Trump: ‘I’m really not trolling’ with talk of Canada as 51st state
a year ago by Cows Look Like Maps to c/world
Can some of us, uh, join you though?
Honestly I've been worrying for years that the only way the US is going to resolve this division and hostility within their country is by breaking up, possibly largely along red state/blue state lines, and hopefully not triggering a violent (or god forbid nuclear) civil war in the process.
But I can say as a Canadian, if it does come to that, and you guys can't take back your country (which I really think you can, once you start to accept what is happening and accept that it's gonna hurt and you dig your heels in anyway, I don't think there's anyone who will be able to take you down, not even Trump and crew), then we would be absolutely happy to quickly rebuild and strengthen our relationship with most of the blue states. And however you end up wanting to arrange yourselves in the end, we'll work with that. And if you guys genuinely wanted our help, our resources, our logistical support, even our protection (what little we can provide), if things were to start looking like actual civil war, I'm sure we'd absolutely be willing to figure out what sort of arrangement is actually going to work. We'd have to at least initially discuss it as equals and as partners though, I don't think we'd ask you or coerce you to give up your sovereignty, any more than we'd want you to take ours. But if the intention to join Canada was a popular attitude, I expect we'd be willing to consider it, probably after some cooling-off period though to make sure it's not just a passing fad. The progressive parts of America are the parts we've always loved. If you guys come knocking on our door needing a couch to crash on we're not going to ask how long you need to stay, we're just going to go find pillows and blankets.
Same. I don't honestly know how we recover as a country. Trump isn't the cause, he's a symptom. A tumour with a much larger cancerous problem underneath. At no point will the sane (and actual majority of us) roll over and become fascists. But at the same time, I don't see how the third of the country that has gone full fascist suddenly regains their sanity and joins us.
The USSR's goal was to divide us, and the Cold War never ended, it just went underground. There is a large part of me that is afraid at this point Balkanization is our future. But how we would we even get there without causing death and destruction?
But regardless of sentiments about losing faith in us (and I don't blame those that feel that way, they are warranted) I do love you all who recognize that not all of us are the insane ones that make it on TV. We do still value our brothers/sisters/enbys to the north and are proud that we have a friendship unparalleled and the world's longest undefended border. The world is a often a dark and scary place, but it's friendships like these that make it worthwhile.
I appreciate you internet stranger.
You’ve put it very well. And as someone that lives in BC, I agree wholeheartedly.
You guys are the best. I'm just south of you in the PNW and want us to always have each other's backs.
i honestly think that applies to most of the world: pretty much everyone will back the blue states, because the red states are friendless right-wing nut jobs compared to pretty much the entire west… and it’s not like china would come to their “rescue” - they probably dislike them more than the rest of us even!
Most of the world*
*excludes Russia, Costa Rica, Argentina, Hungary, Israel, possibly India, probably Turkey, and any other fascist right wing countries. Sadly also excludes Alberta too.
That's the American spirit that I, as a Canadian, want to see! It's your country. Don't let them take it!
The problem is, the US isn't actually divided by red/blue areas. It's divided by urban and rural/suburban. Even red states, the cities are almost all blue. You can't just break it up like that because they'd have revolutions in the south at least.
the simple truth is that 95% of these people are not able to immigrate, they aren't wealthy, they aren't skilled. No country would take them.
Immigration is a tedious process, Its a pipe dream for many. For a time I thought I would Immigrate to the UK when I was dating someone there, years later I realized I didnt have a chance in hell unless we were married. that was the only path that was available to me.
As a Millennial whose teen years were filled with adults pushing me to gO To cOLleGe constantly, I’m pretty pissed. I could make and fill a Bingo card of bullshit reasons people repeated ad nauseum, yet in retrospect there is one critical reason that nobody mentioned - that if you want to emigrate, other countries only want you if you’re “educated.” (Or “skilled.”)
I can’t imagine most adults I knew were even aware of the requirements for becoming a citizen in another country. I had dreams of moving to Canada at that age, so if somebody had known, it would’ve been a very convincing argument on me. For those that don’t know - the system is set up to prevent most people from going anywhere, but having a specialized degree makes you desirable internationally. It’s one of the few ways that ordinary (read: non-wealthy) people have that allows them to move to a new country.
Well, if anyone wants to marry a Canadian, I'm single.
