Hegseth Wants Public to Watch First Firing Squad Execution Since WWII
4 days ago by inclementimmigrant to c/news
Once again, Republicans are the shittiest Christians.
They're all definitely stupider than shit, but idk if they'd care even if they did understand. They want more terrorist attacks because they think that will get them reelected and they pretty obviously don't give a crap about who gets hurt in their quest for power.
The FBI just manufactured, then heorically stopped a terror plot at the Mall of America the other day
The Trump admin wants terror plots right now, they feel it will help them in the midterms
Hegseth probably is. The people telling him what to do...they probably have some idea
Yep they'll just say the thread op is "defending Muslim terrorists" or some bullshit
You think they don’t want that? The more terror attacks on Americans the more they can push for the totalitarian police state to protect us.
It’s what Israel has been doing by funding Hamas and splintering Palestine.
Like Hegseth has literally no clue who he is dealing with. The people who he acts like this will discourage, all it will do is make happier to jump at the chance to have the same thing happen to them. He’s going to make the best recruitment tool for these terror organizations.
I don't think its accurate to say that Hegseth doesn't know what he is doing.
Making the execution public is on purpose, so the question is what purpose does it serve.
The most obvious seems to be about ego, and being a "tough guy" Hegseth (and Trump) are obsessed with being seen as strong men, and they think a public execution makes them seem tough
Terror, the next most obvious is that this is a part of the regimes ongoing terrorism campaign against Americans. Hegseth (and republicans in general) are telling people that they will find and execute anybody they think is an enemy.
"Speaking to Real America’s Voice, Hegseth made clear that the decision was deliberate. “We’re gonna make sure that people are able to watch it, that it’s public, because people need to understand that there’s serious consequences for these types of things,” he said."
Desensitization seems to be next. The constant ramping up of violence, and the political celebration of violence is a pretty deliberate attempt to make government run violence a normal part of life.
Precedent is probably on this list. Now that the Regime can publicly execute people for terrorism, they can publicly execute anybody. They have already said that anybody who is against fascism is a terrorist, and they already have assaulted, imprisoned and killed people for it. Now they are setting a precedent that they can do it legally.
Pissing off Muslims and making more enemies is probably here too. The regime needs people to blame atrocities on, when Trump nukes Los Angeles, he is going to want to blame it on "extremists." It fuels his forever war, and gives him an unlimited supply of support from people that don't look too hard. This seems to be rather low on the list, since the regime already lies about everything, and lying about muslim terrorists is probably easier than telling the truth about muslim terrorists, but anything to cloud the waters is probably a bonus.
All the guy wanted was to die a martyr. He said so at his sentencing. Not only is this not going to show serious consequences but encourage future terrorists like you pointed out.
That said, Hegseth would be all too happy to encourage more violence on US citizens if it means ramping up the security apparatus and eroding citizen rights. No better than Netanyahu allowing Oct 7th to be as murderous as possible.
They don't give a shit about Islamic terrorism. This is just another push of the Overton window.
If you think this will be the only live streamed execution, you're in for a bad time.
No, he understands very well the fascist economy needs enemies. If you gave Petey-pie a button that cleanly deleted Islam from the planet, he'd never press it because he can't function without an opposing religious extreme...
For a sillier analogy, Batman and the Joker fight all the time but can't exist without each other.
If you gave Petey-pie a button that cleanly deleted Islam from the planet, he’d never press it because he can’t function without an opposing religious extreme…
Yeah, and he can't touch Saudi Arabia, being one of the largest purchasers of military equipment and in control of the Sunni mindset preventing the rest of the Muslim world from trying to intervene in the nakba.
Honestly, there is much greater than a 0% chance that Hegseth didn't understand serious consequences until he himself was exposed to it, so he thinks everyone else needs that type of awakening.
It degenerates the society that makes it a spectacle.
Everyone knows shooting sprees are bad but people still do them in spite of the punishments.
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Is he going to attend in person?
Squad has an opportunity to do something really funny.
Should personally pull the trigger himself if he wants it done like this. What service member will have this weight on them?
Expect civilian casualties if that ever happens, if that time Hegseth tried to throw an axe is any indication.
As long as someone is killed, Hegseth will nut.
I guess the grainy footage of strikes against innocent fishermen wasn't doing it for him anymore.
During Trump's first term he spent hours on the phone every night getting 'advice' from Tucker Carlson and other Fox personalities, and it only went downhill from there.
At least during his first term there was usually at least one responsible adult around to tell him no. Now he's entirely surrounded himself with sycophants and bloodthirsty psychopaths chosen from the dumbest humanity had to offer.
At least Sean Bean was king enough to do it himself, and in one clean swipe, too. Not outsourcing it like a shitty Roman ruler for his own entertainment.
I believe it's a bunch of shooters and only a couple of them have real bullets, rest are blanks.
That said, I've also heard that people who shoot can tell the difference between blanks and regular bullets?
Yeah, he'll be there in person. Standing next to the firing squad, jerking himself off.
things like this makes us less civilized
If executions happen at all, yes, of course they're better done out of sight. What kind of person do you think would voluntarily watch those, and what would that do?
Obviously executions should not be happening at all.
If the state is executing people its citizens should be forced to watch: this is your will; this is what you voted for. Dumb, deaf and blind: Americans, "please do it off stage I'm watching TV here! No I didn't vote!"
It's wild that voting isn't mandatory there.
"Civilized" does not mean willfully exploited.
