with the trade off between stability and old versions of things. That's really not the case any more because you don't have to interfere with Debian's conservative methodical ideology around stability in order to install and use all the shiny new things.
clay_pidgin 2 points 3 months ago
That sounds like a good compromise. I am really enjoying NixOs, but I miss the simplicity of Debian. I'll think about your method.
You just installed Nix from APT, I assume, but are you still rebuilding a config.nix every time you make a "permanent" change?
Agreed on nix-shell -p, that's extremely handy.
fizzle 2 points 3 months ago
Yeah so "cleaned up" wasn't completely true.
Nix basically works by installing packages in a store or cache, and then soft linking to the binaries in the cache.
When you exit the temporary shell, the link will no longer exist but the cached package and its dependencies are still there.
You can easily clear that cache but it's not gone instantly when you exit the shell.
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NotEasyBeingGreen 10 points 3 months ago
I worked at a company filled with BSD zealots. Their burning hatred for Linux was all-consuming, bad really put me off of the lot.
Axolotl_cpp 1 point 3 months ago
Why did they hate Linux?
NotEasyBeingGreen 4 points 3 months ago
Lots of different reasons.
Some hated the GPL, viewing it as less free (which is kind of true depending on who's freedom you care about... personally I care about freedom of users and protecting society from large corporations, but you do you BSD fans).
Some disliked the crappy network stack (the superior UDP performance and IPv6 compliance were much touted at the time... although my own benchmarks didn't confirm the BSD folks beliefs there). It may be hard to imagine with all of the innovation in networking layers that continues in Linux now, but that was the situation 20 or 25 years ago.
Further on networking, some disliked the ipchains/iptables (now nftables I guess) firewalling and whined constantly about how much better pf was. My firewalling needs have always been simple (except for whatever horrors Docker forces on me), so I never understood the rage.
Some complained about the terrible threading model in Linux (back before this was essentially solved in Linux, leaving Linux threading far superior to BSD threading).
Some pointed to the plethora of distributions as inferior to the obviously better model of the OS shipping with a blessed set of tools (think FreeBSD "base" or whatever).
Some bemoaned the lack of "jails" in Linux (essentially a primitive form of containers).
Anyway.
I think basically it was just annoyance that people used Linux instead of their favorite.
Axolotl_cpp 1 point 3 months ago
The only one i can understand is the complain with distributions tbh
The one about jails is stupid because containers exist and i don't see how GPL gives less freedom, heck, i'd say that BSD is worse because when you contribute to a project, you are now giving free labor to companies...
remilia 8 points 3 months ago
I've messed around with Dragonfly BSD a bit... it mostly felt familiar to me, and I can potentially see myself using a BSD in the future if I ever needed to jump ship. The multiprocessing and the HAMMER2 filesystem on that one in particular seemed neat. Though obviously I didn't have good GPU support on that particular BSD since I have an nvidia card XD
azimir 2 points 3 months ago
I did a tour with OpenBSD about 2000-2004. It works just fine, with a much reduced ecosystem of pre built packages, just because of the quantity of devs around.
I saw Dragonfly when it started and I'm glad to hear it's still going. The idea held a lot of promise.
AnUnusualRelic 2 points 3 months ago
The only real reason to use a BSD is if you use a dedicated system for something like serving files, or some embedded stuff that requires to poke at its innards. As a general purpose machine, it's way, way more limited than Linux. You'll find yourself very constrained by the hardware and some of the software support. But there are lots of nifty toys, so if you have a spare machine and want to play with it, by all means, it's certainly worth your time.
cybervegan 9 points 3 months ago
Favorite: Debian Stable (For my uses, it was the least trouble)
First: Slackware (1995, installed from floppy disks, also a short stretch in 2009)
Current: Linux Mint Debian Edition (LMDE) (Using because I need to support users on stock Mint)
Distro you liked the least: Novell SuSE (Used in a corporate setting)
Distro you want to use in the future: Unknown
Distro you used for the longest time: Debian Stable (15 years)
Distro everyone likes but I donβt: Ubuntu
Honorable mention: DietPi (RaspberryPi and SBC focused OS)
Over time, I've used quite a lot of different distros: Red Hat, Red Hat Enterprise, Scientific, CENTOS, Fedora, Mandrake, Damn Small, Puppy, CrashBang, Raspbian, Bazzite, to name just the ones I can remember off the top of my head now.
Allero 2 points 3 months ago
Are LMDE and stock Mint close enough in versions and features that you can always efficiently support stock Mint users?
Also, is the base Mint software updated regularly, or does it depend on the Debian 2-year cycle?
cybervegan 2 points 3 months ago
Yes as far as I've found so far, the features track quite well, and I'm really aiming to get proficient with the standard interface. I've found a few minor differences, but I tried stock Mint (which is Ubuntu 20.04 based) for a while, and I didn't want to go backwards from Trixie (the current Stable Debian version) so I opted for LMDE which is based on Trixie. I use Debian Stable because of the "2-year cycle" (that's why it's called stable); Because stock Mint tracks the latest LTS release of Ubuntu, it's actually a fair bit more out of date than Debian at this stage, and the next Mint version, based on the new LTE Ubuntu, isn't slated to come out until December.
