New Twitter launches, says Musk's X gave up the name

2 months ago by some_guy to c/technology

Judge hasn't ruled on X Corp’s preliminary injunction, but Operation Bluebird plows ahead...

Get your shortnames while the getting's good.

N0t_5ure 376 points 2 months ago

Lol. It'd be hilarious if this succeeded. It was so dumb of Musk to change the name.

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muusemuuse 208 points 2 months ago

Most of what musk does is dumb.

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RaoulDuke25 106 points 2 months ago

He didn't get rich from being smart.

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SailorFuzz 95 points 2 months ago

I assume he got rich how most people get rich, luck and being a sociopath.

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thisbenzingring 82 points 2 months ago

also having a lot of money to start out with helps

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n4ch1sm0 37 points 2 months ago

And also by being a vaporware scam artist. Thunderf00t on YouTube has a whole collection of videos showcasing Musk's whole repertoire of bullshit.

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BassTurd 16 points 2 months ago

Mostly inherited wealth, but also those things.

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muusemuuse -7 points 2 months ago

A surprising number of people do not understand how getting rich works. Literally anyone can do it. You simply need to do whatever everyone else refuses to do.

You take on the risks. You debase yourself you compromise any and all ethics. You whore out for shareholders who will give you endless money to shield them from consequences they directly funded.

It’s profitable because there is always demand for a new villain and damn near nobody wants to do it. For a good fucking reason.

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NaibofTabr 14 points 2 months ago

A lot of it has to do with over-promising and under-delivering. The rest is marketing.

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yggstyle 2 points 2 months ago

I'm hearing 'once you have money do.....'

Care to tell me where that gullible userbase is coming from? Pray, tell - what do they come for?

Before that is even a factor you must either be first - with research and development ... and manufacturing... and distribution... or better. Or cheaper! Or able to undercut the competition.

Of the things mentioned... I seem to be struggling to find the element lacking a substantial financial investment.

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Lucidlethargy 5 points 2 months ago

Most? Can anyone name anything smart he's done in years?

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yggstyle 1 point 2 months ago

Finally deleted she who shall not be named from my address book.

Do I win?

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brachiosaurus 2 points 2 months ago

Most of what musk does is dumb.

People are dumber than him though, for example there are plenty of idiots here who share content from his platforms

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DarrinBrunner 2 points 2 months ago

I used to be surprised at how stupid billionaires can be. But, then I remembered they don't actually do anything where they work, and the real employees run behind them and clean up their messes. When they stick their fingers in the works, they fuck it up, Cybertruck being one example.

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yggstyle 2 points 2 months ago

Third generation curse.

I personally believe the cybertruck was a designer who was making fun of musk. He submitted a pinewood derby car he made when he was 7.

Its the literal emperors new clothes.

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BewareOfIdiot 1 point 2 months ago

Why? You don't find it convenient to say "X, formerly Twitter"? I think it just rolls off the tongue! /s

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mrmisses 253 points 2 months ago

I hope this takes off and people start using "tweet" and "twitter" again and it makes "x" completely irrelevant like his Hitler salute should have

Edit: it cost $20 to join?! I'm out

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antonim 173 points 2 months ago

Edit: it cost $20 to join?! I’m out

Well, they need something to pay the lawyers with once Musk takes notice.

Edit: I've just discovered this interesting concept called "reading the article" and found out that they've already been sued, though it's still not entirely settled.

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treadful 121 points 2 months ago

I’ve just discovered this interesting concept called “reading the article”

Spread the word my brother! You've got to let everyone know about this new fad!

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artyom 34 points 2 months ago

I read it but honestly, probably 80% of the time I do not. Because articles are very often full of pop ups and ads and tracking and paywalls, and are unnecessarily verbose (most can be summarized in 1-2 sentences), and are just republishing someone else's work while adding nothing, and simultaneously devoid of useful information or any actual sources.

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KyuubiNoKitsune 20 points 2 months ago

Some of that can be solved with Firefox and unblock.

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protist 14 points 2 months ago

I’ve just discovered this interesting concept called “reading the article”

What dark magic is this

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Mulligrubs 19 points 2 months ago

I’ve just discovered this interesting concept called “reading the article”

This is liberal propaganda FAKE NEWS

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luciferofastora 8 points 2 months ago

Edit: I've just discovered this interesting concept called "reading the article"

Jokes aside: I think it's great that you read the article, then went back to both acknowledge that it covered your point and admit that you didn't before.

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DarrinBrunner 2 points 2 months ago

I’ve just discovered this interesting concept called “reading the article”

Wait. Is that allowed?

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Ek-Hou-Van-Braai 1 point 2 months ago

How do I learn this power?

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antonim 1 point 2 months ago

This here is an excellent guide:

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zeezee 80 points 2 months ago path: 0 25505760 25507046, hotness: undefined, score: 80, children: 7
orgrinrt 14 points 2 months ago

Oh fuck this is embarrassing

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printerhell 13 points 2 months ago

That site was blocked by spectrum when I tried it

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n7gifmdn 4 points 2 months ago

Lol

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bountygiver 4 points 2 months ago

Probably a pre-emptive block to stop scam sites from using domain that are similar.

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Squirrelanna 2 points 2 months ago

I don't think I've ever seen that many em dashes ever. Not even in the most copy/paste AI slop wall of text. Holy moly.

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brsrklf 6 points 2 months ago

Wow you were not kidding. Some of them are extra awkward and unnatural too, it's almost a parody of what slop text looks like.