I assume certain short-term things will get better with anyone less crazy than Trump, but I agree the US is no longer reliable for anything long-term, and no other country should deal with us on the assumption that we'll give up certain short-term advantages for a long term stability within our sphere of influence. It's not even that the US was "good" (though I imagine the next hegemonic power could easily be worse), but across administrations, the US was generally intelligent about how to leverage its influence but retain enough goodwill to continue to do so indefinitely.
We learned that last time Trump was president that most of our country has been run on gentlemen's agreements. It was news to a lot of us as well.
I think a huge part of the problem is that it's run on Gentlemen's agreements but we pretend it's not. The UK's "Constitution" is a hodgepodge of laws and court cases and things that probably closer to treaties than anything else. It's a mess, but they know it's a mess so there's a very real sense that the gentlemen's agreements are important and as real as anything else.
In America, we worship our Constitution like a holy text, but so many of our institutional controls depend on Judicial Review (which is not technically mentioned in the constitution), on following along with the presumed intent, and on fudging around the edges when it's obvious the machinery of the state would grind to a halt if we had to amend it every time a novel situation arose. Yet, nevertheless, we have an entire school of thought built around the idea of shallow surface readings. The "originalists," not to put too fine a point on it, are fucking idiots.
If you get the idea that the only important thing is the blackletter text agreed to by a gaggle of 18th century provincials, many of whom were intelligent and well-intentioned, but all of whom were elites and either slave-owners or okay with hanging out with slave owners, then you have a recipe for considering stupid shit like presidential immunity or having a speaker of the house who's not a Congressperson and who can become president despite already serving two full terms, because it doesn't explicitly say you can't. It's childish and dangerous, and their ascendancy in the judicial branch is a travesty.
Yup. I joked that we're still on Constitutional Republic version 2.27, and not only is the next point release long overdue, but we should really have upgraded to version 3 or 4 by now.
Woah, we only just finally left the beta and are on constitution republic 1.27. The articles of confederation is more of an alpha test that was not good and tried the constitutions and while it worked, it never left the beta stage as , it just used spaghetti code that led to the civil war, which people wanted to upgrade to the first release won and started the reconstruction era, and caused the final release of 1.15. The south downgraded it back to beta after using violence to restrict people rights and remake the antebellum south under beta 15.01. We finally left after the civil rights movement forced them to put it at 1.25, with no restrictions on people rights. Though we need to not upgrade yet as someone is trying to install banana republic instead.
Was it worth it?
Southerners: "Yes, but we get to abuse brown people again!"
Call his bluff.
Ya'll are about the size of, and politically left of, California. 54 of 538 electoral votes. 52 of 435 members in the House of Representatives. You'd be another California.
You're the last thing that the GOP wants involved in US politics.
If you hate Trump, you can drive a wedge between him and the GOP simply by reminding us that you have universal healthcare, and you intend to spread it.
That depends on there still being elections
There will be elections.
Whether we use touch screens or guillotines to cast our ballots is an unanswered question. But there will be elections.
Aaaand when will these so called elections happen?
Sure there will be elections. But what do you do when Trump gets 90% of the vote like Putin does?
There are elections and then there are "elections".
Sorry... 😞
No. I have zero interest in your apologies. Not you, not any American whose first instinct is to tell us how sorry they are. I'm sure you're all wonderful people, but we're well past the point where that matters.
I never, ever, want to hear the word "Sorry" from any of your lips while I'm living with the reality that people I love might die to American bombs and bullets. I am not obligated to assuage your fucking conscience by dignifying your apologies while you all sit around hanging your heads in worthless shame.
We do not want or need your apologies. We want your rage. Get angry. Get out in the streets. Fucking do something.
And when Trump is gone and every last fascist has been hunted down and your government is run like an actual democracy, and your voters have learned how to value and respect friendships with countries outside of your own.... Then you can come to us and say sorry.
I think this bears repeating.
We will make you forget Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. The insurrection will be continent wide and we will just walk over the border and start looting weapons.
We are tougher than anyone thinks and can survive just fine pretending to be homeless or just in your woods or in a looted home.
We will live among you indistinguishable until something good to blow up comes along, or an American needs tied to a tree with their dick in their mouth.
You’ll never feel safe. You’ll never be safe.
Promise.
Just a reminder to non-canadians that a core part of Canadian identity has always been not being American. It’s a quasi-colonized pov. Make it real and it will be life-or-death for many many folk.
Yep, I frequently hear people bitching about the state of things in Canada and someone almost always follows up with "eh it could be worse, at least we're not murican"
Fuck murica.
We're not always great a describing who we are, but we sure as fuck know who we are not.
