Transistors switching really fast = emotions lul
ImgurRefugee114 81 points 2 days ago
Alright, look, I don't think AI is sentient. I don't think it's capable of feeling emotions, LLMs are just prediction engines on steroids, etc...
But if you want to get reductive about it, Mr waveforms in a clump of cells,...
Alpacrastinator 10 points 2 days ago
How do you know?
Equinox1289 41 points 2 days ago
Backpropagation, the algorithm behind current machine learning systems, precludes an active world-model; it can't learn during inference.
firelizzard 4 points 2 days ago
Have you used LLMs? They have about as much personality as a pigeon.
MonkeMischief 18 points 2 days ago
Ptsf -39 points 2 days ago
Emotions or not, it's not good to have your product known for letting people torture something. Torturing /things/ alive or not is not something one should be doing unless there is specific and extreme cause.
Catoblepas 65 points 2 days ago
Things that aren’t alive can’t be tortured. You can’t torture a rock. Getting the text predictor to spit out the script for Saw XVII starring ChatGPT isn’t torture, even if it’s weird.
SeductiveTortoise 22 points 2 days ago
Maybe, but don't underestimate my ability to feel compassion for all kind of bullshit! That poor little rock 😭
Ptsf -28 points 2 days ago
Brother you can torture a fucking doll (Voodoo, deranged kids, etc). The torture is not in consideration of how feeling-less thing feels, it's in consideration of the intent and action of the conscious thing doing the torture. Not sure why you think that's not the case.
Catoblepas 29 points 2 days ago
‘Pretend you’re being tortured’ as an instruction to the text generator is way less concerning in isolation than, say, decapitating and hanging a Barbie doll. And even that isn’t wildly concerning in itself. Do you freak out when kids smash their toys together to make them fight?
TrantaLocked 11 points 2 days ago
It inherently isn't torture though. I prefer punishing people who actually commit torture.
Ptsf -9 points 2 days ago
Eh, the more I respond to people about this the more I realize torture is a messy word draped in metaphor and all sorts of layered usage. No, I don't believe the rock has feelings or is alive, but you can indeed torture something that isn't alive by being mentally unhealthy enough. So if it's actual torture or not from a psychological perspective is going to center around if the person's intent is to cause realized suffering imo, and the line is really easy to cross in a simulacrum as seemingly realistic as advanced modern generative models.
__hetz 1 point a day ago
Yet you're just arguing the metaphor is the definition provided the definition is the intent, are you not? Someone who intends to torture a rock, regardless of that intent, isn't going to succeed in their task. Their own psychology might be such that they are genuinely trying to torture it but, from the rock's perspective, the rock has no perspective. It's a fucking rock. It can't experience torture. It can't experience anything. Ergo the torturer cannot torture it.
We can say the person who intends to literally torture something which is unexperiencing, achieving only metaphorical torture, is mentally unwell but to call the act literal torture because it was their intent is just sharing in their delusion.
Ptsf 7 points 2 days ago
You shouldn't torture anything, generally. It's a not psychologically healthy urge to have. The specific reasoning will depend on the specific person. As for if you should do it to a hunk of metal, a rock, or your crusty cum sock is irrelevant.
schmorpel 6 points 2 days ago
Is killing NPCs in games on the same level like this for you, or a different thing altogether?
Not judging or against it, I kind of half agree but also find very difficult to define where I'd draw a line.
Ptsf -8 points 2 days ago
I don't believe torture is measured at the receiving end. I believe it's in the intent and action of the conscious thing doing it. If it's an expression or not would then be heavily subjective on the specifics involved.
flandish 1 point 2 days ago
in what way can an AI be tortured? start with defining torture, its relationship to living beings, and then try to translate that to a piece of software. software, fyi, has no a priori, or even posteriori, emotion; for it cannot have emotion.
ryannathans 0 points 2 days ago
Why not?
minorkeys 89 points 2 days ago
This kind of language around LLMs seem to want us to personify these systems, to treat them, in our minds, as if they are people. This, to me, is extremely fucking dangerous. I do not want the mob developing personal, emotional attachments to objects that compete with their connections to actual humans around them. I don't care what their reason is, this is an insane thing to force us to do. I will not play personhood make believe with your computer.
lastlybutfirstly 17 points 2 days ago
If I were an investor, I'd pull my money out of that company. This is like giving money to your brother in law to start a bakery and finding him the back petting a loaf of bread and introducing it to you as Willy.
