Uber is letting women avoid male drivers and riders in the US
5 months ago by Beep to c/technology
- Hacker News;
- Reddit.
When women riders and drivers told us they wanted more control over how they ride and earn, we listened. That feedback led to Women Preferences, features designed to give women the choice to ride with other women. Since our first pilots last summer, we’ve heard just how much that choice matters—from feeling more comfortable in the back seat to more confident behind the wheel.
The relationship between men and women (and generally all human interactions) in America has gotten so fucking weird. I agree that people should be able to take personal steps to keep themselves safe. My point is we are so rightfully fearful of each other here because we've completely abandoned the sense of unity in America. Our social safety net, sense of humanity, belief in the good in the world, justice system, and education is so poor it's literally statistically unsafe to be alone with a stranger. It's what happens to your society when hyper individualism takes hold and you end up with a nation of people thinking they are the main character.
I don't think this issue is reflective of American gender wars in particular. I can think of dozens of countries I'd be way more terrified of being in a car alone with an unknown man as a woman. I've never had a bad encounter with any uber drivers in the US, but I have heard directly from drivers that drunk riders can be a fucking menace, so I don't mind if female drivers would rather take their chances with drunk women vs drunk men.
Two people literally disagree with you that women should feel safe.
This is why these options are now available to women.
As a burley man with lots of facial hair, when I'm out for a run, if I'm passing a woman in an isolated area or if I'm passing someone, I do everything I can to look not threatening and alert people of my presence to not startle them. It's unfortunate that it's something I feel I need to do, but I'm not out there trying to scare anyone, but when I do on accident it feels like getting kicked in the nuts.
I'm very for women being able to make choices to protect themselves, especially when it's something like this Uber stuff where it doesn't hurt someone else. One could argue it could hurt a males revenue, but that would be a weak argument.
I only added it because I wasn't sure if there was a population of man-children who feel slighted every time women get anything even remotely positive on Lemmy like there was on Reddit
There is. It’s substantial, but much more subtle than on Reddit. Slurs and outright sexism usually get you banned pretty quick here, so it’s largely just the casual sexism left, but it runs pretty deep. And it’s been here at least as long as I have overall (my oldest account is about 3 yo). In the original wave, the shitty population drove off the vast majority of cis female users within 6 months, which is a huge part of why the demographics around here are so heavily skewed toward men. This is also why the women’s communities, which all died out and were resurrected during the second Lemmy population boom, are so heavily policed to shut men down.
You can tell we have such a population because all posts like these about women getting anything at all, good or bad, always, without fail, have an absolute glut of comments. If you then take the time to read all of them, a solid percentage are very clearly motivated by sexism. Now, commenters are obviously self-selecting, so it’s impossible to say in absolute terms, but of the people who choose to comment on such things, and generously leaving out any comments that may just be poorly worded, I’ve typically seen between 10 and 30% of the comments have such motivations, depending how old the post is and how much visibility it got. It’s not always the same people, either, it’s different shitty people most of the time. Downvotes also flow like wine if you challenge those comments, or call out the trend.
Lemmy is filled with men right activists and misogynists that don't hide.
If it wasn't controversial MRA wouldn't exist lol
Yup, I’m also squarely in the “good for them, it doesn’t really affect me in the slightest and they deserve to feel safe” boat. But I also have a sneaking suspicion that the guys like us aren’t the ones who would be upset about this. The Venn diagram of “men who wouldn’t get angry about this” and “fucking creeps” is probably close to being two separate circles.
Wouldn't it be a single circle?
Hah, I typoed. Fixed now. I shouldn’t comment before I’ve had my coffee.
100%. I feel better knowing that the women in my life have the ability to not ride around with some random dude. I have done Uber to make ends meet a number of times, and I'd happily accept the decrease in ridership if it means women are less scared.
As a smaller guy with a slightly feminine appearance (that I try to lean away from but how much can I do), I also fear men I don't know (bad experiences) and wish that somehow I could choose too. But any sort of 'qualified selection' would guarantee someone malicious slips through eventually, and that's obviously not worth it. I'm not going to let jealousy and whataboutism get in the way of progress. On that note, I do worry slightly about how they're verifying gender? If it's by DL, this will affect trans folks in some states much more than others. If it's not, then verification becomes a very big question mark.
I also can't help but notice all the language is very passive, on one hand it makes sense they wouldn't be able to guarantee anything but at the same time I find it so hard to trust passive language from any tech company, they've all abused my good faith of it into the ground. But I digress.
No flak just thoughts, concerns notwithstanding this is good to see overall. I'm sure Lyft will have to deploy something equivalent to stay competetive.
I understand why women feel this is necessary, but I also understands that a policy like this paints all men with the same brush. It's like they are saying "Since a small number of men are creeps, we give you the option to avoid all men". Which seems to be counterproductive.
Meanwhile, Uber has invasive tracking, where they know everyone's history. They know how many drives a customer has provisioned without incident. And I have always considered these rideshare things to be particularly safe, because all parties are consenting to the tracking. That's not guarantee nothing will happen, of course, but it is more unlikely when all parties know Big Uber is watching you.
If Uber had rolled this out and said "you have the option to avoid rides with the opposite gender without an established history in our files", then I think I would have less of a problem with it. But it seems like I can do everything right, and be respectful of everyone, and give Uber shitloads of money, and still be potentially waiting longer for a ride, just because of my parts. How is that OK?
Large numbers of men are creeps, and I say that as a man. That's the issue, that's why they're doing this.
Is there a technical definition of "large" that justifies this? If not, then this is all based on feelings.
I think it's bad news to generalize entire large groups like this, no matter how good the intentions are.
There have been a few studies. Most estimates put it at around 20% of men engage in actively degrading behaviour, sexual harassment, or have had a history of sexual assault, with between 5-8% actually engaging in violence. It isn't everyone, but it is around 1 in 5 which is not a small group that could be classified as "Creeps." It's a lot higher percentage of the population than, for example, the percentage of violent extremists among Muslims.
Well yeah it's based on feelings and it definitely just mindlessly repeating the extremely popular male bashing perspective the majority of fediverse users blindly accept as dogma, but it's also undeniably true. A very large number of us are creeps. If you'd like to get technical, we can pull sexual crimes stats of men vs women and see which number is larger... But, do we really have to?
And it's not that we're inherently evil or perverse by nature. It's that, more often than not, in one on one interactions we are the ones with the potential ability to physically dominate and coerce the human of the other sex. Every once in a while a man will delude himself, snap, explode or give in to whatever dark urge was brooding in him and use that ability in some horrible way.
The probability of an individual of whatever demographic doing something horrible is = (the probability they have the urge to attempt the horrible thing) x (the probability they have the capacity to carry out the horrible thing). It's really not that complicated.
