The reddit experience

5 days ago by The Picard Maneuver to c/reddit

snowe 140 points 5 days ago

Not a joke, that person tried to take over a Colorado sub from my wife. We both saw exactly what he was doing and refused.

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NOT_RICK 63 points 5 days ago

Loser behavior

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Fawkes 5 points 4 days ago

Wow... Badmouthing this person I've never met for things they actually did? I'm starting 15 instances just so I can ban you from all of them. Would you mind giving me your wife's account so I can ban her too? Or making one if she doesn't already have one? Appreciate it, and fuck you ♥️

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Holytimes 88 points 5 days ago

Use to be agasint the rules to ban cross subs for any and all reasons. Even if the subs where releated. Bans HAD to stay on the singular sub they where issued and the admins actually enforced it a lot of the time. Was a pita to report but you could get people reamed for doing it.

Somewhere around 2022-2023ish they removed the rule and things went to absolute shit.

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dalekcaan 19 points 5 days ago

lol, why would they remove that rule? The only reason I can think to block someone across subs is to be petty.

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Blue_Morpho 11 points 5 days ago

Probably bots. Blocking all is easier than one sub at a time.

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samus12345 13 points 4 days ago

That's what a site wide ban is for.

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Ziglin 3 points 5 days ago

I would argue that there are quite a few, however those would be better treated with a site wide ban.

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dalekcaan 9 points 4 days ago

Yeah, that's my point. I figure if you commit a banable offense, you either broke sub rules and should be banned from the sub, or you broke site rules and should be banned from the site. Only reason for getting banned specifically from subs modded by one person is them going on a power trip.

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qevlarr 60 points 4 days ago

I want to remind people that Lemmy is not immune to this

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Prior_Industry 4 points 4 days ago

Yeah, was gonna say this does not feel very Reddit specific. Just a nobody power tripping.

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GoatSynagogue 1 point 3 days ago

Lemmy is arguably worse than this. Just check out the mod logs and you’ll see this exact same thing on a massive scale.

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ayyy 57 points 4 days ago

I just had the opposite problem on Lemmy. I told a mod they were wrong so they promoted me to mod and said “you do it” lol.

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Evotech 17 points 4 days ago

Lmao

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CommanderCloon 14 points 4 days ago

That's hilarious 😆 now if someone corrects you, you can pass the curse

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captainlezbian 9 points 4 days ago

As someone who used to mod, holy fuck that sounds satisfying.

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Quantenteilchen 6 points 4 days ago

Right, I did see your name somewhere, but I no longer remember the exact community. Anyway you are now and forever tagged "suddenly: mod" in my client!

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kamen 6 points 4 days ago

How the turns have tabled.

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VinegarChunks 3 points 3 days ago

This is how things widely work in nonprofits, churches, and HOAs. Your complaint is interpreted as you volunteering.

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goferking0 3 points 3 days ago

I think you were the exception that proves the rule.

Last few times I've pointed out this behavior on lemmy, lemmy.world and piefed admins did the above to me and others.

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ayyy 4 points 3 days ago

Yea the piefed people are peak hypocrisy.

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AdolfSchmitler 48 points 5 days ago

I'm banned from a bunch of random subs on here for joking that Jack Ma got disappeared for re-education. Power tripping mods are everywhere.

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justaman123 25 points 5 days ago

Wait, that's not what happened?

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nova_ad_vitum 16 points 4 days ago

Mods (and apparently the main developer of Lemmy itself) is a full-on tankie.

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thermal_shock 11 points 4 days ago

Doesn't matter, mod has spoken.

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Iusedtobeanalien 4 points 4 days ago

The ban hammer used to be a tool of the elite, now they just hand them out like candy

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teslekova 3 points 4 days ago

Well that's weird, he literally did. I'm a China supporter partly because they treat CEOs with the proper disrespect.

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halcyoncmdr 2 points 4 days ago

Almost certainly an .ml mod/admin.

They're Tankies and don't like being made fun of. They also define pointing out facts as making fun of them, so you can see how that ends up.

The best thing to do is just ignore .ml and go on with your day.

It's why I ended up abandoning lemmy and moved to piefed. Didn't even want to indirectly support that group by using that platform for my fediverse exploits.

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Texas_Hangover 44 points 4 days ago

Lol, piss off one of the Lemmy tankies and see what happens 😆

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nullspace 26 points 4 days ago

"The ml experience."

It's just missing the part where they call you a fascist pig.

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hypnicjerk 2 points 4 days ago

or worse, a liberal!

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VelvetPinkOtter123 37 points 4 days ago

Went to reddit, made an account so I could chat in the World Cup match threads

Was told I was unable to participate because my account was too new

This message also had a link to message the mods

Click the link, message the mods, explain that I am a human and I'm just here to chat about the World Cup

Mod responds, says my account is brand new, has zero karma, and sees I've not once posted in any other subs

Explain to the mod that I don't really like reddit and that I literally just made my account specifically to talk about the world cup

Got a nasty message back about how the mods don't have time to answer my messages and that if I don't like reddit that's a me problem

I respond explaining that if they don't have time to answer my messages then why is there a link to message them in the alert about being unable to post?