We believe people should have more control over what they see — and more transparency about the information in front of them.

An early illustration of the idea — you decide how much low-trust noise reaches your feed:

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shirasho 1 point 2 months ago

You can't pay me enough to click on that link.

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ryper 49 points 2 months ago

Edit: it cost $20 to join?! I’m out

They probably need the money to pay for their AI-based "fact-checking":

A new and notable feature is the automated fact-checking tool, a Gemini-based “veracity engine for real-time analysis” (“Vera” for short), which runs on every tweet.

Using a technology that's known for making shit up, for fact-checking, is so dumb, but it will probably bring in investors because AI.

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norkoris 22 points 2 months ago

Do they expect everything posted to be just news and information that can be fact-checked? Is this AI going to fact-check my opinions and shitposts too?

The homepage feels like AI slop too.

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brsrklf 7 points 2 months ago

"I just watched movie. It sucked!"

"Beep boop. According to trustworthy, verifiable sources, movie does not suck. Sanction : immediate ban."

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drmoose 1 point 2 months ago

AI is very good at classification

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Kissaki 5 points 2 months ago

Every tweet

Poop emoji - this has been fact checked but can not be independently verified due to lack of context

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AngryRedHerring 28 points 2 months ago

Edit: it cost $20 to join?! I'm out

...As a "founder"; we'll see how long that lasts

but til then at least, I'm out too

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sundray 12 points 2 months ago

it cost $20 to join?

Shit, that's twice as much as it used to cost to join Something Awful, and I bet you don't even get access to furry porno.

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Varesti 6 points 2 months ago

I'd still be hesitant if they paid me 20$ to join.

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RobotToaster 6 points 2 months ago

Sounds like a grift.

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frostedtrailblazer 5 points 2 months ago

Are we sure it’s not mostly still bots on Twitter? I deleted my account back then and have not been back.

At least, not willingly back, since some people still hyperlink to Twitter directly rather than just sharing screenshots of whatever the content was. So you click the text hyperlink thinking it’s to a web article, only for it to bring you to some random string of tweets visibly displayed in the least logical order.

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mrmisses 4 points 2 months ago

Oh I'm positive it's mainly bots and morons on x

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NotMyOldRedditName 4 points 2 months ago

people start using “tweet” and “twitter” again

I never stopped

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n7gifmdn 6 points 2 months ago

No one else did either

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luciferofastora 2 points 2 months ago

I called it X-twitter. I didn't really use "tweet" though; mostly because I tend to talk about toots more than tweets.

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Bipauler 1 point 2 months ago

I tend to talk about my toots after I eat a can of spicy chili beans right out the can

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mrgoosmoos 2 points 2 months ago

what what term do people use for tweets on shitter now? just "posts"?

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bdot 7 points 2 months ago

x-crete

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Serinus 5 points 2 months ago

Xhit

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n7gifmdn 1 point 2 months ago

Tweets

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Ganbat 1 point 2 months ago

it cost $20 to join?! I'm out

Yep, I can't spend the money now, which is probably true for a lot of people, and I'm definitely gonna forget this is a thing by the time it's free or I have the money, which is probably true for a lot of people.

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muusemuuse -7 points 2 months ago

Dude reread that post.

“I hope this takes off and makes the Nazi platform irrelevent….but not for $20. I’m okay with Nazis for $20.”

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mrmisses 10 points 2 months ago

I'm poor.

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muusemuuse 2 points 2 months ago

Same. I’m not calling you cheap. I’m pointing out that saying $20 to pop a Nazi’s balloon shouldn’t be an offensive ask.

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sukhmel 1 point 2 months ago

Yeah, everyone is outraged at being a product when using free services, but then also outraged at paid ones.

I'm a bit suspicious of how they want to implement scoring, I feel like it's either going to be gamed by users or rigged by owners, but otherwise it looks fine as an idea and as a replacement for xitter

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SuperNovaStar 10 points 2 months ago

Given that it's charging an entry fee right now, and is VC backed and corpo controlled....

Probably a fash - or at least neoliberal - app already. The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy, no more and no less.

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muusemuuse 3 points 2 months ago

Let them eat eachother.

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luciferofastora 5 points 2 months ago

I hope that Mastodon takes off and makes the Nazi platform irrelevant. For free. Independently of corporate and investor goodwill.

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Melobol 3 points 2 months ago

$20 isn't just $20 in most countries around the world.
For some it is more than they can make in a month. Tho those people probably never seen the Internet.

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manuremy 141 points 2 months ago

So, I'm just checking..

  1. It is not open source?
  2. It uses AI to "Fact-Check"?
  3. It costs 20$ to join, and possibly more later?

Well, they have chosen interesting path those people behind this thing.

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Diplomjodler3 33 points 2 months ago

This will never amount to more than a cash grab.

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DarrinBrunner 1 point 2 months ago

Sadly, true.

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ZILtoid1991 15 points 2 months ago

If only it was just a Mastodon instance (was thinking about creating "Twatter", as a joke).

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BurgerBaron 4 points 2 months ago

They'll fail pretty quickly I bet, so the Mastodon instance could still happen later!

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raspberriesareyummy 8 points 2 months ago

sounds like Shitler himself launched the "new site" for some extra money grabbing.

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crakila 118 points 2 months ago
  • Cash grab on an old name and hoping people pony up the $20 to join it.
  • Not using ActivityPub or ATProto.

Yeah, it's already DOA.

If anyone is serious about creating a new centralised social network these days, they have already lost.