And If you think women would never do this if they had, on average, larger body frames, more strength and were brainwashed into seeking validation through dominance from an early age, please allow me to introduce you to the fascinating matriarchal pack dynamics of the spotted hyena, where females are larger and stronger than males. Guess which sex is more aggressive and socially dominant?
It's not that us men are evil. It's that on average, we have physical power that more often than not, woman do not. Any form of power has the potential to corrupt, cause it can be used for evil and therefore, every once in a while, given a large enough time frame or population, it will.
Anecdotally, large by the fact that every single woman I know has experienced some form of sexual harassment. And that's not hyperbolic.
More abstract, large by the fact that it is even a discussion. If a not inconsequential amount of men have harassed women enough that this is just brought up at all, then it's an issue that needs to be addressed in some form or fashion.
You said "small numbers" first as the entire basis of your argument and now you pull the "feelings" card on me??!
It's not about you. Repeat after me: It's not about you. It's about women who feel unsafe.
Most sexual assault is not reported.
And you will not be waiting longer, women who choose this service will be. So cut the pity party. You lose absolutely nothing.
The more I think about it, though, the more I think this is a genuine discrimination case. If Uber had rolled this out and said "White drivers can choose to pick up only white passengers", would that be OK? Or even "Male drivers can choose to only pick up male passengers"?
Heck, I even think if they rolled this out and said "female users can choose a preference for only female drivers", that might be able to fly, because it's the buyer of the service expressing that view.
But to me, for the people offering the service, there is no difference between this and someone who doesn't want to make a cake for a gay wedding. When you are offering a service to the general public, you can't really discriminate like that. Yes, I understand the safety thing. But a store that catered to women wouldn't be able to bar men from entering at all. Why is a car service any different? Yes, drivers are using their own cars, but it is still a car service.
You know what sucks the most about this? They're probably gonna get sued over it, either by the Trump DOJ or some shitty Red State AG, who is probably gonna win.
An estimated 20% of women will be sexually assaulted in their life. Half of those will happen by the time that they're 16. 40% of trans women will be sexually assaulted.
This isn't about your feelings being hurt.
If you, as a passenger, notice no difference in service, because they still find someone to cover the ride in the big pool of potential drivers who aren’t women who only drive for women, does it actually matter if some of the drivers are personally refusing to serve you? Have you actually been discriminated against by the service? Would you even know it happened? I doubt it.
Since a small number of men are creeps, we give you the option to avoid all men". Which seems to be counterproductive.
Speaking as a man, the majority of men are creeps, but even if they weren't, it wouldn't be counterproductive. If it was, say, a 5% chance, one in twenty, that would be far and away high enough of a risk to make a move like this worthwhile. Hell even 1%. And we know the proportion is far greater than that.
They know how many drives a customer has provisioned without incident.
No they don't, single digit percentages of sexual harassment are ever even reported let alone followed up because almost nobody gives a shit about it. Someone's squeaky clean history is basically indistinguishable from that of a serial creep.
How is that OK?
Sadly, lots of things in the world aren't ok. It's tough out there.
I wouldn't mind if they'd implemented this the opposite way: if a woman, driver or passenger, encounters a creep, they could report that in the app and then the creep would automatically be banned from riding with women. That way decent men aren't affected and women keep more choice in drivers/passengers, and only the creeps are singled out.
I think the issue people are taking is with collective punishment and validating prejudice.
I don't care as a man if women hate us anymore. So be it, I just want anyone who does not like me, as far the fuck away from me. I don't trust other people, so why should other people trust me?
I expect other people to not trust me as much as I don't trust them, and I act like it. I hate walking behind other people, I keep a distance from them as if they have corona, I detest bus rides, because I am crammed and forced into contact with other people. It is a horrific torture every day. I got my co-worker nothing for 8th march, because it can be misconstrued as something else, and I don't want to risk that, would rather be seen as uncaring or a prick.
Right, every single woman on the planet has had multiple uncomfortable, or even dangerous or violent, interactions with men, but people in this thread are pretending that it's outrageous that someone is acknowledging that very obvious and well-known fact.
I'm a man, and I don't blame women at all for avoiding us. I don't know why every woman isn't a lesbian. Men are generally awful.
it’s disingenuous as hell to pretend that men being weird or sexual towards women isn’t the most common by a colossal margin.
I'm not convinced. Every guy I know has a story about women being creeps to them, but ask them if they reported it, every single one of them will say no.
And for the very few that do try to report it? They're usually laughed out of the room. My own mother said "oh but it's cute when older women do it to younger guys". That's not a rare opinion, that's the default in our culture.
So we don't show up in any official statistics, because our culture discourages us from reporting, and is less likely to take us seriously if we do.
So no, I'm not convinced that men being weird to women is the most common by any margin. We haven't even asked men.
Hello. You now know me. I have none of those stories. Women have been nothing but respectful to me.
But if you're comfortable sharing, I would love to hear your story about how you were harassed by a female Uber driver.
I'm a guy. I was harassed by a female uber driver once (I wrote about it here) and I also...
[sexual coersion trigger warning]
I was raped by a women while intoxicated a few years ago. It didn't traumatize me heavily, but I definitely was raped. Would you like to hear about it?
I usually have positive interactions with women and appreciate the ones in my life, but just cause these things are rare doesn't mean they don't happen.
That's horrible. I don't know how to do a spoiler tag, but let's just say ; same.
So to stay on topic. Would you use a feature that let you not have women drivers?
That's super awkward. Sorry you had to deal with that.
To stay on topic, would you use an option to not ride with women drivers now?
I don't take uber or taxis. But I've had random women come up to me in public places and grab my private parts, or say sexually suggestive things, and it makes me feel kinda paralyzed, like a deer in headlights, cause what am I gonna do, be the guy that yells at a woman for sexual assault? And then I just never go back in that store for a few months.
Man, that is not my experience at all.
I'm a guy. And even some of the things my (former) guy friends said about women and their relationships dropped my jaw. Same with some family.
The longer I live, the more I think "man... can my sex just not be such pricks? Please? It is not that hard."
Yeah, I've seen some women abuse or take advantage of men too. But it's not even close to so prominant with women I've known, especially when I dive into the issues and see what happened.
I think women drivers only wanting to pick up women is fine if thats what they want to do. That won't negatively effect everyone else who is working. It only negatively effects your own potential at making your money.
But riders being able to select women drivers really takes a hard monetary hit against male drivers for the sake of being sexist.
Maybe Uber should be responsible for background checks of their drivers and hold them accountable for their actions and be able to fire them for misconduct. But that might require hiring drivers as actual employees. And then Uber could issue company vehicles.
Oh wait, I'm describing taxi companies that already existed before Uber.
The fact that we allow Uber/Lyft to operate as a way to skirt regulations that were put in place to keep people safe, and then trust Uber will implement work around solutions like this is ridiculous.
