This is also true when Epsteiner auctions off a 13 year old
panda_abyss 78 points a month ago
anomnom 10 points a month ago
Yeah the omnipotent God bullshit breaks when a rainstorm floods a girls camp and kills a bunch of them. But then they claim the devil did it, or even victim blame in a creepy and fucked up way wondering if they were really pure Christians or not, or if there’s some mysterious upside or lesson.
technocrit -1 points a month ago
So existence is a net negative in your book? I'm fairly pessimistic but that seems somewhat extreme.
cavitationfetishist2 12 points a month ago
They can't see a bad guy without trying to be them.
SaharaMaleikuhm 8 points a month ago
If that means those idiots at least get vaccinated then I will take that.
somethingsnappy 13 points a month ago
That reason? Kill off every living thing god created.
LurkingLuddite 3 points a month ago
I mean, we're supposed to be stewards according to the teachings, but all those dumbass children hear is, "hey this is yours ..." and just kinda space off the rest of everything said...
Couldbealeotard 4 points a month ago
If God exists, I reckon we are a high school simulation project that he forgot and accidentally left running.
Fawkes 2 points a month ago
Sure, but the logic reveals literally nothing. I can create an entire Sims world for the sole reason to see if the "turn pink clothing in to green clothing" mod works. Does the fact that their existence had a reason actually mean a damn thing?
SeductiveTortoise 2 points a month ago
And a lot of the scientists are atheists, so it clearly doesn't matter if they believe in god.
nialv7 0 points a month ago
see, the thing is, they are not irrational. their logic (god works through humans) is completely self-consistent, they are just basing their logic on a different set of fundamentals than us. you can say that they are not scientific, you then would be completely correct. but they are not irrational, and that's the difficult part of changing people's mind.
Couldbealeotard 10 points a month ago
That's what I don't understand about creationists. If you believe god made everything, what's wrong with believing God used evolution to do it? If the answer is "take the Bible literally", well that doesn't work because of all the shit in the Bible that they choose to ignore.
The premise of religion is designed to be bullet proof: god requires faith, don't test god. It's required that you have to believe it without proof. Why add things that are so far out there like "the devil/god made fossils as a trick to test your faith"?
BewareOfIdiot 15 points a month ago
You mean to say that the only thing keeping you from r*ping children is fear of God?
late_pessimistic 14 points a month ago
Ethics exist independently of any deities even if they did exist.
If ethics didn't exist separately, and God is actually the source of good, then we would have a lot of logical paradoxes to solve.
For instance, let's assume God is who defines goodness and educates us on it, and goodness does not exist without God.
Thus, we recognize we don't have inherent ability to define what's good or bad. But that also means we can't prove God is good, because we already recognized only God can define what's good.
I might have butchered the logical fallacy a bit, logic is hard, but I remember it roughly being stated this way.
JoeyHarrington 23 points a month ago
No this is the list of things religion has eradicated
cavitationfetishist2 1 point a month ago
Well #10 is kind of a gimme; molestation is sort of their whole thing.
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ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace 29 points a month ago
Number of times trans people knocked on my door to convincing me or my children into questioning my gender and changing it and my views on the topic, vs the number of religious people knock on my door to try to convince me that I'm living a life of sin, that my values are shit and that I'll burn in hell unless I convert to their religion.
qaz 20 points a month ago
Too many people gloss over the fact how insane it is that some people genuinely believe non-believers burn forever in a magic post death torture world. Like how can someone think that while talking with someone, and be like, aw sucks for them, glad I submit to this ancient chain email creepypasta.
It still baffles me when I realize someone thinks like that.
cunnililgus 7 points a month ago
Going to heaven is the ultimate nepo and gambler move. Either you are born with the right religion, or you guess and join the right one out of hundreds, or you burn forever.
WormEmperor 4 points a month ago
I have been baffling over this very thing for many, many years. Always glad to see someone else put it into words as well.
technocrit 1 point a month ago
[feeling grateful for the gate at my housing complex.]
first thought that came to mind.ogeist 21 points a month ago
At the risk of being downvoted, religious laws were often used as methods of survival. Some groups bathed every so often, others had washing face as a rule, some didn't ate pork or shellfish as they would rot really quickly, some would not kill cows because they would lose a long lasting source of rich in nutrients milk or simply the power to plough field thus increasing food production.
So religion didn't cure anything miraculously but it sure helped the communities to survive and the scientific method took a while to be developed.
I'm an atheist but im also aware of the benefits religion had at some point. Remember that the guy that proposed washing hamds between autopsies and child birth was ridiculed.