Let me see how many other authoritarian dictatorships do public executions: Iran, North Korea, Yemen, but none of them broadcast them in live streaming. The only other occurrence of a live streamed execution was with the ISIS
If the US decides to livestream the execution, they will, of course, not do anything as crass as what ISIS did and put it in dark web or something.
No, they're going to be classy people, and put it on pay per view! With crypto shitcoin rugpull sponsorship. That's what we expect from the Trump administration at this point as a bare minimum. They will sink even lower in manners that are hard to predict, however.
I think for NK it's more related to access to the internet and infrastructure not able to handle streaming. They may show it via terrestrial and would have the infrastructure for that. It wouldn't depend on American / external services to manage this.
I think the only firing squad execution worth watching since WWII would be one where it is Donald J. Trump who is being fired on.
The revolution will not be televised.
God, I’d actually pay to watch that. They could market it for ppv. Lots of people would pay for that I expect.
I'd just pirate it.
Nah, you gotta support them so they know to do more fascist executions :)
This is nothing short of a clear threat to anyone that stands in opposition of the MAGA dictatorship. However, it won’t be the deterrent that they think it will be.
They think this will put all the liberals in line for fear of this happening to them, but it really will just fire everyone up to stand against their fascist shit even more.
And it also serves as a clear example that we are not doing enough to stop this criminal organization and need to step it up to their level- VERY soon.
It just gives the signal that violence is ok now
It's never going to happen from the general public. Sorry to burst your bubble.
The only hope left is that there are some true Americans left in the military that are able to work together. Hopes not high for that either, as it would have happened by now.
Not in the US but agree. You have to, even if you can't be sure its fair
The only hope left is that there are some true Americans left in the military that are able to work together.
This is not the only hope left, this is just one of the more ideal solutions.
Hopes not high for that either, as it would have happened by now. It's never going to happen from the general public. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I really need people who say doomer shit like this to:
Reflect on whether their words encourage solution-oriented thinking, or unproductive doom spirals
Learn some emotional regulation
It’s much easier for people, especially on Lemmy, to be doomists. It means they don’t have to do anything other than watch the world burn.
That’s much easier than giving a shit and doing something, even if it’s small.
Eh, it’s not worse on Lemmy than I’ve seen it on any other platform, but yeah, you’re not wrong. If we think there’s nothing we can do, we will do just that.
Sorry to again burst both your bubbles but I'm not a citizen of your shithole country.
Regardless, I am still definitely making way more of an effort to stop fascism than the average American. But then again that's not saying much.
Honestly, go ahead and do it. Show the world how far America has fallen.
America deserves to be in the same category as terrorists who produce beheading videos. This ensures it.
100%. They've been sleepwalking into this shit for 30-40 years, have spent the last two doing "shocked Pikachu" and REFUSING to fight back while the other side escalates into a full sprint.
At this point they deserve whatever MAGA gives them and I no longer give a shit- the best I can hope for is that their inaction comes back and bites them so hard the US becomes a cautionary tale for every other country where the far-right is gaining steam.
I thought I was being a bit vitriolic, but you're literally just a fascist. What a horrific take. You would have cheered on the Holocaust.
As far as I'm concerned, you just wished death on all my trans brothers and sisters.
Their take has the politics of like the bleakest possible form of defeatism: giving up and letting it happen to you, while hoping that something good might come out of you being steam-rolled. They're not a fascist.
Idk sometimes people gravitate to the most hopeless political positions they can find and adopt them because if suffering is inevitable, then you're more able to accept it on your terms and it feels more manageable. There's a good quote somewhere I can't remember that says the apocalypse has become an escapist fantasy from the real world.
I suspect @wizardoffrobozz@lemmy.ca does not live in the US, and like the rest of us is getting sick of the overflowing toilet spreading turds all over the house.
It's extraordinarily frustrating to have no part in US happenings, but to be directly impacted by the dumbassery.
Things have been getting progressively worse for the last 10 years and Americans haven't done anything about it. Perhaps you personally have, but Trumpism is the great shame of all Americans - your shared burden.
What you've just encountered is how most of the world feels about the US. No one actually wants you or your trans brethren or any other minority group to suffer, but there's nothing we can do to help you either.
It's not hyperbole to suggest that the best influence Trump can produce overseas is a cautionary tale demonstrating what happens if you elect right wing idiots.
So, with the greatest respect to you personally, I have to inform you that my respect for Americans generally is at an all time low.
It’s extraordinarily frustrating to have no part in US happenings, but to be directly impacted by the dumbassery.
Congratulations! Now you know how most Americans feel too in this fundamentally undemocratic country.
Literally all it would take for me to give Americans even an ounce of respect would be for them to make even the most modest effort to live up to the national mythology they’ve spent the better part of a century congratulating themselves for and belligerently forcing down everyone else’s throats.
No, I don’t hold other countries to the same standard, because they haven’t spent generations lecturing the rest of the world about their unparalleled courage, their moral superiority, and their supposedly instinctive resistance to fascism. They made fighting for freedom the centerpiece of their national identity. They demanded admiration for it. They treated any failure to provide that admiration as an insult. And now, when history finally asks them to demonstrate a fraction of the courage they’ve spent eighty years taking credit for, the pants-pissing cowards decide they’re helpless little babies and HOW DARE YOU, FOREIGNER?
Later. Cowards get blocked.
So do fascists
So you're a pro-death Nazi asshole?
because that's what you've written.
Stop dressing your cowardice up as helplessness.