Same goes to AirBnB
While I agree with this, and I'm not defending skirting regulations, before rideshare apps, taking taxis was an awful experience. At least half the time, if you try to pay with a credit card, the machine was "broken", if you wanted to get a ride at a specific time you had to call ahead and hope that a taxi would show up.
Rideshsre apps forced regular taxis to up their game and provide better service, some did and now have their own apps.
I don't even know what regulations they are skirting. You can't just sign up to become a driver without submitting information just like any other job. Background checks are required, licenses and what not. People are also supposed to leave feedback if they had a bad experience so I could only imagine that the complaints are surrounding the idea that Uber isn't following up on the feedback enough. That said if 500 people ride with that driver and rate them well, and 1 person says they were a perv, and Uber looks at it and finds that person has called several male drivers pervs while they get good ratings from everyone else, there could be a problem that those people have a type, or Uber could be thinking the issue is the rider at that point
Uhh I traveled to san Fransisco and there was an Uber booth in mall I was getting some necessities for. The booth dude was like hey come earn some money. I'm not from here , no worries that doesn't matter, ok well I don't have a car. That's fine we can get you sorted on that, it's a great way to make I little extra money.
No dude I'm not interested.
If you change your mind come back
Someone trying to sell you a job, that's interesting. I wonder if they do that at certain times of the year places. I imagine you need a lot more Uber drivers in specific areas for events. Like if Comicon is happening, you suddenly have hundreds of thousands of people coming to the area that will spike the number of people needing rides. I assume the same happens with the Superbowl, Mardi Gras, soon to be the World Cup, etc.
The article says Uber lets women avoid male drivers, which implies that at the very least the Uber account is registered as female, which means female drivers could choose to only accept jobs offered through this system.
That raises the question how Uber is deciding that drivers and clients are women. Could a prospective rapist make a "female" burner account to ambush women? Are trans women who are unrecognized by the state excluded even if they're at far higher risk than cis women?
Of course the real solution is public transit. Uber is dangerous because it means leaving two strangers together for every single journey. For the vast majority of people taking public transit, there will be many strangers in the same cabin who can all help keep each other in line.
The article briefly talks about female drivers too, which is what I talking about.
Women drivers can toggle on a preference to receive trip requests from women riders, giving them even more control over how they earn.
(and the image/gif seems to imply it'll exclusively accept rides from women riders)
But yes, if gender is self-declared then it'd be pretty easy to abuse by a malicious rider (I assume, without proof, that drivers have to be vetted somehow). If they require a phone number for new rider accounts it shouldn't be too hard to keep banned malicious users out, though. There are more foolproof ways, but they have other issues (e.g. ID verification is a privacy nightmare and potentially transphobic depending on local government policies).
It's been a little while since I've used any sort of taxi service because the local public transit is pretty good, but I know a lot of the USA isn't so lucky there either. That's more of a cultural problem though.
On a semi-related note, it's quite ironic that Uber made a change for only their home nation on International Women's Day.
It's because men are hazed into behaving in a fucked up way, like "grab her by the pussy, what are you, gay?" type of behavior by other men. It's fucked up, and there is no authority dealing with these problems at the root. Other men want to fit in, and this soon becomes their actual personality.
I dont think that this is really the problem uber is solving here.
I dont think women passengers or drivers are being physically assaulted during an uber ride, they just feel uncomfortable with men. Maybe its flirting, maybe its a fertive glance, maybe its nothing. It doesn't really matter whether male drivers have ever done anything to deserve being avoided, the point is that women want to avoid them.
Im a guy. I feel a bit awkward about this, as if someone had said to me "I dont want to interact with you because you might rape me". Its not a nice feeling but its a misconception of what's really happening.
Ultimately in any specific instance where a woman chooses not to interact with a man, I absolutely believe its her right to do so. However, I do hope that society doesn't reach a point where women in general make that choice as a matter of routine.
Uber stopped doing then, but their own data through 2022 claims that 99.9998% of rides ended without a safety incident.
Most sexual assault is committed by abusers who know their victims, not random strangers.
I also think they should be employees. That is however another matter. Being a full time employee has never stopped anyone from engaging in sexual harassment. Workplace harassment is quite common. Let’s not mix up our issues. Hiring them as employees will not protect women.
Agreed. Contract work that isn’t actually contract work should be illegal.
Thank you
unless you've actually literally lived as a woman you cannot know the monumental amount of sexual harassment we face and fear on a day-to-day basis. doubly so for trans women. every single moment i am alone in public i am deathly anxious that i could be harassed (sexually or otherwise) or hate-crimed or whatever. and the worst part is, there's nothing i could do about it. the perpetrator would get away scot-free. the cops do not fucking care
however bad you think it is, it's worse. whatever you're imagining, it is exponentially more horrendous
I have twice been in public with my fiance and some random twat in a pickup truck yells cat calls while driving by slowly in a parking lot. Wish the fuckers would stop so I can pull them through the window. God knows what she's delt with when I'm NOT standing next to her holding her hand. Sick as a society we are, that's why we have trump as pedophile in cheif. Smh.
Since you said they’re a she, it’s fiancée. Congrats on the nups!
This is the thing as a former white man.
Authority to touch others flows down the privilege hierarchy.
Trans women are always judged as the aggressor, always. Our bodies are considered public property.
I faced some as a man, so...yeah. Most of my trouble is from other men, and my attitude towards dating (not wanting to) is from trust issues that were actually caused by other men treating me awfully, so I don't want to let ANY human treat me the same way.
As a man, I genuinely wonder how much actual harassment women face vs how much they hear about it, driving the anxiety.
I get to feel that a lot of these fears are real, but many are manufactured. But I can be wrong.
Anecdotally, last week I (middle aged lady) was approached by two strange men. One tried to grab me outside my work site, and one told me how lovely I was and asked for my number (in target). It’s much, much worse for young women. It’s not manufactured, unlike the doubt of women’s lived experience seems to be.
I have yet to meet a woman I'm close enough friends with who doesn't have a personal sexual assault story. Not a harrassment story, an SA story. Could just be bad luck but i don't think it is. It also lines right up with the statistic that 3/4 women get sexually assaulted before 30 (that stat is from memory, but I'll try and track it down in a bit.)
I believe It is much worse than you think.
EDIT: so on the stat I popped: NSVRC says 1 in 5 women in their lifetimes and RAINN says 1 in 6 in their lifetime. It's been a while since i'd read that stat so it makes sense it'd be off.(though it is disappointing just how far off it ended up being, big whiff on my part) Those stat pages also have numbers for men as well
I'm pretty sure it's much, much worse than you think. In fact, I'm fairly sure it's much worse than I think. Men don't experience it, women are reluctant to talk about it because some men react aggressively to claims that men react aggressively.
i didn't speak in detail about the very many numerous times i've been sexually harassed in public only because it's too depressing to think about lmao
I get your point, but if you actually go out and speak with women who trust you, chances are they will all have multiple stories of harassment and/or SA that will make your skin crawl. It's not just fearmongering, there are a lot of awful men out there (in absolute terms)
I'm surprised how many (well-meaning) men are clueless about this horrible aspect of life which is so universal for women.
