Seriously. Someone let me know when we’re getting off the internet and rioting.

plus it's objectively wrong as exemplified by the last election

really it seems like it's blaming people for just voting & hoping, instead of organizing and building a movement. voting for the lesser evil is not enough.

There are always other choices, but those might possibly require actual work and personal risk so they're too scary for the voter brain to handle

You chose to confine yourself inside that box.

Long term thinking would be voting third party.

I think you're forgetting that this is the most important election of our lifetimes. If we lose this one, there won't be a next election.

— last election

As of liberals think long term. They are reactionary like their conservative bedfellows

Are you referring to Genocide Joe or Sleepy Don?

You think that changes the truth?

The 2024 election was the result of choosing the lesser evil in 2020. You can't analyze these problems by looking at only one election at a time. In the grand scheme of things, Biden winning in 2020 was a net-negative for the country. It gave us four more years of milquetoast centrism that did nothing to reduce the appeal of MAGA. If Trump had won again in 2020, he wouldn't have had four years to prepare for a second term. There wouldn't have been a Project 2025.

Electoral myopia is a mortal sin of Democrats. Every election they pretend that no other election has ever happened before, and no other election will ever happen again.

And that election came as a result of decades of "lesser evil" "strategic" voting, where each election managed to be a worse more decrepit choice than the previous. Looking at these things through the lens of just this specific election is part of what has got us here. The ahistoric approach to politics is why you end up running defense for a genocider who can't even win an election against Trump.

Decades of 'lesser evil' gave us trump

Someone doesn't understand that the Democrats have been running that platform for a while now and been using it as a whipping rallying call to kowtow the actual left into compliance with them without any real consideration given to their ideology. The Democrats are not actually left, they're at best middle of the road conservatism and people need to realize that.

The problem is that, despite people swearing they never had any other choice, there has always been many instances of good options that go unchosen while the population fights over voting for turbo-evil vs naturally-aspirated-evil.

Here in Canada we have three main parties and people will do ANYTHING to justify why they cannot vote progressive and must vote for the centrist/conservative party because otherwise the conservative-conservatives might get power. Now we have a banker steam-rolling our people and our environment for free.

Your assuming lesser evil stays the same. If they move lock step with the greater evil though then guess what?

The other party has had to change things up. The republicans decided to become more evil in response to Obama. The democrats have also decided to change things up by becoming more evil every election

Groceries keep getting more expensive though

Seeing as how that has never been the plan of the majority, its a plan that has never been tried. As opposed to the plan of voting for democrats even though they're (at best) republicans with a 2 year delay. We've tried that plan a bunch and all it has gotten us is genocide, mass deportations, a police state and an ever-worsening climate.

Can't be any worse than what voting alone has gotten for us

BlueMaga liberals have memory holed the entire Biden administration

I think we did a few times.

You should do the only thing that has historically made conditions better for the average person.

Violent revolution.

There were always non-evil choices. Most people were too afraid of a non-evil world to pick them, though.

It's not even a real bumper sticker, this image isn't a real photo

You're ignorant of history. Yes, we'll have two parties due to our electoral system, but precisely which two parties can easily change. It's happened before. In fact, that's how the Republican party came to be. The Abolitionists spent nearly a century doing exactly what you advocate - voting for the lesser evil. Slavery only became more entrenched. It was only when they were willing to abandon the existing parties entirely and support a new third party - the Republicans, that Abolition actually happened.

We would have never had a President Lincoln if our ancestors had followed your advice.

I don't know what would be sadder: if all the various people in this thread posting variations of the above are wilfully missing the point, or, if they genuinely can't comprehend any other way.

You could also choose anyone else or make any sort of demand of your party

• The Clintons convincing Trump to run as a candidate got Trump elected.
• Hillary Clinton's pied piper strategy, which resulted in him getting billions in free advertising, got him elected.
• The DNC refusing to primary a candidate that nobody wanted that was backing and funding a genocide is what got Trump elected.

Maybe OP is just starting highschool?

Seem to be missing a few administrations there. Though I notice BlueMaga liberals are basically having to memory hole every democratic president for the last forty years because "if you just vote us in we'll stop the Republicans!" Doesn't convince anyone when they look at what democrats actually did in office

Which is the real reason why the lesser evil can get away with being as evil as they are.

