different design philosophies

4 days ago by not_IO to c/linuxmemes

TheMightyCat 408 points 4 days ago

without features that few people are going to use

Every KDE user has shaken the mouse once just to see how big it gets, this is a critical feature!

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eager_eagle 100 points 4 days ago

yeah, I have a 65" TV connected and it gets comically large. I wouldn't be nearly as productive without it.

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UntouchedWagons 60 points 4 days ago

I knew the cursor got bigger but I didn't know it would keep growing.

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devfuuu 71 points 4 days ago

It all depends on the stimulation.

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decolo 70 points 4 days ago

if your cursor enlarges for over 4 hours please see a doctor

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Gormadt 21 points 3 days ago

That way they can admire it too

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Damage 18 points 3 days ago

It jumps up quickly to a bigger size and then keeps increasing more slowly if you keep shaking it.

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spicytuna62 35 points 4 days ago

I've never even tried this, but now I'm gonna have to give it a whirl.

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Sturgist 38 points 4 days ago

Super useful for if, like myself, you lose track of your cursor quite often.

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iknewitwhenisawit 26 points 3 days ago

"He can't see us if we don't move."

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Sturgist 5 points 3 days ago

Except that I usually AM moving it....just sometimes ADHD brain goes:

OMFG! WHAT'S THAT OVER THERE!

And then I have no idea where the cursor is even when I'm moving it. I had no idea about the cursor enlargement effect until one day my mouse ran out of battery and wasn't waking up fast enough, so I was clicking and moving it back and forth really fast...got a bit of a fright when it suddenly got several times larger.

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Buffalox 13 points 4 days ago

Doesn't work for me in KDE anymore???

Edit:
It stopped working because I switched back to X11, it only works in Wayland, but I had to switch back, I think it was because some hot keys don't work and can't be configured under Wayland. Or at least couldn't when I configured my system about a year ago.

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RQG 20 points 3 days ago

The secret reason Wayland is superior.

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Buffalox 3 points 3 days ago

Unfortunately I had to switch back to X11 because Plasma on Wayland lacked a feature I need.

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elvith 17 points 3 days ago

Well, now X11 lacks a feature you want…

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matlag 2 points 2 days ago

At last we found a killer feature for its users!

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Ertain 11 points 4 days ago

Now that I think about it, I should shake the cursor in KDE more.

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iknewitwhenisawit 31 points 3 days ago

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JackbyDev 7 points 3 days ago

Beeeg

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eestileib 10 points 3 days ago

That was the thing I texted my friends about when I started using KDE. 😄 I loved it, perfect self-affording feature.

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snowe 10 points 3 days ago

I use it probably ten times a day!

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tauonite 4 points 3 days ago

I sometimes do it at work out of boredom

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Mac 2 points 3 days ago

I did it often until i learned it crashes some games :(

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matlag 1 point 2 days ago

Yeah, I had not realized it was growing and growing further. I just played with it. It got huge.

Now there's no coming back. If you take away that feature, be ready for WAR!

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coralof 1 point 2 days ago

I tried KDE once (normally a GNOME user) and I couldn't stop shaking the mouse to see how absurdly large I could make it. 😂

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BananaTrifleViolin 215 points 4 days ago

If Gnome ran a restaurant, the waiter chooses the meal for you, and tut & shake their head if you try to deviate from it.
If KDE ran a restaurant, if you shake the menu it'll grow exponentially in size until it fills the restaurant.

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PabloSexcrowbar 34 points 4 days ago

The gnome type of restaurant is called prix fixe, and it very much exists.

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confusedbytheBasics 17 points 4 days ago

That type of restaurant tends to be among the best in the world.

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RQG 29 points 3 days ago

Which makes sense. If each day you offer one choice you can make that one really good.

But for someone who doesn't like that specific food it doesn't work. They'd prefer having different options.

Kind of similar with gnome and KDE.

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sem 2 points a day ago

The difference is, most people go to a restaurant to eat food, so the restaurant can get really good at making food that humans eat.

People use a computer system to do all kinds of things. It is a lot harder to make one choice that will please everybody.

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dustyData 1 point 3 days ago

Yes, and 99.9% of the meals you eat in your life will not be there. Because it is either prohibitively expensive and elitist gourmet BS. Or it is trivially easy to offer some choice when it is not elitist gourmet BS.