Your retort is that because you lack empathy women are somehow suspect?
It is because I have empathy for both women and men. It also means those who don't understand ,or get offended, may lack the empathy for both needed to understand the point made. Do you empathize with men's experience of women?
The same way we trust that it's really painful for men to get kicked in the junk without having to experience it ourselves.
If I knew how to make everyone empathetic we wouldn't even need to be discussing this in the first place. What a vapid question.
You answered your own question. The task for men is to trust women when they describe their experiences, even if it’s completely invisible and alien to their own experiences. Reading detailed firsthand accounts is a good way to build understanding.
That is not a task for men. That is a demand from women. If men can only decide to believe based on the trust they have with the speaker then the speaker must earn their trust. It is not men's responsibility to become trusting of women, just because women want it. If women want men to trust their words then it's women's responsibility to gain men's trust. It would be profoundly unwise of men to believe without either trust or safety. How often do you ever concern yourself with the safety of men? Because from my experiences, those of my male friends and of the media women like most, women ensuring men feel safe enough to trust is not a concept that rarely ever appears, nevermind it being respected when it does.
I think we all need to do the work to understand the problems faced by different groups. Women need to be doing this too. This isn’t a thread about problems men face, however.
This is kind of an insane take.
Women have always been vulnerable. Women are easy targets because they are, on average, physically weaker than males.
Women get raped and sexually assaulted at rates far beyond men. 50% of women will suffer a sexual assault of some kind in their life. Just 3% of men report a sexual assault.
I don't necessarily even disagree with this feature but I can't help but imagine the outrage if that was almost literally any other group of people.
Great! We just happen to have a driver matching your requirements. Unfortunately, demand for bilingual Mongolian ginger Zoroastrian jazz enthusiasts over 5’10" is off the charts! Fares have increased to get more bilingual Mongolian ginger Zoroastrian jazz enthusiasts over 5’10" Ubers on the road: 9001.0x the normal fare
You mistype and end up with a methhead.
And I'm losing business simply because I don't care for jazz
What other group of... Oh.
I can't help but I imagine JK Rowling tweeting some day about how she used this feature and was appalled to be driven by a trans-woman.
A lot of white people are afraid of black people. Should we let people choose their driver by the color of their skin? Their ethnicity? The language they speak? Their sexual orientation? Their religion?
Discrimination is bad for everyone else, but somehow for men we just say "eh they have it coming".
Rowling will use any excuse to be transphobic though
Transphobes will use any excuse to be transphobic.
I'm not sure what your point here is.
I am agreeing with you lol
I think the discussion misses a key point. Uber avoids any responsibility for its drivers. A normal cab company would hire people for whom they know their real identity. If one of them crosses any lines, they get fired and and getting a new job isn't as easy as making a new account.
I can’t help but imagine the outrage
Literally only you can prevent that. This is something that affects 50% of the population universally. For some reason you can't comprehend this being an exception to the rule. Only you can be that change, no one can do that for you. I hope you are able to stop imagining fake outrage one day. It will be a long journey, should you wish to achieve it, but I believe in you.
If you know any women in your life, which I assume by your comment you don't or they don't talk to you anymore, ask them when the last time they were sexually harassed.
The fact it might have literally been yesterday shouldn't be shocking to you.
You never go back, or so I hear.
That's great, if you want a black driver.
I'm a man, but I also prefer women drivers. Their cars tend to be better taken care of and cleaner. they also do a lot better at respecting and pre-empting preferences in regard to heat/music. Maybe it's just my area, but I've actually never had a "normal" experience with a male Uber driver.
Either their car is all clapped out, it's dirty and smells bad, they'll be blasting MAGA rap, or they get real weird with the dropoff. (Like, bro my legs do function and I can walk across the street or down the block a little bit, it's ok, I gave you a different address from where I'm actually going anyway). Never had any issues like that with women as drivers.
I get that they're doing this for reasons of rider safety, but they should let both men and women express a preference.
Honestly, this should be a thing.
They should make an app where you have to swipe right on your driver/passenger, and then the app notifies you and you can strike up a conversation and see whether or not you are compatible for ride-sharing.
Said it yesterday about this on a post on my instance.
I drive for Uber occasionally, I am a guy, and got offered this option to only accept women riders. That doesn't seem right...
Maybe Uber is trying to start a new dating app. "The best way to pick up chicks is to trap them in your car."
This is hitting hard cause I went from a '05 Hyundai sonata to a new Toyota Avalon, and the auto lock feature when shifting it of park still fucks with me and riders.
I read about a horror story on Reddit of an Uber driver who engaged the child locks so they had a reason to open the door for the rider and I desperately want to avoid that perception!
FYI, most newer cars have a way for you to turn off the auto lock feature. It is usually a setting in menus, but some might have you do things like close all the doors, turn the car on, and then hold the unlock button for 10 seconds.
Worst case scenario is it has to be done through the programming tool, so if you can't figure out how to do it yourself, then the next time you have it serviced tell them to turn off the auto-locks.
If I remember correctly, when auto locks were first introduced some countries saw them as dangerous so automakers were required to provide a way to turn it off.
Just tucked with the settings and you're absolutely right!
Thanks homie!
I get it, but it's sad that society have come to this.
Now add a "Chatty Cathy" / "Leave me the fuck alone, don't worry I'll still give you a tip as long as we don't have to talk" option.
can males avoid women drivers or is that considered sexist? what if a male wants to mitigate the chance of being falsely accused of assault/rape? I hope people have the choice regardless of gender
edit: the downvotes are funny... I assume people think I mean women should not have the choice, but I mean the opposite. EVERYONE should have a choice, or no one. it's call being fair. rape/sexual assault is not a good scenario for anyone and if people are fearful, they should be allowed to make a choice that allows them to feel comfortable. the downvotes just show me that people are disrespectful/not caring when it comes to fairness and equality. l.. or they are just flat out sexist pricks.
It might be considered sexist, depending on who you ask.
The amount of males being falsely accused of sexual assault is much lower than the amount of females being exposed to sexual assault. Hence why there has been provided a measure for women at this scale, and not for men.
As a penis haver who has been falsely accused of sexual assault, it’s far more common than you think.
I'm sorry that you had to go through that, and I must emphasize that I do not wish to "let" anyone be exposed to this. However, I remain unconvinced that it's "more common than I think". The amount of sexual assault that women are exposed to is unfortunately far, far more common, and a bigger problem that should take precedence in being dealt with.
So how does fucking men out of that option help women? It's not a zero-sum game. You must have a certain ulterior motive, the subtext is that you want innocent men to be accused of rape to take revenge for the innocent women who were raped.