Stop dressing up your violent chest-beating as being anything other than you cosplaying as an antifascist. You're just some keyboard warrior wannabe.
The marginalized people who will be the first to lose their lives aren't cowards. The blood of the activists fighting the hardest will the the first to flow through our streets.
If you wish this evil on us, you're a fucking Nazi.
The kind of shit you post when you don’t know that in the last couple years we’ve had multiple of the largest protests in human history. Sorry they didn’t make the fascist news media that is apparently your only source of info
Trump is trying to turn you against regular people in the USA (just like he wants to turn regular people in the USA against you) and it sounds like it’s working.
Wait… you think the SIZE of the protest matters one bit? When the thing you’re opposing gets WORSE following your protest?
Also, let’s call it what it was. It was a parade. And yes, it was very big and cute.
Unfortunately for white liberals in the US, protesting isn’t an end in itself unless you’re just using it as a way to telegraph that you’re “on the right side.”
Outcomes matter- and the only outcome of the once-every-four-months, “scheduled in advance,” “peaceful” No Kings parade was to communicate to MAGA that they are free to continue doing what they’re doing because their opposition is easily ignored and absolutely nothing to be afraid of.
That literally sounds like something Al-Qaeda or ISIS would do.
There are effectively no differences between the Abrahamic religions, except the flag they carry around their necks. They all love to abuse the defenseless while telling those same people they are “loved”.
Well, just swap a few bits of unverifiable superstitious claims, days of worship, some holidays, etc...but the right wing implementations all turn out to have sick bloodlust, hatred and subjugation of women, gays, intolerance of science, etc...what a weird coincidence.
Pointing this out to any of them results in blind rage, though.
We don't call sisterfuckers like Hegseth Y'all Qaeda for nothing.
There's only one execution I truly want to see, and I hope it is televised.
The Revolution won’t be televised
— Lenin, 1916
Don't be ridiculous.... It will be an NFT rug pull exclusive.
Has anyone read the Wikipedia page of the murderer? It's pretty sad.
Fucking hell. I didn't even read that part. Jesus
It isn't about him, it is about a society that has degenerated to this level to make execution a spectacle. No other civilized nation does this anymore. It makes cruelty part of society.
You don't need 100% participation in something to make it matter.
Not everyone voted for him, but enough support him that it could actually conceivably happen.
No, not voting ≠ voting for Trump or fascism. It's bad and definitely the wrong choice - but it's not the same thing by any means.
Kamala was a bad candidate. I voted for her knowing full well what the CA DoJ was like under her (I worked there, it's corrupt and she did exactly fuck all about it). Being disenfranchised, being disabled, living in non-swing states - there are so many factors that go into why people didn't vote. To simply write off every person in the country because the multi billion dollar propaganda machine was successful is thoughtless.
How does doctor/patient confidentiality apply when your patients are admitting constant streams of war crimes to you?
Right?
The Onion - Published: April 27, 2026
Fuck, no nuance or anything, that's just exactly what they did.
I've been getting back into shape and looking at Pete kegsbreath's 'fitness' videos makes me realize just how out of shape the fucker is.
The Nazis at least had some military victories at first in the Spanish Civil War and until 1942. These guys have NOTHING. They have failed at everything except fleecing people of their money.
I am also very confident that China's acquisition of F35 parts is not accidental. Trump probably sold them for money or some other favors.
Dude struggled lifting 135 on the bench.
I can do that on a bad day. And I suck at benching, too.
I was more interested in his pull up work. I had a hard time with pull ups in the past, and this guy can't even do one. He doesn't even kip properly... For all his alpha male talk he really sucks at it. Even his talk is pretentious and stupid.
I could bench lift that in my early 50s. …as a salaried 50+ hour desk jockey training only 3 hours a week. I am a woman with bio kids. My point? Ladies, start lifting! It’s fun and really great for your confidence. Also, Hegseth is an insecure cunt running from his own long-outdated standards of physical beauty. A child-raping blob like Trump is his personal hero. And he’s somehow even more stupid than Trump which is no small feat. Maybe THATS his true strength.
The Nazis at least had some military victories at first in the Spanish Civil War
The Nationalists were actually losing until Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany helped them. The left and liberals on the Republican side lost because they were not given aid by any outside institutions (well, the leftist in-fighting did not help much either).
The British and French gave 'moral' support to the republicans. The Nazis and Italian fascists sent men and equipment. Wars aren't won by morals. They are won by materials.
There were plenty of other problems with the republican side, but I won't get into them.
They could have also bought the F35 parts from Israel (they’ve done shit like this before, because they are objectively terrible allies).
The history of Israeli-US relations is the definition of 'with friends like these, who needs enemies?'
What a terrorist
He watched ISIS videos on Facebook and loved them
Something something GWOT chickens coming home to roost
They really want you to because they want you desensitized to violence when they start shooting Americans in line to vote.
You're totally right. There are fifty states plus some territories that vote, I don't know how many thousands of local sites, and early voting by multiple means over the next four weeks.
Above and beyond the fact that it is illegal as fuck on the federal level and in many states, armed forces such as ICE cannot possibly show up at all early voting sites and ballot drop boxes and local election offices -- or even a significant number of them -- and they sure as fuck can't do it for four weeks running. There are just too many of them, and too many of us.
So vote now. And check your voting status first via your local state election office and make sure you're still on the rolls.
Hegseth needs to be hanged
Why not a firing squad of fatties, transies, beardos, weirdos, wimps, and radicals?