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PabloSexcrowbar 2 points 3 days ago

Even at a more mundane restaurant, only having one meal for each course to worry about drastically simplifies life for the entire back line, plus it makes life easier for the chef or whoever does the ordering as well.

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dustyData 1 point 3 days ago

Even low fixed price day-menu restaurants in my town offer some basic choice or variation. People have food limitations and preferences.

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OwOarchist 30 points 4 days ago

If Gnome ran a restaurant, the waiter chooses the meal for you, and tut & shake their head if you try to deviate from it.

And if you want to add salt and pepper to your meal, there's a convenient store across the street that sells salt and pepper shakers. No, the Gnome restaurant will not be providing them.

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Dave 13 points 3 days ago

I'm a GNOME user and extensions are pretty easy to install. I use the wiggly extension for the mouse shake to grow thing, but unfortunately it has a maximum size of 256 which is plenty big enough to find it but you can't shake it forever until it grows bigger than the screen. GNOME 0 KDE 1 🥲

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dreamkeeper 6 points 3 days ago

People hate on Gnome but I think it's actually great UI. Lots of hardcore Linux users shit on the windows UI but insist that Windows 7 UI clones are somehow peak UX. Gnome is more similar to Mac, but I find even easier to use. The super key is money on Gnome.

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Dave 5 points 3 days ago

Yeah I tried KDE for a while, people talked about how customisable it is that you can do anything. But I never found a way to recreate that super key experience.

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Bluewing 3 points 3 days ago

And those extensions are easily borked due to some random update. Because reasons. Been there done that. Still waiting for my "Gnome Borked My Favorite Extension" tee shirt.

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red_tomato 9 points 3 days ago

The Gnome waiter just stares in shock and confusion when you mention that you have nut allergy

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confusedbytheBasics -1 points 2 days ago

Are you implying GNOME is the ableist desktop environment? It might be even though it has lots of accessibility features.

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dustyData 1 point 19 hours ago

Implication or not. GNOME is hit or miss with accessibility features. They've done some stuff, but they could still do more at no particular greater cost to them other than a shift in attitude. Which…you know… GNOME.

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Ptsf 134 points 4 days ago

The massive cursor during shake is literally what sold two of my friends on Garuda getting them off Windows 😂 idk why I guess the wimsy factor is difficult to account for.

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lemmyng 62 points 4 days ago

The cube thing from compiz had a similar effect back in the earlier years of Ubuntu.

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Buffalox 23 points 4 days ago

Compiz was insanely cool, it was better than anything we have today.

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CaptDust 30 points 4 days ago

I use burn my windows and desktop cube with Gnome extensions. Kwin still supports many of these effects too. It's fun to see people's reaction.

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Buffalox 14 points 4 days ago

Some of the effects have become mainstream. But there is no comparison to the real Compiz feel.
For instance the original Emerald windows dresser was amazing, and zooming with the scroll wheel combined with for instance the left win key was extremely useful. The smoothness and configurability of the cube was crazy cool.

What is available today is hollow shells of what we had.
Yes I use wobbly windows in KDE, but Compiz is 100x > Plasma.

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jdr 5 points 3 days ago

We still have Compiz today, you can still run it.

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Buffalox 3 points 3 days ago

Thanks and yes I know.
But AFAIK it was mostly limited to Ubuntu Unity and XFCE for a long time, and support became shaky.
I actually looked it up just before, and it seems Mint has support for it, but looking at the emerald themes it looks nothing like it did back in the day where it was new and revolutionizing. Also I'm lazy, I don't care to fiddle so much with my computer anymore.

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Bluewing 3 points 3 days ago

Compiz was Da Bomba! But I still get my Cube and exploding windows in KDE

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Buffalox 1 point 3 days ago

Unfortunately KDE still has serious shortcomings compared to what was possible with Compiz.
For instance hot keys cannot be bound to mouse keys. Which is extremely annoying here 20 years later that it can't.
Until recently you couldn't even bind them to numpad keys! Because QT didn't support it. So it was the same for ALL QT programs.
I like KDE it is a decent desktop, but even today it is not as good as Compiz was 20 years ago.

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BananaTrifleViolin 15 points 4 days ago

Yeah, I love just shaking the mouse when I'm bored or waiting for something to finish downloading.

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Simon_Shitewood 2 points 4 days ago

Sometimes I jiggle the mouse just to see how big I can make it

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Beth 6 points 4 days ago

Well, my first thought was also “I need to try it” so they are not alone

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CaffeinatedCubits 3 points 3 days ago

Wait until they find it you can make the windows wiggle when you shake them.