Sorry for no funny haha :(
Snailpick42 8 points a month ago
Jesus could've actually saved lives by telling people to wash their hands. Instead, we have this totally unnecessary blood sacrifice thing.
technocrit -1 points a month ago
Pretty sure jews didn't own slaves back then. It's a given that the roman enslavers are evil.
prole 7 points a month ago
You could not be more incorrect. The Bible is undeniably, explicitly pro-slavery. And Hebrews owned slaves (both Gentile slaves, and Hebrew slaves. Their own people. Classy).
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+21&version=ESV
20 “When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. 21 But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.
They Old Testament were rules for the Hebrews, and in it there are rules for how to treat your Hebrew slaves. Huh.
“Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. 2 When you buy a Hebrew slave,[a] he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. 3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. 5 But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ 6 then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall be his slave forever.
-Exodus 21
And the New Testament is no better. John tells slaves to obey their masters. And Jesus, despite being absolutely steeped in slave culture, never once had anything negative to say about it. Pretty damning. Tacit approval by omission, if you ask me.
Mulligrubs 5 points a month ago
The Jews owned slaves back then; they weren't morally superior to the Romans in any way.
SkyezOpen 3 points a month ago
I was going to say religion is still necessary to control some people because there are some straight up sociopaths that only behave because of the fear of hell, but the fact that they totally believe they're one of Jesus' special little buddies makes me think that makes the issue even worse.
Nalivai 3 points a month ago
There is no evidence that this actually true. Religious leaders say this true, but then they turn around and cover atrocities that their religious underlings are doing, so they're themselves are the counterpoint to their own bullshit.
DanceMomsSavedMe 20 points a month ago
Had a buddy mention that his friend has cancer and was talking about "I don't think this doctor is good for me I'm thinking about switching to this other one" and he stopped her and said
"Well when are you going to give it to the real doctor. Jesus?" And went on to say basically don't even worry about it or explore other doctors just put it all in gods hands!
I fucking hate religion.
Phoenix3875 18 points a month ago
Yes, but…what about bringing back eradicated diseases with anti-vaxxing? Ain't that a miracle.
far_university1990 1 point a month ago
Look at this poor bacteria. It deserve life too!
Tollana1234567 9 points a month ago
RFK JR is obssesed with people getting MEASLES, he should know since he resulted in 86 samoan childrens death
Axolotl_cpp 6 points a month ago
I do have a witch friend, their population is tiny though
LurkingLuddite 1 point a month ago
Nope but seeing a lot of actual demons walking around, so... not sure the religious folks are winning.
WoodScientist 8 points a month ago
That's why I light this and pray to St. Carl of Ithaca every night.
panda_abyss 7 points a month ago
To be fair, you wouldn’t know the diseases that are eradicated by prayer since they’re stripped from our timeline when looking backwards.
There could be dozens of them!
RememberTheApollo_ 7 points a month ago
Plenty of plagues started by religion, though.
Jankatarch 6 points a month ago
Is it only US where religious people are like "vaccines are satan" or do other countries have them as much?
hansolo 4 points a month ago
I've seen it around Africa. Usually related to where there's a bunch of Jehovah's Witnesses. It dovetails well with scattered cultural prohibitions on anything to do with messing with the blood. No blood donations, no transfusions. Likely related to decades of HIV/AIDS concerns.
Edit: it's also why a lot of polio vaccines are oral in Africa. Less stigma.
prole 5 points a month ago
People in Africa have every reason to be suspicious of white men coming in and injecting them with shit.
https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org/...
So yeah, it is frustrating to see when they push against things like vaccines, but it's entirely understandable given the history of what has been done to these people again and again.
hansolo 2 points a month ago
Oh, for sure. The way the British came in and told everyone to put their boobs away because it's immodest, and use formula made with well water to give your baby diarrhea early and maybe kill it, just breathtakingly idiotic.
technocrit 2 points a month ago
I’ve seen it around Africa. Usually related to where there’s a bunch of Jehovah’s Witnesses.
So it's USA again. Usual bullshit colonialism.
hansolo 2 points a month ago
Oh no, it's locals that are JWs. But there's plenty of non-JW cultural reasons that push the idea of no injections.
Did you really just ignore the entire second half of the comment? The JW folks just have a more coherent "it says no in this book" logic.
WorldsDumbestMan 3 points a month ago
Ortodoxy is catching up, via fake podcast bro priests.
SadSadSatellite 6 points a month ago
Maybe in January of 2020 we should have told everyone to stay home and pray for three or four months.
