New compression technique

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MalReynolds 325 points a month ago

Trying to find it funny, but in 2026 it's way too close to the bone and just makes me sad.

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UnderpantsWeevil 111 points a month ago

Had Sam Altman personally vocalized this article in full sincerity, I would not have been surprised.

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jafra 20 points a month ago

Yeah. I first thought it's about jpeg, then i read ai and i wasnt sure if its worrying stupidity reporting or bad satire. Edit: i thought '92 i mean

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AmyAye 7 points a month ago

Yeah, like how they are destroying rare books.

I mean, you don't get that back just by asking the content theft machine.

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DaddleDew 189 points a month ago

Amateur. I can compress entire seasons of a TV series to a few bytes. All I have to do is type its title in Netflix and then BAM, gigabytes of video come out.

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rockSlayer 64 points a month ago

Sure, but Netflix has a lot of cache misses for my favorite shows. I found a random website that has compressed matches for thousands more shows and movies than Netflix

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3abas 4 points a month ago

I pirate my shit.

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msage 10 points a month ago

TTJ.jpg

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bampop 15 points a month ago

Back in the day we had this neat trick to do 100% compression on photos. Just print them out on pieces of paper, for completely byte-free storage!

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Sanctus 86 points a month ago

Lmfao "tears of joy"

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toy_boat_toy_boat 7 points a month ago

Precisely! We human people all know that tears definitely do not express joy.

Correct?

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OldGrayDog 58 points a month ago

I've read that the Trump administration is hiring him to archive all of the Epstein files using that format.

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some_designer_dude 14 points a month ago

Compressing the Epstein files is easy: “Donald Trump raped children.” What’s my Weissman score?

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dylanTheDeveloper 53 points a month ago

This is so sad, Chat GPT generate me an email responding to this article

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ShellMonkey 42 points a month ago

On a similar note, I saw a story a bit back of someone saving input tokens by feeding the bot an image of a wall of text rather than the text itself and having it read the image via OCR.

Satire and reality are too hard too distinguish these days.

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skisnow 8 points a month ago

I see this one all the time on LinkedIn, the management rubes love it

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SorryQuick 4 points a month ago

Saves input tokens and uses more output because of OCR, and output is priced way higher.

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Rooster326 3 points a month ago

It's an accounting trick. It uses a different budget....

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boonhet 1 point a month ago

Also if you're doing anything multi-prompt, that output is re-used as (luckily cached) input tokens for the next prompt anyway lol

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topperharlie 3 points a month ago

I mean, back in my days (👴) people sent a photo pasted into a word document, so things haven't change that much...

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Natanael 3 points a month ago

They still do

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brian 1 point a month ago

this is the default compaction method in omp now. afaik it's exploiting the pricing structure of the big providers more than anything

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kamen 39 points a month ago

Lossless -> lossy -> mindless.

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dellish 11 points a month ago

-> mindy?

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hancock 5 points a month ago

mindly?

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kamen 4 points a month ago

Probably not very.

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pressanykeynow 31 points a month ago path: 0 25634362, hotness: undefined, score: 31, children: 5
sukhmel 19 points a month ago

That's nice, albeit I want to point out for anyone wondering that this is only conjectured and not guaranteed:

One of the properties that π is conjectured to have is that it is normal, which is to say that its digits are all distributed evenly, with the implication that it is a disjunctive sequence, meaning that all possible finite sequences of digits will be present somewhere in it.

There is no guarantee for any specific sequence to appear in π, but for short chunks chances are better (it's not really a probability, but it's simpler to say and I can't explain in details anyway). That's because (from wiki):

It is widely believed that the (computable) numbers √2, π, and e are normal, but a proof remains elusive.

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tetris11 2 points a month ago

It's pronounced "Piff Es" for anyone wondering

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Axolotl_cpp 5 points a month ago

Idk if it's irony, but the real pronounce is probably /paɪ ɛf-ɛs/ (english)
or /'pi fs/ in every other language that reads letters as they are written normally

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sukhmel 1 point a month ago

I think it's akin to ‘GIF is pronounced ziph’

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beejboytyson 1 point a month ago

Nice datpiff.com

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gera 30 points a month ago

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TrickDacy 25 points a month ago

a typical jpeg of 20 Mb

Uh what. Literally should be the highest fucking possible quality from a $10K camera if it's that big. My raw images aren't even that big usually.

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PieMePlenty 18 points a month ago

Its not typical, but you can get 20 Mb+ jpegs out of an entry level 18MP dlsr. Especially if there's lots of color and at like 5500x3300 resolutions and created with 100% quality preset.
I checked my immich and I have some (and larger), but yeah, not exactly typical.