Muted

Refresh reddit. Red banner. My Account has been temporarily banned on reddit for 3 days for harassment

I've had reddit accounts in the past, but I had deleted my last one months ago. Only signed back up because of the world cup. Took maybe 30 minutes to get a sitewide ban and I only got to make one comment that didn't even show up on the site

Anyway, that's how I found this place. Although, the World Cup doesn't seem that popular here :(

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Anonymous_Leaker 13 points 4 days ago

The account too new situation pisses me off so much. It punishes new users.

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VelvetPinkOtter123 3 points 4 days ago

That's what I thought

It's not like a bot cares if it has to wait 3 days before posting

And considering the World Cup is something that only lasts a month anyway, out of all the subs to implement a waiting period, that one seems like one of the worst

"Welcome to reddit, in order to post in the World Cup match threads please miss 10 matches"

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Tollana1234567 3 points 4 days ago

REDDITS AI moderation looks at new accounts and old inactive accounts as botting potentials thats why, even getting your comments/ post removal is a potential mark on your account as a bot.

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Anonymous_Leaker 2 points 4 days ago

Also on my account that was a year old.

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SarahFromOz 7 points 4 days ago

I love the way everything is harassment to those babies.

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prole 6 points 4 days ago

Although, the World Cup doesn't seem that popular here :(

Most people here are boycotting it because of how the US has been behaving, both domestic and internationally... Threatening to invade allies, destroying relationships with other countries that go back to the end of WW2 for literally no gain, and the brutalization and illegal imprisonment of brown people in concentration camps, just to name a few things.

Yeah fuck that. Fuck this country and I hope the whole thing is a massive commercial failure.

Anyway, welcome to Lemmy lol

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feetandballs 5 points 4 days ago

I got banned for "hate" for a comment that said "the nips." Fucking everybody has nipples. It wasn't even sexual.

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atan 4 points 4 days ago

I would guess it was interpreted as the slur for Japanese people (perhaps an automod thing - never really used Reddit though so I dunno how these things work in practice.)

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VelvetPinkOtter123 1 point 3 days ago

On an older account I got banned for saying that that Pizza-whatever comic sucks shit

It's always on the front page and it's Garfield level humor except worse because it's mostly just political pandering

And the comments under those comics are always full of people who you know think they're super informed, super intelligent, superior people that, in reality, are just mouth-breathing idiots repeating the most predictable shit and falling for the most tame political propaganda

Like when you have a friend that always talks about how crazy and wild they are and then you go out and party with them and they fall asleep at 10pm after 3 beers

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ddplf 4 points 4 days ago

Had an account for around 8 years, during that time I participated in some more and some less heated arguments on reddit. Had multiple local bans, mostly for some mild stuff whereas the harsher comments would usually slip under the mods' radar.

My account has been permanently banned on the entire reddit only after I went into discussion with some mods for some .ml-level ridiculous decisions.

Obviously arguing with people with power is an oppression to them.

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VelvetPinkOtter123 1 point 3 days ago

Thinking back, my gut tells me the World Cup is too big to leave the sub in the hands of, "just some guy", so the sub was probably made by someone who works at reddit and the mods are probably other reddit admins

So when I explained that I had no posted anywhere else because I hated reddit... I may have just told a reddit employee that I hate their site and that's why they got so mad and banned me

I don't have any proof of that but I do wonder if that is what happened

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StarryPhoenix97 2 points 3 days ago

Ah yes, the other fun side of the coin.

The funky catch-22 of more than half the site.

"You dont have enough karma to post in this sub."

"Your post has been removed because your account is too new."

"Your comment was deleted because you dont have the minimum comment karma to participate."

Okay...so how to I get karma to even join the community?

-fun fact karma farming is also against the reddit tos. They barely enforce it, but its technically wrong enough that if they flag you for some reason then they can ban you.

What a shit hole.

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Tollana1234567 1 point 4 days ago

Mods on the modhelp forum were delighted, to not work so hard trying to "review each ban" wether they were deserving of a ban or not. most of them are complicit, rarely some mods will fight for the said user(assuming they a long history with that sub). this right around the time when they were beginning the purges last year.

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imetators 35 points 4 days ago

Went to r/whatisthisworth to try to get helpo on defining what type of a lamp I have and how much I can sell it for.

Made a post. Message says "All posts are manually approved" and shortly after "We have deleted your post due to rule #whatever"

Rule states: Items must be truly unique. Posts with items that are easily to find in google or with google lens will be deleted.

Lamp in question

Lamp has no stickers, no documents, no writings on any part of it except 2 numbers: 1812-1916. If to be googled, you find similar style lamps of all other types except exactly this type. There is no brand page, nor is there any info about how much it could cost. The closest looking lamp is sold on a site that sells refurbished antique lamps. Others are facebook makretplace and vintage item listings that are dead for years. Any description anywhere says: Vintage lamp for sale. Nothing about brand, model, production year, style. NOTHING. Even LLMs have no idea and wont hallucinate an answer.

Deletion message says that I can contact any mods to ask a question regarding my deleted post. First mod does not accept private messages. Second mod does. Shooting a message that in short was:"Hey! You deleted my post stating that it is easily google-able/google-lens-able. Can you point me to where you found my item? Cause me googling it leads to a dead end." Week after waiting for a reply.

