I'm picking "Colonel" needs to be respelled to match how it's pronounced.
Try to pick a word no one else has picked. What word are you respelling?
You can change the spelling of one word in the English language to match how they are pronounced. What word do you pick?
3 years ago by ericbomb to c/asklemmy
I'm picking "Colonel" needs to be respelled to match how it's pronounced.
Try to pick a word no one else has picked. What word are you respelling?
Your rite, and I regret my choices.
twitch
Do the needful.
Totally understandable, one of a handful of English words that I both know are spelled “wrongL and also have to put conscious thought into spelling before I write it.
Ironicly, "conshus" one such candidate for me.
Can never remember how to spell this absolute fuckery of a word. I concur.
English is my second language, but I've always remembered it by "one cardigan, two socks" necessary
That’s a bit unesesary
spelt how it’s pronounced though
I'm not sure you meant this as a joke but it is funny.
Learning yet another irregular pronunciation because some N-hundred years ago their majesty Shithead von Cunt wanted to sound fancy and everyone just played along is not funny.
cries, not knowing how to properly pronounce most English words
wait was it nesisary or nesusary.
nesesary? nesasary? nesysary?
English orthography is awful. Hard "c" AND soft "c"? Are you crazy? How about that "k" that is already the hard c sound? It should be "kat" and "kar". And it only goes downhill from there (or their?!?).
We should clean it up someday. But we'll probably end up with LOL-WTF-speak.
Some of the low hanging fruit would just be to pick one pronunciation of "oo" and stick with it:
The problem is that English has far more vowel sounds than vowels. And that's without even having certain sounds that are common in other languages like "ü".
Linguistics would teach that it is the orthography that is flawed. The English language has many vowel sounds, more than most languages. But as you demonstrate, the orthography "lumps" many of them together. Which, again, is why I think English orthography is awful.
There's a great article at Wikipedia, scroll down to the "Vowels" section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_phonology
There's a link the the article above to this page, which I don't suggest viewing on your phone. It has a great effort to document vowels across dialects of English, scroll down again to the huge table: https://en.wikipedia.org/...
Be careful, the linguistics "rabbit hole" is deep (but fascinating)!
Thanks, I really like the IPA and I wish it were something that was taught in high school. It would be great if people were competent at reading it and could maybe use it to explain how something sounds. It's hard enough that English has such flawed orthography. Then you add the fact that there are dozens of English dialects and it only makes things more complicated.
Do you know about Dr. Geoff Lindsey's YouTube channel?
It's not all bad. The varied spellings of English help with visual pattern recognition and increased reading speed.
Comfterble
What you spelled there would be pronounced key-way haha
Not saying you're wrong at all, it's not exactly a common word to hear said out loud. But I've never heard anyone do this and the very idea of it blows my mind.
(NE England, here)
The last syllable is usually pretty subtle, like the br- in bread, but very quietly voiced. I'd say I hear it maybe 75% of the time I hear the word. Currently in Yorkshire, via SW England, London and NW England. The syllable is a lot less subtle in a West Yorks accent!
Did you learn French at GCSE level? Possibly there's a relationship between that and pronouncing the re like that in French-derived words. Cadre is another example. If it is related to learning French, then it's probably on the decline as French teaching is on the decline and foreign languages are no longer compulsory at GCSE.
Clearly I need to work this word into more conversations with people and listen closely! That said I only just found out recently that most of the country pronounces the middle weekday as "Wensday" so contrary to stereotypes I think we might be the ones talking properly up here 😉
(schools around me were generally an even split between French and German for GCSE, dunno how that affects your theory, also I had no idea languages were going away from school and this makes me sad to learn)
Might start an argument but:
GIF -> GHIF
It’s actually pronounced “JIF”
It stands for the Jraphics Interchange Format
Jif is a surface cleaner.
Jolly Image Format
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GH as in "laugh"? People'd start flame wars over whether "FIF" is the intended pronunciation...
America has a lot of place names that come from Native American / First Nations languages; but they also come via different European languages.
