your seats overheat and get stuck in the most forward position
There was no need to ever improve upon THIS
a year ago by Mickey7 to c/lemmyshitpost
expatriado 50 points a year ago
SaveTheTuaHawk 1 point a year ago
Unless you pay the subscription fee.
stupidcasey 7 points a year ago
Are you? I think I would rather a car that doesn't start than a car that doesn't have breaks
Capricorn_Geriatric 6 points a year ago
Instructions unclear: AWS is doing fine, but my AC won't shut off until I renew my BMW+ subscription.
Gerudo 6 points a year ago
You joke, but I literally came across this. I HATE that I had to connect my window unit to the net, but we have a lot of brownouts in the area, and it allows me to restart the AC if I'm away, or else my pups would cook during the summer if it didn't turn on. The AWS outage hit, and I couldn't log in to the app that controls it to turn it on. Luckily, it's not peak summer and it didn't get too warm by the time I got home.
rudyharrelson 5 points a year ago
If the brownouts don't last long, you could maybe solve this issue with a moderately priced UPS to keep the AC unit from powering off during the brief moments when power goes out.
Gerudo 5 points a year ago
I'd have to spend more on the ups than the ac unit. Sometimes it's brown outs, sometimes full blackouts. As much as I hate connecting it to the web, it's free vs at least a couple hundred for a high enough wattage ups to run more than a minute.
dual_sport_dork 1 point a year ago
There exist air conditioners with power outage recovery, and they've been around for decades. It's usually labelled "automatic restart" on the spec sheet. This was already a solved problem before the Internet Of Shitty Things, and it seems that in your case some rat bastard went around and deliberately unsolved it.
Whoever that person is, we need to find him and give him a smart kick up the rear.
sasquatch7704 5 points a year ago
You are joking, but I'm pretty sure a few cars could not start or got bricked because AWS went down.
Axolotl_cpp 6 points a year ago
Amazon Web Services, are huge data centers that many companies rent to run their services.
The other day one of those AWS data centers had issues and temporarly went down so many services didn't work, also because of this many heated beds stopped working properly and over-heated.
sasquatch7704 4 points a year ago
Plus the Ring doorbell, plus probably lots of people got locked out because of smart locks.
It's sad to see how easily people are fooled to depend on huge greedy corporations.
To me it seems insanse that a server crashes somewhere and the door lock or door bell doesn't work.
Axolotl_cpp 2 points a year ago
A smart house should do everthing locally
PrimeMinisterKeyes 49 points a year ago
Oh, that was my first car. Sometimes, the display changed to something weird though, like this:
DaMonsterKnees 20 points a year ago
One of my best good mates in school had an 84 200 that we dubbed Tron cause of this awesome setup. Great share, thanks!
CurlyWurlies4All 4 points a year ago
85 Subaru XT
darkmogool 1 point a year ago
looks like something from cyberpunk
TheMinions 47 points a year ago
I’d argue split climate for the driver and passenger seat is the only important missing innovation.
mearce 14 points a year ago
I somewhat regularly drive 9+ hours and split controls are not really comparable to just pointing the vents. If I am the driver, I need cool air blowing at me to keep me awake and alert. No longer having to compromise with passengers has been a pretty big improvement for a drive that long.
lemonySplit 4 points a year ago
Till one of the 3 in vent temp sensors fails and my AC won't turn on until its replaced but you have to remove the entire dash to access it so it would cost $1500 to change a $20 sensor
TheMinions 2 points a year ago
True, but in my experience that’s on a separate console in the back seat.
FlexibleToast 42 points a year ago
Hard disagree with this. Climate control has become a must for me since the early 2000s. Set and forget is always better than fiddling with things. And now my current car has three levels of automatic so it doesn't go full blast at the beginning, it's amazing.
FlexibleToast 7 points a year ago
So, even better argument for auto climate control. Set it once when you first get in your car and are still parked, then leave it. However, yes buttons please. If this meme is about buttons vs touch screen, then I strongly agree with the meme. My vehicle not only has the auto climate, but also it is using buttons. They're stupid capacitive touch buttons that Hyundai has since switched back away from, but at least they're always in the same spot and I don't have to change any screens to access them.
fahfahfahfah 17 points a year ago
I wish my wife understood how that worked. She always gets in, and since the engine hasn’t warmed up yet, the heat doesn’t come on, so she cranks it up to 30C.
fascicle 8 points a year ago
My wife's car is like that, you set it to 72 and it'll blast really hot air or really cold air depending on the outside temperature vs inside. I wish it just blasted 72 degree air. I just always use it in manual mode now so its not constantly switching.
fahfahfahfah 2 points a year ago
I just move the vents so they’re not blowing directly in my face, once the inside temp gets to the set point it calms down.
