Quietly sitting on the Trump front and instead attacking democratic socialists

4 days ago by VetOfTheSeas to c/politicalmemes

Insekticus 172 points 4 days ago

It really goes to show how both parties have been captured by corporate and religious interests, and everyone's on the take and making bank on insider trading.

Nearly the entire system is rotten, bar a few who seem to still be holding on to do good for the people (AOC, Bernie, Mamdani, El-Sayed, Tallarico, etc).

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earlgrey0 50 points 4 days ago

Well it does feel like this cycle, more and more of the good folks are winning and showing what government can do for people. Here’s to hoping that they keep winning and take over.

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Instigate 20 points 4 days ago

It’s going to be a question of momentum: will those on the left of the party keep pushing back against corporate interests and organising at a grassroots level. I sincerely hope that the momentum grows, but the power of the money being used against them is a pretty terrible beast. It’s definitely an interesting crossroads at the very least.

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ceenote 24 points 4 days ago

"Get money out of politics" is only going to increase in popularity until there's some action. My concern is that a faux-populist democrat will become president, pass some empty reforms, declare victory, and then we'll be back here again in 15-20 years, when our democracy might be even weaker. OR that Republicans will end democracy before anything can happen.

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kingofras -3 points 4 days ago

Unpopular opinion: AOC, Bernie and Mamdani are at this point preventing a revolution the US so badly needs. As long as there’s a possible progressive win of the Democratic Party, people will live in the delusion that this regime can be uninstalled via democratic processes.

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dreamkeeper 3 points 4 days ago

AOC can and Bernie are holding us back from revolution? You are under the extreme delusion that Americans are anywhere near being ready to revolt. They are not and won't be until they're unemployed and starving just like almost every other country that revolts against its government.

You need to get the off the Internet and the mods need to start banning accounts that call for violence. If you think that civil war will make things better you are completely detached from reality.

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kingofras 5 points 4 days ago

Yes, let’s ban dissenting voices. The orange man would love you for it.

You’re correct on the revolution needing hunger, but that may be closer than you think.

Even if I were to call for violence, and I’m not, what would it make for a difference if your theory is correct? And what good is sitting idly by and vote if the other side is using serious violence every day?

I don’t mind you having an opinion opposing to mine, I mind you calling for mods becoming thought police, as if we don’t already have enough power tripping mods around.

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architect 2 points 4 days ago

I think they would if they had a leader to say, hey… enough is enough the government is filled with fucking pedophiles!

But we don’t have that leader. So now it’s sticking your neck out to get shot by ice and democrats won’t even defend your dead ass when it happens.

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ayyy 3 points 4 days ago

A revolution still needs leaders.

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Wakmrow 1 point 2 days ago

I'll follow ms rachel not those

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brachiosaurus -3 points 4 days ago

Nearly the entire system is rotten, bar a few who seem to still be holding on to do good for the people (AOC, Bernie, Mamdani, El-Sayed, Tallarico, etc).

who seem to still be holding on to do good but aren't actually much as they keep using and endorsing the private social network of a nazi where this post is also taken from. Downvote X reposts and don't share them or the rotten system it's on you too.

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jimmy90 -5 points 3 days ago

nonsense the dems are hard at work getting power back in the midterms

it is you with your both side crap that is feeding the apathy that might save this admninistration in november

same as the last election. useless commie nonsense. the DSA is even worse with their unelectable policies

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SarahValentine -14 points 4 days ago

El-Sayed has a nasty little clinger-on he needs to get rid of, but then he'll be set.

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kuiskaaja 9 points 4 days ago

do you not question the fact that your talking point is directly from fox news?

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SarahValentine -13 points 4 days ago

Hey quick counterquestion: How many people died in Tiananmen Square on June 4th 1989?

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kuiskaaja 10 points 4 days ago

so the answer is no i guess

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Nonconfrontational -6 points 4 days ago

Very few, if any. Are you talking about the surrounding area where protestors murdered dozens of soldiers and police and then the soldiers finally started fighting back?

Are you parroting long debunked anti China propaganda designed to make you hate and distrust Chinese people? The propaganda that came from the billionaire pedophile rapist country??

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banter6888 -41 points 4 days ago

AOC? Nah, she's been made to heel to Nancy's and Hakeem's wishes. Buckled at pretty much the first opportunity too. Still says some nice things, but she's useless as a challenge to the status quo. Made a useful tool of the establishment.

Bernie? Well, he tucked tail and quit fighting after the party establishment colluded and sabotaged his campaigns. 2020 was especially egregious, and he still agreed to back Biden. Again, says the right things at times, but far less a real challenge to the status quo now than he ever was.

The others you mentioned? Mamdani can be a good pragmatic example, wish him the best, but he's limited to the Senate at the federal level if he aspires to higher office. El-Sayed, too early to tell. Talarico, I assume you mean? Tough row to hoe for a few months, probably a long shot, but he's been a democrat for years. That party is really irredeemable.

I wish I knew the real solution to this electoral mess. I keep hoping for a really hard charging third party challenge that can bridge the divide. May wait my entire life at this point.

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isleepinahammock 1 point 4 days ago

Mamdani can be a good pragmatic example, wish him the best, but he’s limited to the Senate at the federal level if he aspires to higher office.

Mamdani could still be the president. The Constitutional requirements for being president are pretty weak and easily bypassed. You can have someone else officially run, and they run on the platform, "I'm going to hold the pen and do whatever this guy tells me to." You select someone who would have no political legitimacy on their own, so they're completely dependent on the real power behind the throne. If Trump decides to run in 2028, this will be the mechanism he uses. But Mamdani or Obama could use the same mechanism if they wish.