Russia Ukraine vibes
You're making it sound way harder than it is, The US has like 4? substations that if they all went down at once it would cascade fail about 90% of the grid, they aren't in bunkers or surrounded by armed guards or anything, they're random ass substations with chain link fences around them.
I think that we Canadians would be more than happy to add to the Geneva checklist should it come to this.
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Hopefully the Canadians will team up with blue states and we can fight any war he tries inflicting on Canada. I am moving from Texas if we ever invade Canada, most likely Washington
dont worry, the Police , Red State Military, and Private Militias will already have arrested , put a gun to the head of, or straight up killed any potential blue state rebel figureheads before they make a move like invading Canada or Mexico.
this is black and white, a Fascist coup that has taken over America.
Geneva Checklist.
Hey, just a lone Canuck on a 10 state fire season careless smoking tour of the wests national forests oughta do it. People forget that we're largely upwind.
And upstream, but that's a whole other level of sabotage.
Please don't view AMERICA as your enemy, just MAGA. They may be in control of the government at the moment, but they don't control us.
Remember that HitlerPig's following is only about 1/3 of the country, and they are breath-takingly stupid. MOST of Americans are your allies, and will happily fight alongside you to take both of our countries back from the Nazis.
Every Soldier in the Wehrmact who was in Allied territory, was an enemy, regardless of his opinion of Hitler and the party
Every Soldier in the Russian Army, or shitbag Mercenary who is in Ukraine, is an enemy, regardless of their opinion of Putin and Russkiy Mir
Any American who decides to just go along with orders of an invasion of an allied country , will be treated as such. An illegal occupant, an enemy combatant, a legitimate target.
No matter how anyone wants to spin it. Soldiers have options, they may be thrown in the brig for insubordination, they may be forced to frag their officer and go AWOL. But choosing to just go along with your orders, Illegal or otherwise, is complicit guilt in the crime.
I'm not talking about an invading army. By all means, you should treat them with as much lethal force as you can muster. But the vast majority of Americans are as against that invading army as you are. Any American soldier who does not respond to orders to invade by defecting, is considered a MAGA traitor, and is fair game, by both Canada and American Patriots.
"Just following orders" is never a justification. Following illegal orders is illegal.
I’d have agreed with you 10 years ago. In 2025, any American who is not already fighting (and I mean fighting, not “protesting”) MAGA is my enemy. Try us.
Grow up. These things happen in stages, and we aren't at the violence stage yet. We owe it to ourselves, and the world, to try our hardest to resolve this existential problem with every other option we have before getting to the violence. Hopefully, we can avoid it all together. An American Civil War would have ripple effects that will have negative repercussions on the rest of the world, and being right next door means it will be worse for you than anyone else.
And you need to understand the same far right attack on America by global fascist forces is also happening in Europe, Central and South America, Australia, Asia, and CANADA. They came after America first, so we won't be there to protect other nations, but once they have us under control, YOU are next. You don't want to alienate those who will be your closest allies when the Nazis come for you.
Your comment was clearly meant for the US in, like, 2004. Not sure how it found its way here.
I hear ya, and mean this with all due respect and just as a counterpoint.
I think the world, and especially Canada, aren’t wrong to expect Americans as a whole to not let it get to that point - democratically, seriously. We have been, happily and willingly, consuming an entire culture of freedom and defence against tyranny. Your news is our news, including all of the violence and rationalization of it - defence of freedom.
We know your massive protests and hard won civil rights because your media is our media just like your products are our bilateral lifelines.
If it gets to the point of invasion I think it’s fair to consider all of America having stabbed us in the back.
Edit: just to try and be lighter about it - it’s like we all took in your movies and books and documentaries but America themselves in a staggering ratio seem to have missed the point or identified the wrong protagonist.
If it gets to the point of invasion I think it’s fair to consider all of America having stabbed us in the back.
Please rethink that. MAGA represents a small and shrinking number of Americans. Many millions of us voted against them, and yet they used their nefarious resources to rig the election and take power. We have been stabbed in the back as much as you would be.
If the MAGA Nazis decide to invade Canada, you can double your forces by calling on the Patriotic Americans who want the Nazis out as much as you do.
AMERICA is not your enemy, MAGA is. Please remember that, we are on YOUR side, and want to assist you in defeating MAGA. If it comes down to an invasion of Canada, MAGA will have an Army, and Canada will have an Army, and the American Patriots will have motivated fighters who will enthusiastically assist the Canadian army to defend your sovereignty, and we are spread all over America. Make use of that valuable resource, and your defeat of MAGA will be much easier.