So far it's not been too bad for a hybrid system - I have had a couple of issues, but this is most likely attributable to being a hybrid. I've found that I like Cinnamon, which stock Debian does not (as far as I know) support yet - I have used MATE for about 15 years because I don't get on with Gnome 3 or KDE. You get all the nice things about Mint that I found impressive when I tested it - the printer and scanner support is very good, and the configuration utilities are quite reminiscent of Windows ones (good for new users, but I personally don't care). Still not sure if I'm going to stick with it long-term, but happy with it for now - I largely stopped distro-hopping when I switched to MATE.
Allero 1 point 3 months ago
Thanks for sharing!
As per Cinnamon on Debian - I certainly remember installing Cinnamon version of Debian 12 ("Bookworm"), so it does exist, unless it was removed in Trixie. Check the installer options :)
frostlytt 9 points 3 months ago
favorite: chimera linux <3 currently using: gentoo least favorite: ubuntu
ever since i tried to apt install firefox and was instead given the snap version without even being asked permission i gave up on ubuntu then and there
i_love_FFT 1 point 3 months ago
Ever since snap arrived, I switched to Debian.
The only thing I dislike about Debian is that there is no "server/headless install image" available, so it's not a big deal.
Skullgrid 1 point 3 months ago
I'm spinning up a vm right now just for you, but I think the netinstall allows bare, DE less
https://www.debian.org/CD/netinst/
EDIT : I did a dump of the 200+ packages it has, but IDK how to get it out of there... oh wait.
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Skullgrid 1 point 3 months ago
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I modified my reply, here's the rest of the packages.
spoiler
openssl-provider-legacy/stable,stable-security,now 3.5.6-1~deb13u2 amd64 [installed]
os-prober/stable,now 1.83 amd64 [installed]
passwd/stable,now 1:4.17.4-2 amd64 [installed]
pci.ids/stable,now 0.0~2025.06.09-1 all [installed,automatic]
pciutils/stable,now 1:3.13.0-2 amd64 [installed]
perl-base/stable,now 5.40.1-6 amd64 [installed]
procps/stable,now 2:4.0.4-9 amd64 [installed]
qemu-guest-agent/stable,now 1:10.0.11+ds-0+deb13u1 amd64 [installed]
readline-common/stable,now 8.2-6 all [installed]
sed/stable,now 4.9-2+deb13u1 amd64 [installed]
sensible-utils/stable,now 0.0.25 all [installed]
shared-mime-info/stable,now 2.4-5+b2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
sqv/stable,now 1.3.0-3+b2 amd64 [installed]
sudo/stable,now 1.9.16p2-3+deb13u2 amd64 [installed]
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sysvinit-utils/stable,now 3.14-4 amd64 [installed]
tar/stable,now 1.35+dfsg-3.1 amd64 [installed]
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tasksel-data/stable,now 3.81 all [installed,automatic]
tasksel/stable,now 3.81 all [installed]
tzdata/stable,now 2026b-0+deb13u1 all [installed]
ucf/stable,now 3.0052 all [installed,automatic]
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usbutils/stable,now 1:018-2 amd64 [installed]
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vim-common/stable,now 2:9.1.1230-2 all [installed]
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wamerican/stable,now 2020.12.07-4 all [installed,automatic]
whiptail/stable,now 0.52.25-1 amd64 [installed]
xdg-user-dirs/stable,now 0.18-2 amd64 [installed,automatic]
xkb-data/stable,now 2.42-1 all [installed,automatic]
zlib1g/stable,now 1:1.3.dfsg+really1.3.1-1+b1 amd64 [installed]
zstd/stable,now 1.5.7+dfsg-1 amd64 [installed]
I think you can also just uninstall them.... or not.
WARNING: The following essential packages will be removed.
This should NOT be done unless you know exactly what you are doing!
perl-base
Summary:
Upgrading: 0, Installing: 0, Removing: 112, Not Upgrading: 0
Freed space: 249 MB
Error: Removing essential system-critical packages is not permitted. This might break the system.
IDK. I've done enough with this stuff for a bit.. and I am able to say I tried out DWM to post this after :D
notsle 0 points 3 months ago
@i_love_FFT @frostlytt you quite literally just uncheck Desktop when installing and check ssh server.
Also if you dont set a root password your user gets sudo. if you do set a root password sudo is not installed
i_love_FFT 1 point 3 months ago
That's probably like when I look for my cellphone and don't notice it's on my hands...
A few weeks ago I installed Debian on my old computer and i swear I couldn't find these options!