Slavery only ended after abolitionists stopped voting for the lesser evil. 50 years of voting for the lesser evil got them nowhere.

Blaming voters when the primary cause for all of that is corporate interference in every aspect from candidate selection to gerrymandering districts to lobbying to the ads seen online and on television to the misinformation/disinformation sewed into widely accepted corporate media.

The people with money are the ones to blame. Not the pool of potential voters beaten into submission at work and propagandized into thinking a far right party and center right party are our only options.

So far, after watching pedophiles coup the government and strip it for parts while conducting treasonous acts, the Democrats have:

-secrety had meetings between dem leadership and Jared Kushner

-funded AIPAC Republicans campaigns over non AIPAC DEMS

-said that if they win the midterms that they shouldn't impeach anybody, and we should work with the Nazi pedophile traitors.

-NOT provide funding to left candidates in FL (chuck Schumer).

-will NOT commit to abolishing the secret police stablished by pedophilic traitors to terrorize us.

-will NOT speak out against CONCENTRATION CAMPS AND BAN THEM.

-Jeffries, who takes Peter Thiel money, setup an AI regulatory committee with some other Dems that TAKE PETER THIEL MONEY

IDK, beyond words, can anyone show me actions that show that Democrats are actually an opposition party?

And here come the blueanon McCarthyists to screech about how all their problems are the fault of evil foreigners

"Everyone who disagrees with me is either a foreigner or an unthinking machine" And Other Insane Conspiracies For The Right Wing Mind

The last few years are an example of what happens when you stop choosing the lesser evil.

Of course, what we should be doing is working on getting a non-evil to a position of being selectable. But who's got time or energy for that?

who said anything about that?

Good thing there's other choices, then.

Clinton, Obama, Biden. So not every time. And every time the republicans won were also times where we ran with "vote for the lesser evil" which you have to count too - Your strategy of "voting for the lesser evil" doesn't even win you elections.

The solution is Ranked Choice Voting. Anyone can run and voters rank all the candidates. So if you put Stein (for example) first and she doesn't get enough votes, your vote then goes to your second choice, and so on. It lets you vote the way you really want it to go, not just strategically.

A handful of jurisdictions have tried just that, it's absolutely wild.

You just keep doing what the bumper sticker says, obviously. You vote for the red and they hit you and rob you, vote for the blue and they rob you nicely.

How is this hard for people?

Republicans do what they want and the Democrats ask us to vote for them a little harder and, eventually, they will be able to do something, as long as precedent isn't broken, as long as it's the "high road", as long as it's not something the parliamentarian can override, etc...

currently,

-hakeem is secretly meeting with kushner. He is also taking Thiel money and setup and AI "regulations committee" with other Dems who take Thiel money.

-AIPAC Dems are funding AIPAC Republicans over actual left candidates

-tammy duckworth says that we shouldnt impeach and should work WITH the traitornazirapistpedophilicwarcriminals.

Can you please explain to me how voting for the "lesser" evil is helpful?

I dont agree with Democrats on 70% of issues. You people keep making these disingenuous framings where the issue people have with democrats is just some teeny tiny thing and not their policies. The democrats committed a genocide, that was the straw that broke the camels back - It is not the one thing we disagree on. I dont like them deporting more people than Trump, I dont like their fanatic militarism, their police state, the way they fuck the climate, healthcare, their kowtowing to corporate interests, their constant sabotaging of left-wing movements, their starvation of people through sanctions, their repressive violence against democratic protesters, their interventionism, their brinksmanship, etc.

And even if it was, GENOCIDE is pretty fucking massive. Voting for a genocide will only end up with you getting sent to the camps as well.

I - and seemingly many others - have been willing to accept voting for democrats despite their many many many dogshit policies, as long as they: Protected Roe v. Wade and didnt gleefully directly commit a genocide.
And they fucked it up. So now people won't vote for them, because there is no reason to.

Genocide apologia

And you not being able to see where two controlled parties got you shows you can't think beyond an election.

It's not hard, MAJORITY of Democrats are neoliberal, that is conservative. They felt they had to go more conservative after Reagan and have ever since. Which means that we have DROFTED AWAY FROM LEFT LEANING VALUES.

we drifted away from they by voting for the candidates that were MORE ALIGNED with our values and yet here we are.