Checking this sub. Guy asks how much is this HiFi system worth. HiFi system in question has reputable brand name, model number, documents, everything. IT IS FUCKING GOOGLE-ABLE AS IT CAN GET. Post doesn't get deleted. People in comments suggest prices.

WHAT IN THE FUCK?

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DeadDigger 3 points 3 days ago

Hey can you make a picture of the numbers and where they are and can you make a better resolution picture of the dumbbell weight thing? They were pretty popular in the 70ties afaik

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imetators 1 point 3 days ago
Pictures

If it helps in any way, I got it from a local guy in Germany. He said it is from Berlin or something and could be worth a few hundred euros. I couldn't back his claims.

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razen 23 points 4 days ago

The wprst part of reddit is subs can ban you cause you interact in other subs like bruh wtf?

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The_Picard_Maneuver 34 points 4 days ago

Once, years ago after a bad school shooting, I went to the conservative subreddit to argue with them about gun control (specifically improper storage and liability) because I was so bothered by the shooting and was feeling impassioned.

Didn't get banned by the conservatives for that, but I got auto-banned from a whole list of unrelated subreddits for even speaking to them. What kind of mean-girls nonsense is that? It was like I was being ostracized for briefly sitting at the wrong lunch table.

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rimu 13 points 4 days ago

There is/was a Firefox extension that mods used which would put a warning on an account that participated in any of those subs. Mods are supposed to look into the nature of that participation before acting on it but of course not many did.

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The_Picard_Maneuver 5 points 4 days ago

Whatever it was felt automated. It was very shortly after and all happened at once. I doubt any human looked at it.

I remember people talking about the bots at the time.

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SocialMediaRefugee 3 points 4 days ago

Are you saying reddit mods can be lazy to the point of abusive? Never!

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Tollana1234567 2 points 4 days ago

anyone can just look at thier mod help sub, where they request assistance from the admins, you can tell some of them are pretty lazy or petty.

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SocialMediaRefugee 12 points 4 days ago

Mods that autoban based on participation in subs should have their mod privs revoked or be banned themselves.

Let me take a guess two of the subs that banned you, /r/upliftingnews and /r/mademesmile?

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The_Picard_Maneuver 4 points 4 days ago

I can't remember which ones they were now - it's been years. I just remember laughing at how unrelated most were.

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CancerMancer 9 points 4 days ago

I engage with conservative folks on various subs because I find they are often easier to sway over to materialist lefty thinking than liberals are. Post-GamerGate, doing so got me autobanned from a whole bunch of subreddits, including various feminist, socialist, progressive spaces.

As far as I'm aware no right-wing (or adjacent) sub banned me for being a straight up socialist, including places like conservative and mensrights.

This shit is part of why libs suck and will keep losing.

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Bluewing 1 point 4 days ago

Ha! I got banned from r/mensrights because as a working medic, I tried to explain why more public awareness campaigning for women and heart attacks was so important. And that's because they often do not present classic symptomology like men mostly do. So it can be hard to diagnose in the wild. And it's kind of important to get it right as fast as possible.

Idiots.

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KairuByte 21 points 4 days ago

This happens on Lemmy too. Both Lemmy and Reddit are moderated by humans, and humans can be dicks.

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Ensign_Crab 7 points 4 days ago

I got banned from a bunch of comms on startrek.website all at once with the word "tankie" as the justification. I had minimal participation on startrek.website. I'm sure it's a coincidence that I was fighting with PugJesus on another instance at the time. And of course jordanlund uses the banhammer as a "win argument" button.

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Tollana1234567 2 points 4 days ago

reddit does it more aggressively, they have a way of detect crossposting and ban you accordingly.

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KairuByte 2 points 3 days ago

It’s just third party tools, the exact same things can be built for Lemmy. Likely have, from some of the comments in this thread.

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razen 1 point 4 days ago

But why they are able to see my actions on any other sub even if my posts are hidden. Why is this even a thing? Just to assert dominance?

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prole 2 points 4 days ago

Lemmy is open. All of your vote information, etc, is publicly available

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Tollana1234567 4 points 4 days ago

crossbans happens, it was really aggressive during around the time when roegan started peddling to right wing base. i commented once on that sub(almost everyone in that sub was pretty making fun of joe roegan). recieved instant ban from other subs as a result.

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Grail 22 points 5 days ago

Fediverse admins should form a pact against this kind of power modding, where we all agree to ban a mod who does this this, and defed an admin who does this stuff.

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SocialMediaRefugee 7 points 4 days ago

Users should have the right to vote if a mod should lose their privileges

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GreenKnight23 20 points 4 days ago

man I got banned from so many communities on lemmy just because I had the audacity to throw shit back at the monkeys.

fuck em. I blocked them so I never have to interact with those communities ever again. if mods with fragile egos want to destroy their communities by blanket banning people from everywhere they mod, let em.

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ShaggySnacks 15 points 4 days ago

The best part of the Fediverse is that you can create your own community on your instance with black jack and hookers; no one can tell you that you can't do that.

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SocialMediaRefugee 9 points 4 days ago

You can be the lord of an empty community.

