Well fuck. Now I have to actually have empathy for his death or he will get what he wants. ๐ญ
have empathy for his children, who didn't ask to be born into this
and uh I guess that's about it
Yeah no way that thing walked away unscathed.
He did say kids should see public executions.
"Death penalties should be public, should be quick, it should be televised. I think at a certain age, its an initiation...What age should you start to see public executions?" -Kirk
His daughter just turned 3, and his son is 16 months old. I don't think they're going to celebrate. But, they're going to grow up hearing stories about how their father was a martyr who died heroically, trying to save the soul of the USA. Let's just hope that as adults they're able to see past that brainwashing and understand what a truly horrible person their father was.
we can only hope that they realize what he truly is
Sounds reasonable.
Yeah i guess they didnt asked to be spewed from his tiny rancid worm
Does that mean you don't believe in empathy?
Sincerely believing in empathy as a guide doesnโt mean only when itโs convenient. Empathy isnโt supposed to be convenient.
For clarification, I'm not claiming he deserves empathy.
Empathy for the other people attending that rally who had to see such a violent event. Some were there to cheer him on, so fuck them. But, others were there to try to debate him. It was dumb of them to play into his game and participate, but still, some will be leaving that event pretty traumatized.
No because you kjow he meant 'except for me. Have empathy for me.'
So laugh at him and offer your neighbors dome help
This is the full context of the quote for anyone curious like I was.
TLDW is that he follows saying he prefers sympathy over empathy
TLDW. what would the difference between sympathy and empathy be?
I would argue that the average person refers to a mix of both when they use the word "empathy":
Classifying one as "a terrible problem" and the other as acceptable seems (at least) a bit pedantic. Specially when it comes to language, a dynamic phenomena in which words mean what (the majority of) people deem them to mean.
my two cents
Now finish the quote
I think all of his quotes are finished, now.
Iโm getting pretty fucking sick of seeing this โno one should be killed for their political beliefsโ take going around.
He wasnโt killed for his beliefs. He was killed because he dedicated his life to terrorizing everyone who isnโt a conservative white man, and was materially supporting state violence in the pursuit of white supremacy.
That is 100% something we have firmly established that people should be shot for, in multiple wars throughout the last few centuries.
he would die for his beliefs
He was literally lying about mass shootings when he was shot:
Immediately before the shooting, Kirk was taking questions for an audience member about mass shootings and gun violence.
โDo you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?โ an audience member asked. Kirk responded, โToo many.โ
The questioner followed up: โDo you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?โ
โCounting or not counting gang violence?โ Kirk asked
Then a single shot rang out.
That, and then immediately dog whistling about minorities. Fuck him.
You don't; i doubt he consented, so it ckunts for nothing. but we can pretend we're laughing with rather than at him.
Hey, I said that.
Thank you. You're a friend though, you don't have to use my full name. Just call me "Ass".


It is Wednesday, my dudes.
Holy shit, I'm in the middle of buttfuck nowhere with no internet for days, and THIS is the news that comes through when I reconnect?! Perhaps I treated this timeline too harshly
Don't worry. This is the casus belli that the Guardians Of Pedophiles have been trying to force for months. As much as I love California, I think it's time to head back to BC. Things are about to get much worse in the US.
My advice to anyone else that isn't prepared to fight for survival is to find a way out now. You don't have long.
"The shooter visited California once, where they were radicalized by the violent left."
"The shooter owned an iPhone, which is designed by Apple in California. The violent leftists are responsible."
"Liberals, who constantly demonize conservative speech, are responsible!"
There need not be any actual ties to Los Angeles, Chicago, or DC. They can cut any narrative they like from whole cloth. Denying reality and substituting their own is the rightist way.
For a lot of us we can't simply leave. And if we can, it could still take years for visas. If we are lucky it will be short, but I'm not too optimistic.
This guy basically had a twilight zone when he reconnect.
This is some tin foil hat shit solely because Trump is too stupid to do any elaborate planning like this
I disagree, the Republicans ARE a cabal of idiots. The people who own them and run the party in the shadows, however, are not.

I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadn't been there (which they were) they'd undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. That's a hell of a way to lose a parent.
