If everybody else is crazy but you, it's time to take a look in the mirror.
The fediverse isn't worth saving after all.
The god complex is unreal.
That post seems to be missing.
doeknius_gloek 367 points 3 months ago
SnotFlickerman 218 points 3 months ago
I read this earlier, some notes:
They're upset that people they thought would agree with this course of action "turned on them." There's clearly zero self reflection or consideration that maybe, just maybe, their actions were out of line and the community response was deserved (minus death threats, but I also don't really know if I believe that's true, because this person is obviously a lying, gaslighting asshat).
Everyone else, though, enjoy your toxic, xenophobic, knee-jerk-to-violence, purity-testing, and harassing-anyone-who-doesn’t-fall-in-line cess pit. One day you, too, will do or say something that doesn’t toe the line and you’ll be right where I am.
This idiot is whining about a self-inflicted wound, literally nobody gave a shit about what they said it's what they did.
Also note that they keep digging deeper into "I have to have the last word so I have to remove any and all ways for people to reply to me. I won, I know I did. They're just all out to get me." Just really pathetic conspiratorial thinking to justify the fact that they did something fucking idiotic and people took them to task for it.
Not one person would give a shit if they bitched about it on Lemmy, but "taking matters into their own hands" (as in the original post said "somebody had to!" because they had to don't you see? what a fucking lummox.) and not being open in an OPEN SOURCE COMMUNITY.
EDIT: To really show the God Complex off they really should have ended with God's Final Message to His Creation:
Sorry for the inconvenience.
EDIT II: Holy shit guys, the've actively built a way to DDOS dbzer0 into the dubvee page. How can anyone take this fucking walking pile of shit seriously? They have a raging hate boner and they're just lazily jerking it.
SailorFuzz 139 points 3 months ago
This idiot is whining about a self-inflicted wound, literally nobody gave a shit about what they said it’s what they did.
Exactly. It's Lemmy. I've had unpopular takes, I've had shit takes and hot takes... I take them all in stride. Let the downvotes hit, it's fine.
What I didn't do is go "ohyea you don't agree with me? I'll show you!!" and then try to censor their voices by using whatever power I had.
pentastarm 39 points 3 months ago
I feel like down votes/up votes aren't, or weren't, supposed to be the focus here. Heck, on Voyager, I hide the vote numbers. Why are fake Internet points so important to people??
But yeah, dude didn't even consider that maybe it's them that fucked up. Just doubled down and noped out to preserve their ego.
petrol_sniff_king 14 points 3 months ago
The votes represent, in some sense, a social consensus, and consensus actually does matter quite a lot to people.
If you ever see people arguing about which movie is objectively better than some other, that's what they're doing. They're fighting for social capital.
ericwdhs 4 points 3 months ago
Seeing the social consensus can be legitimately useful in many situations outside subjective opinion though. YouTube dislikes are the classic example. They were a very reliable way to know when a tutorial was not worth your time.
SnotFlickerman 13 points 3 months ago
and that also feel like "you guys just don't get it, I'm right, so I don't have to think about your agency!"
El_Scapacabra 5 points 3 months ago
iT's FoR YoUr oWN GoOd!!!!1!!!!!!!
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whoisearth 11 points 3 months ago
Bingo. I've been banned from a few communities because God forbid I have an opinion that doesn't align with the mods. You think I care? No. Because I control what I can and accept what I can't.
eugenevdebs 7 points 3 months ago
Fascists must project their insecurities onto others to remain strong in their ego and images.
Grimy 31 points 3 months ago
He banned WholesomeYuri by using a shadowban list and infecting other instances with it.
I don't see any harrassment or toxicity from that sub but I sure see it in his actions. I probably would have let this go already if he wasn't such a massive hypocrite.
eugenevdebs 27 points 3 months ago
Holy shit guys, the’ve actively built a way to DDOS dbzer0 into the dubvee page. How can anyone take this fucking walking pile of shit seriously? They have a raging hate boner and they’re just lazily jerking it.
Breaking federal law because you got butt hurt to own the commies online documenting your actions
The real bad guys are the fact checks, go after them FBI!
SnotFlickerman 13 points 3 months ago
What's even stupider is there is a clear record of the traffic coming from a site registered to them, and them alone, whose only user is... them. What a fuckin jabroni.
aizakku 26 points 3 months ago
Taking things into one hands while trying to steer many communities with a heavy fist (blacklisting without admin’s knowledge) seems like very sociopathic behaviour. Hopefully he’s just a kid and will grow out of the childish behaviour what appears to boil down that we need him and he doesn’t need us? I don’t think he deserves death threats but AdmiralPatrivcks behaviour demonstrates reason #3221 why we need decentralization like the fediverse.
There are sociopathic individuals littered throughout society and corpos act socio if not more psychopathic while chasing the almighty dollar. When things happen in the corporate socials, they are driven by a topdown without the users even knowing what’s happening. This event has shown me that Lemmy can and will find those individuals that try to game the system can and will be held accountable. This is good news if you value autonomy and critical thoughts.
CarbonIceDragon 12 points 3 months ago
Im inclined to believe that there were death-threats. I dont agree with what this person did here, but it should be considered that there is a certain segment of the population that has sufficiently poor consideration for others or emotional regulation that they will send death threats to people that make them angry, and, importantly, while this segment may be more or less common in some groups, that tendency in itself does not force a person to hold or not hold a given view (even ideologies or ethical systems that condemn death threats, because plenty of people out there are hypocritical). As such, these people can be expected to exist in any sufficiently large group, to include whatever groups you, I, or anyone else consider to be an "in-group". The tesseract dev got a lot of people mad, so, it would honestly surprise me if they didnt get a few such threats just given the sheer number of chances for one of the angry people to be of the sort to send them. If anything, Id expect a shittier person to be slightly more likely to get them just because people like that tend to do more things that make people mad at them, though this should not be taken as saying that people that get death threats are necessarily shitty people or that they're deserved.
That stuff aside, Ive had mixed feelings about this whole affair. I do agree that the hidden blacklist thing was way out of line, but I find that most of the criticism Ive seen doesnt really give the right reason (in my point of view) for why it was out of line. (Namely, Ive seen a lot of it framed as "this is censorship, its wrong to make software that intentionally does not display posts from specific people/places". I dont think I really like this argument, because I think a lot of the people making it havent really considered the implications of it thoroughly. Its generally considered acceptable for users to block other users for example, for moderators to ban users from a community, and for instances to defederate from other instances if they feel the need, and these things also prevent one seeing the posts of affected users, they just happen at a different layer than tesseract did. It is censorship, yes, but one cant expect to be entitled to the attention of others, theres simply too many people that have things to say, even important things, for it to be otherwise, nobody can possibly pay attention to everyone, nor is it healthy to try, so there must be systems in place that allow one to ignore those one doesnt want to see in favor of those one does.
The problem in my view is one of consent: if tesseract had made it known upfront that using it without disabling some default setting also opted the user into its developer's personal blocklist, then, well, it wouldnt be much different than when people on microblog platforms share blocklists with others, or when people choose an instance based on that instance's federation decisions. I would not personally have wanted to use it, as I have different ideas of what I want to block and not block, but I dont think that in theory it would have been unethical for it to exist in that state. However, while the dev themself seems to have thought that they had done enough to make this feature known, based on one of their responses to the controversy at least, they clearly did not, else the public response to the list's exposure would not have been outrage so much as "well yeah, thats what that program does, dont use it".
Part of this I think is that while moderation decisions are expected of an instance, they dont tend to be expected from alternate UI software, so, what would have qualified as "making it known upfront" would necessarily have to have been been very blatant. As it was, they certainly didnt meet that bar, and it was very plausible for a new user to find tesseract and end up using this guy's list without knowing about it. This isnt something Ive seen come up in the angry response nearly as often as just "he's blacklisted people that I dont think ought to have been, doesnt he know blocking people is bad, what an authoritarian!". Though of course, I havent seen every post about this whole deal so its possible that I simply have missed that criticism and just seen the angry memes.)