FlexibleToast 2 points a year ago
Yeah, my gf does something similar, but opposite. She doesn't like it going full blast so she turns down the fan which turns off the auto. I think if she had the version I did she would actually use it correctly.
nek0d3r 1 point a year ago
Absolutely. It's easy to say that new technology ruins things, but all of this was new tech once. You could have just invented the potentiometer and made a control panel with nothing but them and it would be just as awful. It's all about integrating the technology into the experience and designing in a thoughtful way.
percent 35 points a year ago
I almost agree with this, but I prefer just one more advancement over this: the thermostat kind. I like to just set the temperature so I don't have to keep adjusting it.
Nothing fancy, no touchscreen bs, just simple knobs. I was perfectly happy with the thermostat feature in my old 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GT.
Agent641 4 points a year ago
My new car is a 2025 model, but it's an Indian made Japanese Kei car so the interior is super basic. and it has large, infinitely spinning knobs for temperature and fan strength, and a digital temperature readout. I really like them.
When the temp was cold in the morning but now it's hot, I spin those dials like wheel of fortune to the left and immediately set the AC to cold and fast. No repeated button presses.
The only downside is that it doesn't have one of those knobs for music volume.
Zink 1 point a year ago
Not only do those knobs sound awesome to use, but I could see them being cheaper and more reliable as well.
Instead of being mechanically connected to whatever custom parts to direct air flow, it can just be an off the shelf encoder sending a signal to a processor that already exists.
LifeInMultipleChoice 28 points a year ago
So long as the vents have analog dials that manipulate how much air is coming out. Otherwise I'd have to be pro left/right temperature difference. When it's 100 degrees out side and someone says the AC is to cold it blows my mind
FelixCress 18 points a year ago
If there is 100 degrees, your water boils.
WhiteOakBayou 9 points a year ago
Then the a/c can't be too cold!
FelixCress 3 points a year ago
He should have said so! He may as well measure distance in bananas or area in stadiums 😂
LifeInMultipleChoice 0 points a year ago
Celsius is near useless as well, you can't use it for anything without converting it to kelvins first. Both F and C are "because we use it and it's familiar". 100 degrees we should have said your blood is already frozen! Turn the heat on
Rooster326 1 point a year ago
There is in fact 100 degrees. 360 degrees if you can believe it.
Hubi 6 points a year ago
There is such a thing as the AC being to cold. When I turn it all the way down in my car it's like being inside a freezer. It legitimately starts to hurt where it blows on your skin after a while. Same with the heat though, it gets so hot that you burn yourself if you touch the vents.
mrgoosmoos 2 points a year ago
I miss my old car where the engine was so small it got up to temp in minutes even in -30 and the airflow was so direct it felt like it was burning your hands if you aimed it right at the steering wheel
mrgoosmoos 2 points a year ago
huh. the 1.4L in my old car is what I was referring to
my current 2.5L takes forever in comparison, so did my last 2.0L (Mazda3)
BakerBagel 1 point a year ago
You know you can adjustt the temperature AND air flow, right? You can blast the air to accelerate to the desired temperature and then dial back on the air flow and temperature to keep the car actually pleasent. I only say this because i have a friend who cranks the heat full blast in the winter and then rolls down his windows while still max blasting the heating! Dude has serious brain worms.
mrgoosmoos 1 point a year ago
you don't do that?
having the window down in the winter for the fresh cool air over your face and chest while blowing heat on your feet and hands feels great
BakerBagel 1 point a year ago
I live in Northern Ohio 40 minutes from Lake Erie. We have COLD winters here with wet air. Plus, my shitty soft top VW Bug with a busted window lets in more than enough cold air
Evil_Shrubbery 2 points a year ago
Lol, yes, automatic vents are only beginning to get good (and are far from prefect).
For me it's def not something you set only once. Witch is a fail by default.
LifeInMultipleChoice 2 points a year ago
I haven't owned a new car in my life so I can't say what they are now, but if it comes with a witch inside, I have to say I'd set them free. Lol
Evil_Shrubbery 1 point a year ago
No, the witch is for private data only.