And some of those names are actually words that refer to a different Native group. "Arkansas" and "Kansas" are from the Osage word for the Quapaw people. The name of the Snake River between Oregon and Idaho is a translation of the name that Plains people used to refer to the Shoshone: they were the "snake people" and that wasn't a compliment.
In Spanish they do rhyme and their endings are pronounced the exact same, as in Kansas. I was greatly puzzled when I discovered that the French managed to mangle the name Arkansas that badly back in the day
2010 Arkansas Code Title 1 - General Provisions Chapter 4 - State Symbols, Motto, Etc § 1-4-105 - Pronunciation of state name.
Be it therefore resolved by both houses of the General Assembly, that the only true pronunciation of the name of the state, in the opinion of this body, is that received by the French from the native Indians and committed to writing in the French word representing the sound. It should be pronounced in three (3) syllables, with the final "s" silent, the "a" in each syllable with the Italian sound, and the accent on the first and last syllables. The pronunciation with the accent on the second syllable with the sound of "a" in "man" and the sounding of the terminal "s" is an innovation to be discouraged.
Brit here, I only realised a couple of years ago that the Arkansaw I heard mentioned in American TV and movies was actually the Arkansas I could see on maps. I think it was something said on Reddit, probably a thread similar to this, that was the revelation. And when I tell other Brits they're invariably similarly clueless, and quite gobsmacked. I'm not sure if anyone I've mentioned it too has said "oh yeah I knew that".
It's aluminium you stupid Americans.
You and I pronounce 'quay' very differently.
Quay is one of those words like bowline or boatswain that's commonly mispronounced because people see it in writing without hearing it said. Bowline "properly" rhymes with pin, and boatswain sounds like bosun.
A similar thing happened to solder in Britain, where it originally had a silent l as a nod to its Latin etymology, but some people started pronouncing it.
kɛɪ 🤷
I just wish we spelled things in a more German-'esk' fashion. They use K more appropriately. Examples such as "panik" and "akkordeon" for accordion. I find their spelling to be more straightforward and sensical.
feenicks
Dan Le Sac - sweet reference.
Oasis, just a band
Nirvana?
Aisle should become something like ile.
Oh boy, a word wouldn't be enough.
I would make English as consistent as Spanish is regarding phonetical consistency, or even more.
Oh, you have never seen this word ever before and you don't know how to pronounce it? No worries, these universal rules will allow you just get it right, because letters always sound the same!
The only one they changed is the double l. ll to sounds like a y. But in some circles they consider that a seperate letter to the Spanish alphabet. Overall it is fairly consistent.
Even better, Spanish words are typically broken into two (or is it to or too) letter syllables.
Right about spelling. For a non-native, it becomes somewhat difficult when it is about the "right" pronunciation of the written language. There's a lot of French influence for example. Now they have a lot of French words, some feel horribly mispronounced and some aren't. And then there's a lot of dialects so that mixing pronunciations can hardly be avoided.
English is pretty good (generally) at doing the same thing.
Y'all are just bringing up words that English stole from other languages.
You can use phonetics to figure out how to pronounce most words in English.
The amount of words that are not "stolen" from other languages is neglible..
Cat from German Katze, from Latin catta
Car(t) from German Karren
Kitchen grom German Küche
Bike/Bicycle from French bicycle
Leaf from German Laub
Beef, mutton, pigeon from French boeuf, mouton, pigeon
Cow, sheep, dove from German Kuh, Schaf, Taube
Computer from Latin computare
Sun and moon from German Sonne and Mond
Lunatic from Latina luna
Death from German Tod
Snug from Norse snøggr
Funny from Swedish fånig
Breeze from Spanish brisa
Ranch from Spanish rancha
Brave from Italian bravo
Arcade from Italian arcata
Dildo from Italian diletto
....
You may like this essay on why English has weird spellings. Think technological timings.
The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don’t just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.
--James D. Nicoll
I think the main issue with this is that pronunciation changes over time, in addition to varying by area. So if we keep changing the spelling, written works will became unreadable faster.
But I would suggest that any band names that use umlauts/foreign letters should be pronounced accordingly.
All those words that are pronounce the same but have completely different meanings. Particularly the common words.