While Ill agree that self-reflection in their part would have been the most desirable outcome, I dont think it was ever really a realistic one. I doubt that any but a small fraction of the population would really be capable of anything but defensiveness when they have managed to anger thousands of strangers into yelling at them, its not a situation that humans are really well adapted for or handle well, given that the conditions we arose in would not have allowed for it nearly as easily as those of today do. As such, I think that just leaving in frustration, while not a satisfying resolution or a perfect one, is probably the best ending that could reasonably hoped for here. The other likely outcome would have been doubling down further and keeping the anger going, and by leaving there's at least a chance that they might reflect on what happened once emotions have a chance to die down.
SnotFlickerman 46 points 3 months ago
Yeah I think you missed the early discussion, which was all about "if you had just been honest and allowed admins to alter it, no one would have cared."
That fact that it specifically targets the LGBT community is also a huge aspect of why people are rightfully pissed
TropicalDingdong 11 points 3 months ago
Its harder to explicitly say, but it also covers a wide swath of the people who were explicitly pointing out the relationship between Bidens ongoing failure to stop the genocide in Palestine and it's relationship with their failing electorally. This was a major and decisive theme in the period of 2024-2025. Both Admiral Patrick and major admins and mods fell on one side, the wrong side, of this issue with regards to using the platform to further their implicit agenda.
SnotFlickerman 8 points 3 months ago
Truth bomb. They still blame us instead of Biden.
Seleni 5 points 3 months ago
That still doesn’t excuse the DDOS.
And given how well he hid it, it’s obvious that he never intended that anyone see that list but him. That’s most of the ‘how dare he block so-and-so’ that I’ve seen; people mocking him for blocking them, yes, but they almost always tied it back to the fact that he was censoring the feeds of others without any kind of notification or opt-out for his users.
Saying ‘here’s my blocklist; if you don’t like it, you can toggle it off, or find another frontend’ is curating, and that’s okay. But deciding what others get to see because ‘you know best’ and hiding that list of people and instances you blocked so no-one can find out what they’re not being allowed to see is censorship, and it’s not okay.
CarbonIceDragon 4 points 3 months ago
I wrote the thing you replied to before I learned about the DDOS thing
Seleni 2 points 2 months ago
That’s fair.
But I also don’t think they did anything whatsoever to ‘let people know’ about the blocklist like they claimed. In fact, it seems to me from how much they tried to hide it that they never intended to share that they had one, at all.
As far as the death threats… meh, who knows? From all their comments, and their attempting to defend themselves in the third person using alt accounts, they seem to be quite a drama queen with only a loose connection to reality. They interpreted lots of rather rational comments back in the beginning of all this saying ‘dude, you can’t just force people to use your blocklist’ as vicious attacks against their person and character, so I can see them interpreting more aggressive ‘how dare you tell me what to do’ comments as actual threats against their person.
On the other hand, negative self-centered people tend to attract negative, self-centered people, and I can imagine that some of those might take… poorly to finding out they’d ended up on his blocklist for disagreeing with him. Especially if they had thought they were on the same side.
CileTheSane 4 points 3 months ago
Everyone else, though, enjoy your toxic, xenophobic, knee-jerk-to-violence, purity-testing, and harassing-anyone-who-doesn’t-fall-in-line cess pit. One day you, too, will do or say something that doesn’t toe the line and you’ll be right where I am.
Doesn't that perfectly describe how they operated their hidden ban list?
RustyShackleford 183 points 3 months ago
I find it unbelievable that he claimed to have handled himself with dignity and grace. It’s as if he’s incapable of acknowledging or addressing his wrongdoing. This behavior is almost sociopathic.
Quokka 174 points 3 months ago
The Dubvee site is being used for crime. AdmiralPatrick has included JavaScript at the end of the page to send 1,000 requests per visit to dbzer0 to attempt to DDOS them.
This is illegal and extremist behaviour.
Wren 146 points 3 months ago
He pushed a shadowban list into his code, complained that everyone didn't like it (comments locked,) complained that no one liked his explanation (comments locked,) then ragequit because it's all a big conspiracy against him.
It's sad to see someone who seems to want to do the right thing this bad fall victim to some kind of savior complex where they completely fail to empathize with the people they want to save.
Leaving is the best course of action for him. I hope he has a chance to reflect on all this, since self reflection was clearly not a priority for him.
SailorFuzz 79 points 3 months ago
Anyone who appoints themselves as the sole authority of on what is moral and good is a bad person. That is straight up fascist thinking. There's no wanting to do the right thing here. This is one person's ego driving them to think they knew better than everyone else, and that kind of thinking should not be not be given any grace.
Wren 34 points 3 months ago
I give most people grace.
Keeping myself above water, mentally, is a daily routine. I done some stupid, weird shit for the wrong reasons and have been very close to other people who've done similar and worse. The worst part about mental health problems like ours is the inability to see the whole picture when you're inside it.
Maybe he's an asshole, maybe he's going through shit, maybe both. I know for sure that whatever I believe has absolutely no bearing on this situation and everything to do with my own mindset, so I condemn the actions and choose grace.
deegeese 19 points 3 months ago
They deserved to be able to explain their idea and correct the worst aspects of it. Instead they censored all criticism and resorted to ad hominem attacks.
At that point they lose all sympathy from me.
TrickDacy 18 points 3 months ago
There's no wanting to do the right thing here. This is one person's ego driving them to think they knew better than everyone else, and that kind of thinking should not be not be given any grace.
I can't say I agree. He did think he knew what was good for everyone but I think it truly was "right" in his mind. It's a bizarre and dishonest thing to do, but I think he thought it was justified. He probably won't self reflect but leaving here will make it more likely.
Signtist 6 points 3 months ago
You're both right. He had good intentions, but good intentions implemented in bad ways can be - and often are - just as harmful as bad intentions. If you want to be beneficial for society, you can't just hope for the best: you need to actively assess whether your actions are helping, and course correct if they aren't. It's a tiresome, often thankless job, but it's required to do actual good.
SpruceBringsteen 39 points 3 months ago
They didn't leave, they're reading the comments butthurt AF right now.
Skullgrid 19 points 3 months ago
IDK davey, he banned half the fediverse, maybe the comments he's reading are all supportive since he decided that he's not going to listen to those of us that disagree.
He can't even see this text because he put me in his fancy banlist.
eugenevdebs 12 points 3 months ago
Seeing how they previously said they were leaving after being unable to sway the Fediverse, probably reading it all right now.
eugenevdebs 10 points 3 months ago
But he said he would leave! He's never lied before.
Maybe someday he'll go back to doom scrolling Facebook like he said he would. That certainly explains his views a lot.
breadsmasher 8 points 3 months ago
also you get banned for replying with anything except boot licking to their authoritarian takes
Miner_Fabs 1 point 2 months ago
It's sad to see someone who seems to want to do the right thing this bad fall victim to some kind of savior complex where they completely fail to empathize with the people they want to save.
if i understood his long, rambly posts about it, he might have wanted to save the fediverse, but he didn't do it for us.
he did it for the "normies" who would otherwise be filtered out by "malcontents" and toxic content; for those used to (relatively) comfier social media platforms.
i think fundamentally, though, it's better for fewer newbies to engage with the fediverse (and for some to turn back) than to have the masses use this place the same as any other social media, with a curated feed where nothing too wrong or uncomfortable ever pops up. i don't think we really want that audience, anyway.
i wonder if things would be different if he started with that attitude.