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mcv 23 points 2 months ago

Shame. A new Twitter that supports all the open protocols would have been cool. Fediverse with a name people recognise.

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itsjustachairmary 8 points 2 months ago

Isn't that just Mastodon?

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mcv 11 points 2 months ago

Mastodon is not called Twitter, and the vast majority of people have no idea what it is, unfortunately. A Mastodon instance called Twitter would be a great idea, although I think Mastodon doesn't support all the protocols like Friendica does. But Friendica is too unlike Twitter.

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jonzobot 2 points 2 months ago

I suppose that could potentially drag Mastodon's developer into a legal fight (if X were to sue them), which would be costly and a distraction.

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communism 16 points 2 months ago

It may well be intended as a serious attempt but personally I'm just going to view it as trolling/a gimmick, in which case I don't care how shit the actual platform is. Seems to be more about making a point against Musk than getting a serious userbase.

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FordBeeblebrox 7 points 2 months ago

Somewhere in there is step 3: profit

I want to start a business that fleeces these rubes, how does an average man break into the bullshit game

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funkless_eck 2 points 2 months ago

and the sign up doesn't even work, just 404s

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crakila 2 points 2 months ago

Oh lol. It must have been because their firebase tokens were exposed and people were able to get around the waitlist/payment and sign up for an account.

Take a look: https://x.com/Patrosi73/status/2093079851393524087 (I would link to Xcancel/Nitter... but space karen decided to wig out)

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TRex91 1 point 2 months ago

Would be funny if Twitter/X Supports ATProto. Maybe also don't give up the X Brand and you could interact with Bluesky users or twitter or X Handles and if you Bridge to the Fediverse yeah that works to. I could really delete my x/Twitter Profile and say. Hey My new Handle is my bridged Mastodon Account.

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Jinarched 83 points 2 months ago

2022: Come on, it's just 8$ it's basically the price of a coffee.

2026: Come on, it's just 20$ it's basically the price of a coffee.

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SGG 45 points 2 months ago

2030: Come on, it's just 50 bottle caps, it's basically the price of a coffee.

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one_of_twelve 28 points 2 months ago

2050: What’s coffee?

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madmantis24 4 points 2 months ago

:(

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TootGuitar 6 points 2 months ago

Literally every year since the internet was created: the dollar sign goes before the number, my dude.

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Jinarched 9 points 2 months ago

Didn't know since we don't follow this convention where I'm from.

Shrugs

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chewypoops 3 points 2 months ago

Every one of these symbols goes before the number: $€£¥₹

Where are you from where it comes after? What currency do you use?

The only time this comes after the number, that I am aware of, is when you use abbreviations like USD or EUR instead of the symbol.

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LwL 7 points 2 months ago

It's language specific. In english it comes before the number. In many other languages it comes after.

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TootGuitar 2 points 2 months ago

Where are you from? In English it's always the case that you put the dollar sign before the number.

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Scrollone 5 points 2 months ago

The dollar sign in English, maybe. But other languages and currencies have the symbol after the value, so it's easy to get confused

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TootGuitar 3 points 2 months ago

I understand that it’s different in other languages, but I often see this behavior from native US Americans who only speak English.

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mobyduck648 0 points 2 months ago

Is it that relevant in this day and age? I was taught you put £ (or whatever currency you're using) first when you're writing so Johnny Fraudster can't turn your 100£ into 1100£.

That all feels a bit immaterial on the web.

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Rcklsabndn 3 points 2 months ago

Hence the underline under the 00 cents/pence on a check/cheque.

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TootGuitar 2 points 2 months ago

Yes, it’s relevant in this day and age, because it’s still incorrect to do it the other way (at least in English and with $£¥ and a couple others, as another commenter pointed out).

When I read “20$” my first thought is that the person writing it didn’t pay attention in elementary school.

And being lenient about it on the web leads to the behavior leaking into the real world on things like shop signs.

Don’t even get me started on people who (mostly IRL) write things like “0.99¢” which makes me want to give them a cent and tell them to keep the change.

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Jinarched 1 point 2 months ago

I don't speak english natively. That's why I didn't know, yeah.

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Miaou 1 point 2 months ago

Now think about how much worse it is for every non-English western language! But good luck with your endeavour.

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TootGuitar 82 points 2 months ago

It seems like maybe the commenters here thus far are missing the (obvious from the title) fact that this is not affiliated with Musk or “X” at all? I admire the aggressiveness of this move and I’ll be rooting for them.

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art 12 points 2 months ago

Seems pretty obvious it's not related to Musk or X. However, it's just another proprietary social network. We are all familiar with the pattern now. Proprietary network and investors eventually means enshitification.

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arotrios 76 points 2 months ago

The real power move here would be to grab the domain name and run a free Mastodon instance off of it.

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brucethemoose 65 points 2 months ago

Yeah. "Lets try centralized algorithmic corporate social media again."

Im sure this attempt will end up just as wholesome.

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Scrollone 21 points 2 months ago

Also, with a website that's clearly designed by AI.

What could go wrong

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forkDestroyer 9 points 2 months ago

Gonna be digg 2.0 (or 3.0?) all over again.

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SirEDCaLot 6 points 2 months ago

I'm not claiming Twitter is great.

But this is obviously going to fail, always was obviously going to fail. It's a PR stunt, nothing more.

Twitter will sue them, they'll settle for giving up the name and some token fine, and hopefully they're on the map. Or, their hail mary long shot will pay off and they'll get to call themselves twitter in which case holy shit they're golden. That's the strategy.