The Constitutional limits on presidential eligibility are pretty trivial to bypass.

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dreamkeeper 2 points 4 days ago

This is ridiculous and clearly against the intent of the constitution. I do hope scotus rules against this though I'm not confident they will with trump.

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isleepinahammock 0 points 4 days ago

There is precedent and it's been done before. The most famous case was arch-segregationist George Wallace. He had his wife run as Alabama governor to bypass Alabama's constitutional term limits.

There's really no way to prevent this Constitutionally. A core principle of democracy is that voters can elect someone who promises to follow any style of leadership they want. There are limits on what power the leaders have, but they can make their choices however they want. You could run for president promising to make all your decisions by literally pulling options out of a hat at random. You could run for president promising to literally never even do the job. You could tell voters you're going to take the oath of office and immediately go back to your home, close the door, and never walk out again for the next four years. Just let the government run on auto-pilot. You probably wouldn't win an election on either of those, but it would be perfectly Constitutional for someone to do either of those things. There's language in the Constitution about the President faithfully enforcing the laws, but the only enforcement mechanism is impeachment and removal.

It would be nearly impossible to even write a Constitutional amendment prohibiting this. Leaders are allowed to take advice from their advisors. They couldn't govern without advisors. In this case, the person holding the seat just has one advisor they really really trust and listen to on everything.

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P38lightning0520 -69 points 4 days ago
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doctordevice 27 points 4 days ago

Lol nice try

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P38lightning0520 -40 points 4 days ago
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lightnsfw 37 points 4 days ago

"Do I own three residences? Yeah, I do," Sanders said. He explained that he lives in Burlington, Vermont, in a "middle-class neighborhood, nice house," and owns another home in Washington, D.C., like most senators do. He also has a summer camp on Lake Champlain. "That's it," Sanders stated, noting that his homes are far from luxurious. "They're middle-class houses."

Not that hard to find the answer.

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samsamsamsam 30 points 4 days ago

Bernie’s position isn’t that people should be forbidden from owning multiple homes or that anyone who has money must give most of it away. His argument is about the rules of the system. Higher taxes on the wealthy, stronger wages, worker protections and making basics like healthcare and housing more accessible. “Why doesn’t he sell two houses and feed the homeless?” confuses charity with policy. He could sell them tomorrow and it would have virtually no effect on homelessness. If you want to criticize Bernie, criticize whether his policies would actually work. Owning three homes isn’t by itself a contradiction of what he advocates

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Rivalarrival 17 points 4 days ago

He has a home in Vermont, his primary residence. He has a home in Washington DC, where he works. He has a home on Lake Champlain, where he vacations.

The first two are necessities. The third, a small, reasonable luxury.

What answer were you hoping for?

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 13 points 4 days ago

Why does Bernie have 3 homes?

A home in his state, a home in the capital and a vacation home.

Why doesn't he sell 2 of them and donate the profits to help feed the homeless?

Because he isn't anti capitalist. He is anti unfettered capitalism.

Homelessness, poverty and hunger are symptoms of the problem of inequality he wants to solve. Selling his vacation home does nothing to solve that problem.

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TrickDacy 5 points 4 days ago

Conservatives are evil and not welcome here.

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liuther9 1 point 4 days ago

Now sum up them in value

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architect 1 point 4 days ago

So do I and I’m not rich.

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athatet 14 points 4 days ago

Three day old account. Perhaps this is not the place you belong. Might wanna find a different social media to infect.

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Funkt4st1c 13 points 4 days ago

He can have a dozen homes and triple the cars; if hes still genuinely fighting for peoples rights and begging to tax the wealthy, im all for him.

Its not hypocritical for a US senator to have three homes. It is incredibly evil to vote against what is best for your constituents, which is what most other senators seem to be doing.

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the_q 10 points 4 days ago

Another piece of shit to block!

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pivot_root 8 points 4 days ago

I'm seeing a lot of words, so that begs the question: what have you done to support socialist policy in your national government?

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stretch2m 63 points 4 days ago

I begged my congressman to support articles of impeachment. His response was basically that they don't have the votes, so why bother? He even said that if they did, it would be performative and would play into persecution rhetoric for Trump.

So that's where we are now. The only people with the political power to oust a tyrant have thrown in the towel.

I tried to reason with him that it matters. Even if they don't have the votes to convict. Impeach him once a week of you have to. Persecute the motherfucker!

But no, I guess re-election to Congress is more important.

Fucking joke.

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Almacca 33 points 4 days ago

I tried to reason with him that it matters. Even if they don’t have the votes to convict. Impeach him once a week of you have to. Persecute the motherfucker!

100% agree. Performative it may be, but doing it every single time he does something to warrant it, which is daily at this point, at least sends a message that this shit is unacceptable. Doing nothing is tacitly agreeing with it. It's baffling.

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skisnow 25 points 4 days ago

would play into persecution rhetoric for Trump.

The whole fucking point of him doing the persecution rhetoric is to stop people attacking him, and they've played right into his hands.

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OwOarchist 15 points 4 days ago

And look at the vote for releasing the Epstein files! Obviously, they 'didn't have the votes' for that, either ... but once they tried, even a bunch of Republicans were on board.

At least fucking try.

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grue 13 points 4 days ago

Persecute Prosecute the motherfucker!

FTFY. It's only "persecute" if it's unjust.