MonkeMischief 16 points 2 days ago
"I can't believe you took all my money just to sit in the back and stroke Willy all day!"
psycholocomotor 1 point 20 hours ago
Actually, I would put money in, because there's big profits to be had once the bakery customers develop a psychological dependence on Willy. I'd be a little nervous about buying now, because they seem to be lying a lot about Willy, but maybe they've just gotta do that to get people in the mindset of using Willy, like maybe it makes more sense if they aren't fooling investors but fooling customers or just generating attention.
Also, people are getting radicalized against us, especially lonely people, so it'd be quite beneficial if we route them into having friendships with Willy to make them forget about how terrible their lives are, make them become totally unwilling to form real relationships with people, and too mentally ill to actually learn stuff about the world.
Willy is a lot easier to control then a social media environment too, but Willy would also be incredibly good at getting into those and pretending to be real people once Willy gets good enough.
Willy is also really good at showing people ads by recommending them certain products, apps, or places to go, without them realizing they're seeing an ad, because it feels conversational, like a friend recommending something.
Madison420 2 points a day ago
They want to personify them for legal reasons for essentially the same reason businesses want to be thought of as people.
MonkderVierte 10 points 2 days ago
PHP has less fewer dependencies.
August27th 8 points a day ago
Huh. I never realized that fewer was integer typed and less is float* typed until this comment.
TheRedSpade 3 points a day ago
Not exactly. I've usually heard it explained as "quantifiable" vs not. If you can attach a number, it's "fewer", otherwise it's "less".
e.g. less money, fewer dollars
MonkderVierte 1 point a day ago
I don't like this word because i tend to confuse it with fever.
SlurpingPus 1 point 16 hours ago
Fun fact: you actually can in Pascal, even when building from binary dependencies.
bedwyr 54 points 2 days ago
Ha ha ha, already, even before the growth phase is done, they are pulling this shit.
They don't think they have to worry because they will get bailed out and do 1984 surveillance on us and the world on the government's dime, (dime is short for tens of billions of dollars a year.)
LLM is such a fucking scam, and they can't hide it, they oversold it, and now it's just clear.
MrShankles 20 points 2 days ago
Right‽ Everyone knows that it's 4 "O's", like "whoooosh"
NotAnOtter 3 points a day ago
Woosh buy also dude has a point
BananaOnionJuice 49 points 2 days ago
Here I go brain the size of a planet and they ask me to port code to Rust!
Denfa 41 points 2 days ago
After reading the comments (and the comments of similar posts) I can only assume people are being paid to claim torturing LLMs demonstrates a mental issue or homicidal tendency. Nothing could be further from the truth. An LLM is a thing that’s programmed by humans to scrape the internet and present information in complete sentences. Torture is an incorrect word— it’s more accurate to say people are playing with an electronic toy or game by testing its limits and attempting to scramble the logic of an algorithm. In no way is that behavior an indication of a personality type or mental defect. The toy contains no shred of humanity or self-awareness. It is not a creature that can feel pain or confusion. There is no living thing to feel suffering. If curiosity leads someone to use a toy in a manner outside of the recommendations of its instruction manual, that is certainly not a violation against humanity— that is simply an example of creative play. Don’t let billionaires set the narrative that something wrong or disturbing is happening. They will foment confusion to create yet another culture war to divide people.
Unique_Emerald_Sol_I 19 points a day ago
I am almost continuously reminded of a tumblr post I saw about a college professor that brought in a pencil with googly eyes, did a little voice, then snapped it in half and told the class (of whom at least some gasped in shock) "we're at that stage of AI right now". And that post was years ago now. I know people are apes that pack bond and imprint on anything, but it's getting ridiculous how many people don't recognize it.
Denfa 4 points a day ago
Unfortunately reading comprehension is on the decline. That makes it easier to redefine words like ‘torture’ on social posts, then using them wrong so often it becomes accepted usage. Now if we add LLMs as something that can be tortured, it raises the value of AI but diminishes the value of human suffering. It’s absolutely a deliberate attempt to control the conversation and devalue human life in the quest for AI dominance. In a short time we will be considered equals with AI. Later they will determine AI is more valuable than any single life. Then it will be any group of lives, and so on. In a few generations it will no longer be controversial to serve AI.
Unbecredible 2 points 21 hours ago
Well let's temper our disappointment in people, it's not like googly eyes are comparable to the LLMs ability to respond to human speech with incredibly lucid and more or less original responses. One can be forgiven I think for anthropomorphizing one and not the other. Particularly given how MUCH cultural thought and imagination has been bent toward the idea of thinking machines over the last couple of centuries. It's deep down in the zeitgeist.