Sidhean 8 points 3 months ago
Nice meme! Its interesting that you've tried more than one distro. Personally, I prefer to pick the best one right away and stick with that. I think one of Zote's precepts mentions this. I use mint btw.
/jerk
pivot_root 7 points 3 months ago
Ubuntu seems universally hated. Why?
__hetz 15 points 3 months ago
Desktop design decisions. A lot of folks hated Unity. I know I did - they turned something familiar into something Apple like and I couldn't stand it. I'm genuinely not a fan of the unified menus and such. It didn't help that users were basically forced out of Gnome 2 into it when Unity became the default.
Within Unity they Integrated Amazon results into the Desktop Search. That was likened to spyware since your queries were being shared with Amazon, much like MS integrating web results into their own search. Ubuntu fucked up harder because, absent any filtering, their search occasionally produced adult products in the results - ie sex toys and such. Imagine telling your kid Fluffy needs a new knotted rope chew toy. They start searching "dog knot toy" just to have the results filled with BadDragon knockoffs.
They've leaned heavier into enterprise over the years and that has alienated a lot of the Desktop audience which helped bring attention to OS in the first place. They went from "Linux for Human Beings," making desktop computing more accessible throughout the world, to becoming essentially the Microsoft of the Linux world.
Their snap backend is proprietary. You can't just host your own snap repository. Even if you host your own local snap cache, it ultimately must point to and retrieve from their repository to populate that cache.
I'm sure there's other stuff worth pointing out that I've forgotten.
chunkystyles 1 point 3 months ago
Their documentation says Debian is supported.
Truscape 9 points 3 months ago
GNOME (by default), Snaps forced on you OOB rather than being an optional thing during setup or in any of the GUI settings, locking newer security updates behind a subscription, and Cannonical just being a bad captain of the ship.
There's a reason why Mint is hailed as the new "casual (non-gaming) user favorite", since it's literally just Ubuntu sans GNOME and the hostile update design decisions.
CoryCoolguy 4 points 3 months ago
Snap is why I don't recommend it to anyone. It's super aggressive and responsible for problems (famous example). It also gives Linux a bad impression to new users who still think Ubuntu is a "vanilla" distro. Watching Gamers Nexus struggle with the Steam package is a good example of this, I think. Steve came out ahead of the comments, saying, "I'm sure lots of people know [you need to use the purge flag]." Actually I didn't know that because I avoid hostile distros that constantly fight me.
+1 for Mint. Snapbuntu must be dethroned as the default beginner distro.
Allero 8 points 3 months ago
Too much corporate control and enshittification. For example, when you use apt-get to get native packages, it can instead download a snap package (which works differently, is controlled by them and might not be preferred for many other reasons), even though you clearly meant not to.
Canonical (Ubuntu's developer) is trying to push people deeper into the ecosystem they build and control.
Then, they roll out a paid Ubuntu version, Ubuntu Pro, separating paying and non-paying customers and turning Ubuntu into a subscription-based SaaS.
AnUnusualRelic 2 points 3 months ago
It was broken in many subtle ways even before snaps. Version updates were always a bit of a gamble and the whole thing was never as solid as properly managed distributions like the industrial ones such as SuSE or RH (or the properly managed ones that followed).
Mistiygirl 6 points 3 months ago
I don't hate it, it's just so far the worst one i've used. It's not necessarily bad, I have friends who use it.
sem 1 point 3 months ago
What were the worst aspects for you?
For me, the main thing i don't like is how the app store defaults to snaps, when the system package you want is hidden behind a drop down.
But i like a lot about it, namely the look and feel of the settings applications, hardware drivers, community support, trouble free updates, so for me it is my favorite.
lemmyvore 4 points 3 months ago
Because apt is fundamentally broken and it shows most readily on a desktop-oriented distro like Ubuntu.
In order to benefit from packages not included by the distro you need to use 3rd party apt repos, but there's no rule against those repos using package names used by another repo, including the distro's repos. It could've also been fixed by identifying packages by [repo name + package name] instead of just [package name]... but it hasn't.
The result is that when Ubuntu packages get replaced by 3rd party packages by the same name it can mess up the dependency graph if the 3rd party repo isn't super careful about it.
It's not a huge issue immediately after installing something but as time passes and more updates pile on top of each other (from both Ubuntu and the 3rd parties) it can get completely ruined and eventually the update solver can't find an upgrade path anymore and you can't use Ubuntu's newer releases.
At that point you have two options. One is to use an advanced solver like the one in aptitude, for example, but in order to fix the mess it will recommend to uninstall and reinstall a huge number of packages, including very core, essential packages, which is very risky and you lose the 3rd party stuff anyway. At which point you might as well use option two, which is to reinstall a newer Ubuntu release from scratch.
Eventually after you go through this a few times it starts to get really annoying and you either get stuck on an old release out of dread, or you start looking for a distro that can be updated in-place indefinitely.
toddestan 3 points 3 months ago
Hate is perhaps too strong of a word, but personally, I just don't care for their default desktop environment. If I had to, I could still use it but as I have lots of choices I'm going with something else.