Because fascists don't get to die like soldiers or resprcted officers. That specific diss is why the nazis were hanged too.
There are lots of non-lethal places to aim at first.
I don't think Elon can handle a gun
I also preferred when we fought and hanged fascists instead of electing them.
And socially ostricized. He is a fucking scum bag.
Eh I'm sure there's someone other than Hegseth who's drunk enough to do the job
The most recent live televised execution that comes to mind was ISIS
This isn’t something civilized people do. It’s something dictators and extremists do.
We used to point at the public beheadings in Saudi Arabia as how barbaric they were and how much more civilized we were. Guess we can't say that now.
That should be reserved for the worst traitors we have ever seen, so...
Hegseth disqualifies as a human being. Fucking psycho.
I grew up watching ISIS and cartel execution videos, some of the worst stuff out there. This is not what the "good guys" are supposed to do. It's just absolutely disgusting. Anyone who supports this is simply a terrorist
Oh look.
Bread has become expensive,
so here come the circuses.
When this is over, we need to recreate that famous photo of Mussolini a few hundred times all over DC. (You know the one.)
They're trying to get us accustomed for when they start lining people up against the wall. Pink Floyd comes to mind
She said, blandly, before doing fuck all about it.
How's the view from your high horse?
Yeah, guy, accusations of moral grandstanding don’t really land when the bar you've failed to clear is not sitting around emboldening Nazis.
And just what, exactly, should we do about it? What are you doing? Organizing a firing squad for the firing squad? Or maybe you just want to sit here complaining that individuals aren’t doing enough to take down the government, based on a single comment, and call it a day.
Bold move considering the crimes the administration have commited.
You couldn’t make this shit up
By the way everyone needs to remind the right-wing that the public execution of Charlie Kirk was cooler, more entertaining, widely approved, and sold more merch.
And thus.....
spoiler
Killing chuds on camera has more mass appeal to Americans than executing a traitor who killed his fellow comrades.
Never gets old.^^
::: spoiler NSFW
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No country has EVER won a war waged on its own people, without massive population loss and/or outside assistance. America can't afford a massive population loss, because we have too many enemies.
Now apply 👆 to these knowns 👇:
- When you can't compete, you coerce.
- When your enemy wants to wage war, you remove their ability to do so.
- Numbers is all they've ever feared.
That's why they're broadcasting this. One man against many, with no hope of escape. Watching in our homes in isolation, all while the socials are being monitored to quell any resistance on them. Never let those with dirty feet walk through your mind. Protect your soul and be neighborly.
I find it disturbing that some Americans glorify violence but vilify love and sex.
- Blood, dismemberment, decapitation? PG13
- Sex? Rated-R
- The F word more than one time? Rated-R
- Okay with public executions, but drag shows are too much.
- Gay people kissing? Woke and against nature
Let them show the world what they are. They've traditionally hidden their heinous ways from media so they can project an image of being the only one moral righteous nation.
Take the mask off. Show us everything.
Like in WWII they should start with all the nazis
Yeah we should use all of these great new ideas on the fascists
I'm 42.
I remember Rotten.com, ogrish and Liveleak.
Unfortunately, I guess Pete does as well.
He probably jerked off to execution vids back in the day.
I saw one second of the Daniel Pearl video and couldn't stomach it.
I clicked on an animal cruelty video, instantly regretted it when I was a teen and it's still in my brain to this day. We need to get our heads straight and stop letting soulless cretins take control.
Stileproject.com too
Ebaumsworld ftw
This was expected. As the US completes the transition to a fascist country, public executions will both keep the little people in line, and provide entertainment. The media will hype up the condemned's crimes, with plenty of Christian references, and it will be promoted as a patriotic sacrament.
I didn't know Dump had an earshaped tongue.
The pro-life party at it again. 🙄
I hope that whoever takes one for the team and sees the execution will screen record it and edit it to make Pigsbreath look even more stupid.
He wants to be an ugly version of this guy?
3hr pre-execution show?