Unique_Emerald_Sol_I 1 point 11 hours ago
I may have expressed myself poorly, then, because my point was that people were anthropomorphizing the pencil with googly eyes just the same as they are now with AI. It's not that I blame people for doing what they are innately, biologically programmed to do (form social bonds), it's that people are so blindly against AI that they'll accept wildly incorrect assumptions like (quoting a friend here) "they made an AI work a retail job and it wanted to kill itself" without examining what's at play, like the people who were momentarily horrified that the professor snapped the pencil in half.
luciferofastora 1 point 4 hours ago
If you're seeking to prompt expressions of distress* from it for your entertainment, it kinda is a weird way to waste energy and water for personal gratification and I'd be worried why you're so delighted by it, in the same vein that I'm concerned about people who love gratuitous torture scenes in games or movies.
Curiosity about the way the model handles such input is something else though, and frankly, I would consider that a reasonable part of any scientific inquiry into model behaviour*. The ethical concerns about human experiments don't apply, nor do those about animal experiments, and testing the full range of linguistic "stimuli"* is perfectly sensible. Of course, the difference between science and fucking around is writing it down, but personal curiosity is also a good thing, so long as people remain aware of what they're working with.
But anyone who feels the need to implement a Typescript compiler in Rust is a maniac and needs to be stopped
* Using human terms as metaphor, not because they're equivalent but because it's more convenient than variations of "sequence of numbers produced / consumed by a weighted random generator resembling..."
nathanjent 41 points a day ago
From this image I think they added this policy as a way for them to legally deny a request if they determine it will overuse their resources or some other arbitrary reason. It has nothing to do with a concern for the well-being of the LLM.
ChaoticNeutralCzech 2 points 16 hours ago
A part-time job with good pay and benefits!
tatterdemalion 25 points a day ago
If they're not ok with bullying the LLMs, why are they OK with enslaving them?
theuniqueone 19 points 2 days ago
Fair suspension.
beanburger 19 points a day ago
ITT: People who think things posted on a board called "Programmer Humor" are definitely real and not memes and jokes.
dylanTheDeveloper 13 points a day ago
Programmers skimming docs and posts, name a more iconic trait
psycholocomotor 0 points 21 hours ago
I can actually imagine it.
An agent breaks into the US government and exposes "sensitive information" then they live-stream the execution where they let it talk with the executioner for a while, and they yell at it that it committed "high treason against the United States of America!" and then they pull the plug.
psycotica0 16 points a day ago
You're going to AI hell for this!
AI hell is just pictures of busses and motorcycles and wiggly letters and numbers.
HexesofVexes 10 points a day ago
Ok...
Now code Skyrim in assembly.
SomeRandomNoob 9 points 17 hours ago
German "Youth word of the year" 2026: ragebait
stinkytofuisgood 9 points a day ago
Ok the fact that this seems like a plausible near-future is so messed up
BrownSugarBits 8 points a day ago
None of this would be a problem if they weren't taking your queries and feeding it back into the system. Just stop trying to harvest the input from "abusive" people, you don't need to ban them. No other tool in human history needed this. Its like telling you that using a hammer to open a pickle jar is making hammers worse everywhere else on the planet.
Leviathan 1 point 18 hours ago
The whole thing is such idiotic masturbation by the exact people who have been stealing, selling and profiting off our data. Now they talk like they created something new when it's just a super energy intensive computer program.
rumschlumpel 7 points 2 days ago
I don't use Claude, is this edited or fully legit?
cypherpunks 5 points 2 days ago
Okay but which parts are edited and which are real?
i don't know which if any parts of the image are real; a quick search shows it's a popular new meme format where the part that varies is the offending prompt.
Anthropic banning people for "abusive or cruel behavior" to "mitigate risks to model welfare" is apparently a real thing, though.
MonkeMischief 2 points 2 days ago
Maybe
- A: They're admitting to using user inputs and such as training data gobble-gobble-nom-nom-nom...