It's stupid- they'll lose in court and I doubt whatever they offer is more compelling than what's already out there.

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5318008 3 points 2 months ago

It's stupid

Definitely.

they'll lose in court

I'm not sure they will, genuinely. They intentionally abandoned the domain name for the website... and they're no longer using the logo or name anywhere on their product, or corporate documentation.

The case that it's up for grabs is actually decently strong.

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SirEDCaLot 1 point 2 months ago

Disney didn't use Steamboat Willie for a while, they didn't lose it....

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5318008 1 point 2 months ago

Steamboat Willie is an example of Copyright. Twitter is an example of a Trademark. A Copyright is much much much easier to defend than a Trademark.

https://www.uspto.gov/...

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ShaunKL 1 point 2 months ago

This is more akin to Disney saying, “We hate mice! Disney is now a chain of casinos and we’re rebranding to 🅱️!”

Could almost be similar to the situation that forced Musk to buy Twitter in the first place, because he of course tweeted that Twitter would never be Twitter again and they were ‘getting rid of the bird’”.

There are more details in the article and older articles linked as well.

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axx 0 points 2 months ago

Trademark requires continued use and defending the mark. X has arguably not done thethe first in any meaningful way.

While the whole thing looks fishy and will likely fail because the space is already too crowded, it is funny to see someone turn the tables on the shitbirds that fucked Twitter up beyond recognition

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Axolotl_cpp 56 points 2 months ago

Yeah i'il keep using mastodon and bluesky, also, they already have investors so it's dead at birth for me

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7101334 66 points 2 months ago

Bluesky is also owned by a corporation and, like Twitter, could sell to a fascist billionaire whenever they find it profitable to do so.

X vs Bluesky is a great microcosm of American team-sports politics. Mastodon is something actually new.

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Axolotl_cpp 10 points 2 months ago

Yeah that's true but perfect is the enemy of good, Mastodon isn't gaining much traction so my hope is that at least we can get a federated protocol, whatever it is

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7101334 12 points 2 months ago

Perfect is the enemy of good, but so is the desire for convenience.

Mastodon gains less traction because it doesn't have an advertising budget, unlike Bluesky. Because Bluesky is owned by a corporation.

Is Bluesky federated? I thought it wasn't. Tumblr also said they were going to, but then just... didn't.

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LodeMike 4 points 2 months ago

Bluesky is federated if you have $10,000,000

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Axolotl_cpp 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah it does, though it uses their own protocol (ATprotocol) they open sourced it too

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Felis_Catus_Domesticus -11 points 2 months ago
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Axolotl_cpp 4 points 2 months ago

You look like a mentally ill not them, sorry

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Legisign 2 points 2 months ago

Being aware of stuff is a fault?!

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DoomBananas 1 point 2 months ago

Wow it's been so long since I've seen so many faults in one comment.

Do you have someone you can talk to about these feelings? It sounds like you have some repressed feelings in there.

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martti 1 point 2 months ago

Bro seems to forget the early twitter when writting ts

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Regrettable_incident 9 points 2 months ago

Yeah but ppl are on bluesky

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mEEGal 10 points 2 months ago

who needs people when you can talk to leftist nerds ?

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fyzzlefry 3 points 2 months ago

Have you met people?

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Ilovethebomb 1 point 2 months ago

After seeing what happened to Twitter following the purchase, I think anyone who buys Bluesky would be very wary about trashing the brand in the same way.

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Kaligalis 5 points 2 months ago

Don't just look at the company profits. After Musk bought Twitter, Trump won and Musk gained direct access to the government. I think, that's a pretty good return on the investment.
But most importantly: Elon now has his own big media company. No longer are the other rich guys ridiculing him because he doesn't have his own media empire. He's now a real full member in the club.

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Zanathos 4 points 2 months ago

Do not underestimate the power of capitalism

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7101334 1 point 2 months ago

Unless it's Larry Ellison, or Elon Musk again, or one of the other many technofascist billionaires with money to burn in pursuit of social engineering.

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PhoenixDog 9 points 2 months ago

also, they already have investors so it’s dead at birth for me

Launching with the immediate intent for profit screams either a scam (Especially with Musk being kind to give up the name, massive red flag).

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Axolotl_cpp 4 points 2 months ago

Yeah

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Zedd_Prophecy 3 points 2 months ago

Smells like deception. Please come to our "New" site with the same name but this one is totally not uncool or handing all your personal info to Musk.

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PhoenixDog 3 points 2 months ago

But spend more money? $8 on that piece of shit "X" site. Fucking joke show.

But you can pay $20 for the premium instantaneous social media aggregate algorithm site! You'll get all the top paid for profit sponsored posts first before anyone else! Just imagine retweeting your friends minutes before they see this million dollar donated Pepsi ad that is collaborating with Oreo! Whooooaaaaaa! You'll be the most popular person in your friend group for 15 seconds! But make sure you share first or else you'll be ostracized by everyone because you didn't pay an extra $9.99 for ultra fast retweet privilege!

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antianarchist 53 points 2 months ago

Yay, another centralized service owned by investors. And they want to build on “trust” lmao. Fuck off.

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im_fine_sandy 5 points 2 months ago

but it's got AI fact checking! /s

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aeronmelon 47 points 2 months ago

Doesn’t appear to be federated. No reason to leave Mastodon.

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AgentSeven 44 points 2 months ago

I didn't like Twitter enough to join it when it didn't cost $20.