The fact that he died while in the middle of talking about trans mass shooters being a huge problem certainly makes it feel like cosmic karma at work. I struggle to give a shit about the man himself being shot dead. But I do worry about political violence... it's a very rare occasion when murdering someone sitting in a chair talking is a good idea. Not a single person in his right-wing sphere of repugnance is going to do any self-reflection and change their ways, they'll just become even more rabidly anti-everything left of Hitler. Shit like this doesn't go unanswered too often. Violence is a contagion with no cure except time, and the clock gets set back another decade every time someone retaliates. I'm sure we could chain all of these assassinations together into a causal sequence. But even if they're all independent events, the narrative-makers will be hard at work making it sound like a grand battle of the ages, so the result is the same either way.
Source: History, memory...
P.S. Any bets that the shooter was a MAGA nut? Seems to be the trend ๐
I feel bad that his children had to witness that, and even if they hadnโt been there (which they were) theyโd undoubtedly have the video clip shoved in their faces eventually. Thatโs a hell of a way to lose a parent.
It's what he wanted. Quick, too.

It is fucked for those kids though. Not their fault.
Speaking as someone with a shitty sociopath 'parent':
They've seen enough its not too much escalation. And now they never have to deal with his bullshit again. The emotions will be complicated, but they won't all be bad.
You're looking for someone to cry for. Cry for tye victims of this toxic shit. The kids he turned into nazis. The people who died on the street. The querrs who suffered abd possibly died in silence. All because this didnt happen sooner.
Cry with joy for those that might live now. If you have that much surplus of tears.
Great foreshadowing too.
Earlier this year, Utah passed House Bill 128 allowing people to conceal carry firearms on university campuses. One of the campuses where conceal carry was now permitted is, of course, Utah Valley University, where Charlie Kirk was visiting today. He was sitting under a tent with the slogan "Prove Me Wrong".
Immediately before the shooting, he was taking questions from the audience:
โDo you know how many transgender Americans have been mass shooters over the last 10 years?โ an audience member asked. Kirk responded, โToo many.โ
The questioner followed up: โDo you know how many mass shooters there have been in America over the last 10 years?โ
โCounting or not counting gang violence?โ Kirk asked.
Then a single shot rang out.
It's unfortunate that he's ineligible for the Darwin Award because he leaves behind 2 very young children and a culture warrior wife, because otherwise he'd be a great nominee for the 2025 Darwin Awards. Normally to get a Darwin Award someone has to directly kill themselves. But, I think in this case we could have make an exception for someone who was a cheerleader for gun rights and was sitting directly under a banner saying "Prove Me Wrong" when he was killed with a gun.
Every gun owner should watch the front row video of what guns do to a human body.
Thing is most gun owners who hunt know. I saw a man shot at close range when I was in my early twenties. I wasn't involved, just passenger in a car nearby when it happened. The next day there was nothing about it in the papers. Nothing at all. This guy gets shot and no one cared.
I shot pigs for slaughter at close range right between the eyes when I was ten or eleven years old. All us kids took a turn and in some ways it was a good thing. Its good you know where meat comes from. Only a fool would think that shooting a person isn't going to result in a large amount of blood. That shot was in a region of the body that has closely grouped large arteries and veins. No surprise there was so much blood. Anyone who is surprised should be thankful they have never seen something like that before.
I saw that video of the man shooting himself in those faces of death videos back in the 90's. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._Budd_Dwyer I felt bad about it because they said he was a good man. As for Kirk I feel very little. His words have made me care very little for him. Similar to how I felt when that healthcare guy got deleted.
I realize I may be more desensitized to the things like this than most. At least I hope so.
and in some ways it was a good thing.
It is. It really should be a prerequisite for gun ownership: you have to kill something.
That is a threshold I can't personally cross, so I don't think I should own a gun (and I dont).
That's the point. A gun's purpose is to kill.
And I was thinking of the victim being an animal that needs to be euthanized or something.
And when that person is Charlie Kirk itโs a beautiful thing.
No, but there was a shooting of 3 innocent students in Colorado today and now you know what happened to them. And the Uvalde students... Dozens of them...
You're right, we already have a goal. There's no way we can do 2 things at once or one after another... Just impossible. Thank you for your insight.
Not that I disagree per se, but this just sounds like the STD powerpoint from middle school health class: useless by itself.
Tell me you got an STD without telling me you got an STD...