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TrickDacy 2 points a month ago

I am not sure I've ever used the 100 quality setting on jpegs. Many years ago I experimented with that a lot and decided that anything over 90 was not different to my eye but the file size was much bigger, relatively speaking. So yeah I suppose if you did use 100, a 20 MB jpeg image is not hard to reach.

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bstix 15 points a month ago

Raw images is where you go wrong. You need at least 10 mb of metadata tags to achieve professional levels of file sizes. How can you even look at a picture without having a full description of all your childhood memories that lead you to take this beautiful picture of yesterdays mac''n'cheese dinner. This is why we need more data centers.

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TrickDacy 1 point a month ago

Lol I'm so lost what the joke is here

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Natanael 2 points a month ago path: 0 25633060 25635012 25637698 25638002, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
HerbGrower 2 points a month ago

Highest quality jpg?

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Lucidlethargy 1 point a month ago

Next you'll be questioning the tears of joy!

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whereitsat 23 points a month ago

brilliant satire that critiques all of magazine journalism.

i love going to [insert publication here] and reading another article about 'so and so is ready for their next chapter in life.' the so and so always an uninteresting, overly wealthy fuckwit that hasn't accomplished anything other than going to college and having a wealthy parent.

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einkorn 21 points a month ago

Throw some angel investment cash at this guy already!

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M1k3y 18 points a month ago

The sad thing is that this has been possible for decades using convolutional autoencoders, but with LLMs we forgot that AI architectures other than transformers still exist.

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CanadaPlus 6 points a month ago

Yeah, it's really awful. With any luck, AI winter will follow AI summer, like usual, and the serious people can come out again. Although, aren't CNNs more of a this century thing? I guess two decades is still decades...

IIRC autoencoders actually produce the same image to within our ability to notice, as well.

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klar 18 points a month ago

git-llmfs for JPEG, I kind of wish this was real just to laugh at users

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Axolotl_cpp 7 points a month ago

Before you consider using the project, I highly recommend you read and understand the last paragraph of the LICENSE file. If you are seriously considering using it, it will become important.

This is so funny

For whoever is wondering, the license is MIT

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boonhet 5 points a month ago

And also

Ironically, aside from the obvious use of LLMs for the actuall project, everything was written by hand. I wanted to use this as a learning opportunity about git filters, so everything you see is my fault.

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bingus 15 points a month ago

I suppose they weren't worth a 1000 words after all

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JasonDJ 15 points a month ago

All fun and games until you post a story about how clumsy your dad was and now all your photos are updated to show him as just a giant thumb...with thumbs for arms, and legs, and hands and feet, and fingers and toes. Just all thumbs, all the way down. Like tripping on acid with Rita Repulsa.

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OR3X 21 points a month ago

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Hamartia 9 points a month ago

Dd...ddaadd?

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spankysalmon 4 points a month ago

All I see is a police man wearing red, I don't get it.

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some_kind_of_guy 1 point a month ago

sknaht

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Natanael 1 point a month ago

Are you spying on me?

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boonhet 1 point a month ago

For some reason all my photos now show me having two left hands.

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JasonDJ 1 point a month ago

Sounds like every picture of me dancing.

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Shanmugha 15 points a month ago

Here is another one, no compression:

  • read image
  • send a prompt "regenerate image, here is pixel-by-pixel description"
  • enjoy the result

(sarcasm)

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Anchorxiety 14 points a month ago

I compress my meals by putting them into a blender to liquify them before consumption!

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psx_crab 1 point a month ago

No no no, you have to freeze it first

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tal 13 points a month ago

It's humorous, but last I checked, the best general-purpose compressors with the highest levels of compression---even lossless, which is probably not what most people think of when they think of neural nets---are neural net based.

Neural net-based compressors are computationally expensive, which is why we don't normally use them for most day-to-day tasks, but they really can produce really small outputs.

I'm going to take the text of the US Constitution and stick it in a text file.

$ wget https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/5/pg5.txt
$ stat -c %s pg5.txt 
48326

Okay, so 48326 bytes.

Let's do lzo. You'd expect a limited amount of compression --- LZO is "fast" compression, usually only used where compression speed is really important, like where you want to be compressing stuff that's going to be decompressed once and your bottleneck is throughput to disk:

$ lzop <pg5.txt >pg5.txt.lzo 
$ stat -c %s pg5.txt.lzo
24843

Okay, how about gzip? That's Deflate, an older, but pretty-widely-used general-purpose compression algorithm.