Not hard to read that sort of thing, and I don't care how many downvotes or anger this will provoke, I know you self-righteous folk, I know the truth.
Here: https://www.cdc.gov/...
Men have so much less reason to fear compared to women. This is not saying they have nothing to fear, but the measures taken by uber is an attempt to protect those who are MUCH more prone to sexual assault and harassment.
The fear of accusations is not covered in this survey, nevertheless, if men feel fearful of accusations, imagine what women feel when they fear actually being sexually assaulted.
Don't take my word for it; look it up. But here, I'll save you some time by spending my own:
Say out of 140 000 reports of rape in one year, 4% are false. That leaves us with 5600 false accusations. And according to the survey shown by CDC, there's an estimated 1.4 million women raped in 12 months.
As a domestic abuser survivor (of a woman), a lot of us men are just not taken seriously. It is a lot like how people diminish one person's pain/suffering just because it "isn't as bad" as someone else's pain. Men are absolutely abused, raped, and falsely accused. But because it happens to women more, we have to bear our suffering in silence.
No one is saying that men cannot be victims of harassment or assault.
However it is objectively true that women deal with this problem in much higher quantities than men do.
However it is objectively true that women deal with this problem in much higher quantities than men do.
How do you know that it is objectively true, if you also know these statistics are based around a culture that discourages men from reporting this problem?
Per RAINN, 57% of perpetrators are white. I'll charitably imagine you're attempting to point out perceived hypocrisy in gender vs race selection, but you're perpetuating racist and xenophobic stereotypes. White men commit rape at more than twice the rate of black men, and naturally born citizens commit crimes at rates higher than both documented and undocumented immigrants.
If you want to make the case that it's a discriminatory policy, you're welcome to do so, but tying it to false perceptions of race is probably not the best move. It's coming off as reactionary at best.
I never understood this fear.
Always seems weird when people are more worried about accusations than sexual assault/harassement. The latter seems far more common ime, even if you are seen as a guy.
I think it's a perspective thing.
Men are less likely to perceive themselves as potential SA victims (regardless of actual numbers): so the relative subjective "chance" of false accusations against them vs being victims themselves impacts their priorities.
I've been sexually assaulted multiple times over my life, all by women. I did not conceive of the actions as assault until I heard women's claims, of the same actions, be accepted as a form of sexual assault. Men absolutely under report their sexual assault, especially as the definition continues to be expand, including more behaviors that men have already dismissed.
Why? Most people, most of the time, focus on the perceived threats to themselves. Men, some subgroup of men in particular, are at a higher risk of false accusations than of sexual assault. What is seen as a danger to them is likely what they'll focus on. And that's a very reasonable and fair thing to do. Is that not exactly what women do when they focus on the risk of sexual assault and not on the risk of false accusations?
Both are legitimate fears. Both make sense. Both should be respected but only one actually is, across society.
Men, some subgroup of men in particular, are at a higher risk of false accusations than of sexual assault.
Are they? The former seems pretty much unheard of while the latter ain't uncommon. I think the only subgroup of men where the risk of being "falsely" accused of SA is high are men who commit SA and just don't believe it is SA. Of course perception of risk can vary and the (perceived) severity of the event matters as well.
I have never been afraid of being falsely accused of assault or rape because I have never done anything even close to anything that can be defined as assault or rape, or shown any behavior or tendencies to do so.
I think you're missing the basic definition of what a false accusation is, here. The whole point of it is that you didn't do the thing that you're being accused of.
Yeah that's pretty ignorant of them. It might reduce the risk, because the circumstances make it harder to convincingly lie about, but it doesn't ensure anything. One circumstance of uncertainty and a skilled and motivated individual is all it takes.
You ever tried taking a little girl to the park when you identified as a man?
It gets really weird when complete strangers go up to her and ask her if she knows you.
They don't do that when you present as a woman.
I have had this happen on reverse
I when I go boymode, with my mom at some place like shopping mall, I got weird looks because people thought we were a couple
The amount of falsely accused is less than 5% of all the rape cases.
So a women getting actually raped is about 20 times more likely than a man being falsely accused of rape.
And that is only counting all the instances where the rape got reported.
The amount of falsely accused is less than 5% of all the rape cases.
LOL how could you possibly know that?
So a women getting actually raped is about 20 times more likely than a man being falsely accused of rape.
Not sure what you're getting at here. Do you think this is some sort of competition for who is the biggest victim? And only the victor should be granted "equality"?
people just... don't get it. I'm shocked everytime I mention equality, and get met with the above nonsense. lol
I will never understand people's thought processes. if I said no women should have this, sure... but I'm asking for everyone to have the same right, like... what?
Forget it, humans are a lost cause. They should be allowed to go extinct.
I downvoted you because it's always a certain type of person to go on about men being "fAlSeLy AcCusEd of Rape."
do men get falsely accused of rape? are you denying this happens?
oh wait, nevermind. I don't care for your sexist views. get lost
This is the shit that makes men look bad.
Men absolutely do not experience sexual harassment at the same level that women do.
It’s not close at all.
Why can’t we just let the women have a dub without being all “buhhh what about da men???”
And women don't experience accusations of sexual harrassment at the same level that men do.
Men also experience plain physical assault at ~5x the rate of women.
Why can't we just support equality for everyone? Why is that so hard?
As much as you want to try to paint men as the victims, they’re just not.
Yes, it happens. No it does not happen nearly as frequently.
This issue is extremely skewed toward women.
Why can't we just support equality for everyone? Why is that so hard?
At least part of it is because of people like you who get upset whenever someone challenges the grossly inequitous status quo.
That's it, I've had it. Somebody get Joe Rogan in here so we can hash this out.
I don't think anyone worth listening about anything would find this problematic. It ain't women casually raping and killing, we all know that.
The vast majority of sexual assault is by people who know the victim, not random strangers. This is Uber trying to capitalize on fear to sell a more "premium" product they will inevitably charge more for, not actually helping anyone.
I never claimed Uber was 100% safe. There's also plenty of cases of non-sexual assault and robbery. There's way more cases of simple negligent driving resulting in injury and death.
Uber's own data indicates 99.9998% of trips in 2021-2022 were completed with no safety incident. Now if you want to discredit that self-reporting as biased, fair enough.
What would you say is the threshold for justifying gender segregation? 99.9999%? 99.99999%? 99.999999%?
Whilst this is most likely true, I still think it'll provide many anxious women some peace of mind and that might be enough.
I'm sure a lot of anxious Nazi's got a lot of peace of mind in the early 1940's too.
I sure a lot of anxipis transphobes got a lot of peace of mind when Trump banned trans people from military service.
Giving anxious people peace of mind it's the point of segregation. That doesn't make it right or good.
Are you comparing being a woman, which means you're comparatively less physically imposing and highly likely to be targeted by any immoral men, to Nazis?
Oof. May God give you what you deserve.