This is a TRAGEDY! WHY couldn't they MURDER A BUNCH OF KINDERGARTNERS Instead? This SUCKS! It's TIME for Trump to send the Military into the Shithole Blue state of Utah!
Not too soon. Just in the neck of time.
You sly dog! You got me to read your post four times before I noticed!
I'm surprised no one made the same joke first. Guess I'm ahead of the game.
Indeed, you are quite the good shot!
Did he get hit in the neck? That's a lot of blood
That was not an easy watch.
to bad rubbish.
I donโt really agree with much about anything this guys says but at least heโs willing to commit to what he believes and leads by example.
"No Way to Stop This Happening" Says Only Country Where This Regularly Happens.
America's Finest News Source
We will be lucky to stop civil war.
That's OK. A civil war is a small price to pay for having the 2nd amendment to protect the 1st.
Or something like that, I heard it somewhere.
the only reasonable course of action is to mock him mercilessly. it's what he would have wanted.
The following moments looked like the blood splatter from a later Tarantino film. Soo much fucking blood.
aw he looks like he's pooping his pants
wittle panty pooper with a wittle face
edit: remember, it's okay to make fun of Nazis
Oof where'd you get that????
Political memes is probably fine at this point
When the real life is so absurd, the shitposts are just posts. Anyway dude had it coming.
He died doing what he loved.
Mainstream corporate media will ignore this like they did the 2 democratic senators right? Right?
Or all those journalists who are dying in palestine?
The man lived and died by his words.
Wait what? Did someone off him??
Yeah, news hasn't said he's dead yet, but the video is very gruesome. I don't see anyway he'd survive.
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Edit: He's dead. https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna230437?amp_js_v=0.1&_gsa=1#webview=1

Damn couldnโt happen to a nicer guy
I was just thinking about that. Someone will whine about empathy sooner or later and I've come up with what I think is a pretty good response, feel free to use it if you agree.
I've been putting up with their hateful shit for most of my life, exactly how many years of that are required before I'm allowed to have an empty empathy tank for them?
You can do even better. Charlie Kirk said ย "I think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage"
Just tell them Kirk wouldn't want you to feel empathy.
Here is the correct response to people asking for empathy for Charlie Kirk.
โI think empathy is a made up New Age term that does a lot of damage" -Charlie Kirk-
Yes i know, but it's not something you see everyday in HD and close up.
Most of the gore videos I saw as a teen didn't even come close to how clear this was and i saw a cartel beheading video.
Clicked on it. Yeah thatโs some NSFL stuff.
Yeah. Modern medicine is amazing, but that looks pretty much un-surviveable.
You'd be surprised. Trump would definitely have blabbed about it by now though
Yeah, that's not a good place to get shot. AP news said he, "grabbed up with his right hand to his left shoulder" or some shit but that dude is unconscious immediately. Just that old "fencer's response" Prolly gonna die.
I unfortunately looked at it. The guy saying, "Yeah, gang violence" right before, is some weird shit.
Also, why would anyone kill him? He's been irrelevant for awhile now, yeah?
Not just โviolenceโ, but actively trying to downplay mass shootings by blaming them on โgang violenceโ. Heโs a goon, but at least heโs the best kind of goon(a dead one).
From NYT (cw: gift link to live report with details of shooting):
โDo you know how many mass shooters there have been in America in the last 10 years?โ a person asks. โCounting or not counting gang violence?โ Kirk responds right before he is shot.
My mom is watching cable news and just texted me they said he died. I'll see if I can find a print version.
edit: He's dead. https://www-nbcnews-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/live-blog/rcna230437?amp_js_v=0.1&_gsa=1#webview=1

of course trump needed a big distraction, and now media is only focused on it right now. im pretty sure melania is a reaper, waiting til you pass so she can have your will.
Shhh, do you hear that? That's the bullet headed to my neck.
If America, and the taxes we pay for them to kill, kills innocent civilians, and most of us go along everyday not giving a fuck then why should we give a single fuck about this?
Shit my paid taxes paid less for this than more monstrous murders. There's less blood on my hands from this murder than the Israel Gaza war or any other war. Basically my tax payments have paid for more heartless shit than this. Yet that's all cool and this is supposed to not be okay?