On the other hand, I find Ubuntu to be a fine server OS, especially if you want something in the Debian family but want something a bit more up to date than what's currently in Debian stable but still widely supported.
MonkeMischief 7 points 3 months ago
Favorite is OpenSuse Tumbleweed. It's stable mostly, and quite fixable when it isn't. Just a great overall balance.
My first was actually DSL: "Damn Small Linux", contained entirely on a CD to remove a TERRIBLY resistant malware from my Windows XP machine. (It was awesome for that! Had no idea what I was doing lol.)
Tried Ubuntu, then Ubuntu Studio, but they didn't like my Wi-Fi devices back in those days, so I didn't get to do much with them!
Used Mint seriously on my aging laptop and loved it. It's such an excellent on-ramp and you can hang out with it as long as you like.
Later tried Manjaro for a while but...it started having some controversial project decisions and just didn't feel like home.
Using EndeavourOS on my gaming laptop and it works great! Considering migrating though: Arch is an excellent teacher, but I've had to spend unexpected weekends fixing weird hitches after updates.
Honorable Mention: Puppy Linux! I used to be able to boot it to any laptop from my Android phone, and that was a really neat trick for public computers and stuff.
recursivethinking 5 points 3 months ago
Hey I resemble that journey. Very few people metion DSL and Puppy. Those lived on a multiboot flash drive I carry around "JIC" (these days I just bring Mint and Tails).
I just commented elsewhere how Mint became home - that "long as you like" is still going (jeez 8y at this point lol).
MonkeMischief 4 points 3 months ago
Cool! Yeah, they don't seem to be referenced as much anymore, but they were seriously impressive and had their use cases. :D
that "long as you like" is still going (jeez 8y at this point lol).
Yeah, Mint is often referred to by folks as a "beginner distro" implying you'll somehow inevitably skill up and distro hop, and sure, plenty do, but it really doesn't have to be that way!
(Heck, Eliot the super hacker in Mr. Robot used it as his home distro! Lol π)
I mean, it's stable, you can still get newer stuff and gaming via FlatPak, and it's just overall friendlier. The community is super helpful and nice too!
I personally jumped to OpenSUSE Tumbleweed because I like having new features sooner. (I blame Blender haha!), and honestly, I didn't expect to fall in love with KDE as much as I did. I really like KDE. :p
I'd always encourage people to try other distros just to see if they do something that fits them better or something, but yeah, you shouldn't feel any pressure to "graduate" from Mint. It's lovely. :D
HaraldvonBlauzahn 2 points 3 months ago
Favorite is OpenSuse Tumbleweed. Itβs stable mostly, and quite fixable when it isnβt. Just a great overall balance.
I am actually thinking that a stable-stable distro like Debian or OpenSuse Leap as a base system, and on top either GNU Guix or a VM with Tumbleweed or Suse Slowroll is a great option. Very stable for productivity, and at the same time very current for programming and exploring new stuff.
I currently use Debian stable, and both Gnu Guix and an Arch VM on top.
NewNewAugustEast 6 points 3 months ago
First? Redhat.
Used? Gentoo, Debian, Mepis, sidux, peppermint, mint, fedora, cachyos, puppy, damnsmall, evil entity, suse, opensuse, Slackware, arch, and who knows how many more.
Using right now: Debian, fedora, cachyos, opensuse, Slackware. Different distro depending on need and device.
Favorite? Real soft spot for mepis, it made it easy back in the day. Fedora right now: it always just works, there is nothing to do just update and move on. Also Debian. Because Debian.
Worst: Ubuntu. Such a piece of crap, always breaking since first release.
rumschlumpel 7 points 3 months ago
TBH I have trouble telling why so many people in this thread complain about Ubuntu breaking, it always Just Worksβ’ for me. Did they form their opinion around 2010, or are they using the six-monthly releases? I always used Ubuntu LTS (and never the default desktop).
NewNewAugustEast 2 points 3 months ago
Started with their first release. So broken compared to everything else at that time.
Now on new releases to this day it still throws weird errors or doesnt work as expected AT INSTALL. Usually reboots will fix some of those issues, sometimes I don't even know if they are real issues, but it just shows Canonical doesnt make a very good product.
Then sooner or later, with Canonical not able to keep an idea longer than 6 months, something else will break. Its just the Ubuntu way.
Seems like their server version is better, I can't really complain about it. I don't have to interact with it much, but it behaves a lot better.
Also, Xbuntu and Kbuntu somehow fared better than Ubuntu, much less problems.
rumschlumpel 2 points 3 months ago
People are/were actually using the default Ubuntu desktop, and modern Gnome in general? In a fediverse linuxmemes community?
Granted, it still doesn't speak well for them if their default desktop has so many issues that don't exist on the flavors.