JigglySackles 1 point a year ago
When it's 100F or higher, there is no such thing as AC too cold.
SethTaylor 23 points a year ago
Wrong. This has no ads. How will I become a tech billionaire if I can't disable your breaks until you watch my ad?
Th3D3k0y 8 points a year ago
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SethTaylor 2 points a year ago
I did, but wait how does the other one work?
EDIT: Nevermind, I got it. That's funny. Now I'm happy I can't spell lol
moseschrute 23 points a year ago
I disagree. I like that I can set my temperature to an exact number and the car will automatically adjust to that temp. We should have stopped there. No need for touch screens. That’s was the holy grail of temperature control.
surph_ninja 11 points a year ago
I’d add being able to set a different temperature for the driver and passenger. It’s a godsend for relationships.
TWeaK 3 points a year ago
Some cars even have a separate zone for the rear. However I've only seen that on touch screen models, so they can suck a dick.
I had great fun with it in the back, though. They couldn't see my temp on the touch screen at the front, just that the zones had been split, and I managed to get the two in the front to bicker because the driver thought the front passenger had split them XD
Pulptastic 2 points a year ago
My Highlander has 3 zone with physical buttons.
Asidonhopo 18 points a year ago
Yours is a decade or two past the true ideal. Not pictured: the 5-inch sliding control that mechanically adjusted between recirculated and exterior air and the drivers and passengers pull-knob by the feet that let exterior air flow in directly. A heavenly touring experience.
Also on the one pictured in your post, I find those lit press to toggle ac and def buttons with indicator lights wore out over time and required a ton of force to switch on the cars I've had with them.
Hypocrite9554 9 points a year ago
Spot the roach
Evil_Shrubbery 3 points a year ago
Meanwhile in 91:
It's not that I wanna compare high end at the time, it's that this low tech took 20+ years to trickle down to basic equipment for no other reason than extra margins.
But to capture both - automatic climate control & touchscreens - some random 80s Buick:
Ordinary_Person 17 points a year ago
I've got an old car and it's still like this. I don't look forward to the day I have to get a new car.
Fizz 4 points a year ago
Swap the radio its pretty easy and only costs like $50. I got an old Japanese import that has Bluetooth that connects to my phone as I enter the car. Its also got USB to play music from and charge from.
Tigeroovy 3 points a year ago
Good call, I definitely had the thought but never pulled the trigger on it because I never found a specific replacement that I liked. I’ll have to look into it again when I can afford it!
I was considering upgrading to something with a screen and maybe gps, but couldn’t lock a model down.
bytesonbike 4 points a year ago
We had to buy a new (used 2022) car after we ran out old car into the ground. The touch screen controls temperatures. There wasn't a single variant of the car that didn't have a giant ass touch screen. It makes me really uncomfortable when the screen no longer works.
There's also some other things that piss me off.
But Some of the pros (and why we accepted that trade off):
- all wheel drive
- fancy sensors when someone is in my blindside
- it opens when it senses the key is nearby.
- heated seats with controls. (Used to bring hot packs because it gets cold here)
- cameras for the rear
- it does that cool thing where it breaks if it senses you might collide. I hated it at first but I'm old now and it saved me once from collision.
Either way, fuck cars and if public transportation was better here, id use that.
SirActionSack 3 points a year ago
Kia doing static controls for entertainment and HVAC is a big part of why I bought one.
PeriodicallyPedantic 3 points a year ago
The only complaint I have with this is that you can't control which vents are open when you turn on front defrost. I prefer a button for each vent.
rainbowbunny 13 points a year ago
Except backup cameras. Everything else is bad
Revan343 9 points a year ago
Backup cameras are cool but they'll never stay backup cameras. Give manufacturers that screen, and well, if you have it, you've gotta use it
The Sprinter I used to drive for work had a backup proximity alarm that beeped faster as you got closer to walls/cars/etc; it was fantastic. Only downside is I don't know how well it would detect people
balance8873 12 points a year ago
Screens aren't the problem, touchscreens are the problem. I have a screen but no touchscreen. Works great.
Ibuthyr 1 point a year ago
Touchscreens are fine too. Just not for vital functions. I don't give a shit that the ac in my car is controlled via touchscreen, because I set it to the desired temperature and never touch it otherwise. But it does annoy me as fuck that I have to use the touchscreen to change fon hybrid to full electric mode for example. They could have added a button for that ffs.