$ gzip <pg5.txt >pg5.txt.gz
$ stat -c %s pg5.txt.gz
16660

Okay, what about LZMA? That's a newer, more-CPU-intensive thing that's probably a good general-purpose choice that'll generally give better compression ratios. It's the kind of thing that I'd probably use in a lot of cases. (Personally, these days, I tend to use pixz, which provides both indexed access for tarballs and parallel compression and decompression, which is important for modern processors.)

$ xz <pg5.txt >pg5.txt.xz
$ stat -c %s pg5.txt.xz 
15488

Okay, now PAQ, a neural-net-based compressor:

$ zpaq a pg5.txt.zpaq a pg5.txt -method 5
$ stat -c %s pg5.txt.zpaq 
13063
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BradleyUffner 12 points a month ago

"Neutral net based" compression isn't even in the same universe as "compressed to a prompt" via LLM

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tal 5 points a month ago

It actually is. I mean, it's building a dictionary off of a variety of content ahead-of-time, rather than training it on the specific item in question, but that's not uncommon for non-general-purpose compressors.

I mean, doing so to a (probably short) prompt is (a) lossy (and I gave a lossless example) and (b) lossy to an extreme degree, to where it's probably not incredibly useful option for the kinds of systems that exist today.

But...existing diffusion models aren't actually intended for this, either. I'd bet that you could train a model to do image compression along these lines, with a large dictionary, that could do usable compression along the lines of what is (jokingly) described in the article. Probably have a larger compressed form than what they're thinking of.

EDIT: At one point in time, about over a quarter-century ago now, I went out and banged on a neural net post-processor for JPEG artifacts. The idea here is that JPEG very probably isn't optimally representing the final image, as a human, using their knowledge of what the world looks like, can manually (if time-consumingly) clean these up. I didn't meet with a lot of success; I only wanted to put a small amount of time into it, and I was working with much weaker hardware than people are running neural nets on today. But that generated a pre-existing dictionary, a pre-trained neural net, off a training corpus of uncompressed images. It didn't try to reconstruct the image from scratch, the way something like this would, just clean up artifacts, but it has that same pre-generated neural net approach.

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mrmanager 8 points a month ago

I did not know about PAQ actually, thats cool. :)

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green_red_black 12 points a month ago

I know this is a joke but honestly if an engineer figured out how to make a Jpeg 600 bytes it would be impressive (obviously don't destroy the original even if all worked right.)

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UnderpantsWeevil 45 points a month ago

if an engineer figured out how to make a Jpeg 600 bytes it would be impressive

Why use many pixel when few pixel do trick?

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wonderingwanderer 6 points a month ago

If you zoom out really far, you can kinda see it...

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NeatNit 21 points a month ago

something something information theory.

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wonderingwanderer 3 points a month ago

That seems fundamentally impossible.

If you're just doing plain black and white, no grey scale, even ignoring headers the most you can get out of that is 4800 pixels. Say maybe 120x40 or 75x64.

Add in headers to tell the machine where each pixel actually goes and you're looking at way less.

Want greys or color in your image? Forget about it.

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glibg10b 8 points a month ago

If you're still thinking in pixels, then you're already behind JPEG. There are other ways to compress visual data, such as in the form of its frequency spectrum, or with vector embeddings

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wonderingwanderer 5 points a month ago

Or in a tensor field consisting of billions of weighted parameters across several matrices which then get multiplied along specific embedded vectors, apparently...

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CanadaPlus 2 points a month ago

To explain a bit more, most of the information in an image is actually stuff we would never notice. The very specific way a few of a pixels slightly deviate from a perfect gradient, for example.

The basic idea of a jpeg is to convert an image to a kind of frequency space, where each pixel corresponds to a specific wave-like pattern. It's reversable, preserving the information. and fast conversion to do, thanks to FFT. Even without, it would only be quadratic time. Then, the algorithm crops it in that new space. (IIRC jpeg actually has a few extra features, as well)

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ryannathans 12 points a month ago path: 0 25629693, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 6
Mikina 14 points a month ago

Is it a compression when you need presumably gigabites of a model to reconstruct the data?

It's basically the same as saying I can shatter compressions records by hashing the thing and using a rainbow table to decompress it.

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ryannathans 8 points a month ago

A roughly 340MB model at fp16 is all it takes to beat xz and zstd by 2x compression on text

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urushitan 11 points a month ago path: 0 25629693 25630246, hotness: undefined, score: 11, children: 0
WesternInfidels 3 points a month ago

They're using domain-specific LLMs to compress narrow-domain data. Their text compression LLM was trained on, and then tested on, legal text and medical text.