NewNewAugustEast 3 points 3 months ago
lol.
All my complaining about Ubuntu and yet I kind of liked Unity. I had it on a guest computer and a laptop for awhile.
I actually liked the orange colors. I liked the fonts. I even liked early unity as an alternative to gnome back then.
But it just kept changing!
moonlight 6 points 3 months ago
Favorite distro: NixOS First distro used: Ubuntu Distro you want to use in the future: SixOS, Asahi Honorable mention: Fedora Server Distro you liked the least: Ubuntu Distro you currently use: Arch, NixOS The distro you used for the longest time: Arch
M137 5 points 3 months ago
I really think Ubuntu is the most common first distro people try. A common reoccurrence here is the inability to see what an average person, in terms of tech literacy, knows and are willing to put time and effort into. Ubuntu has been the face of Linux for a long time (obviously not based on people who know and use linux). I wish Mint took that place as it's so much better.
recursivethinking 5 points 3 months ago
I was gonna say that "and put effort into" is important.
I admin various Linux Servers, been through most distros at work and at home. I'm an experienced Linux admin/user. I'm settled on Mint at home for the foreseeable future.
After a long day/week/career doing IT, the last thing I want is for my primary PC to be a project-home. Mint Cinnamon ended up being the home I fell in love with - honestly was expecting it to be another kitchy distro that I would maybe reccommend for noobs (I mean it is also that). I couldn't be happier - LMDE is the only thing that makes me wonder about greener grass.
I haven't gotten to 95% perfect since Ubuntu pre-unity, and that one very long Arch build I did that one time. Even Debian, the home I grew up in, wasn't the home I wanted to live in forever.
No shade on any other Distros/DEs out there. Everyone has different homes and it's their home and I love that people have them and that they're all different, and I want many options to keep existing. Past me would not understand present me's choices.
Q_the_misanthrope 2 points 3 months ago
Similar situation, experienced professional user but Iβm running kubuntu at home. I just posted to another user about not wanting a project pc. I want to use my computer, not fix it or tweak it. Itβs not other distributions are bad, itβs that this one is fine for me right now and itβs not windows.
Resonosity 5 points 3 months ago
Kubuntu FTW !
laceybeach 5 points 3 months ago
Over 20 years I've been trying many distros and even rolled my own and now I'm a happy mint user.
Did I do it backwards?
Bluewing 5 points 3 months ago
When you surf the oceans of Distros long enough, I think you just get tired and the wanderlust fades. I know I did. Mint is a fine Distro, the Toyota Camry of distros. Solid and dependable with all that you need. It just doesn't look cool to all the hip-cat kids and their bleeding edge Arch.
I have settled on Fedora. And I prefer Plasma over Gnome, so I use Kinonite instead. There is even less hassle and effort that way. I don't even go to the bother of doing updates myself. It all happens in the background. Like you, I just want to use my computer. Not fiddle with it anymore
rumschlumpel 3 points 3 months ago
Did you ever do a major version update (i.e. one that's based on a new Ubuntu LTS release than the one before)? AFAIK they still recommend that you do a fresh install every time the switch the Ubuntu base, which makes me hesitate to recommend it to newcomers - Debian and Ubuntu have always updated in place for me without major issues.
I did use Mint in like 2018, though, it was neat in general.
communist 5 points 3 months ago
First: ubuntu favorite: nixos distro I like the least: ubuntu Distro I currently use: nixos distro I used for longest time: arch honorable mention: bazzite/aurora Distro I want to use in the future: redox with nixos
i'm a recent nixos convert... I think once they improve the ux a bit it's literally the best of all worlds. fantasic idea. UX and documentation issues take a lot of patience though.. a lot.
Allero 5 points 3 months ago
Favorite: still searching
First: Manjaro (actually went quite smooth...until it didn't. Still grateful to have it, might not switch if it didn't exist)
Current: Bazzite (immutable distros finally matured enough for me, works perfectly fine for non-gaming tasks as well as gaming)
Distro you liked the least: Ubuntu (was the reason I didn't get to Linux earlier and got only worse from there)
Distro you want to use in the future: Debian (needs to stop being so easily broken, it's a stability distro ffs)
Distro you used for the longest time: Fedora (generally a good experience, but doesn't play fantastically well with nvidia)
Distro everyone likes but I don't: Linux Mint. (Cinnamon is severely limited and looks dated to me, and it broke like a week into me using it. Not my choice, but apparently others have better experience)
Honorable mention: OpenSUSE Tumbleweed (awesome stability and native rollbacks, but didn't fix a much highlighted update breaking nvidia drivers in two months, prompting me to reinstall; didn't ever face breaking issues with other hardware)
prole 2 points 3 months ago
I've been on Bazzite for a couple of years now, and I've started to just prefer the way it does things over mutable distros. It's so unbelievably stable.