SatansMaggotyCumFart 5 points a month ago
What about the woke mind virus?
Prayer has a hundred percent cure rate for that.
StarryPhoenix97 4 points a month ago
I'm too tired to be mad about this or the changes that will happen to remind people of how important science is...
But I can always see in my minds eye, some future leader saying. "There's no way we could have known."
And that keeps me at a simmer.
calmluck9349 4 points a month ago
Covid19 didn't make the cut?
Bytemeister 9 points a month ago
It is very much not eradicated.
Neither is measles.
Bytemeister 3 points a month ago
Well, tetanus is on the list too, and that is definitely still around.
Chicken pox still exists.
whatsisface 4 points a month ago
Which ones were eradicated & which ones were decimated? Getting rid of 10% of a disease doesn't sound super effective.
Tetragrade 3 points 25 days ago
Actually, I was praying for them to finish the vaccine. You're welcome.
ValarieLenin 3 points 25 days ago
Jokes in you we prayed for societal collaboration and progress. Profit and capitalism seems like a major side effect though 😵💫
DarkCloud 3 points a month ago
As per science, prayer (or anything "metaphysical" can't be measured, as it has no physics or physical evidence)....
....so effects of prayer can't be measured/known. I guess that means it's theoretical, unprovable.
DaGreenGobbo 3 points a month ago
You're only considering the diseases that God didn't prevent from existing in the first place. You can't expect him to stop all the potential diseases, can you?? He's not Superman!
cavitationfetishist2 2 points a month ago
Prayer and the CIA, however, are gtrwat at spreading them and undermining these efforts.
prole 6 points a month ago
Leprosy still exists, though it is curable. And that cure has absolutely nothing to do with prayer.
StarvingMartist 1 point a month ago
Didn't prayer actually eradicate that dancing disease or whatever?
technocrit 1 point a month ago
Science is a social pursuit that shouldn't be credited solely to some priestly class of "scientists". How many people have prayed for the sick over the years? That's a major foundation for public support of scientific research.
PhoenixDog 3 points 25 days ago
How many people have prayed for the sick over the years? That’s a major foundation for public support of scientific research.
If you pray for someone to recover from being sick, and they do, it wasn't the prayer that healed them... They just... Got better. Like normal people sometimes do.
The prayer did nothing but fulfill your own delusions.
NoneOfUrBusiness 1 point a month ago
Well that's a fundamental misunderstanding of science if I've ever seen one.
Eternal192 1 point a month ago
Idiots need prayer because they can't comprehend science, simple as that.
tobebannedbygaymods -3 points a month ago
Now let us see diseases created by science in comparison to prayer ......
tobebannedbygaymods 1 point 24 days ago
Wat ?
Goodlucksil 7 points a month ago
Is that really right? That they were Catolics in a society of Catholics does not mean that the invention of vaccines would have happened only because they were Catholics
FistingEnthusiast 3 points a month ago
This person is a rabid catholic, and idiot
I've made the mistake of trying to engage with them in good faith
It was a fool's errand
Goodlucksil 1 point a month ago
You mean me or the guy above me?
FistingEnthusiast 2 points a month ago
Root
I was explaining their MO
NotEasyBeingGreen 6 points a month ago
Virulation - using a small amount of a virus to infect people to hopefully gain resistance - came to Europe through India. I'm 99% sure it wasn't Catholicism that was responsible.
FistingEnthusiast 2 points a month ago
This is the local noisy catholic idiot
Don't bother with them
IAMgROOT -2 points a month ago
Virulation may be a precursor, but it is miles away from modern vaccination.
FistingEnthusiast 2 points a month ago
Oh, it's you again
How unfortunate.
IAMgROOT -4 points a month ago
Wasn't he a Catholic?
Read his letter to Castelli
and he never faced corporal punishment, he was under house arrest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/... was one of the pioneers behind the Big Bang Theory
. Galileo argued that this passage could not be used to support the traditional Earth-centred view of the universe at all. If we assume the universe to be as it was described by Claudius Ptolemy, the Sun's annual motion was a slow movement towards the East, so if God had commanded it to stop, the daily movement towards the West would no longer have been counteracted and as a result the day would actually have got slightly shorter rather than longer. However if we assume the universe to be as Copernicus described it, the Sun is at the centre and its rotation drives the rotation of all the planets. Thus if God had ordered the Sun to stop turning, everything would have stopped and the day would have been longer, just as the Bible describe."
from Wikipedia
Allero 3 points a month ago
Not in the sense of "oh, He's almighty, He can bend and break laws of nature at will, He just never ever does this in a controlled experiment to accentuate the faith element of religion".