FalschgeldFurkan 132 points 3 months ago
Imagine hiding a blacklist of users as well as a fucking DDoS script on your frontend, then trying to act as if you're the "good guy" lmao.
I really wonder though what he means with "xenophobia on Lemmy", especially since his blacklist seemed to have served transphobic purposes
volore 130 points 3 months ago
Holy shit this crashout keeps getting funnier and funnier. "I have held my ground with dignity and grace" says the man imposing hidden block lists on users of his frontend; having a very public bitch-fit about the backlash for this; and, now, DDoSing another instance with more hidden code. Truly the pinnacle of dignity and grace.
Given this is his second time ragequitting the fediverse, what's the over/under on him crawling back, y'reckon? I give it more than a month, less than six.
fartographer 123 points 3 months ago
You crazies won and proved me wrong.
Also:
I won't give you the personal satisfaction of having won
Cool story.
picnic 91 points 3 months ago
Now, thanks for the dev for last few days of engaging content.
I've been alive for more than a half of an average lifespan already, and working over 20 years I've met guys and gals who have not had the ability to read or predict social cues nor understand how some acts will look like for outsiders.
My own kid is on the spectrum with a diagnosis so I've read and studied quite a bit on the matter. This might sound harsh, but in the long run I think telling the truth will help the guy. I guess the dev in question here is either young or on the spectrum. Both are alright and we all make mistakes.
Censorship because people dont fall in line with your expectations or beliefs is not right. You will learn that along the way. I was more black and white, right or wrong 20 years ago. Getting married, travelling the world, having kids will even out straight edges. You will find grey between the black and white.
Just walk away if the internet feels too burdensome. Open source is absolutely great, but dont forget that people on the internet are clever, and sometimes even more clever than you, or me for that matter.
Kind of funny to be on the exclusive list. If you dont feel right apologising, thats alright. And even if you dont want it or need it, I still forgive you for trying to censor me.
Just remember though, shitposting is forever.
PeriodicallyPedantic 90 points 3 months ago
javiwhite 90 points 3 months ago
Claims fediverse is rife with DARVO then proceeds to...
- Deny any wrongdoing
- Attack a Lemmy instance with DDOS
- Reverse the victim and offender role by claiming they were just trying to 'save the fediverse'
Every accusation really is a confession with these chucklefucks ain't it.
chickenf622 88 points 3 months ago
If he was upfront with adding a block list, like a little message that pops up, and giving the user the option to opt out, then this would've been a non-issue. I can see some people wanting a curated block list to not have politic, rage subs, etc., but doing it in a hidden way will always leave a bad taste in my mouth.
unemployedclaquer 88 points 3 months ago
We all know it was underhanded to deploy a secret list
Please don't be weird about it
TrickDacy 44 points 3 months ago
Yeah that's my take on it. It was a very weird thing to do on many levels. Especially doing it with the secret API call. The guy didn't understand the fediverse and wanted to mold it arbitrarily. Even if he had gone about it non-secretly it was very doomed to failure for a lot of reasons, but doing it secretly was making sure it would fail even harder. The whole idea of this platform is that you can block any number of instances/people/communities but trying to secretly do that on other people's behalf was never going to end well.
Having said all that, there is quite a bit of toxicity here that goes unchecked. But his idiotic way of dealing with it was never the right move.
pelespirit -17 points 3 months ago
Other instances do this, he's not the only one. There is a github program that you can use. Also, cloudflare (cloudfare?) probably does a bit of that too.
Edit: This one just talks about it: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3202
This one talks about a slur filter in 2020, couldn't that be for any topic they don't want?: https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/622
pelespirit -49 points 3 months ago
No it's not. If I have an instance that blocks any mention of lgbtq+, or trump, or biden, or whatever, that wouldn't be cool at all. It would be fine if they told you up front, but not if it's a secret.
Edit: Meaning, that's literally what shadowbanning is or curating the feeds.
Trampampoline 9 points 3 months ago
Gotosocial and Jabber(XMPP) have blocklists too. Optional ones.
pelespirit -15 points 3 months ago
Optional is great. which means people are told that it's there. The downvote brigade is here for a reason though. Red.dit flashbacks.
eugenevdebs 15 points 3 months ago
The brigade from who? Who's bregading you?
unemployedclaquer 5 points 3 months ago
Yah we're getting it from every angle. Oooh where do you get secure DNS?
Ffs don't answer that
Trampampoline 3 points 3 months ago
unbound raspberrypi next to the router
our dns doesn't exist, fam
unemployedclaquer 1 point 3 months ago
Sorry I need to salivate and expectorate fairly often but yes I an interested
unemployedclaquer 2 points 3 months ago
Is this a hard comparison to ongoing controversy? I'm on a mobile but can come back on a desktop. Although yeah cloudflare, hmmm, never heard of it, but my neighbor is yelling at their dog
eugenevdebs 85 points 3 months ago
Fuck lemmy world’s admin team for condoning that behavior and letting the human skidmark db0 DARVO his way out of the situation while brigading with his army of malcontents whom he wields like a cult leader. He knows exactly what he is doing, and you all continue to allow him to get away with it.
He's so angry about being found out, the person who blew the whistle is the bad guy.
Enron probably had the same mentality.
chronicledmonocle 85 points 3 months ago
Tries to censor people they don't agree with by sabotaging their software
Hides a DDoS script
"Everyone else is unreasonable and terrible!"
Absolute psycho shit.
El_Scapacabra 75 points 3 months ago
Okay but I'm confused though. How are we all still posting here now that the main character has left the fediverse?
godsammitdam 73 points 3 months ago path: 0 24974047, hotness: undefined, score: 73, children: 8
Allero 68 points 3 months ago
a hidden core of users that I should try to make more visible amongst all the rage
Good riddance. If there is any lesson anyone should take, it is that Fediverse does not tolerate when one person decides what others get to see.
Various people attempting this is why we got Fediverse in the first place.
zr0 66 points 3 months ago
Everybody can create a frontend that filters out certain words or users on purpose, for the goal to have a “nicer” experience.
But why hide it? Why even go that far to load it at runtime, so that it is not visible in the source code? And why hiding a DDOS script, targeting one instance, while saying they are the “normal one”?
What a psychopath. And they will be back soon enough unfortunately.
Assassassin 64 points 3 months ago
Lol imagine being such an egotistical prick that you write an entire multipage manifesto just to rage quit a tiny social network. No one gives a shit about your position on the matter, Patrick. It certainly lacks the depth or complexity required to necessitate that many words.
anarchiddy 63 points 3 months ago
Legendary crash out, 10/10 fantastic finale
The guy wanted to be able to moderate in the background and went to efforts to block mod abuse comms - of course people are going to find ways to express dissent, and of course he's going to be incredibly triggered by it.
But his reaction to the pushback has been spectacular, no notes
anon_8675309 62 points 3 months ago
He ain’t going anyplace. He’ll just use a different account.
Pogogunner 62 points 3 months ago
lol.
He can't control what everyone else is looking at, none of his trantrums got anyone on his side, so he has to leave instead of admitting any level of culpability for his own actions. I hope he does better things in the future.
Hueristic_Autistic 59 points 3 months ago
The removal of that person moderating people to the level of being shadow banned without notice means that Lemmy did indeed just save itself, does it not?
finallymadeanaccount 58 points 3 months ago
This sounds suspiciously like a power-tripping ex-Reddit mod, who found themselves on the wrong side of a Reddit bot ban, and gravitated to Lemmy, bringing with them the sense of entitlement, haughtiness, and ridiculous God Complex the worse Reddit mods carried. And, upon realising that shit don't fly here, chucked a tanty, and piddled with impotent anger and thoughts of vengeance, like a rabid locust.
Maybe they'll be happier at Digg?