There's no reason one couldn't apply the domain-specific-compressor idea to a conventional lossless text compressor, essentially moving much of the dictionary from the compressed file to the program itself. I don't know if anyone's tried that. I'd like to know how that compares.

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ryannathans 3 points a month ago path: 0 25629693 25631203 25631281, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
BlackLaZoR 2 points a month ago

I'd be more interested in lossy compression tho. Few % of image quality loss for multiplying compression ratio is mega useful.

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vegafjord 10 points a month ago

He discovered alt text.

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BuckFutter 9 points a month ago

This is satire right? Right? Lmao.

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ranzispa 8 points a month ago

Yes.

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BuckFutter 4 points a month ago

Sweet, glad we cleared that up 😉

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AI_toothbrush 9 points a month ago

The fuuuucking annoying part is that these weight trained models would be perfect for translation models, compression, etc. An llm is already kind of a really efficient lossy compressor but you could actually make it lossless and an actual compressor if used properly. But instead people are literally telling llms to translate instead of training models that are for translating. The technology isnt the problem itself, its the industry and capitalism.

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spankysalmon 8 points a month ago

lol no you cannot make it lossless.

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TrickDacy 4 points a month ago

Enhance!

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sukhmel 1 point a month ago

I think, they don't mean lossless compression with LLM, but with a neural network in general. I think it might be possible, but I'm not sure

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AI_toothbrush -2 points a month ago

Yeah you can? A neural network that only relies on wheights and doesnt use random numbers will always give the same output for the same input.

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spankysalmon 2 points a month ago

So does lossy compression... same output for input of an algorithm is deterministic, not lossless...

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ChaoticNeutralCzech 5 points a month ago

There are not many places where 95% compression of UTF-8 plain text could outweigh needing a 30GB model in memory and a significant fraction of current LLM inference cost to decompress it − and good luck convincing librarians to adopt it.

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Natanael 2 points a month ago

There's a 300 MB library for audio compression using it. If you have large audio libraries it could eventually become worth the tradeoff.

https://huggingface.co/facebook/encodec_32khz

The image versions are probably more useful though.

The important part for these codes is that it has pre-LLM functions for quality metrics to judge if the output is close enough to indistinguishable (preserves detail, doesn't add any).

Although there is also variants deriving a neural net from the media to recreate it from the smaller model.

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richardisaguy 6 points a month ago

This is not funny, you don't understand how long and how many nights i spend overengineering compression pipelines for family photos and videos...

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grrgyle 7 points a month ago

I've got mine down to 32 byte string to describe the location, datetime, and people in the photograph, with flags for who's smiling and/or blinking.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 7 points a month ago

I want to see your porn metadata.

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qarbone 4 points a month ago

Absolutely debauched. Especially when you haven't even bought them coffee yet.

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CanadaPlus 1 point a month ago

Then I bet your stuff is actually good.

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PattyMcB 6 points a month ago path: 0 25652429, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 1
fruitycoder 8 points a month ago

No no IPoAC is far more viable

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BilSabab 6 points a month ago

Remember that Sloot thing from late 90s?

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Slashme 4 points a month ago

No, what was it?

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BilSabab 10 points a month ago path: 0 25635805 25636086 25636856, hotness: undefined, score: 10, children: 5
AlboTheGuy 3 points a month ago

Wow that was quite the read, thanks!

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BilSabab 2 points a month ago

you're welcome

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PartyAt15thAndSummit 2 points a month ago

Yeah, that had me hooked to the screen.

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IsoKiero 3 points a month ago

Very interesting piece of history. Thank you!

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BilSabab 3 points a month ago

you're welcome

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BilSabab 7 points a month ago

so basically there was a dutch tech bro in the late 90s who claimed he had developed a compression technique that could turn a movie into just a couple of kilobytes and right when he was going to sign with some investors he mysteriously passed away leaving no documents explaining his invention.

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khanh 2 points a month ago

why would someone kill him over it? what do you think?

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BilSabab 4 points a month ago

most likely he just overstressed because he sold folks a bill of goods

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Nalivai 1 point a month ago

Not saying that's what happened, but if I ever find myself in a similar situation, I'm faking my death and moving halfway across the world in heartbeat. After I get the money of course

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BCsven 2 points a month ago

And his investors family were stabbed, and another guy relates to it had is car blow up. Random or coordinated?