We're waiting with bated breath.
We are, too. The tipping point is coming, but it is always impossible to predict how or when that will happen. But make no mistake, it WILL happen.
So many of us have friends and family across the border. We know American people are fellow humans like anyone else and that the enemy is MAGA fascism.
Any American I see traveling in Canada without a MAGA hat will be welcomed by me with open arms. Canadians have a degree of empathy for what you're dealing with because we feel threatened by the fascist takeover too.
Canadians and Americans who give a damn about respecting peoples' dignity, no matter their gender or race, will stand in solidarity.
Thanks, I appreciate that. We already have brutal enemies within our own country, we don't need our neighbors hating us for the actions of those enemies. If America falls to the Maga Nazis, so will Canada. We have to band together to crush and purge them.
Just the South, and they have been the enemy of humanity for centuries, because they care far less about America than they do about their own racism, so much so that they went to war with America in the name of racism.
Ignorance and authoritarian sympathies aren't drawn on an east west or north south basis anymore.
No, but they originated from the South.
I grew up in a lovely midwestern town, then nafta ended and the vile filth infested us and brought their crime and drugs with them, my town became a nightmare in 2 years.
The rest of the country didn't want slavery, they didn't want Jim Crow, they didn't try to elect segregationists.
Our evil was very, VERY centralized, and it was our mistake for not dealing with them properly after the civil war and preventing their pestilence from spreading.
I'm sorry, it is unimaginable to be stuck there.
But the filth is no longer contained, it is destroying even the best parts of America and threatening to destroy the world.
This is now a question of self-preservation.
All I'll say is I'll be watching where fire bans are in effect if it ever comes to that.
IEDs. Just sayin'.
I love the energy. But if you're gonna compare Canada to Vietnam I have to point out the obvious geographic and climate differences; along with its proximity and distance from the US.
Get nukes Canada. Seriously, how do you guys not have fucking nukes?
You might consider being the Cuba/USSR with China of this generation. Not even kidding.
6 months is a long time. I'd get to work.
Truly the dumbest timeline
We’re taking care of their military. We’re taking care of every aspect of their lives, and we don’t need them to make cars for us,” Trump told Time. “In fact, we don’t want them to make cars for us. We want to make our own cars. We don’t need their lumber. We don’t need their energy. We don’t need anything from Canada. And I say the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state.
Then stop importing and we'll see how long before it's a problem for the people.
He’s completely delusional. We fought in US wars cause the US needed OUR military. Canada has never asked the US to defend us. Fuck Trump, Fuck MAGA. Fuck the tens of millions of HitlerPig sycophants.
And we aren't trolling when we say you'll sign your own death warrant, as a nation, and as a person.
the richest nation on earth with a military budget larger than the domestic budget of dozens of countries combined, couldnt stomach a fight against dirt poor cavemen, armed with cold war and WW2 relics, on the other side of the world, who were so culturally alien to them, they might as well have been from mars. And you're going to pick a fight with people who all they have to do is wear a Bruins hat and they pass for an American?
Ask the Russians how the occupation of their Ukrainian cousins territory has worked out. If you could speak to the dead that is. Those who are still alive, live looking over their shoulder for the rest of their lives.
I sure as hell wouldn't want the job of securing logistics in the northern woods with a bunch of angry Canucks running around.
We wouldn't even have to fight that hard, just deny resources. February would whittle down the numbers quite nicely.
It just sounds weird to call your enemies cavemen honestly. I know they’re the fucking Taliban and stuff, but there’s something to it that is hard to explain. If we’d be talking about Sam Losco on the other hand, that’d be a different story as that guy is a literal caveman.
A lot of them were literally living in caves, so...
Also I think we can relax the PC rules a bit when we're saying someone that thinks women are property is a caveman.
The Russian occupation is actually turning out more or less fine, the Russian government is better at finding and eliminating organized dissent than at pretty much anything else. They've been having some trouble against the regular army however
Weird, I seem to recall there being some very big explosions happening in Russia like all of the time.
I guess Russia is very good at rooting out organized dissent and preventing commando operations, just very bad at enforcing no smoking rules around explosives?
What makes you think those are commando infantry operations by locals rather than airstrikes from ukraine
What makes you think it makes a difference? Targets in Russia are blowing up either way.
Also some of the big booms in Russia happened far enough away from Ukraine that it's unlikely a drone strike. I suppose they still could be, but the drone operator would need to be inside Russia to make that happen.