DistrictSIX 55 points 3 months ago
If everyone you encounter is an asshole, guess who the real asshole is.
wraekscadu 55 points 3 months ago
What a loser.
Yes, developing FOSS can be a very thankless job. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having political disagreements with people.
BUT, not having explicitly disclosed client wide blocklists is such a shitty thing to do. The fediverse is supposed to be FREE from shadowbans and secretive political manipulations. And the DDoS script? Ew.
While this person definitely doesn't deserve death threats, they definitely deserve all the bullying directed at them.
ReluctantMuskrat 53 points 3 months ago
Even people around here I'd interacted with positively for years and had grown to respect because they seemed level headed and above the immature and sociopathic bullshit that dominates this platform showed their true selves.
Or, I don't know... maybe you're the problem.
UnfortunateShort 49 points 3 months ago
Normal people: I'll just subscribe to stuff I want to see
This guy: I'll build my own frontend and shadowban everything I hate - down to individual users I had even just one slightly unpleasant interaction with - for all its users 😡
Wth man. The thing instantly became a meme. Say 'whoopsy haha', make the banlist optional or remove it and tomorrow nobody gives a shit anymore...
I don't get people DMing the dev either tho. Especially stuff like death threats (if that is even true) because of random BS like this. It is one frontend for Lemmy. Surely one can do without it.
tutter 49 points 2 months ago
Absolutely wild to include the DDOS. like bro wtf are you even doing at this point. What did you think was gonna happen? You've played the 'moderate level headed adult' since this thing blew up "i only wanted a nice clean place for the normieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees", which, was a very transparent lie to anyone willing to look at the case, but then following up with this?
either insane egotism or complete disregard for consequences. in any case 100% brainworms.
and i just keep thinking to myself WHY DO YOU KEEP BOTHERING?! Just leave the internet alone for a while dude. Do other things. This is NOT healthy, for anyone, especially the kirkmeister.
kylie_kraft 46 points 3 months ago path: 0 24969291, hotness: undefined, score: 46, children: 1
captainlezbian 2 points 3 months ago
Yeah I was a lot more sympathetic last crashout
infinitesunrise 46 points 3 months ago
Lmao what a cringe crashout. Predictably, not a single mention in this essay regarding the reason why everyone suddenly hates them. Bye Felicia.
Hope a Tesseracts fork has more trustworthy devs than this guy.
Seleni 3 points 3 months ago
path: 0 24969218 24982696, hotness: undefined, score: 3, children: 0
Lot of the same energy there.
eugenevdebs 46 points 3 months ago
I wonder how long he'll be gone this time.
Dubvee admin is the guy that wrote a crying goodbye post over a ago saying the fediverse is a failure because people like the luigi guy, then some time ago he came back like nothing happened.
https://lemmy.zip/post/43721937
So he's a fascist who hates trans people and yet can't be bothered to leave. What's with liberals trying to colonize this place?
godsammitdam 45 points 3 months ago path: 0 24972260, hotness: undefined, score: 45, children: 1
endless_nameless 45 points 3 months ago
The internet is an insane asylum
qevlarr 43 points 3 months ago
Ultimate power trippin mod to build your banlist straight into the client and put all kinds of folks on there who aren't breaking any rules but expressing an opinion you don't like...
No self reflection at all
JackbyDev 43 points 3 months ago
All this from the one who thought people saying "perchance" deserved to be treated the same as the so-called violent extremists. Stopping people from saying "perchance" isn't fucking "saving the fediverse."
Windex007 41 points 3 months ago
As a former administrator of a top 100 sub, I've seen the absolute unhinged mod power tripping. My a large margin, mods were at least an equal threat to a community as the bad actors in the community.
For this reason, I've been a major proponent of a model where groups of users can generate and curate thier OWN collaboratively maintained ban lists, and users can with full visibility OPT IN to different filters.
As well, I think being able to "opt in" to users to see mod removed comments, or "opt out" of a mods comment removals would be cool. I think removed comments remain in the modlog and could be re-injected into what users see given appropriate "opt in" configuration.
Having a decentralized mechanism to manage and opt in to such lists would provide a way to combat power tripping at a grassroots level, as well as allowing broad filtering to let people choose thier experience.
This is all entirely predicated on it being:
A) with full auditable transparency
B) a clear opt-in mechanic
Hard disagreements between curators can easily be handled by forking the lists.
Long story short, I really like the idea of managed content suppression (and ideally un-supression) lists curated by regular users available in an opt-in manner because they act as a counterbalance mechanic to the outsized power that mods hold an INEVITABLY abuse.
But it's so fucking far from ethical to try and just sneak one in. I genuinely can not understand how much contempt for the agency of other human beings one must have to be able to rationalize such a thing.
ToastedCoconuts 40 points 3 months ago
He hasn't quit. He's still making comments on his alt about this whole mess
Edit these are the two alts I know the names of: https://piefed.blahaj.zone/u/ptz@dubvee.org
Ethanol 39 points 3 months ago
This is quite sad tbh. While it was a pretty bad idea to quietly bake in a blacklist with no configuration options, no one should be harassed and getting death threats over this! This whole rant is quite stupid too, I hope the tesseract dev calms down.
Also: purposefully DDOSing a server as some kind of petty revenge is just disgraceful.
Obligatory mention for devs, make sure you still spent time outside of your projects. Don't force yourself to work on stuff and end up neglecting irl stuff like the tesseract dev did!
Microtonal_Banana 39 points 3 months ago
It has been fun learning about the inner workings of the fediverse in such a dramatic fashion. 🍿
Rothe 39 points 3 months ago
If I can stand up for what’s right
Yeah, secret undisclosed baked in unexplained banlists. What a "dignified and graceful" way to stand up for something, definitely not underhanded, sneaky and authoritarian.
theham 38 points 3 months ago
Somebody got to do a vid on this drama. I am so confused. He tryin to DDOS somebody... calling us antisocial? What a turd. Punk ass trick. To be honest I think lemmy and the fedi is way cleaner than reddit. Such a baby. When I act naughty I get repremanded and dealt with. I don't know what he is talking about. He a trojan horse and douche. Bye felica... we like liberty around these parts 🤠
MonkderVierte 38 points 3 months ago
Maybe don't include a obfuscated (and clearly politically motivated) blacklist of half of lemmy?
But seriously, who did harassing, death treats? That's clearly not ok and he should have reported them.
SCmSTR 36 points 3 months ago
That's actually really sad. Not because I agree with him, but because it's always sad to see this sort of falling down. Like imagine, a parallel timeline where this person's parents hadn't abused them, and they hadn't had been bullied or whatever, or had faced repercussions for poor behavior, or had gotten the help they needed years ago. Right? Like if something hadn't gone wrong, they wouldn't have ended up like this.
Knowing that all the magas, Nazis, real tankies (the ones that REALLY want to just slaughter anybody that disagrees, iron fist style), all the bullies and buttholes out there, and all the other messed up of us, who fall down into evil or extreme burnout... Knowing this happens at all, is still sad, to me.
I'm American and think you know who needs to be you know what'ed. But even then, knowing that he grew up in such a disgusting environment, ruining him, not ever really allowing his upper brain functions to fully come to, and the past-but-then-future path for him that was inevitable of bad behavior and responses from society that would drive him to be exactly like this..... Knowing that shit happens to humans, in our species, theoretically within our control, is sad. And seeing obvious predictions and fears come to pass in real-time is never fun.
With the admiral patrick guy, it's pathetic and gross and shitty and honestly good riddance, but still the human part of me is like, that confusion and frustration he's obviously avoiding and coping with ego and trying to fill the sadness with "you are all sociopaths harassing me and at least I tried to stand my ground"... Like he obviously doesn't quite understand, and honestly, truly, neither do we. He stood up for his shitty moderate centrist beliefs for some real goal, behaved like an outcast petulant child, and handled it relatively poorly. But like, I see this shit all the time from all SORTS of people, in all sorts of capacities, public or not.