Now, intelligent people can also look at what the "blue good guys" are doing right now to prep for "winning" the midterms in my post above.

*Hint - it's ACTIVELY helping the GOP

The people who like voting for evil won't vote for the lesser evil because it's lesser. The people who don't like voting for evil won't vote for the lesser evil because it's evil.

Every time someone says something for sure never happened like this? They're wrong.

Anybody who was around for that and doesn't oppose FPTP knows what they're doing.

Because good people aren't wealthy enough or have the right connections outside of local elections MAYBE

Because that's one of the evils tolerated by lesser evils.

"Someone disagrees with me? Clearly an evil foreigner"

What people don't understand is that the DNC was NEVER going to give Bernie the nomination, no matter how many votes he got in the primary. He's an Independent who has never respected the Democratic party. He doesn't support them, he doesn't raise money for them, and he has criticized them often over the years. They hate him, he's not a Democrat, and they are not going to reward him with the biggest award a party can offer a member - their candidacy for President. Bernie's not a Democrat, and the Dems aren't going to make him their leader.

but someone with a voice said "Bernie is unelectable" and that was all it took, his numbers dropped overnight

That is not at all what happened. I remember. I was there. The DNC cheated over and over to sabotage him and eventually just had to nominate someone who didn't win their primaries (Clinton). There was even a court case where they admitted as much. Because their base was so pissed.

Wilding v. DNC

They have memory holed the hell out of this case. Last time I looked you could only find the transcript on the Internet archive

You can always trust Westerners to blame all their problems on evil foreigners.

And you can always trust BlueMaga liberals to write like the most cringy losers imaginable

It's almost like people talk more about politics during the political season!

It's the result of incredibly stupid people believing the rich people who tell them that only their chosen puppets have any chance of winning the election, so you'd better vote for the puppet you hate the least, voting for someone you actually support is just a waste!

We have way more than two parties in the US. People are just way too big cowardly losers to consider voting for them.

This is literally the sheep cheering on the wolf so they don't get eaten by the bear

Mmm, I sure do love a false dichotomy.

I'll vote in the primaries if there is a candidate I like. Otherwise I won't. And I wont vote for democrats if I dont like their candidate either. Doing so is a fools' game and exactly what got you trump.

Of course this is just a false dilemma, you can always vote third party.

Yes because the only thing to do is vote and the only parties are dem and republican, your hands are tied! You have to vote for genocide! Why won't people just let you have your treats?

You were offered 2 bowls of shit, and instead of refusing shit you chose the one that you thought was the better choice. Either way you chose shit

Afghanistan and Iraq happened with the support of democrats and was worsened under democratic leadership. The current genocide in Gaza started under Biden. Roe v Wade was overturned under Biden. By domestic terror do you mean ICE? Tom Homan was appointed by Obama and Obama was the one to massively expand ICE.
Iran has been the target of the US empire for decades, Kamala Harris called it the biggest enemy of the US. She was just as fervent a supporter of Israel as Biden and Trump, and Israel pushing for the war is why its happening. There is no way of knowing what would have happened under a dem president, but we have all reason to assume she would have gone along with the war against Iran, just like Trump did.

And what did that get us? Genocide, more deportations than Trump 1, massive fracking bills, more money to cops, violent crackdowns on peaceful protesters. The only good thing biden did was pull out of Afghanistan and he was hated for it and followed it up with immediate sanctions to stave the people already suffering under a taliban government.

Edit: Its also just not true. The last time a US presidential election had a turnout below 50% was in the 1920s

For example, Biden's bait was "15 an hour". The American voters took the bait and elected him; no minimum wage increase.

??? The fuck are you talking about? He did raise the minimum wage of federal employees. Or is that not good enough and you want to move the fucking goalposts?

This one was like one of his sigbature EOs, it's such a fucking stupid thing to lie about.

https://www.dol.gov/...

There's actually more than two parties and more to do than vote

Lmao, this is the correct take. If you blame the current system on people who voted for the lesser of two evils then you can also clearly blame the system on those who didn't vote. In fact, most of the voting population choose not to vote. So if anything they are the most to blame. The implication is that instead of voting you should do something more radical or -insert some butt-ass thing- but clearly that worked the same amount or less than voting by this very logic.