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Rcklsabndn 1 point 2 months ago

I was stoked back when it first came out. 'I can be snarky to a million strangers and promote my writing!?' But even back in the '10s most followers were bots and any real people engaging in my posts were drowned by digital pedantry.

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banause 41 points 2 months ago

A Masto instance would have been cool. But that is just garbage.

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eyekaytee -55 points 2 months ago
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mikey 39 points 2 months ago

you know you're not forced to be here, right? 🤫

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eyekaytee -35 points 2 months ago
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kuiskaaja 28 points 2 months ago
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Diplomjodler3 23 points 2 months ago

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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nasi_goreng 8 points 2 months ago

You know that Fediverse is decentralized, right? Lots of instance barely have anything American, especially Asian instance.

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mobyduck648 7 points 2 months ago

I'll be honest Americentrism annoys me too, but we can hardly complain when we're on lemmy.world of all places.

America is the largest Anglophone country so you can't really complain about them being numerous on an international English-speaking audience, not exactly their fault they did a lot of baby booming in the late '40s.

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Duamerthrax 4 points 2 months ago

Is voat still around? You might fit in there.

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GreenKnight23 3 points 2 months ago

oh look, an AfD member!

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Jankatarch 9 points 2 months ago

It's running through servers, they objectively must stay cool.

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eyekaytee -20 points 2 months ago
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michaelalf 5 points 2 months ago

What the fuck is wrong with you?

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crypt0cler1c 6 points 2 months ago

Touch grass

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luciferofastora 37 points 2 months ago

A new and notable feature is the automated fact-checking tool, a Gemini-based “veracity engine for real-time analysis” (“Vera” for short), which runs on every tweet.

Bwahahahaa

Really? The Gemini that got Google sued and found liable for the misinformation it spread? That's who you wanna trust to check for "veracity"?

I'm not paying a $20 entry fee into a walled garden that wastes energy and water to have a text processor guess whether my arrangement of words resembles its training material closely enough.

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ZILtoid1991 6 points 2 months ago

Because AI boosters made people believe not using AI/not wanting to engage with AI generated output is an extremist position, so you must use AI, just read the output, and maybe rewrite it.

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boonhet 1 point 2 months ago

I like using AI for coding (no, I don't blindly commit massive features), but any time I ask it questions that don't have super clear-cut answers obvious to the layman from a quick google search, it tends to give "good enough" answers which are actually "nowhere near".

Go ask it (well, really, google search) something to do with tuning an Audi 3.0 tdi ASB or BMK engine and it'll think you have a nice Garrett turbo that's easy to build hybrids from and a weak CP4 pump that can implode on you and take out the entire fuel system... Whereas you actually have a weak ass BorgWarner turbo that can't support bigger internals and a super strong CP3 pump because it was shamelessly using forum threads about the newer versions with the 4 digit codes (CDYA, CASA, etc) as the source.

These are the things you easily know when you've either read a lot of forum threads, or peeked under the hood of one of these engines. But most AI tools' web search tends to just look at the first threads it finds and deem that good enough.

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luciferofastora 4 points 2 months ago

It's a text generator that strings together plausible word sequences. It doesn't actually understand what an engine or a turbo is beyond the contexts and constellations in which those words frequently occur. It has no reliable way to tell which parts of the prompt are technically critical and need to match exactly.

In that way, it's not too different from laypeople like me: I have no idea about turbos and pumps either. I still might figure out that I need to check for the specific model and engine, but without knowkng exactly what I'm dealing with, chances are I might end up trusting the same (wrong) results.

I would assume if you include the keywords BorgWarner and CP3 pump, the more specific context might bias the probability space of likely answers towards more relevant results. That makes it a potentially useful assistant for people who already have that level of expertise and are just looking for specific answers on particular cases... except you'd still have to read the actual sources to make sure.

Basically, it could serve as a more sophisticated search engine for natural language, an iteration on previous query processing and correlation technologies. If I don't need to remember the exact wording or sender of a mail about a specific topic, a model trained on the terminology might pick out rough matches based on related words without needing to get the exact keywords right.

Frankly, I think that's the most sensible application of LLMs: find sources, not facts. Using it for fact checking is like skating on a recently frozen lake where you can't tell which parts are solid enough to carry you and which ones will suddenly break.

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boonhet 2 points 2 months ago

Ah but the thing is, the sources it finds are themselves wrong. They're talking about different things. If it finds the right sources, the information is most likely pretty good.

It's entirely possible that this could still be tuned somehow, but the way it is now, I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of it unless I know enough to verify the output myself, meaning it's pretty useless to laymen (which is whom a "veracity" bot would be for)

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luciferofastora 1 point 2 months ago

Ah but the thing is, the sources it finds are themselves wrong. They're talking about different things. If it finds the right sources, the information is most likely pretty good.

That's what I was trying to get at, yeah: The word-correlator can't tell the difference because it can't tell which part of the prompt is critical for the difference. It also can't judge whether the sources themselves are accurate about the things they're actually talking about. It find sources that seem related, then aggregates some likely response from those sources and spits it out. By its own metrics and limitations, that has to be "good enough" (but as you say, may be wildly wrong).

My suspicion is that adding more specific terms to the prompt may increase the textual "distance" between the fitting results and the irrelevant ones, thus tilting the source selection towards the more accurate match, but that requires you to know those specific terms in the first place.

It's entirely possible that this could still be tuned somehow

With a general model? I doubt it.