To two too
No know
Their there
By buy bye
Then there there ones spelt the same but two different meanings and silent letters to even be better.
Go right, you're right.
Didn't know how messed up English spelling/pronunciation is till I started to learn Spanish and nearly every word is pronounced exactly as spelled.
Jraphics
I can't help but pronounce this like Jurassic
Seg-Yoo
That's how my coworkers were pronouncing it, til I pointed out... Who knew how long that was going for, lol
Highpurrbolley.
I pronounced it hyper-bowl in my head for a loooong time until I had to say it out loud one time and got laughed at.
As someone who read a lot as a child I still find myself saying hyperbowl. I'd certainly heard the correct pronunciation but it wasn't until very late that I made the connection to the word I'd learned by reading.
I was it my 30s before I found how to say it properly. It really doesn’t help that hyperbolic is spoken properly. Hy-per-bol-ic. Damn you written words.
Same!
wierd.
February. (US pronunciation)
Cha cha cha
Diary uh
Arkansaw.
IF KANSAS IS PRONOUNCED "KANSAS"
THEN WHY ISN'T ARKANSAS PRONOUNCED "ARKANSAS"
Yacht. Yot.
English really lacks some throat-fricative analogue to the Greek chi (χʼ). Shoud be yaχt in the graχt. imo.
Qway-Way
Lawngeray definitely makes it less appealing.
Werk.
Work is not how people pronounce it.
Oh man the various English' pronunciashuns ...
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Good Bod! Now see what thou doeth.
Fish as Ghoti
Easy: Bologna
What do you mean? It's already written the closest to pronunciation, there's no ń sound in English really, perhaps knee is the only example
How so?
BECAUSE OSCAR MEYER HAS A WAY WITH B-O-L-O-G-N-A
Belownya
Yeah but British English is dum
Fun fact: Lieutenant literally means "placeholder."
Right but alot means “to assign to a specific use”
Mandatory Hyperbole And Half
I feel like I would much prefer the ability to change the way a word is pronounced to match the way it is written.
Hmm..
Lincoln is a roper noun, but neumonia is already ronounced how it's spelled.
There, erfect!
Sean would like a word..
Have you seen Shawn?
Sean is borrowed from Irish where that is the normal vowel pronunciation, if you correctly include the accent: Seán
Epitome
Scythe
Jewelry
Iron
Cologne
Receipt
CHARCUTERIE, what a fucking stupid word
Realtor. My wife still says "Real-uh-ter"
Zealot (think "Zellers 🍁") I'm tired of people pronouncing my username as "Zee-Lot"
-I know there's more that piss me off, I'll be back
You sick bastard I work at lowes
I also think Colonel needs to be changed
Salmon as Samon
We should just omit those schwa letters like Apar'ntly.
Rendezvous. Get the fuck outta here, you look like rendezzvuss.
Choir .. how would you spell it? Quier?
kwire
Kwyre
Quinoa
This one has the correct pronunciation in Spanish, because quinoa is from South America. Despite having pronounced this incorrectly when I first heard about it, I'd like to keep this spelling, because Spanish spelling is so much more consistent than English.
keen wa
We’d just abbreviate it like pxmilexokal
It's like how laughter and slaughter don't rhyme.
And, in the other direction : lose.
Lasagna, now pronounced how it looks!
Oh, TIL!
Confused here. Lasagna looks like several horizontal lines with some filling in between and cheese on top. Like none of the letters that i know. Then again, it's italian, so what to do ... espanicise it?
lasaña -- there you go, that will take care of the cheese, at least.
Found Rodrick Heffley
Cough
It should be restrant
"next, what your gonna do is...."
NOW.
Too shall now be spelled to
Lieutenant → Lefttennet
Drop the bayz!
Draught. Seems we've already respelt it as "draft".
Knight just got the lulz
Conner (sauce: ostreliens)
Exercise as Exersize
I don't really understand the problem. You want us to go back to the Latin accessorius?
XLent
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In this thread, a lot of folks who would use their one wish to make the language better.
But I would change "their" to be spelled "the're" and pronounced "all'y'all's".
I hope I do grow up to be more like the rest of you, and make better choices, in the future.
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