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Polisheocket 9 points 4 days ago

It’s why democrats lose as much as they do, they don’t seize opportunities

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Tollana1234567 3 points 3 days ago

a bunch of them are DINOs so i wouldnt call them capable of seizing, they secretely want this to happen, the tax cuts from 2017, no dems tried repeal that at all, or made it thier promise. they benefit from it.

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dreamkeeper 2 points 4 days ago

This kind of Dem is such a fucking pussy. Literally more worried about offending constiutents who would never vote for them in the first place.

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brachiosaurus 1 point 4 days ago

So that’s where we are now. The only people with the political power to oust a tyrant have thrown in the towel.

If only we lived in a democracy and could give people power with our vote...

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Gold_E_Lox 2 points 4 days ago

you did? this is what you voted for?

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Malyca 52 points 4 days ago

They are complicit controlled opposition. Their only job is to keep the left out of power. That's why they're more upset about socialists than Trump, ultimately Trump is on their side and the socialists are not.

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huppakee 47 points 4 days ago

Increasingly more popular opinion: the US government takeover committed by the Trump oligarchy is as much the result of incompetence of the Democratic party as it was a plan of evil 'geniuses'.

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BlackLaZoR 11 points 4 days ago

I'd say it's entirely dems fault as they were dropping the ball consistently since years. Trump should've been an easy opponent but he ended up as president second time

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mirshafie 12 points 4 days ago

People wanted change. Trump promised change, the democrats promised more of the same.

Maybe democrats should promise change?

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BlackLaZoR 3 points 3 days ago

I think the detrimental part was avoiding any polarising subject that could alienate their core electorate. They wanted to retain it so much that they forgot about the general population. And then came Trump promising changes in areas general public had problems with. He was mostly lying, but he was lying about the right topics.

So it came down to the choice: Maybe a lying republican jackass, or total democrat apathy.

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kestrel7_7 4 points 3 days ago

Yes! IMO the 'evil geniuses' had no effect whatsoever. Trump just wins by default when the Democrats run unpopular candidates.

I've been saying this for almost ten years now. Trump is not a popular candidate and never has been. In '16 he got fewer votes than Romney did in '12. If everyone who voted for Obama had voted for Clinton, Trump never would have won. The same is true with '20 vs. '24: if everyone who voted for Biden had voted for Harris, Trump never would have won the second time.

I also don't think Biden was ever that popular; I think any of the Democratic candidates would have won in 2020. I told anyone who would listen at the time, "Biden is a bad choice, some shit could heat up in Israel, and he's very out of touch with the Democratic base on that issue, and it could prevent him from getting re-elected." I will say, I didn't think Trump would get re-elected after J6, I thought it would be some other Republican. But, it also felt like the Democrats also never really went after Trump for what he did on J6 so.

Anyway, I guess what I'm saying is I agree and I'm glad to hear other people say it. The Democrats are too willing to compromise with Republicans who never compromise with them, and it keeps losing them elections. So even though Americans as we actually exist are reasonably progressive on most issues (legalizing weed and having universal healthcare poll higher than any sitting politician, there are about 1.5x as many registered Dems as Reps in this country, etc), we're stuck with an extremely regressive government. That's the context that leads to progressives like Mamdani winning in "upset" victories and the Democratic leadership is all surprised.

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TrickDacy -2 points 4 days ago
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huppakee 1 point 4 days ago

My opinion on that is totally relevant to my opinion on this. /s

Next time we disagree, please bring a valid argument instead to discrediting because of something i said somewhere else.

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TrickDacy -3 points 4 days ago
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Frettchen -8 points 4 days ago

Yeah. There was this drunk driver that hit a kid. Stupid parents. It's just the result of incompetence of the parenting party than a result of drunk driving.

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architect 16 points 4 days ago

They lost to Donald fucking Trump. The biggest loser of all time. And they lost twice.

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groats_survivor 9 points 4 days ago

Yeah. Except the parents insisted their child play in the middle of the street at 1am and instead of condemning the drunk driver, they claim drunk driving is part of life

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huppakee 6 points 4 days ago

I dont think that is a fair comparison. Also i am not saying it is only the fault of the opposing party, i'm saying it is as much as. It is naive to think this would have been able no matter what the Democratic party did in the years/decades leading up to the first Trump presidency. Sure it is easy to talk in hindsight, I'll give them that. I'm also not saying they wanted this to happen. But if the parents of the drunk driver never gave their child a good talk on the dangers of drinking, that accident is partly theirs to blame too.

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ImgurRefugee114 39 points 4 days ago

The D's want what R's want, but they just want to make sure the paperwork is filed properly first, and will probably do it while wearing a rainbow pin.

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Akh 38 points 4 days ago

The democratic elite are in bed with Epstein

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balderdash9 1 point 3 days ago

but but but.... the lesser of two evilss!!

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hayvan 34 points 4 days ago

Because they are, for the most part, wealth class. Average citizen getting robbed or screwed over isn't a concern.

Why rock the boat and risk getting noticed in a negative way when you can do nothing and enjoy your privileged place!

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Leviathan 33 points 3 days ago

Trump helps rich people. Establishment Dems are either owned by, or terrified of rich people.

That's it. Simple.

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Tollana1234567 3 points 3 days ago

hakeeem , schumer are wealthy asf from various industries that donated to him.

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Leviathan 2 points 2 days ago

You know what the difference is between a million and a billion dollars? About a billion dollars. The kind of rich people I'm talking about make someone like Schumer look like an absolute peasant.