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Bluewing 1 point 4 days ago

Living in a ghost town can have a certain charm you know.

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jim_v 4 points 4 days ago

instance with black jack and hookers;

In fact, forget the instance.

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zerodawn 4 points 4 days ago

Ah, forget the whole thing.

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SocialMediaRefugee 7 points 4 days ago

How dare you engage in discussion on a discussion site.

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ScissorMeTimbres 20 points 3 days ago

I was banned from a fishing sub. Someone posted some photos of all the trash people leave at their local lake. I commented that people that do that should have their license permanently suspended. I said that they do not respect nature. I also suggested that people should bring a garbage bag and to pick up any litter they see. Banned for "toxicity"

I messaged OP and they were also banned for toxicity and the post was removed.

Messaged the mods asking how my comment was toxic. They claimed I was shaming people. I said, yes, they should be ashamed. Leaving trash is disrespectful and shameful. They said, exactly, that type of rhetoric is not allowed. I then asked them if they leave trash at the lakes were they fish. Site wide permanent account ban for harassment. I filed an appeal and it was denied.

Reddit has become a shadow of it's former self.

That's how I found the fediverse.

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StarryPhoenix97 3 points 3 days ago

I'm just glad Aaron Swartz didnt have to see one of his creations turn so far from it's original mission.

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Aeao 2 points 3 days ago

You were talking about toxicity of the city. What do you own the world? How do you own disorder?

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ScissorMeTimbres 1 point 2 days ago

My tapeworm tells me what to do.

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Warl0k3 19 points 5 days ago

We unfortunately get the same kind of thing in the fediverse - I'm still banned from a ridiculous number of sh.itjust.works communities (more than are in the modlog, even) due to automod, even tho the intial ban was reverted as a false positive.

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Waldelfe 12 points 4 days ago

I downvoted a couple of posts from one conservative community that were swept into my timeline when this account was new and I was looking around. A day later I was banned from it and five other conservative communities I had never heard of. I don't think that was automod, I think some human mods want to keep the community free of opinions they don't like.

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Warl0k3 14 points 4 days ago

Yeah, that kind of chain-banning is super popular, especially for a while over on db0. It can get pretty ridiculous, for example:

The smug ban message:

The community in question:

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GreenKnight23 3 points 4 days ago

why the fuck is it "stable" and wolves with these dumb motherfuckers?

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Warl0k3 8 points 4 days ago

db0 (the admin) is a pretty big fan of generative AI - so db0 (the instance) is quite friendly to it, and has a bunch of communities dedicated to specific types of images generated using StableDiffusion - things like StableDiffusionMycology or StableDragons or, in this case, StableWerewolves.

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Thebeardedsinglemalt 3 points 4 days ago

And nothing of value was lost

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otter 4 points 4 days ago

If it's a false positive, you should be able to get it resolved by contacting the admins

Try posting in !main@sh.itjust.works

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Warl0k3 10 points 4 days ago

While I do sincerely appreciate the suggestion, unfortunately...

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otter 3 points 4 days ago

Oh that's annoying, the next best step might be the matrix chat

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Warl0k3 3 points 4 days ago

oh! I didn't realize they had one. Thank you!

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Zoomboingding 3 points 4 days ago

Yeah I was being pedantic and caught a ban for something I completely didn't mean to insinuate. It's just internet culture at this point.

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StarryPhoenix97 18 points 3 days ago

This one is slightly more deserved but equally infuriating.

I used to lurk in some right wing spaces on reddit. I had been there for years, just watching. Taking the temperature of the groups so to speak.

I spoke up one time, To correct something I found truly egregious.

Suddenly I was shadow banned in like a dozen left-wing spaces. Spaces that I thought were about discussion.

And then I was shadow banned in the right-wing spaces the next day.

It was definitely something.

I also got banned from the pro-choice debate sub once because I asked for clarification on a bad faith argument the pro-lifers always use.

I was told it wasnt the community's job to educate me...um...yeah it kinda is because this is a DEBATE sub and I would like to know how to answer this bad faith argument when my aunt uses it at Thanksgiving.

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purple_mimosa 7 points 3 days ago

If you ever feel bad about being shunned by predditors, just remember that child trafficker Jizzlane Maxwell was/is a r/worldnews powermod.

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StarryPhoenix97 3 points 3 days ago

AND was defended by other mods. Even Admin iirc.

Yeah I've been muted in world news too. That one was for what you would expect. I criticized Isreal.

When you've been around since like 2007/2009, its almost expected that you have some bans under your belt.

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ChairmanMeow 1 point 3 days ago

As far as I know that was debunked. The account was active when Maxwell definitely couldn't have been. See also: https://coagulopath.com/...

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cockmushroom 1 point 3 days ago

What do you actually agree with in that article? Not philosophically. specifically about how they detect and evaluate the evidence they present.

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ChairmanMeow 1 point 2 days ago

I mean, the evidence is pretty solid. She gets arrested, the account remains active. She is at a party, the account is actively moderating. She is at home with no known appointments, the account is silent.

The broader premise, that the evidence that it is her is very circumstantial and coincidental is overvalued and that similar evidence that disproves it's her is ignored is pretty compelling.