Shit randomly getting blown up from IEDs, Drones and Grenade attacks, people being killed on the street, none of that is fine.
“In fact, we don’t want them to make cars for us. We want to make our own cars. We don’t need their lumber. We don’t need their energy. We don’t need anything from Canada. And I say the only way this thing really works is for Canada to become a state.”
So he DOES need things from us. If he didn't need us he'd just walk away and not trade with us. But why would he he want us as a state if we didn't have something he wanted?
He DOES need us, our workers, and our resources but he doesn't like that we're our own sovereign nation. He needs us but he wants us enslaved and controlled.
U S perspective here.
I keep remembering that oath our armed forces repeat so much: "... To defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic."
What in the flippin' hell do these bastards gotta do to be considered "domestic enemies"‽
Because apparently directly provoking all our neighbors to attack us out of self defense, or allying with friggin' Putin, along with a million other treasons, aren't qualifying enough? Who over there is gonna actually protect and defend the Constitution and the People of the United States of America?!
Because dammit we haven't lived this frickin long, through countless crises and bullshit, just to get shot or bombed by a Canadian we should've been sharing pancakes and beer with!!!
FULFILL THAT OATH YOU LIKE TO RECITE SO MUCH. OR COUNTLESS INNOCENT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DIE OVER ORANGE CALIGULA'S EGO.
Because that’s not how the military works.
And in the end, it isn’t up to them. Trump won the popular vote. Not by much, but he’s in the White House legally and legitimately. Doesn’t matter what his ‘popularity ratings’ are now. We The People put him there, and We The People are the ones responsible for removing him.
Do you really want the military to decide ‘I know the majority of y’all voted for this, but we’ve decided we don’t like that, so we’re overthrowing the government’ for anything?
Fair disclosure: Haven't watched the video yet, but I'm honestly very appreciative of your counterpoints here. And I agree! A militocracy ain't good news, either.
And you're right: Taking him out over "unpopular policy" doesn't make logical sense under a reasonable society.
I'm also aware that our civil checks and balances that should be putting the brakes on stupid policies are falling apart, because they've been carefully staffed by zealots heavily in favor of a single-minded, monolithic ideology.
However, I'm honestly wondering where the line is, that a leader's blatantly criminal activity can officially brand them "unfit for office" and bear consequences.
Like if he actually tried to just kill someone for no reason in Times Square, as he boasted he could, could anybody stop him? Or is it just "rules for thee, not for me" and we actually have a king now?
Because you know if "We The People" stepped in to stop that, we'd all get gulag'd.
If he decides "lol yeah let's annex Canada." Can our forces deny such a stupid order? Even though he is, technically, "their boss"?
Impeachment historically seems like a "strong suggestion" more than a solution.
According to USA.gov:
The presidents impeached by the House were: Andrew Johnson in 1868 William Jefferson (Bill) Clinton in 1998 Donald John Trump in 2019 and 2021
Presidents Johnson, Clinton, and Trump remained in office following acquittals by the Senate on all charges.
It sounds like The People can't really do much but demand that their officials follow through, but even then, it sounds like justice is never actually carried out.
It's honestly terrifying to think about, and I wish we knew what to do that was actually effective to reverse course on this absolute insanity.
The line is usually ‘where the majority party in Congress thinks it is’. That’s why even though they got impeached, none of those presidents left; look at which party was in charge at the time.
Make no mistake; the Republicans could have him out on his ass and facing criminal charges before you could blink if they wanted to. They don’t want to, because he’s doing exactly what they want him to do. 40-odd percent of Americans also think this is great.
And so, yes, he could shoot someone in Times Square and totally get away with it.
That’s the real problem. Trump and fascism are symptoms, not the cause. If the disease wasn’t there, like it wasn’t with Nixon (or at least, it was just starting to develop then), none of this would be an issue.
Preventing a shit show like this was literally why the second amendment was written
The second amendment was written so that there would be militias, who could act quickly, in spread-out, often frontier locations, in case of foreign incursion, giving the military proper time to respond.
That's too kind
Russia is a dying country, and they're trying to graft the Ukrainian Population onto itself to buy itself another generation
America is also probably a dying country, for different reasons, not population but resource. and they're trying to graft whatever resources they dont have in abundance , so they can survive another generation or two and shut themselves off from the world whilst they tear themselves apart domestically.
I like to idly game this out because it truly reflects how narcissistic and uninformed he is. So, he's talking about admitting Canada as a single state. Lets assume somehow that happens, even though the Canadians themselves would undoubtedly push for as many states as possible if joining the US were the only option.