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culprit 33 points 3 days ago

The duopoly of 2 pro-capitalist parties must end.

The United States effectively has a one-party system, the business party, with two factions, Republicans and Democrats.

  • Noam Chomsky

Yes, we have one party here. But so does America. Except, with typical extravagance, they have two of them!

  • Julius Nyerere (first Prime Minister and President of Tanzania)

I think Americans are good, but America will be taken over and destroyed from the inside by the Zionist lobby. The Americans do not see this. They are getting decadent. Zionists will use this to destroy them.

  • Muammar al-Gaddafi
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explodicle 10 points 3 days ago

During the general election: Easy there friend, I agree with you but now is not the time. Do party building during midterms.

During midterms: Oh this is the time for a united front. Simply promote third parties between elections.

Between elections: You're taking momentum away from smaller local challengers right now.

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chiliedogg -5 points 3 days ago

The ratchet effect exists because leftists would rather bitch every general election and allow Republicans to be elected, while simultaneously not participating in the primaries.

The fascists knew the primaries were the secret, and their voters are generally loyal in November. Every member of the GOP that opposes Trump is removed in the primaries, and the party moves further right.

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explodicle 7 points 3 days ago

Are there any statistics about people who complain about nominees not participating in primaries?

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DudleyMason 3 points 3 days ago

No, but ShitLibs operate on vibes and not facts anyway. If they operated on facts, they'd notice their party has done nothing but help push the Overton Window right for damn near half a century now.

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Cyanova 5 points 3 days ago

The ratchet effect works because vast swathes of people can't perceive of any way to affect change beyond voting, thus creating a single (recurring) major choke point for going through the 'correct' channels.

If all you do is vote, you can't complain.

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Katana314 1 point 3 days ago

Vast swathes of people don’t vote though.

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Cyanova 4 points 3 days ago

That's fine, there are a great deal of more impactful and meaningful things that people can do instead of voting. My point is that if someone's sole contribution is voting, they haven't actually done anything.

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culprit 1 point 3 days ago

The problem is there is no actual choice for progressive leftism on offer. This is the whole issue. The Dems are just Capitalism with cute decorations vs the depraved capitalism of Republicans. If there were actual parties that outside this framework, they can be very successful. That's why DSA is winning. They are at least acting like another option, whether or not they will significantly change things is to be seen, but they are not centrists like most Dems try to be.

The PSL is on the right track. A disciplined socialist party will get the power to change things, or be an object lesson in the necessity of revolutionary organizing to use other means of change.

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culprit 5 points 3 days ago

Obamacare was copied directly from the Republicans, originally called Romneycare. The chance for M4A was completely squandered by the Dems at the time. Have some damn object permance like an actual adult.

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chiliedogg 1 point 3 days ago

Obamacare was broken because the Dems had a filibuster-proof majority in the senate for like 1 month at in the 2009 holidays. By the time Al Franken got to take his seat, Kennedy had stopped showing up for work, then he died, then it took time to seat his temporary replacement, then the Tea Party win their special election.

With that, the broken Senate version that was meant to be reconciled with the House version and cleaned up couldn't happen, so the House had to pass the Senate version verbatim to avoid a filibuster by the Dems.

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djsiete 1 point 3 days ago
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OccamsRazer -8 points 3 days ago

In what ways has the united states shifted right over the last 20 years? Tbh I've never understood this narrative. To me it's very very obvious that the united states has shifted left steadily for my whole life. Short term there have been rightward shifts, but the overall trend is definitely left.

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Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 5 points 3 days ago

How many changes over the last 20 years have:-

  • increased social spending

  • reduced wealth inequality

  • favored consumers over corporations

  • improved environmental protections

  • reduced health care costs

  • reduced authoritarian power

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culprit 5 points 2 days ago

It is very common for privileged liberals to barely notice the rise of fascism. This has been the problem for quite a while.

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5318008 3 points 3 days ago

You probably live in a blue area. (Most people live in a blue area.) The actual situation is that we've polarized. People around you, in the blue area, have moved left. People elsewhere, in the red areas, have moved right.

Pew Research for some graphics.

In certain ways, this has been a victory for civil liberties. Gay people from small towns can move to a place where they might have entire neighborhoods of likeminded people. Trans people from small towns can move to a place where they won't be shot on sight. Hell, someone in NYC who suddenly finds Jesus can go to a smaller town where no one will make fun of them for proselytizing AND they can hang out with likeminded people AND they get cheaper rent.

But it's also more dangerous than it has ever been to be an immigrant. Wealth inequality has been rising. Increases in wages has been vastly outpaced by increases in the cost of housing and healthcare, and combined with inflation, we're making more units of USD, sure, but we aren't able to sustain any better a quality of life. Corporate Taxes were increased for small companies, and cut for large companies.

Depending on whether you're more focused on the kinds of people living around you, or on the wide-reaching systemic changes that have been taking place, you're going to notice different things. The really really important stuff that has shifted to the right is kind of boring, so you wouldn't have seen much reporting on it.

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ShutUpWesley 28 points 4 days ago

The Democrats and Republicans are owned and controlled by the same wealthy douchebags.

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OwOarchist 13 points 4 days ago

With a high degree of overlap to the Epstein client list.

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bad1080 28 points 4 days ago

it's almost like a two party system was a bad idea

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rumba 16 points 4 days ago

It's not a two-party system. It's a one-party system disguised as a two-party system.