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Buddahriffic 6 points 3 days ago

I gotta say that this collection of stories plus all the others is starting to feel less like power mods with vendettas and more like a large scale astroturfing campaign intended to weed out people capable of using logic and/or bridging the gap in the various manufactured (or falsely amplified) conflicts dividing people for no good reason.

It's especially weird how many feature "argued about it for 3 messages then admin banned for harassment", especially since reddit's mod problem isn't exactly a secret and they'd be even more aware of it with the full visibility they have and you'd figure they'd want to address it if they were operating on good faith.

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Randelung 2 points 3 days ago

And then they train AI even harder on it.

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VinegarChunks 4 points 3 days ago

Similar experience here. I corrected some wrong statement made on a right wing subreddit, the next day I’m banned from a handful of left wing subreddits.

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StarryPhoenix97 2 points 3 days ago

I think half my issue is that I was raised in a conservative community before moving to the city, so sometimes, I use the 'wrong speak' for both groups. Even without the automods.

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DeadDigger 4 points 3 days ago

Well that just tells you that these subs are not for discussion but for echo chambers and lamenting, even if they claim otherwise.

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Randelung 1 point 3 days ago

20 screeching libtards with blue hair vs gigachad alpha male

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StarryPhoenix97 1 point 3 days ago
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SpikesOtherDog 17 points 4 days ago

You have been banned from r/Pyongyang

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RIotingPacifist 14 points 5 days ago

It's really a shame that reddit has no interest in being good, because there are multiple ways you could address this:

  • Slashdot style moderation review is my favorite

  • having resources elect their mods could also prevent these grabs and server as a way to handle obvious abuse

But they seem more interested in getting ai to replace mods & be worse at it.

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rimu 0 points 4 days ago

How does moderation review work on Slashdot?

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RIotingPacifist 2 points 3 days ago

It's been a while so I could be mis remembering but basically once you'd been an active member long enough every once in a while you would be prompted to review moderation and upvotes (upvotes were done by category so +1 funny was different to +1 insightful), beyond that I'm not sure but I assume if you got too many of your votes rejected the weight of your votes was probably reduced or even completely ignored.

I think social media likely does this on an individual basis (so if you downvotes something someone else upvotes the fact you are anti-polarised against them is likely weighing votes going forward), but I think the weights applied globally so knowing you could be effectively judged irrelevant if you did too many stupid votes also kept people honest in how they voted (or was meant to anyway).

It's a shame nobody is really trying anything than personalized algorithms these days, if everyone has a unique experience it doesn't build an online community the way that websites used to IMO (even if some of the communities were extremely toxic)

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makeshift0546 12 points 4 days ago

Yeah definitely doesn't happen here at all. Delusional shit.

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Anonymous_Leaker 12 points 4 days ago

Reddit has become complete dog shit, and you barely can even comment, when you are a new user.

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Tollana1234567 5 points 4 days ago

not a surprise for the 3rd time, spez listened to musk after he demanded that pictures of him be removed from reddit. posts about musks are starting to disappear, and bans likely occured too.(especially the ones about him doing the nazi salut, and the one before he got hair implants.

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BarneyPiccolo 11 points 4 days ago

I once got banned from several subs because of a comment I made in a totally unrelated sub, that some moderator saw, and was offended by.

I don't remember what it was, but it wasn't particularly offensive, and it wasn't even directed at that person, and the mod didn't even moderate that sub. They just saw it, disagreed, and then banned me from a bunch of subs they modded.

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StarryPhoenix97 5 points 3 days ago

Yep same here. I dont even remember what it was at this point. It started happening so often that I just quit reddit.

I know for at least one I tried to take it to reddit admin as mod abuse but what a joke that was.

You have no right to police my behavior outside of your community and its bullshit reddit allows that kind of abuse of power.

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SocialMediaRefugee 11 points 4 days ago

Banned from /r/WelcomeToReddit

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InvalidName2 11 points 4 days ago

Welcome to Lemmy, they do the same thing here.

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placebo 4 points 4 days ago

Yeah. Idk why so many people act as if lemmy is somehow different. Same format, same people, same issues. Okay, more instances.

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SkunkWorkz 7 points 4 days ago

"Reddit moderators should be treated like celebrities" - Ex r/LiveStreamFail mod

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StarryPhoenix97 6 points 3 days ago

Let's also not forget the very manipulative and toxic stuff people did to take over some of the more fringe political subs.

I cant remember the full story but I remember a few years ago reading a wall of text explaining how like 3 users took over a block of conspiracy subs by getting the original owner banned and claiming the subs were unmoderated.

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njm1314 6 points 5 days ago

Lol, never run into PugJesus on here huh?

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Sharkticon 5 points 4 days ago

Or Jordan.

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ZombiFrancis 3 points 4 days ago

If only it were limited to mutes and bans. They wanted users purged from their comment trees anywhere they go.

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TrickDacy 6 points 4 days ago

I told a popular poster here once that something they said was bigoted because it was. Soon I was banned from several comms they mod. Very childish. Dude is such a dickhead and I'm happy I no longer see their posts tbh. People can be so fucking petty. I mod a couple communities and have never abused my role like that.