I won't miss him. I don't use an html lemmy interface. I luckily don't have to run an instance (thank you, Ada). But it would be inhuman of me to absolutely, irresponsibly condemn this dude to shitty-hell for trying to do something that his twisted mind probably thought was right. Will he change? Probably not. Will he get worse? Probably. Will he directly hurt somebody? I hope not. Will he likely fall in with a worse crowd? Happens ALL the time.
So I beg of everybody here, to stop, and consider what went wrong for this guy. Put yourself in his shoes, I know that's too big an ask for most people - but that's kind of my point, and the problem here. He fucked up, he based it on fucking up, and somewhat kept fucking up even after he left (a ddos script? Really?). But pain only begets more pain. Really try to figure out what went wrong, what the points in time were where he REALLY could have been recovered by any of us or somebody in real life. You aren't going to get the right answer. A lot of us are going to get the wrong answer. But just try to incorporate empathy into your life going forwards, because there's a lot of bullshit and horror and hate and pain happening in the world today, and we are all trying to do what we think is best and most efficient to do the right thing. And we need to, at least, learn from this event and be better.
asudox 36 points 3 months ago
man we need a new fediverse lore community to archive these moments.
edit: anyone down to create one? I am willing to help moderate it. for reference, I meant this closed down comm we had for such moments: !fediverselore@lemmy.ca
UpperBroccoli 36 points 3 months ago
ONE wrong-way driver? Everyone except me is a wrong-way drivers!
-- AdmiralPatrick, probably
Seriously though, when absolutely everyone thinks you did something stupid, there may be something to it. Food for thought.
pelespirit 36 points 3 months ago
I'm having a hard time understanding the person behind this account. They called everyone names and continue to do that, but everyone else is toxic. I'm hoping this is a satire account, but I might be giving them too much credit. This one is really funny, satire or not.
I’m one person and have held my fucking ground, mostly with dignity and grace, in the heat of my own shitstorm of trying to disaccociate from the extremist elements of the fediverse. If I can stand up for what’s right and deal with the blowback, so can you.
WalrusDragonOnABike 43 points 3 months ago
They called everyone names and continue to do that, but everyone else is toxic.
Seems like typically narcissist abuser behavior. They don't care if they're total hypocrites.
pelespirit 27 points 3 months ago
It does have that vibe. They used to post stuff to get people riled up. I had a discussion about not removing one of their posts because it was homophobic. I'm glad I didn't cave and that's probably why I'm on the list, lol.
Grail 4 points 3 months ago
That's a thought destroying phrase "oh, this person has bad-person-ness, so that explains the fact that they're a bad person".
Maybe narcissism isn't this magic quality that turns people bad for no reason. Maybe effects have causes, and bad behaviour can be understood.
WalrusDragonOnABike 3 points 3 months ago
I agree that with you that in theory its good to consider the broader context that leads to such behaviors. We should strive for a society that doesn't traumatize children in all the ways the current one does. I certainly don't think people are just created that way, but a lot of people end up with a certain cluster of behavioral patterns. What seems like unhinged behavior seems to be a lot of island of stability so-to-speak that a lot of people unfortunately land on.
But that doesn't mean that you should either ignore or tolerate people making the world worse or getting in the way of people who want it to be better. I have a lot of empathy for Musk, for example. Yet I'd still celebrate if he took a one-way trip to Titanic.
Grail 0 points 3 months ago
We used the word "retard" to mean slow for a long long time. But when it became a psychological diagnosis, the colloquial usage shot way up. Maybe some of the people calling others "r*tards" were speaking French, but I think the majority were inspired by hatred. So, the people who care about these things did two things: we changed the name of the diagnosis, and we stopped using the word. People don't use that word nearly as much anymore.
I think a similar thing is going on with that word you used. "N*rcissist". It had a somewhat valid use in the 1800s for a while, but it pretty quickly became about a psychiatric disorder. In the modern day, the majority using the word are inspired by hate. I don't think most people using it are hateful, but I think they got the idea from hateful people. NPD is really stigmatised, and I think the people who care about these things should do two things: we should change the name of the diagnosis, and we should stop using the word.
RustyShackleford 29 points 3 months ago
He has an inability to take responsibility for his decisions when caught trying to control others, so he talks down to everyone else.
His remark about disassociating, is a major characteristic of all dissociative phenomena involving a detachment from reality, which we are seeing above. He’s hinting that he’s still subconsciously aware of his mistake and is simply furious that he slipped up. I wouldn’t be surprised if he eventually decides to return.
RustyShackleford 9 points 2 months ago
Are the account names known? It makes sense that he would be trolling; it fits his profile.
SnotFlickerman 21 points 3 months ago
Sounds like they... couldn't deal with the blowback. Sounds like they didn't hold their ground, they were lying and duplicitous. What a fucking maroon.
DaniNatrix 35 points 3 months ago
Weaponzing therapy speak, so hot right now.
CultLeader4Hire 35 points 3 months ago
Sounds like a monologuing narcissist
sp3ctr4l 35 points 3 months ago
Oh... dear dear dear.
Nobody ... directed harrasment against this whiney and censorious adult pissbaby.
It was spontaneous.
db0 themself could have specifically messaged me, telling me something like 'please remain civil in this trying time' and i would have replied 'lol' and trolled this fucking idiot on his own boards, that he remembered to only secretly shadowban me from, but not actually ban me from... anyway.
... is Admiral Patrick Star familiar with the phrase 'become ungovernable'?
Your idiot rules have no power over me, in this place.
I obey only rules I find reasonable.
... Also, how is a total retreat and defeat... not... giving us all the personal satisfaction of having won?
That... makes 0 sense.
He also admits this has taken away considerable attention from his IRL responsibilities.
Actual flawless victory, lemmy, truly: bravo.
Did....does he realize that he could have just made his own instance, and just not federated with the instances he doesn't like?
I... how... did he read the documentation... on lemmy? Does he know how lemmy works?
I will never comprehend the sheer arrogance.
Just incredible.
orbituary 32 points 3 months ago
.world was on the precipice of doing the right thing and disaccociating themselves from that psychotic shit show, but silently dropped the issue and carried on as usual after wringing their hands for maybe two weeks.
Wow. So fucking disconnected.
dasrael 32 points 3 months ago
Buddy has an inflated sense of self and doesn't seem to understand the fundamental concept of the fediverse... Don't like the community, go make your own with all the strippers and coke you want... What a knob..
TheStaffmaster 31 points 3 months ago
He failed to realize that people who are here aren't free speech absolutists, we just want to be able to speak our mind without having draconian moderation or Corporate A.I. freaking out because we used some no-no-words like we're in some kind of internet preschool.
HazardousBanjo 31 points 3 months ago
I'm willing to bet good money this narcissistic dipshit is still lurking on here and is gonna be perpetually hate following the community.
FluorideMind 29 points 3 months ago
I barely read anything in this. But it struck me odd someone forcing a hidden ban list on strangers, is calling others sociopaths.
DragonTypeWyvern 27 points 2 months ago
Lol, what a little bitch who definitely lost.
Salamanderwizard 26 points 2 months ago
I joined Lemmy cause Reddit kept banning me for saying Nazi should be met with a punch.
Not gonna lie. A lot of you are great. Some of you are up your own assholes and think it smells like flowers, some of you are way to sensitive, some of you are nutjobs.
But yall are okay for most part. I just wish I knew what the fuck yall were taking about most of the time. All this shit is confusing to me.
explodicle 26 points 3 months ago
From now on, I'm going to blame everything bad that happens to Lemmy on the departure of AdmiralPatrick.