Buddahriffic 5 points a year ago
One time I rented a uhaul van and it had a backup camera that would show up in the rear view mirror. Not the whole thing mirror, but it had a little screen embedded in it.
tjhrulz 3 points a year ago
I will say as someone who lives in a cold climate, but that typically likes cooler warm air. It would be nice to sometimes be able to set how cold the air is coming out of the vents and not the temperature I want the cabin to be. But other than that, yeah I think my Honda Civic handles this pretty well as well
Know_not_Scotty_does 10 points a year ago
First gen tundra controls really are excellent. They and used mechanical linkages for the diverter and for the hot/cold control. The only problem is the knobs get loose over time and can break or fall off when you accellerate.
Know_not_Scotty_does 4 points a year ago
They get really loose. While no slouch, these trucks are not world beaters.
mlg 10 points a year ago
Only missing a night picture with the red LED backlight on
Yes the temp sensor is a worthy addition to the formula. Imagine fiddling with your 80s/90s A/C running on ye olde R-12 to get the temperature right lol.
WhatGodIsMadeOf 8 points a year ago
Ever notice how social politics got all fucked up when these went away?
bstix 8 points a year ago
However you probably don't miss the manual choke valve, double clutching, hand winded starter crank, or even window cranks.
There was really no golden period of car controls. It went fluidly from one kind of shit to another kind of shit.
Zink 3 points a year ago
I'm currently driving a low-mileage 2012 Mazda 3 that we have owned since new, and it's pretty great. It's a 40mpg hwy vehicle, is fun to drive on the back roads to work manually selecting gears, and I can load 8ft lumber and 10ft pipes into it lengthwise (it's a sedan too, not hatchback) at home depot while the guys hopping back into their shiny $80,000 commuter trucks watch me.
I think I want to replace it with an MX5 one day. Recent Mazda interiors I've looked at seem to have kept a reasonable balance of physical controls along with moderately sized infotainment screens. So maybe a new one could be on the table. We'll see how the next revision turns out.
lightnsfw 3 points a year ago
Yeah, I have a 2012 Civic and I'm keeping that thing until the wheels fall off (assuming I can't reattach them). The only thing I don't have that would be useful is Bluetooth and that's only because they've stopped making phones with headphone jacks. I had a much newer model as a loaner while it was being serviced one time and I fucking hated that thing. The only thing I'd consider trading in for would be a light truck with a full size bed but those don't exist. At least not in USA.
mushroomman_toad 1 point a year ago
90s civics? I mean they're all rotting now, but they were pretty reliable for like 20 years.
Asfalttikyntaja 2 points a year ago
Or.. 90’s Toyota Corolla, there are plenty of them riding around in here.
BussyCat 1 point a year ago
And in the same day the crime was at the lowest someone still got killed, and the day the stock market rose to a new high some stocks went down.
Just because a problem exists doesn’t negate that it was the best time period
Cosmonauticus 1 point a year ago
I dunno. I had an 03 Corolla that had heated seats and electric windows that held on to gas like a camel with water. Best car i ever has
SpaceCadet 1 point a year ago
Perhaps even a bit later. My 2014 F20 BMW 1-series was still pretty great. The facelift model of the same car I had after that (2017 or so) is the first one that started to include things that annoyed me.
Evil_Shrubbery 2 points a year ago
Light, rear-wheel drive, cheap to run and even mod, mechanically "simple" (relative to today's BMW electronics), even slightly overspected.
Fun little car.
SpaceCadet 2 points a year ago
Exactly why I had four 1-series since 2008 (E82, E81, F20 pre-facelift, F20 facelift). Switched to a G20 3-series when the 1-series went FWD, and soon it will be all electrical and qualities like "fun", "light" and "simple" will be a thing of the past. We adapt and move on.
Evil_Shrubbery 1 point a year ago
Yes, this really describes it.
Sure, maybe I would wanna manual choke even today ... but like twice, that's it, just for the fun of it (it wouldn't even work with modern engines anyways).
Also the environment changed, roads, congestion, etc.
You can find great examples from any era.
SpaceCadet 1 point a year ago
There was really no golden period of car controls
I'm going to say there was and it was around 2010. Like maybe 2005 until 2015.