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mecfs 6 points 4 days ago path: 0 24332890, hotness: undefined, score: 6, children: 0
senorseco 5 points 3 days ago

I asked a question once and got muted for life. When I asked why I was told that my participation in another sub proves that I'm a seller. I've never sold anything via reddit.

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TryingToBeGood 5 points 5 days ago

holy crap

many yrs ago I was invited to mod some sub (I forget which) and I politely declined, because I knew the temptation to ban people would be overwhelming. I figured it was better for everyone if I didn't have such powers (even if I didn't use them).

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NaoPb 5 points 5 days ago

I'm not familiar with things like this happening on Lemmy of yet, but I imagine we have this kind of assholes over here as well.

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WoodScientist 22 points 5 days ago

They do. There's a power-tripping mod for most of the big trans communities that loves to ban people for silly ideological reasons.

Look at this ridiculous shit. What did I do to deserve this? Did I go onto a trans community and start throwing around slurs? No! I would never do that. I'm trans myself. I'm active and help run actual trans support groups in the real world. No, I got mass banned for "gatekeeping" for completely innocuous posts like this:

Or another one here:

The person that moderates these communities is completely out of touch. If any discussion organically arises about the nature of pronouns or the bounds of who counts as trans arise, this out of control mod mass bans anyone that disagrees with her ideology.

Note, I didn't go around harassing people who were using neo-pronouns. (Pronouns other than she/he/they.) It was simply an open discussion that organically developed. I personally find some neo-pronouns pretty ridiculous. Often they don't even meet the definition of a pronoun. But I wasn't forcing that belief on anyone or shoe-horning it in random discussions. I wasn't even addressing anyone who use them. But I went against the party line, so it was time for a purge. These comments had very high upvote/downvote ratios, with greater than 90% of people upvoting rather than downvoting. So her views are clearly extreme even within the Lemmy trans community.

And worst, this power-tripping woman banned me from a bunch of other communities, all justified by the same childish "gatekeeping" bullshit. What's worse is that it's so sudden. Like, it's not like they have a list of topics that are banned from discussion. The mods will allow discussions of these topics and then ban people who give answers they don't like. If your answer to "what does it mean to be trans" is anything short of "it's completely meaningless and has literally no real definition anymore," then you'll be banned for "gatekeeping."

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Skavau 11 points 4 days ago

Not commenting on the validity of your ban or not, but if you get instance banned on Lemmy - the system will automatically directly ban you from all communities on that instance that you have previously commented on. So it looks like a mass community ban.

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Jax 9 points 4 days ago

Your points make perfect sense, arbitrarily conjured pronouns serve no purpose. I also don't think anyone should be harassed for deciding to describe themselves like this, if it bothers you, you can just ignore them.

They do make me irrationally angry though. The roleplay they put everyone through... it's like, I already have to jump through hoops for social interactions and you want me to accept your pronouns are 'of the air'?

Nope, just like the dragon rider or wyvern rider or whatever the fuck — I refuse. Easy block. Like I usually don't even have anything against what they try to say (if the topic isn't about their roleplay), I just simply can't interact with the roleplay.

Not to mention I've got the sneaking suspicion that many people only do it for attention and cast doubt on anyone who tries to say otherwise with stuff like 'you're gatekeeping' 'you're a bigot' 'you're xyz'. Thought terminating clichés and whatnot.

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chloroken -8 points 4 days ago

"Roleplay" "jump through hoops" my man you're a bigot.

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Jax 7 points 4 days ago

No, I'm not — but nice thought terminating cliché! Right on cue.

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diaphragmwp 3 points 4 days ago

Was thinking of that once as well, though nobody would take a straight white man on this topic seriously. Interesting to see I am not alone.

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kolmaskommentoija 1 point 3 days ago

The online trans communities are only for certain types of people, and it is not only straight cis men that are not welcome. I have found I have no place in the rainbow communities online either, even though I am trans. Only certain types of opinions seem to dominate the discussions... and they do, because the people thinking differently are not taking part in them.

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NaoPb 1 point 5 days ago
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Wren -1 points 4 days ago

As much as I think some people abuse neopronouns, that sounds like gatekeeping to me. Someone's identity shouldn't depend on a larger democratic agreement.

I know a kid, a friend of my neice, who identifies as bunny/bun. Bun's friends, family and teachers respect Bunny's pronouns. As far as I know, Bun is just trying to make sense of bunself and the world, and if this helps, it's no problem for me. In fact, we all socially agreed to do it.

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WoodScientist 5 points 4 days ago

That's not a pronoun though, that's a name. No one can know what social role this person is aiming for or how they want to be treated, as rabbits do not exist as free people in human society.

"I identify as a rabbit, treat me like a rabbit."

"What, do you want me to lock you in a cage and raise you as a pet or source of meat and fur?"

If a child wants to play make believe, and the adults around them want to humor them, that's fine. But we're talking about adults in the real world here.

Again, the only way anyone knows how to treat this person is by learning their very specific "pronoun." And if a word cannot form as a useful shorthand, it by definition isn't a pronoun. This person doesn't have "bun" as their pronoun. That's just their nickname.

And what's really odd in these conversations is that this has fuck all to do with trans people. Going by a quirky nickname you just made up doesn't make you trans or anything other than a person with a quirky nickname.