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bjoern_tantau 1 point 3 days ago

Always the first thing I enable.

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smeg 1 point 19 hours ago

I discovered this when configuring a new machine the other day, great fun and I was sad to disable it when I discovered it made moving and resizing windows much more fiddly :'(

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Grail 3 points 3 days ago

I have the pipes screensaver and space cadet pinball (I use Arch btw)

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rtxn 116 points 4 days ago

GNOME's design philosophy is "we've determined that nobody needs this feature".

KDE's is "we've determined that nobody needs this feature... but it would be really cool, fuck it, we ball cube".

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copygirl 68 points 4 days ago

fuck it, we ball cube

This is KDE we're talking about, so it would definitely be "fuck it, we kube".

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Grail 9 points 3 days ago

Klitoris

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BlackLaZoR 4 points 3 days ago

Kdefile

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Bluewing 2 points 3 days ago

Can there even be life without the lovely and amazing Kube? It would certainly not be worth living.

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jdr 12 points 4 days ago

"we've determined that nobody needs this feature"

How? Trust me bro! Users hate features, they get all confused and stuff. That's why nobody should ever choose anything, the OS should just be shit forever. We also get paid by Microsoft and IBM coincidentally.

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dreamkeeper 5 points 3 days ago

We also get paid by Microsoft and IBM coincidentally.

Microsoft and IBM both donate to the Linux Foundation itself. They are both platinum members who regularly give them funds for all kinds of projects. This is really idiotic gotcha attempt.

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jdr 1 point 3 days ago

A donation isn't quite the same as pay (as in salary)! I'm thinking of Miguel de Icaza and Lennart Poettering, for example.

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mirshafie 4 points 3 days ago

Is GNOME Microsoft's controlled opposition?

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stardreamer 8 points 3 days ago

Well who needs systrays anyways? While we're at it, let's remove theming support too! Surely nobody would miss that feature?

I really miss KDE. Sadly my experience with new major versions (5, 6) tends to be that plasma is unstable for daily use for at least a year or two. I'll be back once things settle down a bit.

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uniquethrowagay 18 points 3 days ago

Plasma 6 has been nothing but great for me! Not a single crash ever since it released. It's nothing like the beginning of Plasma 5

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stardreamer 3 points 3 days ago

Sadly my problems are with buggy applications, and hdr (more of a monitor issue than plasma itself). I'm hoping these get patched as more people yell at bad wayland support and poorly implemented hdr.

Somehow, under GNOME things "just work". Or at least it doesn't take down the entire session.

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rtxn 4 points 3 days ago

"It implements client-side decorations, or it gets the hose again!"

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antianarchist 83 points 4 days ago

I will update as soon as I have found my cursor on my 4k screen.

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Gormadt 17 points 3 days ago

Don't quote me on this but I think it's somewhere to the right side of the screen. Somewhere in the chat window I think.

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FuglyDuck 78 points 3 days ago

Kde’s mouse growing big is actually useful though.

Ever lose your mouse? Just a wiggle- which is an action I take anyway to find it- and it gets easier to find, for a moment.

Lets me make the mouse tiny.

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KoboldCoterie 57 points 3 days ago

Yes, and the low-resolution pointer when you do this excessively is just unacceptable. I'm glad they're finally addressing this pressing concern.

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FuglyDuck 7 points 3 days ago

The just added a high res image or whatever rather than scaling it up. Someone probably fixed it in their spare time.

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Shayeta 18 points 3 days ago

What? Why isn't it just a vector graphic?

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programmerlexi 13 points 3 days ago

Because it uses the XCursor format, which is a quite old standard. Getting apps to switch to a newer standard that has vector graphics is already hard enough. Getting them to do so without burning your GPU is basically impossible.

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Ross_audio 10 points 3 days ago

You have to re-render vector graphics when you zoom in. Otherwise they have the same pixels stored in memory as when they were first opened.

You are always viewing a bitmap image because you have a bitmap display and it makes sense they don't load a full size cursor into memory to get rendered.

I'd be curious as to if they've rendered a full size image to sit in memory, or re-render the vector image directly as it grows.

Given the way games work re-rendering would be trivial for any computer running KDE so I'd take that bet.

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SystemDisc 5 points 3 days ago

I would assume they replaced it with an SVG that is rasterized on demand instead of a very high resolution rasterized image.