The BMWs of the E90/E87 generation that I drove in those years are still the pinnacle of automotive achievement for me. They had all the things I needed and nothing that annoyed me. Anything after that started to include more and more annoying stuff.
BilboBargains 7 points a year ago
This works well and it's not a hill I'll defend but automatic control of temperature is better when it's done well. In the UK we have a culture of driving cars with manual transmission and I've never understood it when automatic transmissions exist and are pretty good. People wanna feel like they are in control of stuff.
kossa 3 points a year ago
Well, as a kid I thought by the time I'll do my driver's license there will be no more manual transmissions around.
Turns out, automatic is just still way more expensive to buy AND, as I recently learned, crazy expensive in maintenance.
BilboBargains 1 point a year ago
It's about 5-10% more in the UK. The maintenance on a reliable transmission is fairly minimal but any mechanical problems are almost guaranteed to be a nightmare buried under a mountain of metal. I've been spared that trauma so far but I remember test driving a used VW Passat which clunked with every shift. Thanks for the test drive, bro.
Duamerthrax 3 points a year ago
Not sure about the UK, but I know Germany likes manuals because they last longer when you have a lot of hills and mountains.
Paddzr 7 points a year ago
Honestly. I prefer my current EVs AC. I have set it to 21 degrees when I first got it and I haven't touched it since.
I don't like "more cold" or "more hot" dials. I know what I like, 21 degrees and if the car can keep exactly that? I'm happy.
PillowTalk420 1 point a year ago
One of my older minivans had a digital thermostat and it was just about the only digital control in a car I can tolerate. Though, I am still doubtful if it was actually the temp I set it to. It's not like I had a thermometer inside the car.
TWeaK 7 points a year ago
Hard disagree. Physical buttons with a digital temperature and split controls for left and right (and maybe rear as well). Automatic climate control that also does the fans. I had all of this on a car in 2010, and it was perfect - I could just leave the temperature set at what I wanted all the time, and the fans would blow hard if it needed to heat or cool significantly to get there.
Some manufacturer's, eg Volvo, don't automatically adjust the fans, which is wank. But nothing is as wank as touch screen controls - I fucking hate it when you're trying to aim at a button, then as you go in to press the car bumps and you completely miss.
winkerjadams 3 points a year ago
My dial has auto on it
fodor 6 points a year ago
It's really interesting that I agree with you, but so many people insist that they're new and fancy tools are somehow making their lives significantly better. And obviously it's an opinion question, it's not like they're lying, but I just don't see the value that many of them do.
blarth 5 points a year ago
My car has climate control. I set it to 72 degrees once a long time ago and rarely have touched it since.
The fascination with dumb controls in a car is odd to me. It seems like people overshoot the “I want physical controls I can feel my way around without looking” and get into “give me the Flintstones car” lately.
ClydapusGotwald 5 points a year ago
It’s true. I hate my touch screen to control airflow in my car. Every time I go to adjust it, it fucks up and I’m distracted while driving.
AA5B 5 points a year ago
Let me play devils advocate…..
One of my cars has the hvac controls on the screen and it’s usually fine, because it is actually smart. I only need to set the temperature and it remembers that.
For example now that it’s getting cold, I almost never need to touch those controls
- I can preheat through an app (no subscription needed)
- when I start my car, the thermostat is set to 69 (heh heh) where I last left it
- the car goes through a progression: heating steering wheel and seat first, then automatically off when the cabin temperature comes up
- the glaring problem is defroster. Aside from initial heat up I don’t know a good way to switch to that while driving. I don’t know if it’s supposed to be automatic and fails or if there is a shortcut somewhere
JustAPenguin 5 points a year ago
One of my knobs broke and to this day, I can't work out how to replace it. Where do you even buy them from??? 🙃
IMALlama 6 points a year ago
Used parts! Junkyards, eBay, whatever. Odds are you'll be able to find a replacement unless the factory knob was super fragile or your vehicle is exceedingly rare.
If your vehicle is vaguely popular it'll probably have a stl (think exported 3D shape) available. In that case I'll print/mail you one assuming you're in the US. If you're not in the US hop over to !3DPrinting@lemmy.world and I'm sure someone will help you out.
dual_sport_dork 2 points a year ago
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RattlerSix 6 points a year ago
Amazon, parts store, junkyard, find someone to 3D print one for you
buttnugget 2 points a year ago
Yeah, there’s a pick-n-pull in Lakewood that I have recommended to people, even though I’ve never needed it myself.
aesthelete 5 points a year ago
My car is still mainly like this.