You've now got a new largest state by both population and area, and one that has ridiculous reserves of resources and a coast-to-coast infrastructure. It instantly becomes the most important state. It's also full of millions of people who didn't want to be Americans and who've had a hundred years of more progressive governance than the US. Congratulations, Republicans, you've just skewed the Senate and completely fucked yourself in the House for a generation or more. You've also got 8 or 9 million Francophones who weren't even entirely sure they wanted to be CANADIANS, much less Americans, to say nothing of being Americans in a MAGA world. This is how real troubles begin.
So, in return for dubious "improvements" to the trade deficit, and certain (what?) administrative conveniences (I guess) for a military that already had basically all the access anyone would ever need, as well as a giant buffer territory you're not politically committed to defending with the same gusto you would your own soil, you completely upset the balance of power in Congress to your own party's detriment and add a huge population that hates their situation. Brilliant.
Although, I guess if you're just done with free and fair elections then a lot of these concerns evaporate...
We'd be joined through the Puerto Rico route, as a territory. No representation. The 51 state is just a ruse to get the 17th territory, or whatever the number is.
I'm so fucking tired of Americans saying shit like "omg Canada as the 51st state would totally skew our elections Democrat, get owned Trump!"
The reality is, in any scenario where Canada gets annexed by the US, American democracy will not exist anymore by then. Even if there are fake elections, we'd most likely not be allowed to vote (à la Puerto Rico, as you point out).
I do appreciate someone pointing out how utterly enraged us Francophones would be if subjected to US rule.
Doesn't matter. He wants Canada because it is big on the map and if America had it then America would look bigger on the map and if it was at its biggest when Trump was president that would mean Trump was the best US president ever in every history book for all time. Same thing with Greenland.
In school I remember them teaching us that it had a psychological effect that we think Northern countries are more important than Southern ones because they're bigger and on top and I am totally 100% on board with that line of thought
You're not wrong. It looks so much bigger than the 2.1m sq km that it is. In fact, it's 100k smaller than the Democratic Republic of the Congo. When you look at a Mercator map, Greenland looks comparable to the entire continent of Africa.
It's actually useful to note that Canada+USA together (19.8 sq km) is bigger than Russia (17m sq km) by about an India (3m sq km), but still short of the former USSR (22m sq km). But add in Greenland (2.3)? Now you've got the biggest country that ever existed.
You're right, making an America that is the largest country on earth is precisely what his ego is after.
There's something very irritating to me about the President using the word "trolling."
Maybe I'm being a stick in the mud, but the Leader of the Free World using Internet slang just doesn't seem right to me. It's petty, I know, but still.
It is not, however, as irritating as people defending the shit he does to throw the global economy and international community into chaos, by saying he's just trolling.
The term has entered the mainstream lexicon now. It’s not really just Internet slang anymore.
How is election security in Canada? There was fuckery in the last presidential election here, and I don't doubt they'll try it in Canada too.
Thanks to Elections Canada it's actually a lot better than the states. We also get answers sooner. There's nothing like an American election to make Canadians thankful for Elections Canada.
Yeah, our Elections Canada is quite solid.
The influencing of support for our right-wing party endorsed by Elon Musk/Trump/Jordan Peterson via X, Facebook, and campaign financing is the real issue imo.
Christopher Tidus just did two hour and a half long podcasts with a guest. He never has guests. The guest is a veteran that has teamed up with a data analyst and a computer geek. They have the data. The election was stolen. They used every single method from kicking voters off the eligible elector list, to vote switching, to ballot box stuffing. The election was a sham that shows a clear Russian Tail.
Honestly? I know who Chris Titus is. Never figured he'd not be a Trump supporter. Know nothing about him really, and I guess my impression of him was completely wrong. So...uhmmmmm...cool! Thanks for sharing!
I'm about 10 minutes into the first part. And, yeah, this is really really....idfk....fuck. Thanks. I'm really glad you shared this.
Edit:
The "mildly tangential ranting" on this comment I made yesterday I think is kinda relevant to this....if only tangentially....
I refer to him as a left leaning Dennis Leary. I can understand why you'd think he was right leaning. He's got the "middle aged white man funny rant" style of comedy down pat.
This guy seems like he might know what he's talking about but is there a version that isn't a 3 hour video?
Like an article or something?
https://electiontruthalliance.org/eta
That's the organization that the guy founded. You can find a fair bit there.
It's just something to grab the headlines and make people focus on something other than Hegseth and China.