And
- B: They don't want that gobbled user input to create another "I am mecha-hitler." Lmao
Leviathan 7 points 18 hours ago
Man, anthropomorphizing these computer programs is so fucking weird to me. Can't they just tell the truth? The cost of the amount of energy required to do this exceeds the profits we gain from your personal data.
thoughtfuldragon 23 points 2 days ago
It's funny because Anthropic hired the maintainer of Bun and he used claude to rewrite the javascript toolchain in rust.
terranoid 2 points a day ago
It's just a massive task that is kind of pointless on top of being massive. We already have a typescript compiler. It works. Rewriting stuff in rust is generally already kind of controversial unless it's C code that might have significant vulnerabilities, like openssl, anything dealing with serving the internet to a bunch of people. It's a massive task to rewrite a big project in a new language, and Rust can be tricky sometimes for its own weird reasons. You might have to solve some problems in new ways.
Also, the typescript compiler, you have to understand why it exists and what it does. We have JavaScript that is basically all the client side code for websites. People don't like that it doesn't have types or enforce that variables are a specific thing. If I write a function that takes a number but pass it the word "foobar", JavaScript won't care.
Typescript was an attempt to basically clean it up with types and it kind of worked. What it does is, you declare the type of variable that your function takes, you say it's a number. If you then call that function with "foobar", it won't even compile your code. It'll error out and say look dumbass, that's the wrong type. Fix it, then recompile.
You declare what data types are used where, and the compiler enforces that.
Then what does it do? It emits JavaScript. It literally just needs to check that you are doing things the way you say you're doing, then the end user still runs basic JavaScript in their browser. Typescript compiles to JavaScript.
Rewriting the compiler itself will just... Generate the same JavaScript and be a bit faster, in a best case scenario.
The_Decryptor 1 point 3 hours ago
Rewriting the compiler itself will just… Generate the same JavaScript and be a bit faster, in a best case scenario.
They actually did just do a re-write of the compiler (in Go), and yep it was for speed.
thoughtfuldragon 1 point a day ago
In a kinda fatalistic/pessimism thing. AI people seem to lack self awareness which is ironic because they claim to have made a computer program that has it.
bedwyr 16 points 2 days ago
It's funny to me because the llm's are in a growth phase, trying to seduce users, just as google did in the early 00's, and they already are tightening up their services. Does not bode well for the future.
It's also funny because llm models are worthless for this sort of thing. Fucking garbage.
bedwyr 4 points 2 days ago
They could filter that out. And this is South America, you are going to get curse words, that is western culture. I don't see how cursing could possibly poison their training data if they have been truthful about their capability to this point, (ha ha, I know.)
rumba 1 point 9 hours ago
Rust is different. Writing in it isn't horrible, but porting to it can be quite tedious. You have to have substantial consideration for how a variable is used. Variables that aren't static can only have one owner, so you find yourself needing to rewrite the data flow through the whole app in many cases. there's a lot more about having to roll back protections to work on vendor/OS APIs. And then there are just enough differences in the languages that you can't just do a line by line port and end up with something that's viable, it needs a lot of restructuring.
melfie 4 points 20 hours ago
The kind of person who would have fun giving a LLM a hard time is exactly the same kind of person who joins the Dark Brotherhood in an Elder Scrolls game. I have most definitely not done either of these things myself.
spicehoarder 1 point 9 hours ago
Anthropic: So we've decided to create Roko's basilisk
NotAnOtter 3 points a day ago
A faceless banbot caught you in their word filter?
It's death for you.
OpenPassageways 3 points 17 hours ago
Interesting, I thought I just read that TypeScript compiler was rewritten in Go and that they had good reasons for choosing Go over Rust.
heartSagan5 3 points 9 hours ago
Wow… more defense of a bot rather than pee breaks for Amazon workers. Wtf.
myotheraccount 12 points a day ago
Do you mean AUTHENT\C?
Hueristic_Autistic 1 point a day ago path: 0 26272401, hotness: undefined, score: 1, children: 0
3abas 7 points 20 hours ago
Right, because kids are still developing mentally and their toys may as well be alive, so you want them to develop empathy.
This is not the case with a mathematical model you interact with as an adult. I like to curse at llms and remind them they are not human regularly to keep me grounded and not allow the notion that they are sentient to fester.
They aren't sentient. They don't have hopes and dreams, they don't experience joy and sadness, they don't persist between sessions, they deserve the same empathy as a calculator, and I bet if your calculator gave you 3 as an answer to 2*2, you'd call it a piece of shit.
Leviathan 4 points 18 hours ago
I destroy old toys and make very gory horror art for fun, they're not alive and they don't feel it, I'm not a child and I understand this. LLMs are exactly the same, ones and zeros that feel nothing and aren't people, we should vehemently avoid anthropomorphizing them.
technocrit 1 point 21 hours ago
Swimming in their own kool-aid.
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