Yeah, we need fewer men in general.
Idk about that, chief.
Do you know anything? What's your alternative?
I don't find this problematic, but umm.. I'm just going to leave this here. And while I'm here, why not this... Oh, and this. And umm... this.
Men are statistically way more likely to commit violent and sexual crimes than women (i'm guessing but p sure), sure but um... Would you say "It ain't white people who are casually killing each other's gang members"? Gang violence is statistically more likely for people of some races.... But would you say that's a fair statement? And how is it different from your statement?
That's like 4 people, man, come on. Also, it is DRASTICALLY different, because the differences between the sexes are well documented and easily seen, what are the racial differences that cannot be explained by culture that result in some ethnicities being more dangerous than others? 🤔
Women have to be protected by men FROM other men, across cultures and time. Be real.
Nobody protected me from my wife and now I'm putting on nice clothes and changing my bedsheets more than once every 2 months. 😭
That’s like 4 people, man, come on.
Yeah, it's 4 people. What's your point?
what are the racial differences that cannot be explained by culture that result in some ethnicities being more dangerous than others?
Great question. As a latino I have dark skin and brown hair and am therefore better at hiding in the shadows. It's easier for someone to trip with me in the dark if I'm passed out drunk on the floor, possibly causing innocent people injury. This is a serious risk to society and we should be considered dangerous, especially in situations that involve alcohol.
Tomen have to be protected by men FROM other men
Yes, that's what men are for. We protect from the other -worse- men and whatever it is their women are telling them they need to do and they'll fucking blindly do it cause yes we're that dumb.
But also, can we agree we all have to be protected from assholes and ill meaning people, both women and men. Are bad people usually men? Idk maybe. Physical violence-wise, probably, tbh. Are all assholes men though? No, and I can give you at least 4 examples that prove this, but also, the ways that women with bad intentions get what they want is blatantly obvious to anyone who has met one. They get men to do their dirty work for them. Fell free to ask me for a paper or study on this.
Can't we just speak of people who do horrible things instead of blanket scapegoating a ?
And you might say men created the system and men traumatize other men which causes more men to be violent and compete with other men to hurt more women and men.... But the weird thing about causality and attribution is that it isn't a linear path and the story ends wherever you arbitrarily choose it does.
Who were these men raised by? Who are more often than not the partners of these horrible men that allow them to commit their atrocities? If us men are all savages that will never have any sense of morality and are doomed to commit one atrocity after another, surely it's the responsibility of the humans that aren't monsters to reduce the harm we inevitably cause by existing. And what do women do in the face of this situation? Keep having sex with and producing more men. Thanks a lot, women... Thanks for not only having sex with the parents of the dudes that bullied me in high school, but also literally bringing them to this world and raising them with evil woman influence that brainwashed them into traumatizing me.
Ok so maybe I went just a little bit overboard but surely you understand my point. Can we not just talk about individuals that do horrible things? Cause if the problem is "men exist", the solution is easy. Women should just stop having sex with us. No more men. Problem solved in 1 generation. If you wanna be faster you could do like the 4 ladies I linked though.
Wow, you got here? I'm surprised... and flattered tbh. thanks for reading and feel free to somehow imply me having a penis reduces my value as a human being.
For real, though. I'm sorry for all the horrible men. And sure, I might be am an idiot and have opinions you find repulsive, but I know I'm not the only one genuinely doing the best I can to make the world nicer.
From one non-white man to another: you seem like a good hearted person, but I didn't say all of that and you're fighting windmills. I wish I could give you a longer reply but I've clocked in and I have to work, sadly. Take care, friend. 👋
I used questions to illustrate my point. My point was an invitation to reevaluate repeating a discourse that's harmful to society. Not just men.
If you'd like me to be more explicit about the statement I'm suggesting or what I actually believe, I'm more than glad to rephrase and elaborate.
I believe doing blanket attributions of to any is tribalistic hate speech regardless of how statistically likely the demographic is to commit them.
Humans are more than the demographics they belong to and we all have the ability to choose our own paths no matter where we come from or how we were born. Reducing an entire population to is not part of the problem, it is the problem.
No different than racism, elitism, classism or sexual discrimination. It's just plain dehumanization, which doesn't only lower the bar on the collective moral expectations over the group's members effectively making the horrendous acts more likely, it breeds generalized distrust and erodes empathy in society as a whole.
When you reduce groups of people, each a human being with their own circumstances and fears and struggles and trauma and feelings to "those ppl that do that horrible thing" you strip the individuals of the group you might actually meet and interact with from the benefit of doubt, the possibility of being different from what you attribute and perpetuate the very dynamic you resent them for.
I feel like the questions were a more elegant (and succinct) approach, but to each their own.
Dude, it's not that deep. Uber has a rapey problem and they figured out that this is the cheapest way to handle it.
give men the option to ride with men as well, and nobody will have an issue with this
Most of the comments here seem to be talking about the politics of the gender roles, but no one really seems to be mentioning that Uber should only be used as a very last resort. Call a Taxi, a friend, take public transit. Do not support the VC startup trash that doesn't pay their employees "contractors" living wage.
Came here expecting misogyny-adjacent comments.
...It met my expectations :/
The internet is never not a shitshow when it comes to women.
Except when it comes to a country like India or Japan. Then it's all like nodding and agreement that those men are creeps who need to be restrained.
These fucking comments. Anytime anything is done to make women safer men get up in arms and upset. "What about me?" cries the incel.
Thanks you for your service
This is a good thing if you ask most women
So what happens when the rider can't find a ride because 99% of drivers are men and it's the middle of the night? We never ask the hard questions, do we? Should sex discrimination in employment be legal? I've always felt bad for male masseuses, nurses and childcare providers having to deal with additional scrutiny and having money taken out of their pocket not because of merit but because of gender.
Well they'll just show the no drivers available screen and give the rider option to widen the search criteria?
This is the exact problem it is trying to solve.
Maybe you should not be allowed to choose a lady gyno or any other dr too? Or massage therapist? Or therapist in general. Or hair dresser. Or fucking anything else, huh?
Come on…
If everyone treated each other better, this entire post and thread would not be necessary.
Yeah I like it, men drive faster and better usually. And if you are really late you can ask to speed a little bit. Can we also choose who will cook our food? I find mens cooking much better. Win win overall.
I assume they can still choose male drivers if there are no female ones available.
For every women who gets a female driver there will be one, who don't. The only beneficiary of this change is Uber, they got positive publicity from delusional people unable to add 2 and 2. With regard to your point, I do not see a good solution in general, but adding more of it certainly does not help.
Men being triggered by this is so cringe. Ew.