Fuck no this is a technocrat idea?!
Hahahaha. Those fucking idiots had ideas so bad they're going to destroy the USA a hundred years later. Amazing
So, we’re back to this. His poll numbers are tanking so he has to quickly get control of the news cycle again.
Fuckin' seriously. I said half a year ago that a potential silver lining to Trump winning might be galvanising us to vote against PP, and it looks like that's pretty likely to happen, so thanks, Trump, for one uplifting bit in your otherwise awful tenure.
Not only is he going to secure a Carney majority, he may well cost Polievre his own seat.
We'll be erecting Trump statues soon if he doesn't quit being so helpful.
Wait wait, I've seen this one before!
What cards does this nipple have? None.
Canada has freedom. America doesn't anymore. Canadians are never going to agree to rolling back their rights and freedoms for a has been country headed by a fucking dictator wannabe. Canadians will die before anything like that comes to pass. Canada may be no match militarily, but now that Canadians are aware of the dangers .. that won't be the case forever. Unless of course they decide to invade Canada right now.. Not likely.
Canada simply can't afford to match America in conventional warfare. America has a more powerful military than the next 5 countries combined, and Canada isn't one of those. Unconventional warfare, on the other hand. I can't think of anything stupider than starting an unconventional war with a neighboring country with an incredibly long, weakly inhabited, border and a population that looks and sounds mostly like your own citizens. If even 1% of Canadians had a problem with that, there would be half a million insurgents that couldn't be easily identified.
MAGA: "Haha, he really triggered the libtards!!!"
Its funny, we use "eh" here in Australia but spell it "A" or "aye". Wild how a letter can have an accent in text
I'm gonna be brutally honest here: unless it's possible to reverse climate change impacts, the US was always going to invade and annex Canada. Even if we had a string of only progressive Presidents leading up to that point. The southern half of our country is about to become agriculturally useless and nearly uninhabitable. The only place for the US to go is north.
Hi, you’re not invading us. If you do - everyone dies. Canadians are extremely fucking petty. If we can’t have what belongs to us - no one is getting it. We’ll uranium the waterways, and burn our own power stations. We will burn our earth and torch the sky before Yanks take one square centimetre from us. You will see.
I absolutely support this response. The US shouldn't be allowed to swing its military might around to extort or absorb its neighbors. That said, it absolutely will and I hope it pays dearly for it.
Words are meaningless.
Because the US is inherently a "murder and pillage" kind of nation, right? You're certainly not saying things couldn't be worked out in the long run between understanding and humane people, right?
The U.S. IS inherently a "murder and pillage" kind of nation, yes. It's kind of the only thing we've ever done. If you're from the U.S. (like me) and you keep asking yourself "how did we get here?" Or "what happened to the America of my youth", then reading a little bit about history could be helpful. Or shit, talk to any Native about what their history, culture, language is, and then follow up with "What happened to them?".
The United States of America is a failed experiment. It's time to put it down.
My soul is rock hard after reading your reply. Having said that, I wish those who are more ignorant than evil could be saved from the coming shitstorm. 😔
Did you notice even the last Top Gun movie had Tom Cruise dropping bombs and stealing planes from a country that looks VERY MUCH like Canada?
This didn't work out well for the US last time.
They really want Fallout to happen.
The problem isn’t Trump, it’s his followers. One of those followers will think it’s a good idea to invade Canada.
Make sure you talk about this stuff and how unacceptable it is in public.
I ain’t going to El Salvador
It's trolling til it's not. He plants seeds and they fester in our angry wounds and suddenly it becomes the cure.
At least make the offer enticing, give Canada the option to join as 10 states (one per province); giving them an allotment of the 435 house seats and 20 senators.
I’m pretty sure that would be more than enough to swing the house, senate and presidency towards the left for the next few generations at least.
Canada could literally save the US if that were the case.
We don't exist to fix your broken country. Y'all need to stop buying in to stupid ass theories on how this would be good for the US. It won't, many of us Canadians would rather be dead than to be American.
A better solution for your political would be for the USA to break up and no longer be a country. If you honestly believe your politcal problems can't be fixed without someone giving up their country, then it should be you willing to give up your country, not someone else.
A better solution for your political (situation) would be for the USA to break up and no longer be a country.
As an American, I endorse this plan. Let it all just dissolve
13 Commonwealths you say?
2 quick points;
I’m not American and I don’t want to see Canadians lose their sovereignty.