A subject-specific model could probably be tweaked to recognise particular tokens and assign them more weight. Depending on the subject, you might be able to add pre-processing logic to crossreference certain keywords (like model and engine type) with some objective database (like a table describing which pumps a given motor might have, if that makes sense?).

You could also pick the training material more diligently to ensure you only have qualified, reliable sources for that subject. That would require a lot of work, since you also need enough material for the model to be representative.

And you'd have to do that for every specialised field out there.

I wouldn't trust anything that comes out of it unless I know enough to verify the output myself, meaning it's pretty useless to laymen (which is whom a "veracity" bot would be for)

Hit the nail on the head there. For all we know, it'll "correct" facts by doubling down on common misconceptions.

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notabot 1 point 2 months ago

it tends to give “good enough” answers which are actually “nowhere near”.

The problem is it's doing this when coding too. The resulting screed often looks plausible if you only look at it at the surface level, but once you dig in to it, it's "nowhere near" and usually full of missed conditions on the unhappy path in particular.

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Anti_Iridium 1 point 2 months ago

As a Cummins owner, it makes me smile to know the CP3 has earned its reputation in other circles.

I once drove to the next city 60 miles away at 55 mph, because that's as much fuel as the CP3 could force past my failed low pressure fuel pump. If I had a CP4 I would have been stuck at the side of the road with a big problem instead.

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hperrin 37 points 2 months ago

For $20? No thanks.

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Carl 36 points 2 months ago

Let me save you some trouble: It costs $20 to make an account.

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Grail 36 points 2 months ago

Twitter 2

Ooh

Gemini fact checking

Awww

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Duamerthrax 36 points 2 months ago

And I'm going to keep dead naming X as Twitter until Musk stops dead naming his daughter. I never used the site in the first place, but that's besides the point.

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PhoenixDog 16 points 2 months ago

And I’m going to keep dead naming X as Twitter until Musk stops dead naming his daughter.

I'll dead name Twitter long after Musk stops dead naming his daughter, or he himself is dead. X is a stupid fucking name.

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Duamerthrax 7 points 2 months ago

We both know Musk is never going to stop dead naming his daughter, so same difference.

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Upgrayedd1776 3 points 2 months ago

imo musk is a deadname now after he came out as a nazi. Now its just the nazi or space nazi if there are multiple nazi's in the subject being discussed

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jpreston2005 2 points 2 months ago

I joined when it was the only way to win a pair of tickets to The Colbert show's last taping. I didn't win, I've never opened the site again. My username is like "adifficultpoo" lol

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AliOski 1 point 2 months ago

ngl, who cares? I've never seen somebody going rabid over calling it Twitter.

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Pamasich 33 points 2 months ago

Imo reviving Twitter as paid ai slop is just making a mockery of it.

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datavoid 10 points 2 months ago

Imo twitter was always a joke

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forkDestroyer 4 points 2 months ago

FAQ was dead linking when I clicked on it earlier, too.

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brsrklf 1 point 2 months ago

Twitter deserves the mockery. And this attempt too.

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Toasticus 32 points 2 months ago
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lookitsjustin 27 points 2 months ago

If nothing else we know this project will piss off Elon and that's always a plus.

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juice702 25 points 2 months ago

New logo looks like shit compared to the old one

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paraphrand 18 points 2 months ago

The original twitter bird was inspired by a third party app called Twitterific. They didn’t really use a bird, and blue, before it, IIRC.

It was also originally Twittr. Like Flickr. And Letterboxd.

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Obituarykidney 23 points 2 months ago

And Grindr

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crypt0cler1c 3 points 2 months ago

A man of taste....

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SaveTheTuaHawk 25 points 2 months ago

Twitter was awful before Musk bought it. Hard pass.

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flamingos 22 points 2 months ago

A new and notable feature is the automated fact-checking tool, a Gemini-based “veracity engine for real-time analysis” (“Vera” for short), which runs on every tweet.

Lol, they added 'Grok is this true' to the entire platform, just dead on arrival.

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Toasticus 3 points 2 months ago
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Phantom_Feline17 21 points 2 months ago

Yeah i can see it getting a couple of thousand people on board then stagnating like bluesky

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Ebby 21 points 2 months ago

X registered and still owns Twitter according to the USPTO in class 38, 41, and 45.

The payment service applied for class 36, 41, 42. Class 41 is duplicate and a problem..

That said, X will have to prove its use in commerce to renew if contested and has a duty to defend it's brand. If my limited knowledge serves... Best luck.

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Kissaki 7 points 2 months ago

This makes me wonder how the deno targeting Oracle to free the JavaScript trademark process is coming along. It's been a while since I read something from it.

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kraxla 20 points 2 months ago
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solidheron 17 points 2 months ago

Damn if it only fediverse user snagged the domain. It will be fun watching Elon seeth about it

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debil 3 points 2 months ago

Fortunately this probably irks Mulk Nose as it is.

(Also "se on mulk" works if you speak Finnish. Roughly translating to "it's (or he's, in informal spoken Finnish) a dic", mulkku being the actual word for dick (for both penis and someone being an asshole.)

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percent 16 points 2 months ago

Ah yes, just what the world needs: another Twitter.

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kestrel7_7 16 points 2 months ago

I did always think it was stupid that he bought a site with pretty great branding (twitter/tweets/the bird graphics etc) and immediately got rid of most of that branding.

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aesthelete 8 points 2 months ago

The worst part for me personally (and maybe nobody else) is I love the band the xx but wearing their merch these days makes it seem like I maybe support anything musk based.