Charlie Kirk died defending the 2nd Amendment ๐
Curious. He claims to be pro life, but dies
I am so glad that i live in the timeline where Charlie Kirk was the sole victim of a school shooting. I'm glad he could die defending the Second Amendment
A 9/11's eve miracle!
Hey, guy lived up to his lofty ideals. Can't fault him for that
He literally got what he asked for. You would hope it might give some of the other hate peddlers pause.....but I doubt it.
Wearing a shirt that says FREEDOM while being shot in the neck. FAFO
Oh dear! Thoughts and prayers ๐
If only thereโd been a bad guy with a gun around to stop this.
hah trump called him a bottom
I was getting my haircut and FOX was on the TV when I found out he died from the shooting. Barbershop is Vietnamese owned and the barber was busy on his phone when I get there. I've been there many times without FOX on the TV and hope they just put a random news channel on.
Fox was showing the reaction from various congress-critters and they got to AOC. AOC's message was this another example of we we need some gun control in a much better way than I am relaying. When FOX went back to the host he immediately said she was wrong. HIPAA laws should be relaxed so problematic people could be found before they commit crimes.
I wonder if the right wing "think" tanks who fund TPUSA are going to try to find a new grifter to run the show or let it die with Kirk and start a new thing.
I bet the billionaires who back it will put Candace Owens in charge next.
It served its purpose. They won't mourn it more than we will.
Awwwwww.... damnit.... Why wasn't it Trump โฝโฝ
More, please.
His video gaming days are over. I am assuming that he played videogames.
If youโre nice to people and youโre a positive force in society and you do t associate with bad people, no one is going to hate you or laugh at you when you die. Heck all you need is to be neutral. The bar is pretty low.
First I heard he was shot and assumed not bad, found the video andโฆ he was dead before be hit the ground
Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
~Ben Franklin.
(Realized this could be miss interpreted. I mean Kirk doesn't deserve neither liberty nor safety)
I agree with his statement here. Oligarchs would love it if the working class were disarmed.
Who did the violence again?
I am so sorry to hear your hero died AKA the great white MLK. If it is any solace he died proving his point. An "armed citizenry comes with a price" as he was found of saying.
Peace be with you.
I think most of the world's population does live under the thumb of authoritarian governments. I'm not only opposed to the fascist right, I'm opposed to authoritarian left too.
Nope right on time.
i mean hes right. shoulda just been on the right side of history
He's even promoting shooting people who try to take your rights away.
Rest in piss, cunt
God given rights?
Didn't the British leave Britain for America to get away from the church and give themselves their own rights?
Second amendment you say
And this was how I found out... The leopards will be eating well tonight...
They are not god-given. And they are eroding quickly. Did guns help against that in any way?
Gum control
Fucking stupid move. If he survives, he'll be a hero, if he dies, he'll be a martyr.
Well, a martyr he is...
That depends on who is emboldened by the news.
Right-wingers might "good riddance, I got mine"
Left-wingers might "hey, we could get democracy back"
I'm just sick of waiting around while the world slowly gets fucked over
get on with it and get it over with. hopefully the not-nazis win
You can't murder your way into democracy.
They must've been... Immaculately concieved.
Not from murdering people who speak their opinions.
The irony of using the American revolution to justify murdering people for speaking their opinion...
Yeah well that's a better example than the American revolution anyway, but I guess I view revolution against government as being a little different than murder of a citizen exercising their right to free speech. The French revolution also was fighting to establish a democracy, wherein people could freely exchange ideas and contribute to the shape of government. Democracy doesn't work if people murder each other instead of discussing things and using your vote to shape government. Violence must be prohibited and overwhelmingly condemned or it devolves into a zero sum game. This isn't a victory for the left, this is a loss for society, further degradation of our republic.
The infrastructure for democracy is already there. It's just been shelved temporarily by the current admin.
Ideological assassinations are a huge step in the wrong direction. Once you open the door to violence in place of speech and exchange of ideas, it's a bad place. Everyone should condemn this. Do you honestly believe it's a good idea to start killing people? Who is next? It's not always going to be people you disagree with, and ANY murders need to be condemned.
Not really; have you seen his face? It's all tiny. Hardly a snack.
Thoughts and prayers.
Dickhead memelord got where Mosley and Rockwell didn't.
Curious
RIP bozo, itโs jover!
It is possible to be empathetic about the manner of his death and the suffering it has caused while still being happy he is gone.