More fool me! Here I was thinking nothing that America’s Trump administration could do or say, no matter how politically and morally bankrupt, no matter how venal or violent, was capable of shocking me any longer. Then I woke to today’s news that one of the Trump cabinet’s bigger boofheads – the uber Christian nationalist, crusader-fantasist and “secretary of war” Pete Hegseth had announced that America would have a public firing squad execution of murderer Nidal Hasan. Reckless global militarisation including a threat at the UN to annihilate Iran, a litany of sexual misconduct allegations against the commander in chief, claims of blatant presidential corruption … they have all ceased to surprise and shock us, so inured has the world become to Donald Trump’s monstrous narcissism and maladministration. But now we have execution TV. Tune in to the livestream on Thursday 3 December to watch a military firing squad shoot the life out of Hasan, the former army psychiatrist who killed 13 people at a US army base in 2009.State-sanctioned killing as entertainment! Yes, the world’s supposedly greatest (or formerly greatest) democracy has arrived at an horrific new moral nadir. The fact that America remains Australia and the west’s most relied-upon and trusted ally despite the global wrecking ball the second Trump administration has proved to be, was already cause for deep concern. But being so closely allied to a country that now wants to turn the execution of a human being – no matter what their crimes – into a live entertainment event, promises to redefine depravity. Given that American states continue to execute so many convicted criminals, where might the United States ultimately draw the line? No doubt the ilk of Hegseth in American society – and elsewhere – will count down the days until they can tune in to the live coverage of Hasan’s execution in droves. Might the audience cry out for more – for livestream cameras in the death chambers across the land of the free? How would this populist administration respond? If you think it is a fanciful question, consider how far American governance and presidential values have slid in the moral murk in the past two years alone. Meanwhile, it is hard to contemplate a more audacious appeal to American society’s darker angels than this looming entertainment event. But there we are. We have arrived. Pass the popcorn, Don, and Pete! It would be heartening today to hear political leaders the world over condemn Hegseth and Trump’s planned introduction of Ghoul TV. But let us please start in Australia, where federal governments have for a long-time opposed capital punishment – let alone turning it into a public spectacle. Will the prime minister and his senior ministers stand up and condemn without qualification this depraved plan for America to livestream an execution? What about the leaders of other political parties here, some of whom have, after all, supported capital punishment? We are waiting. Meanwhile, how much further into the moral quagmire must America wallow before Australia rethinks its craven military dependence on Washington – not least via the reckless shackling of our strategic reliance to the US via the $368bn (and counting) Aukus submarine deal? Announcing America’s decision to turn killing into a form of entertainment, Hegseth said: “It was a radical Islamist attack in uniform inside the ranks, and so he’s going to get a firing squad of soldiers, as it should be, and we’ll make sure that people are able to watch it, that it’s public, because people need to understand there’s serious consequences for these types of things.” America’s defence department later confirmed the execution would be livestreamed. This represents a significant lurch in the US from civilisation towards savagery. You cannot choose your family. But you can choose your friends and allies. And you can also tell them firmly when they have careened off the ethical rails. Actions speak louder than words. And this planned livestreamed execution says it all about what is happening in America today, opening the window ever wider on the Trump administration’s moral vacuity and its paucity of human decency. • Paul Daley is a Guardian Australia columnist
I mean, he rapes children, nothing about him will ever shock me more than that.
Conservatism is a mental disorder.
Republicans come in three types. Those motivated by crazy neoliberal ideology based on the sociopathic views of Ayn Rand (“The virtue of selfishness”) Hayek and Friedman. Both social Darwinists who thought that the markets should decide everything. Xenophobic, usually homophobic, and some overtly racist. Some just want to enrich themselves at the expense of others, seek attention, and thirdly,a hate fuelled repugnant mixture of both. Inept, ignorant, incompetent, stupid, perverted, or deranged.
This neo tech fascism has little in common with conservatism, other than conservatives who can't differentiate of course.
As someone who's been following US politics from the outside for about 20 years now, it's actually very onbrand for them. This is just Vietnam all over again, another ill thought out conflict, inflicted on the population without a vote without discussion, with the expectation that the population will just go along with it, and the oppression of any voices against it (including other politicians in their own party).
The only differences is the thin veneer of validity has gone. They're not even pretending that they're fighting the good fight anymore. This time they are the oppressors, they've gone full mask off.
“I used to wonder how it was possible that Trump could have won in 2016 and then again in 2024, given how emotionally toxic, morally vacant, and psychologically mangled he is. I do not wonder anymore. He won for that exact reason. He was not a candidate. He was a mirror. If you were a racist, you found your guy. If you were a misogynist, you found your guy. If money was your only religion, you found your guy. If your heart was armoured shut, you found your guy. If you mocked disabled people, you found your guy. If you hated intelligent people, you found your guy. If you were a rapist, you found your guy. If you enjoyed golden showers with Russian sex workers, you found your guy. If you had done absolutely nothing to confront your emotional wreckage, you found your guy. If you were a serial cheater, you found your guy. If you were a perpetual bankrupt, you found your guy. If you stiffed honest workers, you found your guy. If you were a conman, you found your guy. If you mocked people’s appearances, you found your guy. If you longed for a toxic Daddy, you found your guy. If you were dissociated and disembodied, you found your guy. If you were unconscionable in every economic dealing, you found your guy. If you lied as naturally as breathing, you found your guy. If you had never eaten a green vegetable, you found your guy. If you were a white supremacist, you found your guy. If your ego contained a hole so large not even the presidency could fill it, you found your guy. If you were a sociopath who cared not one molecule about other humans, you found your guy. If he had only two of these traits, he never would have won. He won because he had hundreds of them, and millions of people recognized themselves in at least one. This has never been about Trump. It has always been about the people who finally had their worst instincts validated. Trump did not create the cruelty, he licensed it. He handed out permission slips for hate. He is merely a symptom of a far deeper disease: collective toxicity. If there is one sentence that explains Trump’s power, it is this: “He says the things I’m thinking.” That is the part that should chill the spine. Who knew that tens of millions of Americans were thinking such unconscionable things about their fellow citizens? Who knew how many white men felt so threatened by women and challenged by minorities that they were ready to torch democracy to feel big again? Who knew that after decades of apparent progress on race and gender, so many people were living in seething resentment, waiting for a demagogue to legitimize their worst selves and convert their bitterness into political power? We were living in a fool’s paradise. We aren’t anymore." — Michael Jochum
Yep. All of this. In just about every conversation about conservatives, it seems someone raises the spectre of what conservatism is really supposed to be about.
I'm not sure it's all that useful to really delineate between what conservatives do and this theoretical version of conservative that largely seems to live in the minds of people like David Brooks.