It's not the Democrats vs the Republicans

It's the oligarchs vs the people.

The democratic party is overflowing with oligarch sychophants.

Congress is full of people who will talk about progressive points, then vote the other way.

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2pNza 1 point 3 days ago

why no one create a third one? is it blocked somehow?

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rumba 5 points 3 days ago

Winner‑take‑all voting: whoever gets the most votes wins the entire seat. This strongly pushes voters toward two large parties because voting for a third party risks “splitting the vote.

Ballot access laws: Each state sets its own rules for getting on the ballot. Many require tens of thousands of signatures, strict deadlines, or high fees. Major parties get automatic ballot access; third parties must constantly re‑qualify.

Debate exclusion: The Commission on Presidential Debates requires a candidate to poll at 15% nationally to appear on the stage. No modern third‑party candidate has reached that threshold, so they never get mass exposure.

Campaign financing laws: Public funding rules require a party to have earned at least 5% of the vote in the previous election. Without that, they get no federal funding. Major parties have massive donor networks and PAC ecosystems.

Democrats and Republicans control state election boards, local party organizations, volunteer networks, and voter‑data operations. Third parties lack the institutional machinery needed to compete.

Strategic voting psychology: Even voters who like third‑party candidates often vote major‑party to prevent the “greater evil.” This self‑reinforcing cycle keeps third parties small.

Media coverage patterns: News outlets are all owned by the two‑parties. Polling firms often exclude third‑party candidates from surveys, which then justifies excluding them from coverage.

State-level laws Some states have “sore loser” laws, fusion‑voting bans, or rules that make it nearly impossible for third parties to maintain ballot status.

The system is designed to keep third parties at arm's length.

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GladiusB 6 points 4 days ago

Almost? Politics isn't a sporting event. Seeing them turn everything into black or white is so close minded. Most things have many shades of grey. We should have that many candidates to choose from.

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bad1080 5 points 4 days ago

i should've added an /s

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JasonDJ 3 points 4 days ago

It's a consequence of our voting system.

If two parties that have similar ideals (call it A1 and A2) enter an election with another opposing party (call it B1), benefits the opponent, because people who agree with either A1 or A2 can only vote for one.

You can end up in a position where 30% of people vote for A1, 30% for A2, and 40% for B1. Because A1 and A2 were so similar, neither of them can achieve plurality, despite their message itself being more popular, and the race goes to B1.

Btw, back in 2000, the Green party got enough votes in Florida that, had they instead voted for Gore, the whole "chad" debacle would've been a non-issue. I guess Gore wasn't environmentalist enough for them. Bush/Cheney ended up winning...and they certainly were not environmentalist in the least.

I credit this for being the historical turning point where everything really started going to shit. Bush v Gore and the chads. And thus, to this day, I'm a tree-hugging hippy who will gladly say: fuck the green party.

...To take it a step further, in order to attract centrist or opponent voters, the party has to be moderate/centrist. It cannot be exceedingly progressive, or it will lose its more moderate members.

In essence, the voting system causes two party systems, and the "big tent" party causes the big tent to suck and always move opposite the driection it really should.

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Tollana1234567 1 point 3 days ago

OR a uniparty/coalition. its 2 right wing parties, 1less than the other joining forces. the less right wing from time to time is allowed to win, throw in some "progress" but not enough to change things dramatically. Also they depend on the right wing for survival as much as the alt-right depend on the dems for survival. its a codependancy.

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skvlp 25 points 4 days ago

This is absolutely on to something. Trump should not stand a chance against a viable opposing party.

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LifeInMultipleChoice 14 points 4 days ago

So long as any parties funding is coming from corporations, and citizens united stands... Not much will be done in terms of bettering society for the working class.

An easy way to look at it is the working class if above the line, the people who own the parties rely on what's below the line.

Those people have proven over and over they believe in making massive cuts to make the numbers below the line go up, even if they were making profit and churning out a good product. Making a worse product, and hurting those who work for you company doesn't matter, so long as number go up.

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Almacca 25 points 4 days ago

They're doing exactly the job they're being paid for.

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Tollana1234567 21 points 4 days ago

the DINO party serves the billionaires, and israel mostly.

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uriel238 17 points 4 days ago

Until the genocide, everyone served Israel.

I stand by my observation Israel is not a Jewish nation, it's a owner-class nation.

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BigBoyShuanzee 7 points 4 days ago

Israel is a terrorist state and the fact they call themselves Jewish is antisemitism.. They kill Muslims is also antisemitism.

I'm an Australian and I hate every religion!

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huppakee 4 points 4 days ago

Israel calling itself Jewish on its own is not anti-semitic, the doing things that makes everybody hate them while calling themselves Jewish is what makes it anti-semitic.

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ErrorCode 14 points 4 days ago

The Dems exist to prevent the rightward slide from ever shifting back. That is why they fight harder against progressives than Republicans.

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mursejoy 4 points 4 days ago

Exactly. They are being quiet because they are being told to do so.

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Tollana1234567 2 points 3 days ago

they saw what happen with zohran, and they tried railing on El-sayad, with islamaphobic inneundos.

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MonkRome 20 points 4 days ago

I want to preface this by saying that I think the democrats have no fucking idea how to do messaging and opposition.

But even if they did, we live in a system that wants their message to be ignored. Anything a politician says that is bad for business will not be televised. Or twisted to make them sound crazy. They have to oppose a regime that has nearly 100% of major media at least begrudgingly supporting if not enthusiastically.