HazardousBanjo 25 points 3 months ago
All of it instigated and eggged on by another instance's top admin.
*egged
This is unacceptable for all of the reasons in the world,
Was this written by a fucking toddler?
and while I won't give you the personal satisfaction of having won,
My dude, you bitching and having a public crash out is giving exactly that. We knew you lacked any and all self awareness, but gawd datum.
you've definitely proven me wrong about the fediverse being something that even can be saved from itself.
Hey dipshit.
The entire appeal of the fediverse is a realm of the internet free from corporate autocracy, government censorship, and the massive wave of anti free speech that has hit the internet like never before. You tried to use software various communities relied on to censor speech you didn't personally approve of.
Maybe you should have actually paid--the fuck--attention to what you were developing for. This is just an insane self own.
Larry 25 points 3 months ago
He could have started an instance and moderated it as he saw fit but no, he wanted to underhandedly silence hundreds and thought people would thank him for it.
He also could have just blocked people, communities, and instances he didn't like on his own account..
inb4_FoundTheVegan 24 points 2 months ago
If I can stand up for what's right and deal with the blowback, so can you.
Like many of the rational people before me who called this place home, I'm done with this place.
db0 24 points 3 months ago
Hey @Kirk@startrek.website why don't you defend this one too
Ilovethebomb 24 points 3 months ago
What a whiny fucking tool. I'm glad I made their stupid list.
SailorFuzz 12 points 3 months ago
top 100 baby!
w33n1s 23 points 2 months ago
I just got here a couple days ago because Reddit makes me log in to browse and I'm not cool with that. And... holy shit. I don't know what this has been about but that guy needs to go outside. You all need to go outside. I need to go outside too. Ultimately, I'm disappointed because I guess I have no place to go after reddit.
the_riviera_kid 23 points 3 months ago
It's not a fucking airport, there is no need to announce your departure.
Bye Felicia.
ohulancutash 23 points 3 months ago
The German people aren’t worth saving after all.
(Some loser in a bunker, 1945)
The fediverse isn’t worth saving after all.
(Some loser in a basement, 2026)
TemplaerDude 23 points 3 months ago
“Held his ground” on being a fucking clown
DanceMomsSavedMe 22 points 3 months ago
So I've followed a little bit of this but one thing I don't get is why does he hate dbzer0 so badly?
Did I miss some lore?
lIlIlIlIlIlIl 21 points 3 months ago
dignity and grace
Ok we’re done here homie’s eating his own turds calling them brownies
tired_n_bored 21 points 3 months ago
What an hypocrite.
Bye bye you won't be missed. In the meantime try to become an adult, you seem like a teenager
Tattorack 21 points 3 months ago
The self importance of this guy to think that something needs to be saved from itself, and he's the one to do it. I've only seen this sort of behaviour from religious types.
Blocking and defederation exists, but this guy thinks he knows better than anyone and thinks it's justifiable to lie about it.
Anyway; closing comments:
Nothing of value has been lost. I'll never remember this guy's name, and only this situation as a joke.
Master 20 points 3 months ago
I wasn't on the list afaik but this guy was bad for the fediverse and its not a big loss to have them go. The last thing lemmy needs is another bad actor writing software that is being used by the community.
Good riddance.
Fuckfuckmyfuckingass 19 points 3 months ago
Hope the door hits you on the way out!
tanisnikana 19 points 3 months ago
Man, I just post good photography and advocate for billionaires and fascists to resign from life.
I’m just a turtle.
w3ird_sloth 19 points 3 months ago
Dudes got me thinking about those piefed vote quotas.
TheLastOfHisName 18 points 3 months ago path: 0 24973667, hotness: undefined, score: 18, children: 1
green_goglin 17 points 3 months ago
Peak fragility
thethunderwolf 16 points 3 months ago
very happy and proud to be on the instance this guy hates
i wish i were on the blocklist tho
Rentlar 16 points 3 months ago
It's too bad that this had to be a big drama, but:
No one is talking about the Piefed vote quotas anymore, so you're welcome.
More than once I brought this up as comparison on the difference between an unpopular default based on the main developer's needs, that was announced and detailed in changelogs, that can be toggled and worked around, instead of a control-freak's grudges manifesting as a hidden shadowban list. We lost a very friendly power user (PugJesus) from the Piefed change, but unfortunately sometimes that is the price of it.
Wanting a less-toxic fediverse is a totally normal thing, users and admins have many of the tools already for that, and I respect devs for trying to do their part. But it is the dishonest way of implementing it that no one is a fan of, and that makes everyone question this dev's character. If this person could at the very least own up to it, call it well-intentioned error, and respond to the problem with solutions rather than a crashout, then this wouldn't need to be as big of a deal.
harassing-anyone-who-doesn't-fall-in-line
Lemmy is bandwagony but in politics you have to live with a little bit of it. I've said anti- and pro-feminist stuff, made anti- and pro-trans arguments while trying to be empathetic as I can, made cold, warm and hot takes, toed the line and went against the grain, got lots of up and down votes. I try to pushback against gatekeeping and purity tests, play devil's advocate, and when I'm not shitposting, try to steelman arguments I don't agree with. People are imperfect, I try to avoid to assign guilt by association, people will think differently about things than I do, I respect their opinions while still disagree with, and I'll take downvotes on the chin for defending different that.
Trampampoline 16 points 3 months ago
death threats
Oh honey. We threaten republicans every day. It's like saying 'bless your heart' down South.
some_designer_dude 15 points 3 months ago
The fuck is this drama even about? Is everyone involved like 13 years old?
Grimy 40 points 3 months ago
Well, you are involved.
Admiral Patrick, dev of tesseract and admin of Startrek.website, made a shadowban list and slipped it into his front end. Instead of using modding tools like an adult, he decided to block people and communities through his app, which he was distributing and sharing with users and other instances (it's a front end you can add for your instance website). The list was hidden and only loaded from his website at the start, it caused a bug for db0 and they traced it back.
The list was of course at his sole discretion and involves personal vendettas, leftist comms, LGBTQ comms, small news comms and a mixed bag of random ones.
The list also includes you. So a bunch of users weren't seeing any of your posts or comments show up, and were never informed or given a choice about it.
List: https://copyparty.adrian.place/u/?doc=policy.json
First post on the subject: https://lemmy.world/post/49778353
some_designer_dude 18 points 3 months ago
Oh, sweet. Thanks for the breakdown. Cool that I made his list I guess? Or is this like an Epstein list and most are actually horrible people? Do I need to grow at all as a person, is what I’m asking.
TrickDacy 15 points 3 months ago
What I find so weird about his list is how random it was. To hear him tell it you cannot be on the list without being super toxic and calling for violence but I don't believe that. You just had to disagree with him afaik
pleb_maximus 2 points 3 months ago
you cannot be on the list without being super toxic and calling for violence
You just had to disagree with him
Same thing as far as he is concerned.
WalrusDragonOnABike 12 points 3 months ago
Congrats on making the list. It means you annoyed the guy in some way. So probably cool.
TowardsTheFuture 11 points 3 months ago
If you think corporations deserve empathy and that gay people are the devil then it is bad to be on the list I guess? But like idk man sounds like a list I'd rather be on than not.
ohulancutash 2 points 3 months ago
Most on the Epstein list had no relationship with him. Literally just a list of anyone who turned up in the FBI’s paperwork on the case, including people he mentioned in emails, or people who emailed him may have mentioned, or someone he saw on TV, or whatever. Jon Stewart is on the Epstein list.
breezeblock 17 points 3 months ago
The list also includes you.
I’m dying of laughter.
I’m also very sad I wasn’t included.
SailorFuzz 15 points 3 months ago
Well, you are involved.
The list also includes you.