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GodSpeeD808 5 points a month ago path: 0 25635805 25636086 25636118, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
Bluewing 5 points a month ago

New Math and vibe coding. Am I right? (insert canned laughter here).

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anon_8675309 5 points a month ago

That’s … redefining the word I would think.

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bitjunkie 4 points a month ago

🤢

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Jolteon 4 points a month ago

It's basically just tricking the AI model to be your cloud storage provider.

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Phoenix3875 3 points a month ago

laughs when reading this

cries when paying thousands of dollars for DLSS

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cloudshouter 3 points a month ago

Two thoughts. First, there is a way to high chance that some people are basically doing this already or are taking inspiration from this. Second, the tell that it’s a joke article is that they bothered to destroy the prints, which implies that they bothered to scan them as well.

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sukhmel 1 point a month ago

It seems to mean the prints of digital photos they were compressing, as it wouldn't involve scanning

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Tenderizer 2 points a month ago

I'd be game for that. I hate the fact that photos of me exist in this world.

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Jankatarch 2 points a month ago

Lossy compression, don't mind.

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bandwidthcrisis 2 points a month ago

Whatever happened to fractal image compression, which compressed an image by finding parts similar to larger regions of the picture, so that is could reconstruct the image from itself.

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BlackLaZoR 4 points a month ago

It only works if the image is actually fractal-like. Real world is a bitch

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 4 points a month ago

Sometimes the world is a Mandel Bro and sometimes it isn't.

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phonics 2 points a month ago

Were in a fractal just too zoomed in to notice

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Wiz 1 point a month ago

Actually, a simulation of a fractal

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wallwood 1 point a month ago

I suspected everything the moment I read 13-year-old-boy

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farfalla 1 point a month ago path: 0 25684352, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
goatinspace 1 point a month ago

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Snapz 1 point a month ago

♪ Hey, hey, billy, can you

compress the Buick ? ♪

Well, all right, but

he'll probably Pu-ick.

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PhoenixDog -7 points a month ago

"First, it uses AI"

Nope. Stopped reading. Don't care.

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HereIAm 35 points a month ago

Looks like someone got Onioned.

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PhoenixDog -3 points a month ago

Shrug. Still don't care.

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boonhet 5 points a month ago

Perhaps you're not in the right community then, this one is for humor not serious discussion.

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BlackLaZoR -8 points a month ago

I imagine you could actually make an insane compression algo if you used AI as support for regular jpg compression. Not this way tho.

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spankysalmon 9 points a month ago

Your imagination is not how computer science works

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chunes -12 points a month ago

There is a future where AI can simply look up the DNA for any individual you specify and it can perfectly reconstruct what they look like, at any age.

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BrainBow65 15 points a month ago

You're joking, right? There's a reason genotype and phenotype aren't synonyms.

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chunes -1 points a month ago

There's also a reason identical twins look alike.

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HerbGrower 6 points a month ago

Wow, Jack and Ross look so alike! How did he get his arm back, isn't that after the accident?

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hirihit640 -3 points a month ago

Don't know why you're being downvoted, it's a good point that shows that genetics is the main factor for your appearance

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onlinepersona 8 points a month ago

Maybe but there is more to the outcome than just genes. Certain ones can be activated of deactivated and that can be done by epigentics for example. Gene expression is a thing.

The AI would need way more information that just DNA to generate an image of the person.

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Slashme 7 points a month ago

Identical twins also share the same womb, so it's not 100% genes.

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Slashme -1 points a month ago path: 0 25634111 25634208 25634453, hotness: undefined, score: -1, children: 2
BrainBow65 4 points a month ago

Hadn't heard of this before but I'm more than a little skeptical, especially if its being used for policing

"More recently, companies such as Parabon NanoLabs and Identitas have begun offering forensic DNA phenotyping services for U.S. and international law enforcement. However, the science behind the commercial services offered by Parabon NanoLabs has been criticized as it has not been subjected to scrutiny in peer-reviewed scientific publications. It has been suggested that it is not known "whether their ability to estimate a face’s appearance is better than chance, or if it’s an approximation based on what we know about ancestry” -DNA phenotyping wiki

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Slashme 1 point a month ago

A very reasonable concern.

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T156 6 points a month ago

Not unless it can predict all the contributing factors.

DNA isn't the full story.

Maybe they got hit by a car, were a hobbyist boxer, or had surgery, for example.

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Slashme 1 point a month ago path: 0 25634111 25634440, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 1
sukhmel 2 points a month ago

Whic is very much not precise, as explained in introduction to this article, for instance

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