It has a touchscreen thing but it's only for the entertainment and it has steering wheel controls as well so there's an alternative to using the screen while driving.
betanumerus 5 points a year ago
That has 5 moving parts, while a touchscreen has none. It's much easier and cheaper for the manufacturer to install the touchscreen. But instead of passing the savings to you, they probably keep it or pass it on to investors.
betanumerus 1 point a year ago
The screen could well be more expensive than the dial parts, but installation would be cheaper, so we'd need the numbers. The thing about software is that it's very expensive to make but selling price is as low or high as you need it to be.
tempest 3 points a year ago
Exactly.
Each of those knobs needs an injection mould, each switch behind it a supply chain. Iterating on digital design is far cheaper as well.
It's far cheaper to use what are effectively 10 year old tablets in the cheaper cars. Since LCDs are being mass manufactured for other things that likely get a nice economy of scale.
MintyFresh 2 points a year ago
Be nice if those savings were passed on....
AvocadoSandwich 1 point a year ago
Or worse, they charge extra because the touch screen is a luxury product.
betanumerus 1 point a year ago
That depends on what badge they put on the hood. They might market a screen as luxury, but the fact is I much prefer dials myself so I'd consider dials to be luxury and I'd actually pay more for dials.
Petter1 0 points a year ago
The nobs are cheaper, because you don’t need a motor changing the airflow, you just use the power of the human rotating the nob to adjust the airflow to go to the right spot
And you don’t need a cpu nor gpu
Waaay cheaper…
betanumerus 1 point a year ago
The CPU and screen are already in the car for other things. No cost there. And I don't think you actually know how to make a nob.
betanumerus 1 point a year ago
Name a car without a cpu. Year and model. Removing cpus means you are removing much more than touchcreens.
unfnknblvbl 4 points a year ago
my '93 MR2 has buttons and a slider. Perfection.
LemmyKnowsBest 4 points a year ago
My 2018 vehicle has intuitive tactile knobs & buttons. Easy to operate without eyes ever leaving the road. I am grateful.
Weirdfish 3 points a year ago
After many such threads I've come to the conclusion that peak car is between 2014 and 2018.
I'm old enough to believe I'll never have to drive something with a touch screen.
I design touch screen UI as part of my job and I can see no argument for one in a vehicle other than GPS, and for that I have my phone.
mrgoosmoos 1 point a year ago
hmm, I'll have to look at that range for my next vehicle.
for my preferred budget, I'm looking at 2010 to 2015, but that's mostly because they stopped making economical wagons after that point (Toyota Matrix and Hyundai Elantra Touring are what I'm looking at)
it seems like even in that year range, once you get above the low cost vehicles, they start introducing shitty tech. but I haven't looked closely enough at things in the last 10 years to see how they've progressed year to year, because frankly it's just more money than I want to spend
mrgoosmoos 1 point a year ago
is there a proper wagon in that year? I thought it was just the sloped hatchback style still
tbh haven't paid much attention to them because every one I see looks just ever so slightly too small
I'll have to find one to look at, tbh I kind of hate Subaru seats, at least all the ones I've sat in
mrgoosmoos 1 point a year ago
I have one right now, but they stopped making wagons in 2010
they have hatchbacks and crossovers/SUVs
Weirdfish 2 points a year ago
Well, got back 4 more and you are pre OBD2 and modern emissions sure, but now you're dealing with a technically 'classic' car and the rust, wear and tear, and parts availability issues that come w it.
2014 - 2018 will get you a modern car without a touch screen or Internet connection, which is what I'm really after.
Physical controls I can use with my eyes on the road, and not a subscription to worry about.
ScoffingLizard 4 points a year ago
I long for the days it was two horizontal sliders. Cold to left, slide to the right the warmer you wanted. Low to the left, slight to the right for high fan. Now it's all this digital horse shit and it takes years of me being bored at red lights to be motivated to explore all the menu drudgery on the console. Now it all has fucking wifi and tracker nonsense too.
TempermentalAnomaly 4 points a year ago
I wish more companies did this.
The larger temperature controls and the vertically, slightly curved stack make so much sense to me.
DaniNatrix 2 points a year ago
I love my Fit, it's a 2012 and a manual transmission, I will drive it for as long as I possibly can.