I went from EndeavourOS to Bazzite, and have no real desire to hop off of it.
malformed3955 2 points 3 months ago
Probably not the only distro that could do it, but I was pleasantly surprised bazzite handled my three monitors with three different refresh rates, two different resolutions, one with HDR, and one in portrait mode basically right out of the box.
Allero 2 points 3 months ago
I was personally amazed that it handles my ancient printer from the get-go. None of the other distros had the driver available, it had to be downloaded and installed separately. Here on Bazzite - complete plug & play.
AnUnusualRelic 5 points 3 months ago
First: Slackware (there were 2 or 3 distributions at the time... also so many floppies)
Next: Mandrake.
Next: Debian
Next: Ubuntu (and variants, didn't like it, was brittle and messy)
Next: Gentoo (didn't like it much when I did an update after three or four months idle, might be on me)
Next: Manjaro (self immolated at some point just because)
Next: OpenSuSE (soon switched to TumbleWeed, was rock solid, but didn't like one of my new machines for some reason)
Next: Fedora (current, no issues, I'd still prefer a European system, but meh.)
I probably forgot a few, but that's more or less the last thirty years. Unless there's an issue, I see no reason to change. They all pretty much install the same thing anyway, and I want to use the machine, not configure it. The system ought to be as un-noticeable as possible IMO.
RaccoonBall 1 point 3 months ago
Same, but I like ubuntu and stopped at gentoo
rustydrd 5 points 3 months ago
Funny, Debian is the reason I came to Arch in the first place and never really left. I like Debian, but once you need more recent versions of something, things quickly get messy.
My journey was: Ubuntu, Debian, ChrunchBang, ArchBang, Arch. Not a big fan of distro hopping, so I'll probably stay like this or try Fedora if ever I want something non-rolling again.
rumschlumpel 3 points 3 months ago
Loved Crunchbang! Bunsenlabs is a neat successor, too.
Hueristic_Autistic 5 points 3 months ago
I love Ubuntu currently but I'm planning on switching. I just love the feel of it.
MonkeMischief 3 points 3 months ago
I feel it. As a distro itself I'm not a huge fan of how it does things, but I really do like their theming, colors, font, aesthetic, logo, all that.
Thankfully easy enough to make any distro look like anything, with a little effort. :)
ober 4 points 3 months ago
- Favorite: Gentoo
- First Distro Used: Ubuntu
- Distro You Want to Use in the Future: NixOS
- Honorable Mention: Debian
- Distro You Liked the Least: Ubuntu
- Distro You Currently Use: Gentoo
- The Distro You Used for the Longest Time: Gentoo
Valmond 4 points 3 months ago
I'm always curious about what you all do with your OS π I mean sure why not but for me it was (after 6 months before going for it) like a weekend check out and then my pc became an 'ol Linux box (boxes, laptops etc followed) and it just chugs on?
kolmaskommentoija 2 points 3 months ago path: 0 24792864 24796172, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 3
Crozekiel 5 points 3 months ago
To be fair, some of these responses are clearly going back 20+ years and only have 8 total "hops". In that time a typical windows user would have gone through 7-10 different versions of windows depending on how lucky they got with stuff like ME and 8...
Valmond 3 points 3 months ago
That seems like a very plausible explanation! I tried mint 16 and didn't do the jump because it was not up to it just yet. Being a linux nerd 10-20 years ago and the differences were probably huge between distros, and they changed all the time too.
Smart thinking!
rumschlumpel 2 points 3 months ago
I've hopped around a lot when I first got into Linux (mostly to check out different desktops, see what the fuss is about rolling releases, and trying to get a little more performance). Haven't done any of that for about 5 years, I'm actually planning on moving from Ubuntu to Debian because of Canonical's corporate bullshit, but there's just too much annoying work to do to recreate my setup on a new install.
rumschlumpel 4 points 3 months ago
What, only one distro at a time? Arch on desktop is one thing, but Arch on servers is quite another ...
Mistiygirl 5 points 3 months ago
Currently triple booting Windows (very rarely for gaming)/Arch (Main system)/Debian (fun)
rumschlumpel 1 point 3 months ago
Hey, I have a multiboot system with Debian, too! I wanted to switch to it fully, but I did a LOT of configuration and manual software installs on my old Ubuntu install, some of which was included OOTB by the Ubuntu Studio people (I dabble in electronic music) ... I've been dragging my feet for so long that the Debian install slipped into oldstable ...
Mistiygirl 1 point 3 months ago
it's not that hart to upgrade, just change the sources list and run apt dist-upgrade
rumschlumpel 1 point 3 months ago
Oh, I know that, I've done a lot of Debian upgrades in my time. Just making a point about how long I've had this "switch to Debian on desktop"-project sit idle.
eleefece 4 points 3 months ago
Favorite: MX Linux
First Distro Used: Ubuntu 6.06
Distro You Want to Use in the Future: CachyOS
Honorable Mention: Pardus
Distro You Liked the Least: Mandriva
Distro You Currently Use: Bazzite
The Distro You Used for the Longest Time: Opensuse
CrabAndBroom 2 points 3 months ago
Favourite/Current Distro/Distro I've used the most: Arch btw.