I used to work in politics, it is next to impossible to get your message out if people with money don't want your message heard. The most important messaging is free media, as in the news and social media. Both of those have heavy corporate backing trying to control the narrative. Even the most progressive DSA politician has a hell of a time getting their real message through a controlled information stream.

The Dumbocrats are perpetual failures mixed in with some dino's but the media is a bigger issue, imo.

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JasonDJ 12 points 4 days ago

They have to oppose a regime that has nearly 100% of major media at least begrudgingly supporting if not enthusiastically.

This is the biggest problem. And it's not just legacy media, but also modern media. Zuck, Musk, and fucking Spez control basically all the social media that isn't the fediverse. All fascists or fascist-wannabes.

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Jax -2 points 4 days ago

It's always funny to see DSA types coopt Trump language.

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MonkRome 2 points 3 days ago

You'll have to expand on that thought because I don't know what you're getting at. People have been angry at the media long before trump, its trump that coopted it to get votes.

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Jax -1 points 3 days ago

I have to explain why Dumbocrats is Trump speak?

I don't make a point of explaining things that are obvious.

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P38lightning0520 15 points 4 days ago

They not just sitting there.

Lawrence,Massachusetts Democratic Mayor Brian DePenna was just arrested for stealing over $1.2 million of Covid relief funds.

Democrats have been hard at work enriching themselves.

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prole 2 points 4 days ago

The mayor of a town was arrested? Who fucking cares?

Do you have any fucking idea how large this country is and how many people call themselves "Democrat".

Shit like this doesn't work when people actually live in the place you're talking about.

Try harder.

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Rivalarrival 14 points 4 days ago

Democrats have been setting out to lose since Obama left office. Trump 2020 was the only one to beat them at their own game.

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CarpalTunnelButt 13 points 4 days ago

Oh, they were losing while Obama was president too. A Supreme Court Justice and the Heritage Foundation's health insurance reforms (aka Obamacare/ACA) come to mind.

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kestrel7_7 3 points 3 days ago

Last I checked there were about 50% more registered Democrats than registered Republicans in the USA. Given those kind of numbers, it's actually impressive that the Republicans ever win any elections at all; and it takes a lot of both Democratic incompetence and Republican gerrymandering.

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Tollana1234567 1 point 3 days ago

not only gerrymandering, but voter suppression laws. most targeting blacks, latino democratic areas. propaganda helps even some dems turn to republicans last election.

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Tollana1234567 2 points 3 days ago

it was a fluke for obama to win, because of bad bush screwed up the economy.

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Rivalarrival 1 point 3 days ago

Agreed, Even then, it wasn't really the Democratic party that wanted him. Hillary was the frontrunner through the primaries and into the convention. He barely bested her. He only got the nod because the rest of the country revolted against the party leaders from the traditional blue states, and the party had no choice but to follow.

She was such a terrible choice for Democrats that Rush Limbaugh supported her in the primaries!

Had she won the convention (and had McCain picked anyone but that tea party pinhead), the GOP would have likely prevailed, even after Dubya. She couldn't win against a moron like Trump; she didn't have a chance in hell against one of the last good Republicans this country has seen.

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Hell_nah_brother 14 points 4 days ago

Instead of attacking? Are you cowboys ok? Apparently you still don’t understand shit if this is the trash that gets posted. Wake. The. Fuck. Up.

You live in a violent dictatorship, there is no voting system you fucking dipshits.

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SwissArmyKazoo 4 points 4 days ago

Yeah ikr.

Trump is depriving people from affordable healthcare, living environments, food storage, equal rights, sterile air quality .etc, and he's pretty much the ambassador of the many despicably graphic human trafficking ring formed by Epstein that his posse is going out of their way to shun from the public eye.

But oh no! Zohran is chilling with furries!!!!!!! WHAT A FREAK!!!!!!!!!!!!! WORSE THAN A CHILD RAPIST WHO ALSO TARIFFED COUNTRIES DURING WILDFIRES AND BLACKMAIL IRAN AFTER DROPPING COGNITIVE NUKES ON THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!

I suffer heavily from learning difficulties, and even I know Republicans are completely inhuman warmongeries!

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Hell_nah_brother -2 points 3 days ago

I’m mostly bothered by OOP tweet. Evan here is cosplaying Dora the explorer. Like, really Evan, you don’t have any fucking clue why?

I can’t believe this post is one of the top ones. What fkn discussion can we start from here?

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TrickDacy -7 points 4 days ago

Just say you despise Americans and stop pretending to want better for them

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Hell_nah_brother 12 points 4 days ago

Yes I do from the bottom of my heart, especially because my country is a US colony. Am I not allowed to hate burgerman?

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PhoenixDog 2 points 4 days ago

If we didn't despise you before, we do now.

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TrickDacy -5 points 4 days ago

Trust me no one missed that. Bigots can get fucked.

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PhoenixDog 6 points 4 days ago

American education system at work of you think that's what a bigot is.

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Nonconfrontational 2 points 4 days ago

"I can't believe you hate us for making the planet inhospitable and starting countless illegal wars of aggression over the past 80 years and genociding multiple peoples in multiple countries and couping socialist projects and installing fascist dictators and.. You guys are just bigoted!! 😤"

Fuck off, lmao.

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Nonconfrontational 1 point 4 days ago

Death to America.

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wrinkledoo 14 points 4 days ago

I think democrats are controlled opposition, but do people not understand that they currently aren't in power?

The fed is run by the GOP. Dems are only enough of a problem that Trump has to write EOs for every goddamned thing.