Even in one of the most canonical examples of the "true" conservative - William F. Buckley, the conservative's conservative - we quickly see how that kind of thing is deflated - he's often thrown out there as some kind of standard-bearer who "stood up" to things like the Birchers (but then still had backchannels to them). He not only hurled a gay slur, but threatened physical violence on the air. And the book that put him on the map is the same kind of whining invective we see today from the right about how the universities are indoctrinating the children. And he wrote it 75 years ago.
Disgusting pig of a man. They're probably going to have betting wagers to see how fast this guy dies.
So, I know the US army now bans trannys, fatys, beardos, weirdos, which seems like a good start.
BUT, what about short dick guys? Would a serious army really allows it? And, let's say those who grew up with 2 moms, or without a dad for example. Do Americans wants their enemy to go "Haha, American soldiers are so lame even their dad didn't love them haha." . How about the women, the lazy Blacks and Hispanics, people who are poor, guys who are less than 6 feet tall, dudes that didn't had sex with at least 50 women, any type of minorities, etc.? Is the strongest country in the world really gonna allow this type of pussys to join it's army? If Hegseth is serious is gonna ban all these losers and only allows whiten blonde conservatives with a huge dick and a six figure paycheck to join the force, otherwise it will be called the farce.
This is really stupid because desensitizing the public to violence in such a way doesn't typically end well for those in charge, historically speaking.... It's evident thinking isn't their strong suit...
Sure, shoot Trump. We'll all watch that.
I believe the word you're looking for is "wont"
That’d be unfair to the goat :(
This shit is Indoctrination 101 and how people get radicalized. Isis and other terrorist groups have livestreamed their own executions too, and for good reason. There is zero possibility Kegseth is not using this event for exactly this reason. He wants MORE terrorists and more martyrs, not fewer.
Here's the shooter's Wikipedia page for anyone not familiar. Like another commenter said, it's sad.
There are reason why public execution is bad idea and abolished for good, it waste of time and ultimately just propaganda tools to incite fear for masses, until that fear turn to rage, the rest is history.
This is a horrible decision, but I think it might bring some good.
Publicizing the execution of the asshat will only create propaganda for Islamic extremists. They will praise and celebrate him as a martyr. And if he shouts something in Arabic just before he's shot or uses his last words to endorse Islamic extremism this will only get worse.
At the same time, the American people have become out of touch. We live in what's objectively one of the safest societies humanity has ever created. Our news media hides anything bloody, even our 'violent bloody movies' are usually more cartoonish than realistic. And so a large majority of Americans go their lives without any exposure to real violence.
Thus we sit in our safe little ivory towers and debate things like capital punishment and military action as abstract, academic concepts with no real visceral understanding of their reality. Very very very few Americans have ever witnessed another human die.
My point is- I think we've done ourselves a disservice. And I think/hope that actually seeing executions performed might make the American people decide this isn't what we need in our society.
My one concern though is that we've gone too far down the rabbit hole- that the American people will actually like this and it will become a spectacle, that the public will gather a taste for blood. That would be worse.
Publicizing the execution of the asshat will only create propaganda for Islamic extremists. They will praise and celebrate him as a martyr. And if he shouts something in Arabic just before he’s shot or uses his last words to endorse Islamic extremism this will only get worse.
Nobody in the middle east even knows who Nidal Hasan is nor will they even get mad about his execution.
What they will do however is skim another pathetic and bizarre story in the news about America. The same people who have been lecturing (and bombing, massacring, shooting, raping them as well) them for decades about how backward and extremist their Islamic cultures are.
Not even the current mass murders being committed by the US can spawn a single drop more of anti-American extremism because the hatred is already saturated. They can't hate America any more than they already do, but mostly: nobody in the middle east sees the US as a serious threat to their nations, religion or way of life any more and Iran, as many have long predicted, will be the region's new hegemon.
All they have to do is wait for it to die and then it will be little more than a painful memory.
Our economy is in shambles, our government is corrupt as fuck; generally the only things you can do to placate the plebs in these sorts of situations is to give them bread and circuses, (entertainment.) This is mean to pacify the base, and to intimidate anyone that isn't part of the base.
Very very very few Americans have ever witnessed another human die.
On sites like Watch People Die, they do it all the time. That's the thing about this execution. The only people who will be watching it will be the people who are subscribed to /h/execution. It's almost like Hegseth is going for the ultimate Internet clout. I'm curious what his username is there.
I've worked in places before where you had to deal with human bodies being transported and the number of people who couldn't even handle knowing there was a dead body IN A BOX nearby was shocking. Like the thing is hermetically fucking sealed dude. Relax.
I guess Secratary Cosplay doesn't understand how martyrdom works.
I think Meta, Nat-C twitter, Youtube would stream it. The capitalists CEO's wouldn't dare upset the fascist powers that be.
Probably would all have a promo like starship troopers too since this administration loves to unironically emulate it.
Considering that chemical companies have boycotted execution systems for some time now it would supporise me if it was supported by Meta, Google or Amazon (more specifically there staff). However if they want to maintain there tax brakes they may not have an option.
I could see it being supported in the back end and have some no name unlisted video where you can only get to it directly.
The question is not if, but whether or not they would air with toddlers and tiara orgy edition. Which you know they will push for as an 'anti pedo' show to show people what to look out for, you see.
Hey... Next step, why not live stream and monetize the next mass shooting at school?
Doing evil for doing evil thing... You know a little bit more. Nobody will mind.
After that... When everybody be used to this shootertainment... Why not live stream the primary school's one?!
Obviously /s.
They're almost there
I'd say when the time comes we should return the favor. But nah. Dingy back alley then gasoline on the body afterwards. No pomp.