If you have to explain it, it's not a pronoun. If it has nothing to do with gender, it's certainly not a pronoun. And gender isn't just vibes. It has to have some actual relation to human sexuality and gender roles. Do you think your gender is a cat? I'm sorry, but you're real gender is apparently clown. The purpose of pronouns is traditionally to indicate male and female. And pronouns should stick to that axis, though nonbinary folks fit neatly into that.

To me, a pronoun is something that:

  1. Is a useful and practical shorthand. (A pronoun is not a nickname.)
  2. Maps to a real gender that has some relationship to male, female, man, woman. (Could be various forms of nonbinary that say you identify between male and female, as neither male nor female, etc. But it has to actually have some connection to male/female.)

I just fundamentally reject the idea that the definitions of "gender" and "pronouns" are so meaningless that you're basically using the word "gender" interchangeably with the word "vibe." We have so many words to describe "bunself" without muddying the word pronoun. You could just say some has a rabbit-like personality or character. There's no need for cis people to appropriate trans terminology for things that have nothing to do with trans issues or the gender spectrum.

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Wren 1 point 4 days ago

Bunny doesn't identify as a rabbit. Bun is non-binary and the pronouns are bun/bunny. Not a name. We use it like they/them and ze/zem. And not a child, a teenager.

Super weird arguing specific language rules in english, of all things. Multiple languages recognize more than three gendered classes. Most importantly, language changes to fit our needs, no one should change how they express themselves or identify to fit a language model.

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chloroken -4 points 4 days ago
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WoodScientist 6 points 4 days ago

Performative victimhood helps no one. Your comically expansive definition of bigotry disgraces the memory of the trans people killed through acts of actual bigotry. You've just been pavloved into believing you can win any argument by shouting "bigot!" loudly enough. Frankly, I'm done with that shit. I have no patience for this kind of clown behavior among trans folks. I fundamentally reject your bullying.

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chloroken 0 points 4 days ago
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Jax 0 points 4 days ago
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degenerate_neutron_matter 10 points 5 days ago
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zewm 5 points 5 days ago

This type of person also exists at your work place, the grocery store, the park, etc. Some people out there are just 🤪

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DeusUmbra 4 points 5 days ago

I've seen bans for people saying "violence is never the answer" is an incorrect statement, with the mods claiming that saying that is threatening violence.

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Grail 11 points 5 days ago

America is a very curious country. It was founded by a war, and it celebrates that war every year. Every citizen has a constitutional right to own weapons.

And yet they're so averse to violence against the powers that be. So meek, so easy to control. The same people with the gadsden flags are the ones who support the police. It's befuddling.

You'd think all of the Star Wars and other movies about violently rebelling against tyranny would sink into their brains.

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DeusUmbra 6 points 4 days ago

It's the constant propaganda that depicts anyone who resorts to even just shouting as a violent extremist, and the notion that nothing was ever solved with violence. Americans are taught only what the government wants them to think was the history of the nation, and to believe that basically everything was always perfect, and any issues were settled by just some simple civil protests. They turned figures like Martin Luther King Jr into a propaganda piece to try and convince people of this, twisting the truth of the civil rights movement to appear as if it was always peaceful, and only those in the wrong ever resorted to shouting at people or using insults or violence.

Keeping people stupid and blissfully ignorant of the truth has always been the point, it makes sure they can never think about solutions to problems and instead simply accept that those in power have it all figured out for them.

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pelespirit 7 points 5 days ago

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Aganim 4 points 5 days ago

As a man that title really annoys me. This behaviour has nothing to with the mod being a man and everything with them being an insecure asshole.

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Jax 7 points 4 days ago

Idk dude, something tells me that women aren't chomping at the bit to be Reddit mods – outside of strictly female oriented subreddits.

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YiddishMcSquidish 2 points 4 days ago

Do you not remember when the facts came out about ghislane maxwell?

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Jax 5 points 4 days ago

I remember it being theorized that there was an account linked to her — but that account was a very visible power user. I think it's safe to say that if maxwellhill is Ghislaine's account that she is an outlier among outliers.

Edit: oh, also, we have rough numbers — it's roughly 75/25, men/ women respectively. So yeah, most reddit mods are men.

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optimisticturtle 1 point 4 days ago
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SectoidLexi -6 points 4 days ago

No it does. Men with a degree of power will on average react very poorly to being corrected, especially by women. If a woman mod did this she would likely catch a lot more flack for it and be removed as a mod.

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Texas_Hangover 4 points 4 days ago

Have you ever met a woman? They're not fond of being corrected either.

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Brigidaw 4 points 3 days ago

One thing I've always wondered about Reddit:

Why is it so easy to get permanently banned, sometimes even taking multiple accounts with it?

My account was over 3 years old. I would occasionally comment on relevant posts and mention that I had built a web app that might help. I wasn't blasting links everywhere, I wasn't copy-pasting the same message, and I wasn't even naming the app most of the time. These opportunities were rare enough that I might do it once a week, maybe twice at most.

Then one day: permanent ban.

Not just that account, but another account that was over 2 years old got caught in it as well.