This is the crux of the problem. So many people are on the list and didn't know, or didn't know what the list does, didn't know what was being hidden or that they were being hidden. And AdmiralPatrick was counting on that. He was counting on people being ignorant to his shady bullshit. As long as people didn't know it was fine, to him. If he truly thought it was a good idea, then he wouldn't have tried to hide it and been sneaky about it.
whoisearth 8 points 3 months ago
First I'm learning he's an admin on startrek.website
Man if he truly is a fan of Star Trek he should really be hanging his head in shame. He's not representing the morals the show espoused for decades. Hell, Kirk would have bitch slapped his ass which is hilarious given him using the moniker online.
Fucking pussy is delulu
Malyca 5 points 3 months ago
Remember those right wingers that thought rage against the machine just now got political, or those right wingers that didn't know fight club was making fun of them, the list goes on and on, it's like that.
AlligatorBlizzard 7 points 3 months ago
admin of Startrek.website
Wait, is this the guy Stamets had a problem with a few years ago?
lime 22 points 3 months ago
he built a lemmy frontend that silently fetches a list of people and communities the creator doesn't like from a server and just... erases them from the ui. people were upset that there was basically a hit list for them compiled for no apparent reason, and when pressed about why he thought anyone would think this was a good idea the dev just left.
WalrusDragonOnABike 14 points 3 months ago
Patrick hates people like Luigi and secretly has been shadowbanning people, communities, etc who celebrate celebrate actions such as Luigi's. People realized it was happening and got mad they weren't on the list.
curbstickle 9 points 3 months ago
Dev of a Lemmy frontend made a block list, as well as a triple super secret download at runtime (base64 encoded then decoded at run).
db0, admin of dbzer0, noticed the original block list and forked as well as posted about what was found. Others found the super secret download.
ptz (aka... A whole bunch of alts, someone else can list) got mad about people finding out then claimed it was a harassment campaign because... db0 found the dirty list.
Followed by a whole bunch of posts and then this "final" crashout.
BrickEater 15 points 3 months ago
INB4 the inevitable Alt accounts spewing the same stupid shit from them as AP.
SwissArmyKazoo 15 points 2 months ago
I joined Lemmy because Reddit got my IP Address banned over things I didn't even say or do. They won't even let me appeal it or listen to my verdict.
This place is much more comforting and chill than these hideout for basement dwellers with an IQ of 3.
You are all truly Generous and well informed members of society and I'm truly honored to be a user here.
psycotica0 15 points 3 months ago
I don't know who the non-psychotic person is he'll think about from time to time, but I have to assume it's Violet 😉😛
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S 15 points 3 months ago
Over the course of the last several days, I have received a constant stream of harassing messages, death threats, and threats of doxxing
If you actually got death threats and threats of doxxing, that truly sucks and shame on people who took this that seriously.
Even people around here I'd interacted with positively for years and had grown to respect because they seemed level headed and above the immature and sociopathic bullshit that dominates this platform showed their true selves.
Or maybe you were just wrong, dude.
Like you developed a frontend. If you just blocked people from your instance we wouldn't have batted an eye. Your job as a frontend developer was to choose how information was packaged. You should not have been deciding for users who they would or would not be allowed to see. And if you really felt strongly about the need for a blacklist, you should have made your filters opt-in.
Then you have entire instances whose admins call for the death of others, harass other users
Yeah it's crazy how liberals call for the deaths of billions around the world by supporting the status quo, which kills countless people and is currently dooming almost all life on Earth to climate disaster. That's why I'm on Anarchist Nexus, whose admins and users (me lol) have called for the killing to stop by any means necessary. (Pretty sure Admiral Patrick is referring to us specifically as the instance-that-will-not-be-named.)
I know that liberalism is the monoculture in the West, but you must eventually learn that (1) liberalism is not the default mode of existence, and (2) liberalism is violence. Liberal democracy is violence. It's probably the most violent system currently in existence. And I don't know how to make that an easy lesson for you to learn, I understand that it's a challenge...but if you're unwilling to do the work to undo your liberalism, the rest of the world does not have the time to wait for you.
One day you, too, will do or say something that doesn't toe the line and you'll be right where I am.
Good, if I ever become as libbed up as you then I deserve to get banned.
You crazies won and proved me wrong. The fediverse isn't worth saving after all.
Bye
Hell yeah we're fucking crazy, and I wouldn't want it any other way 
yucandu 1 point 3 months ago
I know that liberalism is the monoculture in the West, but you must eventually learn that (1) liberalism is not the default mode of existence,
Which countries aren't 'liberal' or some degree of brutal authoritarian dictatorship?
PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S 5 points 3 months ago
By "liberalism is not the default mode of existence," I meant to reject liberalism's tendency to label its constructions as "natural", "inevitable", or "universal". E.g., private property is not natural (even territorial animals cannot establish property lines like we do), not inevitable, and not universal (because it is a specifically Western liberal concept). Capitalism is not natural (c.f. Kropotkin's Mutual Aid: A Factor of Evolution), inevitable, or universal (e.g. various hunter-gatherer societies).
I am absolutely not denying liberalism's ubiquity in modern times. Quite the opposite: liberalism is ubiquitous in Western society and societies that interface with Westerners, hence why I am so eager to combat it!
BrainInABox 1 point 3 months ago
The socialist ones
yucandu 0 points 3 months ago
It's funny that you complain about liberalism so much when you sound exactly like the kind of fart-sniffing liberal who loves to spew out incomprehensible word salad without being able to actually precisely parse out what any single sentence means. You're the left wing version of Jordan Peterson. 
FluidBeef 13 points 3 months ago
The streets are extended gutters and the gutters are full of blood and when the drains finally scab over, all the vermin will drown. The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the whores and politicians will look up and shout 'SAVE US!'...and I'll look down and whisper 'No.‘
Resonosity 13 points 3 months ago
"We have to worry about the optics or the politics of it." they probably said.
Yeah because it's definitely a sign of a healthy mind to wish-quote an opinion of the group whose side you're apparently on.
Anyone that manipulates the visibility and interaction of users with the Fediverse can go fuck off in my book. We lost nothing in this process.
Honestly this whole post gives soy boy energy.
Beebabe 13 points 3 months ago
First, lol. Nobody asked this person to be their personal savior. What a galactic ego. Good thing by reading this rant you can tell he learned absolutely nothing.
Also, I think this is a great example of someone confidently misappropriating therapy speak in only the way a certified narcissist can. Probably.
Someonelol 12 points 3 months ago
The sheer ego and audacity of this bitch. Good riddance.
raspberriesareyummy 12 points 3 months ago
I think this is just actual mental illness. The guy needs professional therapy, not an internet account.
godsammitdam 12 points 2 months ago path: 0 24994211, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 2
DandomRude 11 points 3 months ago
That reads exactly like this absurd video message from a power trippin reddit mod after he was removed for promoting a scam.
It’s just as completely out of touch with reality that you almost have to feel sorry for guys like that, because it’s obviously pathological.
On the other hand, though, people like that are a threat to others—in this case an immediate threat for freedom of expression and open discourse, the cornerstones of the Fediverse.
ChicoSuave 10 points 3 months ago
If I can stand up for what's right and deal with the blowback, so can you.
Narrator: he didnt
ZILtoid1991 10 points 3 months ago
Open source developer downfall speedrun, 100%.
THE_GR8_MIKE 9 points 3 months ago
Lmao what a moron.
Tollana1234567 9 points 2 months ago
so is tesserect transphobic or a tankie, im not up on this drama?
shittydwarf 9 points 3 months ago
Bye weirdo
lIlIlIlIlIlIl 8 points 3 months ago
Skill issue
NastyNative 8 points 3 months ago
Say what you will about SeamanPatrick, but there's no denying it made Lemmy far more active. The influx of memes and posts is exactly the kind of engagement the platform needs. Also, I'm a little disappointed I didn't make the list. 😄
Itdidnttrickledown 8 points 2 months ago
So this is the dipshit? Sounds like I expected.