Modern problems, modern solutions.
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This is fetish content for him and his supporters.
Wait til he sees how many people tune in to see him executed!
How to reanimate ISIS in one easy lesson? will they be wearing the ISIS orange jumpsuit too?
A barbaric display that had disappeared from modern society by 1900. Takes US society back to the barbarous spectacles of Rome.
A cop played his Breanna Taylor's body cam footage was played at his book gathering in a restaurant. Black people DO NOT hang themsleves from trees. (But the kkk do when someone within is promoted to a certain titled rank). Gaza has been live streamed in 5G. "The Purpose of Propaganda is to make one set of people forget that other sets of people are human." -Aldous Huxley If everything was hopeless, propaganda would not be necessary. The best propaganda trick was making people think that fascists only look like nazis.
More fool me! Here I was thinking nothing that America’s Trump administration could do or say, no matter how politically and morally bankrupt, no matter how venal or violent, was capable of shocking me any longer. Then I woke to today’s news that one of the Trump cabinet’s bigger boofheads – the uber Christian nationalist, crusader-fantasist and “secretary of war” Pete Hegseth had announced that America would have a public firing squad execution of murderer Nidal Hasan. Reckless global militarisation including a threat at the UN to annihilate Iran, a litany of sexual misconduct allegations against the commander in chief, claims of blatant presidential corruption … they have all ceased to surprise and shock us, so inured has the world become to Donald Trump’s monstrous narcissism and maladministration. But now we have execution TV. Tune in to the livestream on Thursday 3 December to watch a military firing squad shoot the life out of Hasan, the former army psychiatrist who killed 13 people at a US army base in 2009.State-sanctioned killing as entertainment! Yes, the world’s supposedly greatest (or formerly greatest) democracy has arrived at an horrific new moral nadir. The fact that America remains Australia and the west’s most relied-upon and trusted ally despite the global wrecking ball the second Trump administration has proved to be, was already cause for deep concern. But being so closely allied to a country that now wants to turn the execution of a human being – no matter what their crimes – into a live entertainment event, promises to redefine depravity. Given that American states continue to execute so many convicted criminals, where might the United States ultimately draw the line? No doubt the ilk of Hegseth in American society – and elsewhere – will count down the days until they can tune in to the live coverage of Hasan’s execution in droves. Might the audience cry out for more – for livestream cameras in the death chambers across the land of the free? How would this populist administration respond? If you think it is a fanciful question, consider how far American governance and presidential values have slid in the moral murk in the past two years alone. Meanwhile, it is hard to contemplate a more audacious appeal to American society’s darker angels than this looming entertainment event. But there we are. We have arrived. Pass the popcorn, Don, and Pete! It would be heartening today to hear political leaders the world over condemn Hegseth and Trump’s planned introduction of Ghoul TV. But let us please start in Australia, where federal governments have for a long-time opposed capital punishment – let alone turning it into a public spectacle. Will the prime minister and his senior ministers stand up and condemn without qualification this depraved plan for America to livestream an execution? What about the leaders of other political parties here, some of whom have, after all, supported capital punishment? We are waiting. Meanwhile, how much further into the moral quagmire must America wallow before Australia rethinks its craven military dependence on Washington – not least via the reckless shackling of our strategic reliance to the US via the $368bn (and counting) Aukus submarine deal? Announcing America’s decision to turn killing into a form of entertainment, Hegseth said: “It was a radical Islamist attack in uniform inside the ranks, and so he’s going to get a firing squad of soldiers, as it should be, and we’ll make sure that people are able to watch it, that it’s public, because people need to understand there’s serious consequences for these types of things.” America’s defence department later confirmed the execution would be livestreamed. This represents a significant lurch in the US from civilisation towards savagery. You cannot choose your family. But you can choose your friends and allies. And you can also tell them firmly when they have careened off the ethical rails. Actions speak louder than words. And this planned livestreamed execution says it all about what is happening in America today, opening the window ever wider on the Trump administration’s moral vacuity and its paucity of human decency. • Paul Daley is a Guardian Australia columnist
Dan Carlin did a mini episode of Hardcore History about torture and execution and the first like 20 minutes is him talking about the morality and psychology of consuming it as entertainment and hypothosizing how that could come to be in modern times. Aaannd we're here.
The brutalization effect, yep. If you want a more unstable, violent society, this is one of your tools as a state terrorist.
Bloodthirsty fucking bastards
No thanks, I'm good.
If it's trump, I'm in.
Can we have gladiatorial combats to the death next? How about people being torn apart by wild animals?
guiliani wants trial by combat.
Rehabilitation night!
That is just plain disgusting.
Rear echelon motherfucker.
So they’re going to give him publicity by letting him die in the most metal way possible?
For a second I thought you meant the prisoners.
Don't get your hopes up Pete. Yours won't be nearly as clean and dignified. And I bet you'll cry too.
That oily news anchor really should be put in a mental hospital...
I thought there was a firing squad execution like a year or two ago?
I think they mean first "military execution" in more than 60 years rather than the method.
Oh my God.
Not a capital punishment fan but if it were me I'd much prefer this to this depressing lethal injection nonsense. And yeah, I'd want an audience to. Barbaric to judge anyone to death but if you're going to do that at least give them some choices re the method.
I mean, the optics of that would be utterly devastating. They lack so much self awareness, similar to some other historical political parties which shall remain unnamed.