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slampisko 5 points 2 months ago

I can relate with my love of the (now disbanded) post-metal band Isis 😅

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Rcklsabndn 2 points 2 months ago

I had a cat named Isis, thankfully dead before the antics of those roustabouts hit Western media.

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Eternal192 16 points 2 months ago

I'm already doing well here so i'll pass.

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naught101 14 points 2 months ago

That's pretty funny. And the trust thing is a cool idea (devils in the details though). If they committed to federation I'd be onboard.

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Gsus4 12 points 2 months ago

hahaha, this is the first thing I though after the idiot changed the iconic name to nothing, go twitter! (no, I'm not joining bluebird, but I like the trust threshold idea)

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MithranArkanere 12 points 2 months ago

Yeah. Not falling for that.

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Lojcs 12 points 2 months ago

“We are a small company, we have investors, and we have a product,” Stephen Coates, one of Operation Bluebird’s cofounders, told Ars.

A new and notable feature is the automated fact-checking tool, a Gemini-based “veracity engine for real-time analysis” (“Vera” for short), which runs on every tweet.

Nuff said

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Sibshops 11 points 2 months ago

Oh just want I want, another microblogging platform which algorithms to tell me what to think and what to be upset about.

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danielfm123 11 points 2 months ago

If not decentralized, it's a no go...

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TheChargedCreeper864 10 points 2 months ago

Should've been a Nitter instance

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carotte 10 points 2 months ago

A new and notable feature is the automated fact-checking tool, a Gemini-based “veracity engine for real-time analysis” (“Vera” for short), which runs on every tweet.

oh wow i can’t see how this could go wrong! /s

the whole site honestly reeks of vibecoded in an afternoon too. still extremely funny tho, i hope they win their case

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orgrinrt 3 points 2 months ago

“Veracity engine for real-time analysis” (“Vera” for short)

Sounds like normal human speech

I can give a lot of benefit of doubt to independent open source projects feeling vibecoded or ai assisted, I’ve had to partly try and get into it myself because the job market currently just demands showcases for that in the portfolio.

But the moment they ask money and get corporate, all bets are off. Fuck that. When it becomes “serious” like that, it should also be serious in how it’s built and presented. And gating something built using a tool trained on public corpus and the shared knowledge of the humankind, in good and bad, behind closed source and payments is exactly the kind of shit that makes it feel wrong too, not just embarrassing or questionable.

At this point I’ve had to accept some ai use in development is unavoidable when looking at cool projects, I use a tui editor called fresh that smells absolutely vibecoded, but it actually is decent and in my experience best in class for non-modal. So I am starting to feel less and less embarrassed or suspicious as a gut reaction, when I see one, and more inquisitive if I am interested, otherwise just move on without extra feelings about it. Unless it’s obvious slop that is. There are tiers to that shit too.

But if it’s closed source and paid for, it just feels lazy, embarrassing and actively annoying to me…

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pelespirit 9 points 2 months ago

Priceless

However, in an April 2026 hearing, US District Court Judge Colm Connolly gave a tentative ruling from the bench that X seemed to have given up intellectual property claims over the word “tweet” and the Twitter bird logo—and possibly even on the word “Twitter” as well. The judge has yet to issue a written order.

For Coates, who serves as Twitter’s new general counsel and previously worked in the same role during the pre-Musk era, the judge’s words were enough to serve as a green light.

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apftwb 8 points 2 months ago

Twitter, formally X, formally Twitter

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Mr_Dr_Oink 8 points 2 months ago

Not sure if we really need more social media.

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Rcklsabndn 7 points 2 months ago

They're probably trying to give Phoenix vibes with the new logo, but I'm not Pheelin' it.

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SLVRDRGN 7 points 2 months ago

A comment from a reader of that article said: "Running some real 'Gandalf the White/Twitter as it was meant to be' energy."

And I can agree.

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kamen 7 points 2 months ago

Paid early access? I think I'll pass...

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Pika 6 points 2 months ago

If it wasn't $20 to join, I might have tried it. But considering they haven't even finished their core case saying whether or not they're even allowed to use the branding yet, and they're trying to get $20 or $40 out of every new user, I'm going to pass.

I will check back at a later date to see its progress, but right now I don't think it's worth it.

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qaz 6 points 2 months ago

The site looks vibe coded. It's possible they just bought the trademark, quickly set up a site and hope to capitalize on the reputation of former Twitter.
The $20 and $40 early access certainly makes it seem like it. Even if that isn't the case, time has shown that centralized social media has flaws so idealists will just stay with Mastodon while the people that want a large user base and easy of use will just use BlueSky instead. IMO there is no market aside from a possible gofundme-invention type exit scam.

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QuandaleDingle 6 points 2 months ago

Just shut down the damned thing already.

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aeronmelon 5 points 2 months ago

Twitter in name only.

And not even that, just the domain says Twitter. It’s called Bluebird.

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morto 7 points 2 months ago

But the bird in the logo is white!

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QuandaleDingle 1 point 2 months ago

Huh??? Ok, now I'm confused. It's Bluebird now, huh?

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wallabra 5 points 2 months ago

Coates and his coterie

Hah

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WizardArtsPropaganda 5 points 2 months ago
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wangaBanga 5 points 2 months ago

Twitter for tweets and X for twats.

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PattyMcB 3 points 2 months ago

I like Xitter (shitter) and Xeets (shits)

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BilboBargains 5 points 2 months ago

Is Trump-Hitler2028 still available? I will settle for hotBillionaireGulag.