Maybe Reddit's systems detected it as self-promotion. Maybe there was another reason I don't know about. But from a user's perspective, it feels surprisingly harsh when years of account history can disappear so quickly.

What surprises me most is that they seem comfortable making these decisions knowing how frustrating it can be for legitimate users. Losing years of participation, conversations, and reputation in an instant is enough to make anyone pretty upset.

Has anyone else experienced something similar, or am I missing something about how Reddit approaches enforcement?

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Zacpod 1 point 3 days ago

Yup! I got permabanned for suggesting (lightheartedly!) that the guy who had wrecked the local library be put in stocks so the community could pelt them with rotten fruit and veg. Permabanned for inciting violence! Account was, like, 10+ years old.

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Brigidaw 2 points 3 days ago

That's really bad. They're really bad 🥲

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cheese_greater 3 points 5 days ago

They should not be able to charge or enforce api fees on contributing+ obv addicted human users. Its bullshit but it so clears the way for me not paying them for the privilege of getting banned and muted constantly

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LovableSidekick 3 points 3 days ago

Mods vary from objective to fanatical. Overzealous ones thinking they're doing god's work by slapping you down isn't exclusive to reddit, but yeah it's definitely there.

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underscores 3 points 3 days ago

I play FFXIV. I once criticized the producer in an FFXIV subreddit for promising things he doesn't deliver, I immediately got banned.

The subreddit has nothing to do with Square Enix. Modding in Reddit is just a way for Reddit mods to silence whoever they want without reproach.

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osanna 3 points 3 days ago

FYI, shadow banning is done by the admins, not mods and isn’t the same as being banned/muted from a sub

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Blindsite 3 points 4 days ago

Yeah I've found Reddit to be complicated at best. Kinda drama driven most of the time. So I tend to lose interest and just go there on occasion for tech related stuff. Even less so now.

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Tollana1234567 2 points 4 days ago

the only complicated thing is, reddits ban/filtering system especially with AI has been turned way higher than other platform.

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FinjaminPoach 2 points 5 days ago

Never be able to set foot in an allotment in denver ever again

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DoucheBagMcSwag 2 points 4 days ago

Louisville, KY

Kentucky. Checks out

Edit: no it doesn't

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Zoomboingding 5 points 4 days ago

Its Lewisville CO... It says CO/Colorado multiple times

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Godric 1 point 4 days ago
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Aarrodri -11 points 5 days ago

What an idiot immature muppet. Can he be doxed? People like this needs to be exposed and made fun of.

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Grail 7 points 5 days ago

A guy being an asshole on the internet is not a good reason to compromise his personal safety. His handle should be blacklisted on the internet, but there's no reason to remove his ability to change his handle and create a better name for himself. The great power of the internet is freedom to reinvent yourself. To rehabilitate yourself. To become better than you were yesterday. Take that away from people, and they stay awful.

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Krauerking 0 points 5 days ago

So there is a problem we need to solve... Does the internet matter?

Like seriously, we like to say that the internet is a place for freedom and not to be taken seriously but also that the internet is a mandatory utility like water and electricity. And it has reap world impact.

So we need a way to have rules and punishment for behavior if it matters that isnt ignorable. Or we need to accept that the 2 worlds are tied together.

I think it is a bit like the real world. If there isnt a lot of eyes on you and no enforcement in your area you can get away with lots of stuff but doing stuff that draws attention should invite the ability for group intervention. But yeah people are dangerous and dumb even the ones on the "good" side often use it as an excuse to do what they want.

Dealing with humanity is rough.

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paraphrand 4 points 4 days ago

Calling for doxing is similar to calling for the most serious fix for ban evasion. Both link real life identities to accounts.

As the internet increases in its centrality to political and social discourse, and as rampant manipulation of it by tools like automation and algorithms and LLMs grows ever more common, we will see louder and louder calls for the bringing in of the accountability people have in the real world in their local communities.

I’m pretty sure many in power or who are seeking power understand this trend, and look to use it to usher in more power for themselves. This sucks. And it has an unfortunate side effect of drowning out legitimate discourse on the problems that anonymity and ban evasion are causing in our primary communication medium.

The internet isn’t another place. It’s not divorced from reality. It’s just a communication medium for humans in the real world.

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Krauerking 1 point 4 days ago

Yeah.

That about sums it up. It is a communication tool that for some reason (corporations and power) been denied that and turned into a media machine instead and told that is what it always was.

But yeah... People like being able to say stuff without accountability but unfortunately it can't be nothing but that for a community to thrive.

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Grail 2 points 4 days ago

So we need a way to have rules and punishment for behavior if it matters that isnt ignorable.

You mean like getting the capitalist state to police people's lives and throw them in prison? No thanks, I prefer anarchy.

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Holytimes 2 points 5 days ago

People down voting this have never lived a single day off the internet in their lives. Shit bags like this get fucking called out and isolated in an actual functional community.

If you want to put yourself in a position of power you lose the right to hide behind the screen. Fuck off with protecting fucktards who abuse others.

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Prove_your_argument 3 points 5 days ago

The problem is that tons of communities are run by organizations using a user account (or several) that isn't actually tied to an individual.

The whole thing is setup perfectly for revenue. The site administration is as transparent as a slab of granite and really only answers to the feds.

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