Otherwise, they come in an extreme contradiction just about everywhere.
IAMgROOT -4 points a month ago
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He performed many scientifically proven miracles
FistingEnthusiast 2 points a month ago
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
IAMgROOT 1 point 25 days ago
"Two departments of forensic medicine examined the sample independently. At Wrocław Medical University, Prof. Tadeusz Dobosz collected 15 samples and systematically excluded bacterial contamination — including Serratia marcescens, a bacterium that produces red pigment and has historically accounted for "bleeding host" reports — as well as fungal growth and chemical contamination. His team found fiber structures most similar to human heart tissue, though the results were described as inconclusive.
At the Pomeranian Medical University in Szczecin, Prof. Mirosław Parafiniuk conducted histopathological examination and DNA extraction. His analysis identified cross-striated muscle fragments most similar to human heart muscle, with alterations that often appear during agony. Mitochondrial DNA sequencing indicated human origin. Prof. Parafiniuk noted that the material was degraded and of microscopic size, and that such tissue could come from any mammal.
Dr. Barbara Engel, a cardiologist on the diocesan investigation commission, reported that UV microscopy with an orange filter identified the tissue as human myocardium. She noted that the blood found on the Host had not been tested, and that only human DNA had been confirmed."
cosmos8188 1 point a month ago
Screams ageism
FistingEnthusiast 1 point a month ago
You're stupid
FistingEnthusiast 2 points a month ago
No, it's accurate
You're a part of a cult and you can't shut the fuck up about it
If you were secure in your faith, you would keep it to yourself
Demdaru -17 points a month ago
Oh, when you look at miracles, they do heal a lot! Some of it is even scientifically proven IIRC. Human mind is a funny thing.
But in all cases, faith works on small scale, and quite often simply individual. So yeah...not even a start to science.
Demdaru -4 points a month ago
I mean, true. But at worst, faith worsk as a placebo, forcing our minds and bodies to fight harder for some unkown reason. At best, there were unexplainable cases. May as well assume it's faith until proven otherwise.
In all cases, statistically insignificant xD
Johandea 7 points a month ago
But at worst, faith worsk as a placebo
No. At worst faith will be the reason a parent don't bring their child to an actual doctor, which causes unnecessary suffering or death of an innocent child. Faith should be countered everywhere and every time.
JoeyHarrington 5 points a month ago
Nobody should be expected to believe in faith. Religions claim that something is true so it is on them to prove it. But it cannot be proven thus their claim should not be given due consideration. So the assumption is that science is real and religion is not.
We may as well believe in science I guess.
Jimbabwe 9 points a month ago
There’s no way to scientifically measure faith or miracles as you’re describing. Saying “miracles do heal a lot” is an absurdly meaningless statement.
On the other hand, there is some evidence that people don’t work as hard at their own recovery when they believe people are praying for them, so believing in mumbo jumbo can actually hurt you.
forbiddencherry 2 points a month ago
The placebo effect is scientific and real. It's so well established that when they are testing medicines they test them against placebo and track the placebo healing rates, because the drug needs to statistically heal better than the placebo healed.
MissJinx 5 points a month ago
look, I'm not bothered by your faith as long as you (religious people) keep it to yourselfs. The issue is using this, which is YOUR belief, as excuse to deny science? as is happening around the world.
cunnililgus 4 points a month ago
You know what, even though everyone is downvoting you, I sort of agree with you. Persons faith can help him get better, physically and mentally. Either through placebo or peace of mind. Thats the whole shtick with people not being afraid cause god got their back, or people turning their life around because of accepting faith into their life.
What's unfortunate with religion is the tendency of other humans exploiting that faith to commit awful things.
Faith's IMO definitely a double-edge sword and very subjective, which is it's strength and weakness.
Demdaru 2 points a month ago
Yeeeep. Faith is a tool, especially if said faith is based on good intentions. It can be used for good (peace of mind, hospitality, feeding the poor, supporting communities), but even if faith itself was infallibly good, community aeound it simply will never be. And people who need to take shelter in faith often are more easily manipulated, sadly.
cunnililgus 3 points a month ago
Fully agreed.
NihilsineNefas 2 points a month ago
Please provide any example of a scientifically proven miracle. (Other than that one politician at the podium saying "If I'm wrong may Allah strike me down" and immediately dying of a heart attack)
FistingEnthusiast -2 points a month ago
Don't breed.
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