In terms of coding effort, just replacing a PNG is the easiest, but it's also the least correct solution, imo.

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avocado 13 points 3 days ago

That's coincidentally also what I do when I can't find my dick

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HouseWolf 8 points 2 days ago

KDE - We added a neat accessibility feature.

Gnome - THIS GOES AGAINST EVERYTHING WE STAND FOR AND ANYONE ASKING FOR IT SHOULD FEEL BAD!

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JamesBoeing737MAX 4 points 2 days ago

I turned it off. I never need it or want it. But I won't hate anyone else who uses it like gnome devs do.

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MrScottyTay 2 points 2 days ago

It's also a nice time waster to try and see how big you can get it before whatever it is you're waiting for is done

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McGuirk808 72 points 3 days ago

I don't need this feature even a little bit.

In lieu of this, I have consistently used this feature at least twice a week ever since I found it by accident. It adds a little joy to my day.

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muusemuuse 22 points 3 days ago

I think it’s more “I found a thing that’s technically wrong and fixed it” and that shit pays dividends down the road when technology changes and people forget this was ever an issue. They solved it now so they don’t have to solve it later.

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otacon239 72 points 4 days ago

Oh my gosh finally! I can enjoy the vector experience! I’ve always felt this was missing from KDE. I would show my friends all the benefits of Linux, but when I showed them by wasting approximately 1-2 minutes, you could embiggen your mouse cursor to absurd proportions, their eyes lit up unlike anything before. They wanted it the moment they knew the potential of infinite cursor sizing.

But I often made the amateur mistake of embiggening a few pixels too far and their delight would rapidly plunge into disappointment as they came to the realization that it was simply scaling up a raster render of the cursor in a lazy post-processed Easter egg.

They all leave the room in a huff, sending my attempts to reach out directly to voicemail, unanswered. But this. This will change everything. Thank you KDE. This is what we had all been waiting for.

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BananaTrifleViolin 23 points 4 days ago

Yeah, I'm sure the KDE Foundation spent this year's entire budget on this, and it wasn't just a fun little side project for one of the many volunteers who keep open source going.

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otacon239 17 points 4 days ago

Oh, I love KDE. It’s my daily and I have used about a dozen DEs over the past. I just wanted to have some fun with creative writing.

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DrunkVulcan 66 points 3 days ago

I really love this feature, it gives me something to do while waiting for pages to load in Firefox.

When I connect to my living room TV, I can have a cursor over three feet tall.

My daughter holds the current household record by getting the cursor size so big that the whole screen is blank.

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mirshafie 9 points 3 days ago

Blank screen from cursor shake goes hard.

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Laser 46 points 4 days ago

Often times when there was a big new update for GNOME, I'd try it out, decide I still don't like the concept and go back to plasma.

I don't get the appeal of that desktop. Even the tiniest changes need gnome-tweaks? Why isn't that stuff part of the base settings? But ok. You can't ungimp GNOME. The usage concept is baked into it. Fine. But why?

I mean there must be people who want this and nothing else, otherwise people wouldn't use it.

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MoffKalast 26 points 4 days ago

For me it kinda always went something like this:

"Hey can I have window labels on my taskbar? And maybe quicklaunch. Also can I type in paths in the file manager?"

KDE: "Sure no prob."

GNOME: "You are an enemy of Christ."

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memphis 17 points 4 days ago

I don't really like to talk about it on here because people are very hostile towards GNOME and its users, but I used it (extensionless, tweakless) for about 4 years up until recently. Very comfy and efficient workflow in my opinion. I think a lot of people don't take the time to understand how it works, they get frustrated and want their alt-tabbing and minimizing back. Either way I don't really care. No emotional attachment to any DE, and I use neither GNOME nor Plasma right now.

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Bhaelfur 5 points 4 days ago

I use neither GNOME nor Plasma right now.

What do you use currently? I've been using GNOME for a few years now, but I like to try new things (then switch back to GNOME, naturally.)

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memphis 5 points 3 days ago

Currently using niri. It's not easy to explain, but you could say it takes GNOME's concept of infinite horizontal workspaces and applies it to individual windows.

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Bhaelfur 2 points a day ago

That's one I've been meaning to try out. Do you use Niri with Noctalia or some other Quick Shell implementation with it? I've been looking at Noctalia and DMS.

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Aganim 17 points 4 days ago

Because putting QoL improvements and having an effective workflow behind a bunch of plugins that break on the tiniest Gnome update is all part of the user experience I guess. I've given it several tries over the past 20 years or so, but each attempt eventually ended in utter disappointment.