UltraGiGaGigantic 7 points 3 months ago
Fucking embarrassing!
Time to make a new user name, and join a new iinstance. Consider blocking people you dont want to see, and leave other people to manage their own blocking list.
spicehoarder 7 points 3 months ago
FYI, while all this was happening, we've been having fun in .zip playing the button season 4
But I guess it's too political or whatever.
MangoPenguin 6 points 3 months ago
The blocklist was crazy but I don't think anyone should be receiving death threats, that part is frustrating.
Grail 6 points 3 months ago
Look, I don't always agree with dbzer0 and the flotilla. I think they're a bunch of purity testing wangrods sometimes, and they were even taking time out of their day to libel Piefed for no reason during the original Tesseract callout.
But I don't believe that these "death threats" are a serious problem, seriously connected to db0. I think this death threat thing is made up. It's awful convenient how if you're being boycotted or ridiculed for your beliefs and values, you can just make a post about some death threats and get sympathy. And it ain't DARVO when you got no history of abusing the other person before calling out their politics.
XLE 5 points 3 months ago
Can somebody explain who this person is and what they're complaining about, because all I can gather is db0 is involved
EmilieEasie 5 points 3 months ago
I need to come back to read this later
BeardededSquidward 5 points 3 months ago
That thump is the door hitting you on the ass on the way out fascist. Fucking neo-liberals lack introspection.
whoisearth 5 points 3 months ago
Such an absolute pussy.
hirihit640 5 points 3 months ago
Probably adding fuel to the fire here, but what do people here think about the censored word list baked into the Lemmy platform code. I haven't followed the situation for a while but I remember there being one.
thethunderwolf 4 points 3 months ago
link to page is not gone
(although noscript means that i can read it without ddosing dbzer0)
Paulemeister 4 points 2 months ago
Does anyone understand why the DDOS script is written so weirdly? (100 -1 +1)? Why fetch multiple times per iteration?
PurpleClouds 4 points 3 months ago
Wtf is this about?!
selokichtli 4 points 3 months ago
Cry me a river. Try an ML account.
saltesc 4 points 3 months ago
They're not wrong.
But you don't force your will on others and try to control them and the things they share.
The Fediverse is pretty shit a lot of the time because it does attract a lot of life's leftovers, but we have our own block methods. It's unlikely to grow because of all the egoism and extremism of these losers, but that's for its natural path and it's a fun experiment in the meantime.
victorz 4 points 3 months ago
Over the course of the last several days, have receiveda constant stream of harassing messages, death threats, and threats of doxxing over DM, Matrix, Github, and Codeberg. All of it instigated and eggged on by another instance's top admin. This is unacceptable for all of the reasons in the world,
I mean, Jesus Christ. I have no choice but to agree with this first part of the manifesto. The people who did those things should be ashamed of themselves.
Just stop using Tesseract. That's all you needed to do. Just stop using it.
Death threats? Over an open source fediverse frontend? Pathetic. Assuming it's true, of course. Shame!
DarkCloud 4 points 3 months ago
Wait, wasn't Tesseract a front end for mods to ignore problem users?
I'm on the list and I just assumed it was a "users who can be extra work to deal with"... type list.
But yeah, big reacts are never that great... And I can understand someone feeling targeted by online outrage.
yoru77 4 points 3 months ago
I don't think constant stream of harassing messages should happened, and why they could tell everybody earlier: "Hey! We are doing the blacklist, if you wanna disable it then go ahead, but XYZ(response why they did the blacklist)" like...
IndustryStandard 3 points 3 months ago
He was fearing for his life truly the most oppressed lemming.
DamienGramatacus 3 points 3 months ago
What a loser
breadsmasher 3 points 3 months ago
dont let the door hit you on the way out 🤡
diaphragmwp 3 points 3 months ago
Fuck you for making people load g**gle tho
AWistfulNihilist 3 points 3 months ago
Wow, what a loser. I wish every cringy, small-minded, thin-skinned, emotional child made it this easy to pick them out.
lastlybutfirstly 2 points 3 months ago
He's not wrong about the violent rhetoric on the Fediverse. There is definitely a team of FBI agents working 24/7 to monitor this social media network. When someone around here finally does something crazy, the news is going make the Fediverse out to be worse than 4Chan.
Hueristic_Autistic 2 points 3 months ago
That crab syncs with https://open.spotify.com/...
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 3 months ago
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1984 1 point 3 months ago
This is what happens when people take things too seriously. If you feel this strong about Lemmy, I really suggest you stop using it and go outside, go to the gym, meet friends in real life.
I dont like everything about this place either. But its just a meme site. I'm not on this earth to sit and care about what devs or instance admins obsess about. I bet a lot of these tech people are unstable in their heads anyway.
Nomad 1 point 3 months ago
Got banned from db0 Europe sub because I advocated for a mental health break for elon musk instead of killing him. Reported the comment that called for the murder and the modlog said "tone policing" x)
Earned the instance a ban from my client. Some people are not worth saving indeed. I still think the admiral was on to something, he just didn't choose the right way to do it.
Lemmy has always had an extremism problem and we need to sort out instances that advocate for violence by tolerating it.
shirasho 1 point 3 months ago
The goal was great, but you were going backwards. Just because you had a good goal doesn't mean you were walking the right path to get there. There definitely needed to be some self reflection here, both from the guy that though putting a DDoS into the software was in any way a good way to prove you stood on the moral high ground and from the communities that thought death threats were the appropriate response to this situation.
unemployedclaquer 1 point 3 months ago
Can I forward this to my lady neighbor who is stupid and being gentle with her dogs
Actually now she is still yelling, just not at the dogs
TanteRegenbogen 0 points 3 months ago
While he did absolutely dumb shit and is wrong about the Fediverse (what many Reddit refugees fail to understand is that the Fediverse doesn't just consist of Lemmy, mbin/kbin and piefed, but a lot more such as mastodon, misskey, pixedfed, peertube and so on), a lot of people from dbzer0 and .ml did act like asses and did more than just criticize Admiral Patrick. However he did totally overreact to criticism and both sides kept escalating.
someone -4 points 3 months ago
death threats and doxxing really go against the spirit of open source software, which is people are allowed to code what they want, they post the code, and we can all see it. someone also could have easily forked this if they were that unhappy.
i was on the list and my first reaction was "why the fuck am i on this list?" but i also found it somewhat funny and also concerning. am i really that bad?
but why the threats? this guy deserves an apology, despite the list being strange.
istdaslol -7 points 3 months ago
It’s something weird that if someone does something wrong on the internet it seems everyone else gets a free pass to harass them. Just have him have them have their little crash out in peace. I know their past days weren’t fun and now just to keep clowning on them doesn’t make one better than them.
OctopusNemeses -8 points 3 months ago
There's nothing the internet loves more than a big spectacle. You're all proving his point.
cardboardcruncher6400 -21 points 2 months ago
Fucking based guy speaking the truth, and just look at all you guys and OP himself proving the guy's fucking point tenfold lmfaooo, feel free to go through my post history for a refresher of how pathetic and childish you guys act whenever you disagree, group of winners desperate to find something to hate on together 24/7 (see the front page everyday) who are also utterly incapable of arguing like mature adults when you're called out for doing this / when you have your points refuted and you're not sure how to respond LOL
This place is like a hub for this so he's right for abandoning it and letting it be a void of nothing else, respect to him for holding true to his values and not giving in to the crazies here, then again to be fair it's kinda too absurd to take serious most of the time lmao
thanks for using Leebra!
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