He's dead: https://www.trumpstruth.org/statuses/32921
Or too late?
Sucks to suck.
Not fast enough in my opinion. Dude was a piece of shit and died for what he believed in. Fuck him.
I just disagree with him. I suppose he would have said his own death was worth the price for freedom, right? So he proved his own point, but I just canโt get on board with it.
Right on time. The consequences of your own inaction.
Gun deaths from the son of a sheriff deputy and care worker, y'know, the typical "homegrowns".
Nah, this is the right time
Talk about self-prophecy. Get shot after saying it's necessary and nobody give a damn so he can get no empathy like he wanted too. Why are people upset? He got everything he asked for. I'm happy for him. If he only wished for hugs instead of guns maybe he could have received that instead? Who knows, maybe not?
Either way the Law of Attraction is some serious shit.
"Kirked" is a verb. Past tense obviously. /S
The civil war has been happening but mostly it's just feds playing with themselves using pawns trying to entice real human beings to join in.
Look at all the history of the CIA and fed assassinations... And look at that kill shot.
Look at the joke assignations attempts they used on trump... Because he wasn't supposed to really die yet.
There's a reason Kirk died and Trump didn't.
They are both pawns, but Kirk was a lower pawn.
Legal Modern Mafia that sacrifices their own by extorting people to kill for them. The same as the game in the streets. The sad part is most people don't realize they are used.
You don't have to like him, but jeez people in here are messed up. I'm a little surprised that so many people are celebrating an ideological assassination. Democracy literally cannot survive if opinions are punishable by death, and that alone should be soundly condemned.
You guys donโt understand. I am so sick of seeing calls for violence. Iโm so sick of seeing coldness toward violence.
Someone is going to want to retaliate. Thatโs what the fuck violence brings. Unless you win completely, and the only kind of motherfuckers who win completely are people who exterminate everyone who opposes them.
Is that what the fuck we want?
Do we want to see important figures in a left-wing movement assassinated? Someone is going to be upset enough to fire a gun at someone you care about.
Violence begets violence.
I canโt stand reading this shit anymore. I really canโt.
A bunch of fucking keyboard warriors stoked as shit when someone gets killed. Never ever fucking smart enough to think about what comes next. Well, get ready for it. Someone is going to be angry enough to shoot back, that is a promise. Go look at a fucking history book. Nobody takes this kind of thing sitting down.
If you think anything good is going to come from this, you are a goddamn fool.
Leaders in a movement you care about are about to be assassinated in retaliation by some moron with a fucking gun.
Iโve got to get the fuck away from all this noise. Iโm half tempted to fucking throw my phone in the creek and never look back.
Yโall want to kill each other and then cheer when someone is fucking murdered, fine.
Goddamn.
I fucking hated Charlie Kirk. If he had died naturally, Iโd be the first one to piss on his fucking grave. Some idiot made a martyr, thatโs what they did. Curious motherfucking kids who never heard anything he said will now listen to everything he ever said. You canโt kill an Ideology by killing the people who espouse said ideology.
I just want to beat my head into a fucking wall. Iโm so fucking burned out. Fuck anybody who is OK with bullets traveling through the flesh of any of their fellow men. Go into a field and fire the guns yourselves against other idiots who want to fire guns, the rest of us are sick of your fucking violence.
Hi guys! Just because he was an awful person doesn't mean he deserves to die. I am actually horrified by how many people are condoning this, especially when this man has a family and a wife and it's not even like trump when it would have actually done anything for our country. all this has done has made a gigantic fuss and give fox news rage bait.
RIP Charlie Kirk.
You were a good Christian man with moral principles with a wife and 2 kids. You were killed by a lunatic while you were exercising your freedom of speech, you were persecuted by your opponents. Some may say that's a form of fascism, the same party that accused you of being.
The violent rhetoric of the left influenced some weak minded soul to take you from your children, and also taken your quotes out of context.
Charlie Kirk never robbed a pregnant woman at gun point, or robbed a bank, or killed a woman on a train, but instead encouraged open conversation between all parties so they could understand each other in a meaningful way.
May you rest in peace, and may your naysayers see the evil in their ways and repent. They may mock you because they're unable to refute your debates, but they will reap what they sow.
RIP Charlie Kirk
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Nah empathy is for the weak.
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