IronKrill 3 points a year ago
Treasure it! Not looking forwards to when I have to give up my manual hatch for whatever is on the market when it dies. Although I haven't test driven an EV yet, I can't imagine it's that engaging. Perhaps I'll just have to get my kicks out of motorbikes at that point.
TempermentalAnomaly 1 point a year ago
2011 Fit. Great car. Got only 110k on it.
BarbudoGrande 1 point a year ago
My 2016 doesn't look like that. Must be a different gen.
leggt 3 points a year ago
This is the dash on my 2012 Honda Fit sport. Never thought the internet might be jealous of my car..
Apparently I don't know how to upload an image on my instance
blady_blah 4 points a year ago
Fuck that, give me a thermostat any day of the week.
CosmicTurtle0 3 points a year ago
Add dual climate control and then I'm with you.
GenosseFlosse 3 points a year ago
Oh Look at Mr fancy pants here with his working heater in his reasonable priced car!
ordnance_qf_17_pounder 3 points a year ago path: 0 20115549, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
shiftymccool 1 point a year ago
Ok, and?
UltraMagnus0001 2 points a year ago
My vw passat has that, but the temp control maintains the temperature, so straight up is 72°f
Bytemeister 2 points a year ago
I should do a video on the bad UX in the Mach E.
Evil_Shrubbery 2 points a year ago
Was it?
I love auto settings, it means much less fiddling/interaction (which is safer).
My last manual AC car was from the "previous millennium". Why wouldn't you want to set the temperature?
(Physical buttons tho, tho it's hard to get it these days. But even touchscreen climate control should be very low interaction.)
Also manual AC usually means no HUD, no adaptive high beams, no radar, etc. Those are essentials that do a lot for road safety, and all were available since mid 90s (high end at the time).
Eddbopkins 2 points a year ago
Though it is functional, it is ugly.
queermunist 8 points a year ago
All of that stuff is great.
Just don't make me use a touch screen while I'm driving.
Vespair 5 points a year ago
Bro obviously they're lauding physical mechanical buttons, not condemning useful features. Every single thing you listed can be controlled with manual tactile buttons. The issue that people have is with needless touchscreens and unnecessary digital interfaces.
AnarchoSnowPlow 4 points a year ago
It's not the actual tech, generally speaking, that people are upset about. Although your Luddite reference is probably more accurate than you intended.
The Luddites weren't anti-tech, they were anti- the damage it was doing to the people who did the work.
Most people who hate these new technologies aren't mad at the tech itself, they're mad at the quality that's produced when the only concern is lowering costs and the extractive infrastructure built around it. A monthly fucking subscription for heated seats. This exists now.
The alternative to this is the galaxy brained take: "THESE PEOPLE HATE HAVING A COMFORTABLE ASS WHILE DRIVING"
Evil_Shrubbery 1 point a year ago
... I don't think those describe those functions very well.
In cars climate control doesn't work like in a house, where you heat or cool the whole object, it relies on airflow, so ofc you can set significant difference in temperature between zones.
No car AC will overpower the greenhouse effect on a sunny day, it will just just cool the passengers via direct airflow.
Alcoholicorn 0 points a year ago
Split zones aren't real, just have one person open their window a crack, thermostats in cars do not work. Heated seats are nice.
Mobiletuck 2 points a year ago
I have that heater/AC unit
VinnyDaCat 2 points a year ago
Never letting go of it.
untorquer 1 point a year ago
It's -5C/23F outside, you hop in the car, winter boots and thermal layers. Your climate control's lowest setting is 16C/61F. You have two options: personal sweaty sauna or drive in your winter jacket with frozen hands.
Other options: blast heat with windows down. Full AC, just get it over with.
Dozzi92 2 points a year ago
I always just freeze while the car warms up. Driving with a jacket on is an absolute no-go. I see so many people do it and I don't understand how, it's restrictive and you will inevitably start to bake when the sun hits you.
caboose2006 1 point a year ago
Yeah, just make them more robust and maybe add more steps between settings.
UsedLinuxDealer 1 point a year ago
RETVRN
Allero 5 points a year ago
More like complaining about features no one asked for.
Tactile controls are superior, because they can be used without distraction, and the chance of user error is lower.
Besides, they involve less circuitry and are therefore much more reliable.
There absolutely are great uses for large touchscreens, but car control panel is not one.
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