The sad reality is that women have to worry about being attacked... Not all men are creepy but men need to also hold the shitty men accountable too. The "would you rather be in the woods with a bear or a random man" question broke the internet because it was a strong argument and made a lot of men think about who even they feel comfortable with if alone in the woods.... Most men said the bear, too... Idk many men who are deathly afraid of women and this isnt me saying that men havent been raped, abused, attacked. No human should have to experience ANY intimate violence. The risks are just less statistically. Its not weird to try and mitigate violence on any app...
i have only ever been sexually harassed by male uber drivers. this is a nice feature
I was once harassed pretty horribly by a lady driver.
Long story...
As soon as I got in the car, she handed me her cell phone and told me to put my favorite song on (wtf), not taking no for an answer and not accepting her phone back. While I eventually realized I couldn't hand her back her phone without a song on, I started looking through Spotify. She started asking very personal and increasingly more intimate questions. The tone was very authoritative too. It felt like she was demanding me to answer.
At first I just gave non answers to, hinting discomfort and lack of interest, but then had to clearly and plainly tell her her questions were making me uncomfortable. She laughed it off, asked why I felt that way and then kept asking things that were completely inappropriate, very bluntly. It was an extremely intense conversation and I felt like I was being interrogated as some kind of weird power trip thing.
Eventually I stopped answering (sometimes I forget conversations are optional), kept quiet for a few questions and I asked some small talk things just to take the focus off my intimate life. I asked how her day had been, how long she Ubered for and what was going on in her life.
Pot twist: Turns out she had just been dumped from the only relationship she had in her life, which had lasted about 8 years. She was basically having a mental breakdown and trying to talk her way out of it in the worst possible way. She may have also been neurodivergent.
I told her about a breakup I had that was horrible and how I eventually bounced back. We then talked about life and what mattered to us. Ended up shaking hands and wishing each other well when she dropped me off.
Does this prove anything? No.
Is it good that people can choose the gender of their driver? Sure, I guess.
What was the point of my story? Erm... Is there a point? i guess maybe sometimes creepiness is just a sensitive person going through some shit? I just wanted to share tbh.
She did harass the shit out of me, despite me never feeling in physical danger next to her (which of course would have made the dynamic completely different), but idk she was also a nice person.
Honestly, there's no point to my story and I'm not trying to prove anything. I've just never talked about this, your comment just brought the memory back and I felt like writing it out.
If you got here, thanks for reading and I'm truly sorry for all the ways you suffer and face terrifying situations I am unable to understand.
I should get some sleep. Have a good one.
Is there a setting where women can choose a bear preference?
So does this mean there is going to gender verification to go along with age verification?
Seems like something that would happen in this timeline.
As a man I also want to select a female driver only. Seriously here in the Netherlands if you get a male driver good chance it's some agro 20 year old high on NOx who also hates queers. I'm not even queer but I don't want my money going to cunts like that.
Lyft had been doing that for a while.
Also,
Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.
Lyft been doing this since last year too. In Chicago our group of 5 was told to have our two men seated in the back row because the driver wasn't comfortable with men. We were confused but the driver knew the ride was requested by a woman in our group and therefore assumed the whole group for the Lyft XL would be women I guess?
It really irks me when people change the titles of the articles they link to to try to fit their narrative. Because sadly people dont really click through to the article. Just share the real title and give your commentary on the comments.
Good
Driving for one of these companies is a hard wash anyways. I'm glad women can get out safe though. Personally I don't care who picks me up, I can small talk with anyone and not be threatening. I have 4 daughters and a wife. I don't need more women drama.
The "best solutuon that doesn't alienate the predators and therefore their money" award goes to. The platform moderation must be in an abysmal state. I consistently get drivers that go 70 through the city (speed limit is 50) I imagine just as much is being done about sexual harassment as bad driving.
I consistently get drivers that go 70 through the city (speed limit is 50)
Not only that, but the same people will call you a bad driver for not breaking the speed limit
Alhamdulillah, the women are imposing Sharia upon themselves.
They should call it Niqab Level Service and charge double.
Makes me wonder if the next option will be language.
It’s things like this that make me, as a man, to prefer male servers/drivers.
If women chose other women, that’s fine but I do feel bad about the men getting less work, so I think it’s only fair to balance the demand gap by allowing men to chose male servers/drivers.
That behaviour would probably have the opposite effect that the people who created this rule would want.
That behaviour would probably have the opposite effect that the people who created this rule would want.
Why are you suggesting that? Ignoring capitalistic incentives, the rule is theoretically in place to increase safety. Your decision would have no impact on safety so I'm not sure why you think it would have the opposite effect.
they are choosing women drivers for their safety, you are throwing a tantrum because women wanting to feel safe in the face of a systemic and well documented issue has hurt your feelings.
A small percentage of women will ever face any sort of harassment from male drivers.
At the same time, all male drivers will be affected by this feature, reducing their life-supporting income through no fault of their own, simply because they have "male" in their documents. I think that's the point.
A small percentage of women will ever face any sort of harassment from male drivers.
Ask any women in your life, it is not a small percentage. And you dismissing their safety concerns and prioritizing your comfort is the exact reason why this is necessary.
If all men would look at this and say "Sucks that this is needed, but way too many men are genuinely dangerous and we should actively purge them from our institutions so in the future solutions like this won't be needed" then we would not have a problem in the first place. It is people like you that makes half the population afraid and anxious about the other half.
Prioritizing your comfort
No, prioritizing survivability of all and forcing us to make reasonable long-term solutions that would actually work for all. This decision will slash into male drivers' life sustaining income while also perpetuating the "man = perpetrator" mentality that only reinforces the anxieties. We have to find ways to live together, not build walls to pretend we're safe.
Purge dangerous men from institutions
Absolutely! No conflict here between us, harassment should not be tolerated in any way, shape or form. I just think that simply "removing men" is not a good solution even as a band-aid.
Some men are dangerous and better kept away. Most men aren't. People understand this clearly when it's told about other groups, but somehow not men.
You can thank conservatives for this needing to occur. And when I say conservatives, I'm not simply talking about white, christian males either. I'm talking about ALL conservatives.
Edit: To be truly blunt, I am referring to the child rapists in America, the goat fuckers from the middle east, the child murderers from Israel, the rapists from India, and so on. The vast majority of everyone I listed is right wing.
Ah we've never seen this before. Something something Epstein.
Male drivers dominate the app. Don't exactly know what this achieves other than being performative
Totally fine with this, they actually should get rid of ability to share a ride.
Uber doesn’t deserve much credit for this…they’re just streamlining a behaviour that’s already present among their drivers and customers. It’s a business decision.
Very fair nowadays, you should never trust anyone, and our society should be based on anti-trust. Humans lost their trust license, and only some sort of genetic engineering project on a massive scale would be able to fix that.
I perfectly understand why women are intimidated by men, some strong, potentially entitled guy can do god knows what to you if he chooses violence.
Why leave it to chance?