Wish granted: THE PUBLIC WATCHES HEGSETH BEING BLINDFOLDED
Did the fucking NKVD and RSHA perform this kind of shit too?
I mean the NKVD was executing people during WW2 pretty frequently idk about it being public persay. But they were also being invaded by the Nazi's at the time and were basically just killing anyone they suspected of being a Nazi Sympathizer or Nazi. I think they also did a few public hangings immediately after the war for people the Soviet Military Tribunals found guilty of war crimes. So Nazi War Criminals in that case.
So, idk if you can compare that to the global hegemonic superpower the United States deciding "Wouldn't it be cool if we live streamed shooting this guy?". Now am I saying every single person the NKVD killed deserved it? Certainly not. It's impossible to be entirely precise when doing massive operations like they did, but it's also certainly more justified when you are the victim of a war of extermination from the Nazi War Machine rather than yknow... just doing it for fun I guess?
Who’s going to provide the stream? Any advertisers left with some decency? Surely some will pull out. It’ll be hard to keep up the stream if it’s not an established service. I hope it gets DDOSed to high hell.
I’m sure he is. Have they done livestreams in the past though?
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Shitty, but not Christians
Not first though. The first one performed by the military.
Unironic support. Capital punishment gives satisfaction to victim families. Imagine if you did this for slam dunk rape cases.
Let me give clarity, not all Republicans are Christians, and not all Christians are Republican!
I don't consider myself a believer or practice religion anymore, but dude, you're feeding stereotypes so hard, it's offensive and I'm not either of the above!
It's kind of pitiful when you're part of the problem, adding fuel to the fire of divide! It's not left vs right, is us vs the ultra wealthy! If they disappear, the rest of us thrive!
the venn diagram is basically a perfect circle with indistinguishable borders
True. And yet so many things are decided on razor-thin margins.
gerrymandering does that :/
and court packing. and destruction of institutions and merit
Christian Nationalists
Nat-C’s, if you will.
How do you pronounce that? English is not my first language. Sory foor bat English!
Take your kumbya crap elsewhere.
Nobody's singing kumbaya at all. But not all Republicans are Christians, nor shitty. No, I'm not either. Yes Trump is bad. But the reason all the dems bitch about fumbling elections and not getting their shit together is because they're also owned by fucking billionaires. It's a little tug on either direction, and nobody wins long term.
Wake up, bro! Billionaire class owns us!
But not all Republicans are Christians, nor shitty
If someone is willingly sitting at a table with 9 Nazis, there are 10 Nazis at that table. So yes, anyone who willingly calls themselves a Republican at this point is no different than the Nazis of old. It's been TEN YEARS- minimum
Not all Republicans are shitty
Yes they fucking are. Have you been in a 40 year coma or something?
K. Nice talking to you.
I'd be happy as ever if he did run or win. Those were the cards dealt, unfortunately, because the billionaires knew they could manipulate him.
Nearly half the country considers themselves independent, or at least not Democrat or Republican. So there's a lot more "blame" than just die hard Republicans... If you're playing that game. Three are also a ton of people over 65 who only vote Republican, because "less taxes and less gov overreach or involvement" because that's what's been preached for so long.
Again, if so many shitting on me realized the manipulation that pits left vs right instead of getting angry at the billionaires class, controlling both sides, we could overthrow the 2 party system, elect someone actually fresh and uncontrolled, and start to fix this place, starting with executive orders on wealth taxes and undoing all the damage from all of Trump. That's the only way to move forward. Actually.
Pete Hegseth's Christian rhetoric reignites scrutiny after the U.S. goes to war with Iran
In Pentagon briefings, Hegseth leans into religious rhetoric
Pete Hegseth's New Religious Affairs Office Sparks a Legal Church-State Fight
Pete Hegseth’s holy war: the militant Christian theology animating the US attack on Iran
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Hegseth is using religion to relate to people IMO. He doesn't give a shit, nor believe in any religion. Pulling on heartstrings or trying to influence through propaganda. Nothing new. Not all "Christians" should get a bad rep from a few bad eggs. Same goes for anyone left or progressive. There are bad eggs everywhere, not everyone buys into the bullshit.
So sorry we blamed Republicans for doing the evil things they admit to doing. You poor thing.
K. Thanks for your input.
I know plenty of reputable and humble Christians. Of you think of all the bad shit you see on TV, yes, they're brought to light, but so many other people who are "religious" try to lead better lives, set examples, donate time or money. No, you don't need religion to be a better person, but I know plenty of people who uses it like a sort of meditation. A break from life, a chance to hear a good message about servitude, etc.
Not every "ChRiStIaN" is going to be a self-righteous asshole or think they're better or smarter than everyone. They do exist.
As for Republicans, I know plenty who fucking hate Trump, despise him. Both elections. Voted blue. They "lean" Republican but are more centric. But you're stuck "choosing sides" more often than not, and that's now by design.
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Everyone understands that. That's not a question.
All this will do is provide something inside these terror networks to play over and over and over to their recent converts. A public execution of these radical attacks only serves to encourage more of the exact same thing. There's no part of it that's discouraging.
These terror networks will literally play it over and over again. They will tell their people. "Hasan killed 13 of them and he is now dead and in heaven for his actions. The US will make you all martyrs and your kin will know your acts."
Like Hegseth has literally no clue who he is dealing with. The people who he acts like this will discourage, all it will do is make happier to jump at the chance to have the same thing happen to them. He's going to make the best recruitment tool for these terror organizations.
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