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disorderly 9 points 4 days ago

I don't believe you. Gnome 2 was pretty much universally loved (hence the existence of Cinnamon, which is a direct descendant), and people were pissed about the tablet-oriented Gnome 3. You'd know this if you used Gnome 20 years ago.

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Aganim 11 points 4 days ago

Well, my apologies for misremembering the exact Gnome 3 launch date. Turns out that was 15 years ago instead of 20. You caught me red-handed sir.

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Bluewing 3 points 3 days ago

As KDE user, Gnome 2 was the best Gnome has ever been, (Cinnamon is a good offspring of it though). I used the carp out of it. I cried and drank myself to sleep for days after Gnome 3 replaced it.

I have even bigger hopes for COSMIC. If DE any can run a black sword through Gnome 3, it will be COSMIC.

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jdr 1 point 3 days ago

I used gnome then, when Ubuntu would send you free CDs and GNOME was poo-flavoured. It was harder to set things up then, and I kind of see why people gave up and used some hack of the windowing kit from GIMP. Much has happened it 20 years though. KDE got worse (imho, but we have Trinity), GNOME stayed worse, and Linux became easy and mainstream.

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cadekat 13 points 4 days ago

I guess I'm one of the few people who matches gnome pretty well. I actually appreciate that the default is 90% of what I need, and don't mind if the last 10% is maintained outside of the core project. Scope creep and all that.

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VonReposti 12 points 4 days ago

You don't even have a reliable way to keep track of your disk usage anymore. That was the final drop for me when they removed "Other locations" where I could see how much space was left. The Disk Usage Analyzer app is a complete mess and don't give an easy "you got 10 gigs left mate." I had to resort to the terminal to get good accurate measures. Now I have a percentage in my taskbar in Plasma.

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Scrollone 5 points 3 days ago

GNOME used to be good until version 2. Then the developers went insane and all subsequent versions of GNOME feel like they've been designed by someone who has never worked in his life.

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BladeFederation 4 points 4 days ago

My conspiracy theory is that it is pushed so much by Red Hat because they have optimized it to be as boring and distraction free as possible to increase productivity in an enterprise context. It is useless outside of that.

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harmbugler 4 points 3 days ago

That's what I like about it. I use my computer to use applications and it gets out of the way.

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BladeFederation 4 points 3 days ago

Not that I don't understand this in general, I just find it harder to actually do normal computer stuff I do. No dock, very little info in the top taskbar. That's why I said an enterprise context specifically. You'll usually open an app or two and leave it at that, maybe occasionally switch desktops to go to your second of 2 apps. Anything more than that is actively a pain. And why not ALLOW changes that don't rely on plugins? That's what really gets me. Maybe the devs believe in the maximizing of space, but then just auto hide the dock by default like macOS or even just turn it off by default instead of not even including it? That's the part that gets to me. And it is sure not using that lack of features to optimize responsiveness or lower storage size. It's the most thicc DE out there.

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harmbugler 4 points 3 days ago

Different strokes for different folks, I guess.

For me the info I want is behind the Super key. Show open apps? Super. Show the dock? Super. Search? Super. Mostly I use the dock for occasionally opening the Apps menu or the System Menu to connect something Bluetooth or change network settings. I agree it could go, but then any casual users might get lost looking at an entirely blank screen.

GNOME is very opinionated about the desktop design, which maybe explains the plugin situation, why they were the first(?) to drop X11 etc. And there's always KDE, XFCE and others.

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WhyJiffie 3 points 3 days ago

kde plasma does not get in your way, though

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Takapapatapaka 3 points 4 days ago

I didnt try KDE and only used GNOME and XFCE, but i guess it's easy and clean side. I immediately get a hold of most applications, and everything feels polished without touching anything. And when i want to get something specific, i'm generally fine with complex tweakings, so the weird ways of finetuning it don't really bother me.

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kolmaskommentoija 1 point 3 days ago

I mean there must be people who want this and nothing else,

Honestly I am on gnome, because I do not know shit about linux. I did not even know what gnome or plasma were, when I started, barely still understand the difference even now. I just picked some distros that were recommended for a total noob coming from windows, and stuck with the one I liked the best.

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DiabolicalBird 1 point 2 days ago

I like GNOME's workflow, more importantly it breaks less often than KDE does for me. My fiance's computer uses KDE because it has a more Windows-like UI, it's also the one that runs into weird graphical glitches and issues.