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almost_genocide 6 points 4 days ago

Maybe if Biden had written EOs for every goddamned thing we wouldn't be in this mess.

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uriel238 4 points 4 days ago

He didn't have the advantage of SCOTUS backing everything he wrote.

In fact, the US Supreme Court actively opposed him.

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almost_genocide 6 points 4 days ago

Well it's a good thing he didn't try then. Things would be so much worse.

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uriel238 2 points 4 days ago

Biden was a centrist Democrat who tried to get progressive in his presidential term, but yes, it was a too little too late.

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 3 points 4 days ago

Maybe if Obama had done something about Russian election interference on behalf of trump in 2016, we wouldn't be in this mess.

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Nonconfrontational -1 points 4 days ago

Most American American to ever America gets elected as president.

Dems: Russia did it!!

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prole 2 points 4 days ago

Most of us don't want our government to work that way

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TrickDacy -1 points 4 days ago

So you want the president to seize more power than they legally have and for that escalation to continue whether a fascist is in office or not. Yeah great plan.

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architect 2 points 4 days ago

Let republicans do it only, then. Great plan!

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TrickDacy 0 points 4 days ago
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JcbAzPx 3 points 4 days ago

That's the problem. The gop is always in control whether they have a majority or not.

Democratic party with a supermajority: can barely pass a conservative health insurance reform bill with zero repub votes after bargaining themselves out of any actual good parts.

GOP with a one vote majority: mandate of the people; they get everything they want and there's nothing the dems can do to stop it.

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wrinkledoo -1 points 4 days ago

Again, I understand that they're controlled opposition, but the "wHy doNt dEms dO sOmeThIng" is just useless hot air when they aren't in a position to do anything.

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JcbAzPx 1 point 3 days ago

They are in the same position the GOP was when they shut down any progress the democrats pretended to try to do when they had the majority.

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TrickDacy -1 points 4 days ago

do people not understand that they currently aren't in power?

There's not much people understand. But they will 100% confidently talk about anything like they know it all.

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curve -1 points 4 days ago

If op bothered to post the whole thread you'd see they are doing something but a complicit media doesn't report on any of that.

This kind of propaganda has worked wonders on all the brightest folks here. Doing its job superbly.

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chortle_tortle 3 points 4 days ago

Okay, help us out then, what are they doing?

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kreskin 11 points 4 days ago

DNC loves trump. It lets them be awful and corrupt right up the point of being only slightly better than trump, and think they can get away with it.

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OwOarchist 3 points 4 days ago

and think they can get away with it.

At least until the guillotines come out, they can and are getting away with it.

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Kintarian 9 points 3 days ago

The corporate Democrats don't want to piss off their owners

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spaghettiwestern 7 points 4 days ago

Tacit approval.

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ChonkyOwlbear 7 points 4 days ago

Because running against Trump has worked so well for them so far, right?

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ayyy 3 points 4 days ago

I haven’t really seen anyone try to run against him. They’ve put people on the same ballots as him, but none of them have run a serious campaign that attempted to connect with voters.

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13igTyme -2 points 4 days ago

He has never won against a man. I'm not just talking Biden, he's ran for president multiple times.

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ChonkyOwlbear 2 points 4 days ago

This is true, but I am talking about House and Senate members running for the midterms. Being anti-Trump isn't enough.

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Tollana1234567 0 points 3 days ago

and the DNC knew choosing a woman would always result in a loss, so they did anyways.

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flandish 7 points 4 days ago

because both parties are capitalist, they’ll never really “do” what’s right for the working class.

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Suavevillain 7 points 4 days ago

The Dem party is an enrichment cult that happens to tackle a few social issues.

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Tollana1234567 4 points 3 days ago

pretend to tackle actually. its called wet your appetite, or throw the dog a bone. its limited by design, so they dont lose thier political capital in getting elected next election.

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Vespair 6 points 4 days ago

Quietly getting rich through investments and back office deals, mind you.

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unemployedclaquer 5 points 4 days ago

Blue State Gov Andy Beshear would never! What?

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mannycalavera 5 points 4 days ago

All part of the plan... I think 🤔.

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Cherries 7 points 4 days ago

Here is the advice of James Carville, a highly respected political consultant for the Democratic party. He recommends that Dems roll over and play dead.

The man is responsible for the Democrat's major shift towards neoliberalism, as well as a key figure in killing all progressive movement in the Dem party. He's even doing it now, saying the people do not want progressive policies like taxing the wealthy or cutting weapon shipments to Isreal.

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switcheroo 5 points 4 days ago

Vote corpo scum out. Progressives over establishment--- AS LONG AS THE OTHER OPTION IS NOT A FASCIST PEDO PARTY SCUMBAG.

We want Blue, but we are going to have to babystep our country back into not being an utter shithole.

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JcbAzPx 1 point 4 days ago

You can't baby step that. It's time to rip the band-aid and vote for people actually on our side.

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DeathsEmbrace 4 points 4 days ago

You think that's bad? The rest of the world is waiting for the next president to continue sucking the imperialist dick. Apparently this one was in too many children.

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Tollana1234567 2 points 3 days ago

they want to go back sucking israel off, and to people stop talking about the epstein files, many other world leaders are in it too.

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rayyy 3 points 4 days ago

Democrats respond to political money but they feel an obligation to support the workers who allowed them to be in their positions, whereas Republicans feel absolutely no obligation to their none rich constituents, instead they feed the their minions BS. Both parties are basically on the same page otherwise.
That is why the Democratic party would like to get rid of AOC, Bernie Sanders and Mamdani. The solution is to replace enough Democrats until the party actually represents the people. There is no hope tor the GOP.