I was using argumentum ad absurdism to point out that this entire “proposal” would be self-defeating for Trump and the Republicans. It’s an absolute non-starter.
One quick point: the USA is currently absurd in reality. Attempting to to use absurd hypotheticals to point out something wrong is not an effective way of arguing anything now, if it ever was.
I've noticed Americans tend to make abhorrent statements and if called out for it they just say "it was only a joke!" Your abhorrent statements followed by "it was just argumentum ad absurdism!" doesn't seem all too different to me.
Canadians are not going to fix your problems. We were your allies and so we did our best to help the US because that's what allies do. But you make us an enemy then our only goal will be to destroy the USA, not fix its problems. THERE IS NO SCENARIO WHERE CANADA IS THE 51ST STATE. There are scenarios where we are your ally and there are scenarios where we are your enemy. Those are your only choices.
Y'all need to stop having fantasies and understand the reality the problems your country has created and understand you are responsible for fixing those problems. Clean up your own mess FFS.
Fuck off with that bullshit. We have no interest in losing our freedom, healthcare, safety and rights to save the usa.
Maybe you should try fixing your own house.
Also, there are 10 provinces and 3 territories.
I'll keep my sovereignty, Healthcare and safe children, and defend that with my life.
Try to do something and see how your army does against 30 million insurgents who you can't tell from your own citizens. You couldn't beat Iraq, wouldn't be good against Canada, nato and the commonwealth.
Elbows up
If even 1% of Canadians became insurgent (many more would) that would be more than enough to fuck shit up for any US invasion.
The US has never fared well with insurgent groups protecting their homeland, case in point: Vietnam, Afghanistan, the Korean War.
Yeah, that's the thing. Even if you buy the idea of Trump's policies (which TBH have a few grains of truth), the implementations of them are so full of nonsense. Like, ok, get Canada into the US, let's just roll with that for the sake of argument... It might make Canada and the US stronger, like the openness between the states does. It would consolidate many federal functions. Canda could retain their culture like individual states do. Sounds plausible.
...And your plan is to get them to join as one state, and only if they grovel to you, by harassing them on Twitter, offering zero details? Like, what world is he living in?
Suggesting that invading and annexing a country is an "enticing offer" if they're given voting rights instead of becoming an enslaved resource colony is a hell of a take... "But it'll be good because the USA will benefit!"
Stop sanewashing a horrific invasion with selfish American-centric reasons. I'm trying to say this in the nicest way possible but this is one of the reasons the world despises the USA right now.
I see these types of comments constantly and it blows my mind that some Americans think this is reasonable and not a deeply offensive and ignorant thing to say.
I’m an Australian, so I feel kinship with Canadians over this entire issue.
I wasn’t being serious in the argument, rather using absurdism to point out that the entire “Canada as the 52st state” is unworkable - and would gloriously blow up in Trump and the republicans face.
It’s honestly a much less stressful thought exercise than the potential balkanisation of the United States - nuclear power experiencing a civil war would not turn out well for anyone.
The US has more than enough land to resettle their own population, the population density of most US states can take that easily.
Good - Yank fuckwhits can rot, or drown or however you choose to leave this mortal coil. Eat yourselves to death. LOL fat obese Murikkkans waddling over to “take over” Canada. Does the US army have enough medichairs??
guys I think it's important to remember that the lot of us do not support this idiot in fact a lot of his own supporters have been turning on him in waves he's got the lowest approval rating of anyone and before you say but you voted him in our voting system is electoral based a lot of us did not vote him in a lot of us live in blue states you know what I mean like we do not support this guy we are a country over your 370 million people so I guess I just get tired of being grouped with all the a****** idiots who actually voted this guy in
So what actions have you taken? "Not supporting" can be pretty fucking passive, and I for one will absolutely keep lumping you in with the other assholes until it upsets you enough to do more than whine on the Internet about it.
A drunk and his goons just took over your bus and it’s headed right for a school, I get it, you didn’t do it! …even though everyone saw them standing on the curb with tommyguns and shitty fedoras before they boarded, but OK.
Whatever happens from this point on is entirely on you and yours, now, though. History is watching.
Yeah sorry. If Americans invade Im not differentiating between who supported it and who didnt. You gonna die in a very unpleasant way.
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Speaking as a Canadian... Yes, we know.
You guys had the most trustworthy, most reliable ally ever. The faith and trust between Canada and the US was legendary.
That's gone now. It'll be a century or more before you can ever rebuild that trust.
And you threw it away for this drooling moron to play tinpot dictator.
Was it worth it?
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