Distro liked the least: Ubuntu
First Distro Used: Corel Linux (I am old lol)
Honourable Mention: Pop!OS with the COSMIC desktop is pretty nice considering how new it is IMO.
Future Distro: I've messed around with NixOS a bit and I kind of want to try it. I like to tinker a lot though so sometimes immutable OS-es kind of interfere with that.
SpaceCadet 2 points 3 months ago
- Favorite distro: Debian
- Also favorite distro: Arch
- First distro: Red Hat Linux 5.1 (not RHEL!).
- Honorable mention: Slackware for most of the 00s
Digit 2 points 3 months ago
When I first saw "Distros i've used:", I thought there's no way I could list that, after my prolific distro-surfing phase between 2004 to about 2014... I don't know how many tall spools of CDs and DVDs I filled with distros, before I switched to usb, trying even more, with even less footprint to gauge it by.
... But, by just simply following the outline provided, I arrive at:
:)
That was fun.
Mistiygirl 3 points 3 months ago
uh... since when is SystemD a distro?
Digit 1 point 3 months ago
Fair query.
I was torn for which one distro I liked the least.
Considered something rpm based, but then realised all rpm based distros (bar two), I dislike to similar levels, and have thus not used them sufficiently to really say... and they also get lost amidst similar levels of dislike of distros I tried only ever so briefly in my distro-surfings.
Then I realised, the answer was obvious... my "liked the least"'ness has all systemd-imposing distros in a constellation, orders of distance further into "liked the least", more than any other criteria, and all so far out there, they're all as good as the same to my view. Rotten poison. Under an Embrace-Extend-Extinguish op. Centralising, homogenising, imposing, "the one true way" dogma. Beyond just a single point of failure, already compromised from within, agnogenic, dependency-generating, disempowering. and many more reasons.
So that's how I arrived at [any distro imposing] systemd as my least liked distro.
This should be a stance that makes sense when considering in context that my fave/current and longest used, are bedrock & gentoo. I like choice. And so, any distro that's striven to not facilitate user's freedom to choose, and even striven to make the ability to choose harder, has fallen into that same homogenising "one true way"-dogma gestalt. Obediant copy-pasta distrod can Foxtrot Oscar.
... Could have done a wayland logo there too [or GNOME3, lol]. XD But I have less experience with that. Perhaps (as in the third link of reasons^), I could have used the term "FLOS", but then that would have been more obscure and misleading. ... And [even if interpreted correctly] perhaps a mite more broad than best depicts my "liked the least", throwing a few which I like more, under the bus.
Anyhoo...
Reasoning elaboration [for my latteral-thinking lazy-cheat cop-out gestalt criteria choice] aside,
The distro I want to use in the future's far more interesting...
fleebleneeble 2 points 3 months ago
Fav distro: CachyOS
First distro used: Xubuntu
Distro I want to use in the future: BlendOS, seems cool. Though it's not Linux, I am interested in BSD.
Distro I liked least: toss between Debian and NixOS.
Distro used the longest: Arch variants, starting with Garuda for gaming.
Honorable mention: Ubuntu Studio (had to use it for some projects and I loved having all that I needed right away).
Current use: CachyOS for gaming, Fedora Kinoite for media servers, standard Fedora for small laptop.
All in all, I love Arch based distros, but I like to be well rounded. I've tried more than what I've mentioned, these are just what is relevant.
kevinsky 2 points 3 months ago
Got into linux on the server side before I seriously looked at the desktop side. Run a mix of Ubuntu, Debian and what used to be CentOS but is now Almalinux in this space.
On the desktop started fiddeling with Ubuntu at first, but first distro I actually used was Mint. Tested a lot of them over the year, can't bothered to list them.
Mainly just use Fedora (KDE).
Q_the_misanthrope 4 points 3 months ago
I made the switch on my main pc (from Windows) to Kubuntu about 2 months ago. A friend had switched about a year before that and said it was fun to use so I tried it and it stuck.
I donβt see myself changing, it works. I donβt want a project, I want a computer I donβt have to think about. I actually enjoy using my pc again, feels like Iβm back in early days when my computer did what I wanted it to do. Forgot what that was like. Anyway my upsides are not other distributions downsides, itβs just what I have now.
For context, in industry for 20 years, previous linux admin, dev and eng, Iβve used probably 15 distributions in my years, and I run a home lab server too.
Mistiygirl 3 points 3 months ago
It's stable and reliable.