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Sam_Bass 3 points 4 days ago

they just cant stand having a happy population. its gotta be strifed for those losers

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naught101 3 points 4 days ago

From the perspective of the DNC one of those things is an existential threat, and the other is not.

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Pyr_Pressure 3 points 2 days ago

Democratic party doesn't care about the country. They are all just sitting there raking in a paycheque and getting rich off insider trading all while someone else gets blamed for the bad shit happening. This is their perfect scenario. Why would the actually work and bring attention to themselves when they can just ride the wave for four years and get rich.

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Garbagio 1 point 2 days ago

They literally had public disclosures that this was the plan after Harris lost

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subgenius 2 points 3 days ago

There the old saw about not interrupting your enemy when he’s making mistakes. But if the tables where turned the Repugs would be screaming holy hell non stop.

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ReverendIrreverence 2 points 3 days ago

Democrats think republican voters are paying attention as closely as they do and not, in fact, just waiting to be told what to believe and how to think about it.

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InvalidName2 1 point 4 days ago

If what's going on at the local levels is considered "quietly sitting there", I'd love to hear a few realistic and effective suggestions for what you think the party should be doing.

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brachiosaurus 1 point 4 days ago

I’d love to hear a few realistic and effective suggestions for what you think the party should be doing.

You know for example ditching the private social network owned by a nazi and promote the open and decentralized alternatives that millions of people are already using

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InvalidName2 2 points 3 days ago

So you don't think the party members should be reaching out to people where they are? They should instead stick to social media platforms that practically nobody is using and therefore stifling their ability to communicate with not just supporters but also undecided & unaffiliated voters as well as all the people that they're representing? Fascinating.

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brachiosaurus 0 points 3 days ago

If their goal was to reach out to people, wouldn't it be useful for them to spend 2 minutes to create a free account on the fediverse where millions of people are? Go ahead and explain why they are not doing that

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prole 2 points 4 days ago

Do... You not know where you are right now?

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brachiosaurus 1 point 4 days ago

On lemmy

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Rivalarrival -2 points 4 days ago

The party should be [Redacted by Reddit] every billionaire in the country with their own [Redacted by Reddit].

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InvalidName2 1 point 3 days ago

Okay, that's ... a choice.

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jabeez 1 point 2 days ago

Heh, you and me both buddy, mystery of the fucking century, either epic levels of incompetence, or collusion. Haven't decided which is more likely yet, maybe bits of both.

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m3t00 1 point 2 days ago

they need to go if they aren't doing anything. 'vote them all out' bumper stickers have been warning for years.

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ScoffingLizard 1 point 2 days ago

Getting paid by Israel.

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SnarkoPolo 1 point 4 days ago

He has something on them. Fascism is inevitable, for the rest of the century.

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SwissArmyKazoo 1 point 4 days ago

If Jimmy Carter were alive today, we would confidently express all of the benevolence of the DSA and rub it in Trump's grifter Pinocchio nose.

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Pacattack57 1 point 3 days ago

They are all older than the polio vaccine and have no idea how technology works or social media

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SwissArmyKazoo 0 points 4 days ago

Democrats like Democrats who are Democrats.

Democrats in their eyes mean closeted fascist rethuglicans who are all talk and no action, hardly do any work to confront those less fortunate and both parties are willing allowing hundreds of innocuous Palestinians get brutally disembowelled and tooled into human shields.

The same kind of gutless white trash dirtbag that Tyrant Trump and his fascist regime of bloated war criminals and planet killers choose to dominion over

Democrats hate DSA because they are Democrats

Democrats in this case being truly devoted and compassionate leaders and activists who are actively trying to undo the intensive damage and corruption done by conservatives and conservative embezzler, vouching to lower prices, sending fresh supplies and insurance for those in need, trying to keep out highly dangerous and homicidal officials, taking a stance on Republican policies and how imperialistic and tyrannically sadist it is, they are everything a moderate chunk of the left side of the party are SUPPOSED to do!

Hakeem Jeffries trying to distance himself from them really show which political ideology he really represents.

Lets just say it's incredibly wrong, yet also presented as the opposite of "wrong"! You know who I'm talking about.

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rottenmummy 0 points 3 days ago

That's the thing, they are not hiding, they have already been paid

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BigMacHole 0 points 4 days ago

If ONLY instead of DESTROYING the Country Donald Trump was HELPING Americans THEN Democrats would FIGHT!

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homesweethomeMrL -6 points 4 days ago

I think we aren’t politicians. For good reason. None of us want to listen to constituents or go yo speeches or give speeches or dress up and clap for budget wins.

So, why aren’t they doing what we’d do? Shit on trump at every opportunity? Spend days flaming everyone who’s a complete fascist fuckwit?

Yeah i dunno. I think they imagine themselves doing it as much as we imagine ourselves writing legislation, getting whip counts, and deciding who’s going to be the next thing.

Dems have been behind the eightball on communications forever, in part because progressives hate being told what to think. Republicans have it easy: create the talking points, roll it out on your networks and let the flag-wavers do the rest.

If the DNC did that - with anti-trump rhetoric - I think we’d love it at first, and then wonder what their game was. By sticking to real-world criticisms, it’s not fun or exciting and it gets zero press; but it’s real.

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Nonconfrontational 0 points 4 days ago

Hahaha

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