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friend_of_satan 5 points 2 months ago

Social media confusion intensifies.

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Magnum 4 points 2 months ago path: 0 25510625, hotness: undefined, score: 4, children: 0
Mwa 3 points 2 months ago

Finally Twitter's name and logo isn't a ripoff of the X Windowing System(maybe)

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iltg 3 points 2 months ago

i can't even resolve the app.twitter.now subdomain, off to a great start

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aim4harmony 3 points 2 months ago

Will be called TwiXtrr now? 😛😄

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orenj 2 points 2 months ago

Oh! Oh....

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FriendOfDeSoto 2 points 2 months ago

There are few feces filled salvoes flung at Melon Usk that I would object to. This is not one of them. The question I have though is this: do we need a new Twitter? It had its time in the sun but most people look back at it through rose tinted glasses. Before the takeover by the son of South African emerald mine owners, Twitter was in deep trouble. It had cultural relevance but was a financial flop. It benefited from being the first service of its kind with sufficient reach. I don't think Twitter would have survived without the Nazi saluting shithead either. Its decline would have been more graceful by comparison. It would have done it without the bullshit tsunami emanating from the top, it wouldn't have had the money to digitally undress people or other adventures in so-called AI, but I believe it would have faded anyway. People have split up from the one consensus platform to many different ones and making people switch is hard. So coming back now with a new Twitter is like announcing we will electrocute another Topsy next week. That turned heads more than a century ago but we have moved on.

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TropicalDingdong 2 points 2 months ago path: 0 25506294, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Salvo 2 points 2 months ago

I think that many people have moved on from commercial social media, I know that I certainly have.

Unless they are Federated, they are DOA. Maybe someone can create a Mastodon server from the ashes of their IP when they go under.

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adespoton 2 points 2 months ago path: 0 25508400, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
flightyhobler 2 points 2 months ago

He gave up the name so that we stop using it to refer to his pile of shit.

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ToxicWaste 2 points 2 months ago

i don't care about that social media platform. but i do hope that new twitter becomes more popular than musk twitter. from a technical standpoint they both seem shit with AI and pay to play. but at least its not musk and i would hope he gets quite a bit pissed if new twitter takes a good slice of his matket.

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bitjunkie 2 points 2 months ago

Fucking lol

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bridgeenjoyer 1 point 2 months ago

"Genius businessman" mmhm. Total grift. Idiot. In any other world he'd be living in a trailer park with trump flags all over his truck, working at Walmart yelling at brown people.

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TheTechnician27 5 points 2 months ago

Edit: See comments below


You know, I 100% agree with your assessment of Musk. It's just that you're saying this about something that Musk has nothing to do with except actively opposing it. The subheader:

Judge hasn’t ruled on X Corp’s preliminary injunction, but Operation Bluebird plows ahead

It's such trivial, basic etiquette to read beyond the headline before commenting on the article you're supposed to be discussing. I'm really sick of wading through comments by lazy assholes who've spent more time vomiting out their gut reaction to the headline than just sitting down and reading for 30 seconds.

Reddit was bad about this, but Lemmy is somehow fucking next-level.

  • The headline itself is already clear this isn't Musk's. Why would the new Twitter be saying Musk gave up the name if it were run by Musk?
  • Even if it wasn't (it is), the subheader is abundantly clear.
  • Ars is a solid, well-written source with a good reputation for not wasting waste your time with churnalism or clickbait.

Just running through some common excuses people who refuse to read use to shift their profound, utter laziness onto anyone but themselves.

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bridgeenjoyer 3 points 2 months ago

I read it, I know its not him. I was referring to how stupid he was for changing the name of an insanely popular household term. Absolute idiocy becuase of his ego loving the letter x.

Its like Kleenex changing their name to bleepoopy and demanding everyone now say get me a bleepoopy I have a runny nose. Utter idiocy.

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TheTechnician27 1 point 2 months ago

I was referring to how stupid he was for changing the name of an insanely popular household term.

Okay. I un-downvoted, but I think you should consider rewriting, because right now, it reads like you're calling the new Twitter a Musk grift. That's not just me; the second-top comment seems to be referring to your comment but politely not mentioning it by name.

As for the grift part, it's complicated, because on the one hand, it was a bald-faced grift going in where he meant to manipulate the stock market (his repeated attempts to back out prove that). But on the other, having to complete that deal meant he gained control of one of the largest social media networks in the world. And he's clearly been using that to political ends that are hard to qualify but probably – given the extreme worldwide rise in right-wing authoritarianism – fairly successful.

(Assuming it made a difference getting Trump into office, that $44 billion is probably well paid off through political corruption alone.)


For context for future readers, current comment is just:

"Genius businessman" mmhm. Total grift. Idiot. In any other world he'd be living in a trailer park with trump flags all over his truck, working at Walmart yelling at brown people.

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bridgeenjoyer 1 point 2 months ago

Ah yeah I can see that.

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melsaskca 1 point 2 months ago

I still call elon's BBS twitter (on purpose).

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Dead_or_Alive 0 points 2 months ago

Ohhh Noos! The branding I choose which no one wanted or ever adopted is tarnished by my own actions from the last two years… Let’s rebrand and hopefully the user base will no longer associate my actions with this service anymore!

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Zoomboingding 6 points 2 months ago

Read the article next time. Another company claims X abandoned the name and is launching a competetor using "Twitter" "Tweets" and Twitter.now url.

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crypt0cler1c -3 points 2 months ago

All the criticisms are completely valid and yet I'm so fucking down for this.

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