Anti_Iridium 2 points 3 months ago
Exactly that.
rumschlumpel 1 point 3 months ago
The desktop environment is the only difference between Ubuntu and most of its flavors.
rumba 2 points 3 months ago
Favorite: NixOS
First Distro Used: Slackware
Distro You Want to Use in the Future: Silverblue, i didn't love redhat after the split off fedora, but I could stand to try another immutable
Honorable Mention: Arch
Distro You Liked the Least: Fedora
Distro You Currently Use: Nixos
The Distro You Used for the Longest Time: Debian
AnimalsDream 2 points 3 months ago
Favorite: Debian
First Distro Used: Ubuntu 10.04
Distro You Want to Use in the Future: CachyOS
Honorable Mention: Fedora
Distro You Liked the Least: Post-Snap Ubuntu
Distro You Currently Use: Debian, Fedora, SteamOS
The Distro You Used for the Longest Time: Debian
Mistiygirl 4 points 3 months ago
Don't have one. I just took someone else's post and put white squares over the ones I disagreed with
IEatDaFeesh 2 points 3 months ago
It's literally a white screen with black rectangles π
jeff 2 points 3 months ago
Favorite: Fedora
First Distro Used: Not entirely sure. We had a couple Linux computers growing up that my dad set up and he distro hopped a bit. I used Ubuntu(or variants, e.g. xubuntu) during high school and a bit of college.
Distro You Want to Use in the Future: Bazzite or another immutable distro
Honorable Mention: Manjaro
Distro You Liked the Least: Debian
Distro You Currently Use: Fedora with hyprland(ML4W)
The Distro You Used for the Longest Time: Probably Fedora
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joranm1 2 points 3 months ago
The first distro I used was SuSE (yes, before there was "Open" in the name π ) on a Pentium III
I spent many years on Arch, but it don't think it's the distro I used the most any longer...
The distro I am using now is Fedora Workstation, which has been my daily driver for a dozen years now, and it's also my favorite distro.
The distro I'll be using in the future may be Silverblue
The distro I hate the most... is Ubuntu π I had so many troubles over the years with this one, there was always something nonfunctional
My honorable mention: CachyOS looks pretty nice π
As for all the distros I tried... there's way too many π
BlackLaZoR 1 point 3 months ago
Every time I tried to install SUSE, it ended up with a white screen with cursor. Truly worthy of honorable mention
SpaceCowboy 1 point 3 months ago
Favorite: Debian
First Distro Used: Redhat
Distro You Want to Use in the Future: Debian
Honorable Mention: Linux From Scratch
Distro You Liked the Least: Redhat
Distro You Currently Use: Debian
The Distro You Used for the Longest Time: Debian
lyralycan 1 point 3 months ago
Somewhat accurate for me, but I dabbled with Ubuntu, Debian and Alpine for my server so idk if that counts, otherwise my first distro was Arch but the distro I recommend to everyone as their first is Mint+Cinnamon, especially if they're used to Windows
__Lost__ 1 point 3 months ago
My journey started with red hat, then gentoo, a few years back to Microsoft with windows vista, then back to ubuntu, and now arch. And i use raspbian and debian on my servers. Besides the install program and package manager, there doesn't seem to be a huge difference between different distros.
daggermoon 1 point 3 months ago
I loved Peppermint OS 10. They did a complete redesign of the DE and it just isn't the same. It's also based on Debian or Devuan now instead of Ubuntu which i'm mostly indifferent to.
baconsunday 1 point 3 months ago
No CachyOS ? That is the best one
heliotrope 1 point 3 months ago
- Favourite Distro: Void Linux
- First Distro Used: Linux Mint
- Distro You Want To Use In The Future:
- Linux: Guix System
- Other: 9front
- Honourable Mention: FreeBSD
- Distro You Liked The Least: Fedora Atomic
- Distro You Currently Use: Devuan GNU+Linux
- Distro You Used For The Longest Time: Arch Linux
HAL_9_TRILLION 1 point 3 months ago
I started with Slackware in 96 then was on a friend's Debian server in like 98. I lost the friend account so I switched to Ubuntu in like... 08 mainly because that's what Digital Ocean offered in its prebuilt stacks, I didn't really have an opinion. Switched to Linux on the desktop only last year, went with Mint since I'd gotten used to Ubuntu. I'm happy, don't feel the need to do anything else really. I have a Steam Deck so obviously I've used SteamOS, not really a fan of the immutable thing.
Truscape 1 point 3 months ago
Tbf, I believe CachyOS has taken the reigns of "Arch based gaming distro that doesn't have immutable OS restrictions", so that'd probably the easiest solution for that.
On the slackware note though, my uncle still uses it (I think it was Puppy last I checked). He was a former chip designer at IBM and Intel, and got on the linux for privacy bandwagon long enough ago to show me the ropes of linux as I was growing up.
danielfm123 0 points 3 months ago
And take and red hat here then Slackware.... It's hard to believe you haven't tried fedora.
And if you like arch, try cachyos, it's the same but with more compilation optimization: performance for free.
trainsrkool -3 points 3 months ago
i use arch, btw
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