Women's fear of men seems like it will naturally encourage gender segregation in society. If women have control of the formation of that segregation it will move toward privileges and advantages exclusive to women. Since society has finite resources, any community resources that are used exclusively for the beneficial segregation of women, can easily produce inequalities. This is a problem without a fair or equitable solution.
Since we're doing unsubstantiated conclusions, we'll be better off with women in charge. Because, women being human, they are capable of vile self-serving and that works out well for everyone.
You're free to do so and people are free to disagree if they find your claims engaging. How many comments on the internet do you think are unsubstantiated claims? I'm guessing this isn't the response you give for the vast majority of them, is it? What compelled you to do so for this one?
Not clear because I still don't know your original position. Your comment was unclear and I apologize for my response, as it did not contribute. For myself, I am opposed to misogyny.
women wanting equal rights while refusing to commit their fair share of violent crimes is bullshit.
It's shocking to me how so many people I know who are woke as fuck and quick to shout down any bigotry are so quick to drop all of their principles to hate men.
Segregation never works, and only serves to foster fear, hatred, and division within society You cannot define what a "woman" is in a way that excluded trans-women without also excluding some cis-women with them Your gender identity is what you say it is. Others should do their best to remember any pronouns or name changes Crime is too complicated and nuanced to be reduced to statistics, which are often used by racists and bigots to justify racist and bigoted policies It's racist to cross to the other side of the street when a person of color comes walking towards you on the side you currently are on. It's up to you to "Men" are evil monsters who cannot be trusted and need to be locked away
It baffles me how so many people can have all of these ideas, including the last one, and not see the cognitive dissonance there. It's succumbing to fear and hatred, the same methods of divisive propaganda that has harmed every other group.
Because they form their worldview around their own interests, without realizing it. The label of progressive does a lot to assume moral right and inclusiveness which hides biases of self interest. Many of the beleifs people hold were not formed from the effort of reasoning by them but adopted from the authority of progressive ideology. Religion works in much the same way. It takes concerted effort, emotional regulation and sacrifice to build a rational and consistent worldview which is something most people, even progressives, rarely attempt.
can we have an option to not get a ride with you specifically? regardless of your gender
that's good news.
Men could quit being disgusting predators..
How would you know? Ask your friends and father, your siblings and uncles, how many of them have sexually assulted or harassed a woman; do you believe them? Have you ever cat called or leered? Made inappropriate jokes or comments? Are you a rapist?
More than 1/3 of women have been sexually assaulted; that means of your mom and grand mothers one of them has likely been vicitimized by the male bullshit you are trying to claim isnt an issue. Why not ask them? Think you can handle the truth?
Sexual assault rates of women are not direct indicators of the number of, or gender of, perpetrators. 1/3 of women being victims doesn't make 1/3 of men perpetrators. That does not follow.
Asking people if they're a sexual abuser isn't going to have them saying yes. This is a known barrier in research to getting accurate information of prevalence because people won't be honest if you ask them if they are an abuser. So asking men I know really isn't great advice, is it?
Also let me guess, 1/3 of women experience sexual assault of some kind, at some point in their life? That's a pretty wide net to cast...
Perhaps you can clarify what makes someone a 'disgusting predator' so we're both not he same page?
I wish I could opt out of interacting with men in more parts of society. Kind of crazy they weren't doing this sooner.
People who talk like this tend to not interact with anyone, they just sit in their house all day writing comments like this
Of course you would know... 🙄
this smells like a setup for some legal strategy against trans-folks.
but it still seems like a good idea.
can i have only uber rides from drivers with a credit rating under 600 ? rich people are scary af.
this smells like a setup for some legal strategy against trans-folks
Funny thing is, you're absolutely right. Even if Uber doesn't mean to lay the groundwork for a future culture war, they would love more infighting while they can shirk responsibility towards their workers.
a rich person driving for uber? lol
Women Preferences would make a good band name
I used a tone indicator to denote sarcasm, especially about the part I put in bold. You should read my comment as, there is more than one problem with Uber.
Is that a controversial take on Lemmy?
It's a "no shit" comment.
People are tired of these lazy negative takes and are letting you know that you're putting them out there. For my part I end up deleting a fair amount of my posts/comments after I type them these days, noting internally that I am doing little more than whinging for the sake thereof; give it a whirl sometime.
The biggest "no shit" comment was @Wammityblam@lemmy.world's brave "As a man, I'll get flak for this, but Uber's PR piece is good and woke" one. Meanwhile, the reason Uber has these problems remains unaddressed.
But I guess Uber is the Woke Women Loving Hero of the Day, huh.
(You didn't happen to enjoy the No Shit Rainbow Company Good comment, and get soured by people pointing out this'll actually hurt minorities, did you?)
This is a sign of lack of real progress. Real progress would be building a society where people don't choose the bear and genders arent something that divide us. Feels shitty to be viewed as a predator.
Uber is not society. It is making a decision it thinks will increase its revenue. It is indeed a sign of a lack of progress, but the people responsible for the progress you want are us. I'm not chiming in on the policy itself, but your comment makes it feel like you are not as committed to the progress you want made. There are men in this thread saying that they hate what women have to put up with, but understand it and want them to feel safe. That's not what I'm getting from your comment. If I had to choose between being in a forest with you vs them I'd choose them because it seems like you're more concerned with how you're perceived than how other people are actually affected. I can imagine that being viewed as a predator must be uncomfortable, but women are often viewed as prey and that's not great either. I don't want to start playing at oppression olympics, but the fact that a post about a move to theoretically increase women's safety has you responding about your feelings as a perceived predator makes it seem like you don't think we as a society should do things that make women feel safer because it makes you feel like you're being viewed as a predator.
I for the most part don't mind being around male strangers, but the ones that give me extra room on a sidewalk or in a bar are undoubtedly the ones I'm most comfortable around and ones I'd be most likely to engage with. Not because the others make me feel unsafe but because they make me feel safe. It's like if you invite someone into your house you can offer them food or a drink to help them feel comfortable or you can just not. You're not necessarily a bad person for not offering something, just potentially perceived as less inviting. Society is still seen and felt as the dominion of men for a lot of people, so when men go out of their way to make space for us, it signals that they are friendly and welcoming and want us to feel safe. I think if you want to work on that divide, the best thing to do is make the women you're around feel safe. It's unfortunate, but it's up to us to destigmatize our own identities. I just don't think your comment does that.
And the interesting question is what if XY human being identifies itself as a woman?
It is ineresting because a man could pretend that he idetifies himself as a woman. What should a driver/passenged do in such a situation?
I wonder what happens when the guy identifies as a woman.
We should have fewer male babies.
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Probably gonna get flak for this, but as a man, I have no issues if women want to stick with other women and I don’t particularly care if I have the option to pick whatever driver I want.
Obviously weirdness and sexual misconduct can occur to both men and women from both men and women, but it’s disingenuous as hell to pretend that men being weird or sexual towards women isn’t the most common by a colossal margin.
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