Examples, we plugged the new TV into it to watch something recently, since then the lock screen started glitching the fuck out having two different clocks flickering overtop of each other, even back on the original monitors.

New headphones didn't work right away because it had defaulted to an incompatible audio stream, changing it was buried under three different menus... we knew it wasn't the headphones because they worked fine with my computer, using GNOME. I've never had to dig through settings like that to use headphones with any other OS or desktop environment, but I did with KDE.

From the sheer amount of people that recommend KDE I have to assume that for most people it works, and that's great. My experience is that it's buggy and fiddly to use, GNOME for me is not. It's what I use on my main computer so that I don't have to troubleshoot stupid shit when I get off work. I like the less cluttered UI and the multi-desktop focused layout, plus it feels WAY more polished than KDE which has always felt jank to me.

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Treczoks 45 points 3 days ago

As someone who's eye sight is getting worse, I really love this KDE Plasma feature.

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The_v 23 points 3 days ago

Dude, everyone I show this too loves this feature. It's such a simple solution to an ongoing issue.

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black0ut 19 points 3 days ago

Back when I used Windows, many years ago, I used to have the setting that drew a ring around the cursor when you pressed ctrl. It was annoying when you used ctrl for anything else, and it was also visually ugly. You also had to remember about it when you lost the mouse, which is more difficult than it sounds like.

Needless to say, I love this feature from KDE. Not only is it way more intuitive to use and more unlikely to accidentally happen, but it also looks way better. And the fact that it keeps growing indefinitely is such a nice and fun addition.

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MonkeMischief 5 points 3 days ago

Dang you know what I miss? Mouse trails. I used to enable that on every machine I touched and it would annoy my dad. 😂

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Bluewing 3 points 3 days ago

You can add WindTrail to KDE if you want it. But you need to add it, it's not a stock choice.

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thatKamGuy 4 points 3 days ago

Windows PowerToys still offers this feature, and the shortcut can be remapped and disabled.

I think I’ve got it set to triple Ctrl on my work laptop? Really helps reduce the accidental triggers.

As an aside - I’m still trying to find a similar solution to FancyZones for CachyOS, don’t suppose you have any suggestions?

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esc 3 points 3 days ago

I'm not sure what fancy zones is, some kind of manual tiling as far as 10 seconds of search shown? That is available in kde by default, you can change layout by pressing win+t, then when pressing shift and dragging a window it will highlite nearest tile and tile automatically.

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lfox02 2 points 3 days ago path: 0 25332732 25333469 25333739 25334781 25338619, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 1
ProfessorHoover 1 point 3 days ago

You might be able to do all the stuff you use fancy zones for using a tiling plugin or wm. I prefer Niri but the downside is all the tiling wms I've tried require you to setup zones in text files which can be a bit confusing and intimidating the first time.

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yardratianSoma 6 points 3 days ago

yeah, I mean, I only have 2 monitors, but since I use the sway window manager, I have it configured to automatically highlight the window that my cursor is under, so it kind of supersedes the need for a cursor locator. And all but my active window are set to dim as well, makes finding where I'm at much easier.

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MML 2 points 3 days ago

I feel like it could easily be explained in a tutorial or something I completely ignored, found out about it by sitting a mouse on corner of glass desk.

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Nalivai 43 points 3 days ago

Calling Gnome simple and straightforward is quite a funny joke actually

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AnUnusualRelic 23 points 3 days ago

But ar least it's without features that few people are going to use, so there's that.

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iuseasahibtw 38 points 3 days ago

KDE remains the superior choice.

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RickyRigatoni 38 points 3 days ago

This is genuinely a useful feature for people who easily lose their cursor.

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Agent641 33 points 3 days ago

You know what doesn't get bigger when you shake it?

Babies.

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muusemuuse 9 points 3 days ago

JFC, lol

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BlackLaZoR 3 points 3 days ago

JFC, lol

Unknown file formats

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Mobile 1 point 3 days ago

Lol. It's been so long since I read one of these that made me laugh.

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Sivecano 32 points 3 days ago

common KDE w

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ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace 31 points 3 days ago

Hahahahahaahaha almost broke my wrist shaking the mouse to see how big I could get the cursor go grow. Does it ever stop?

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programmerlexi 15 points 3 days ago

No, it does not.

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FuglyDuck 3 points 3 days ago

It stopped for me, when I discovered functionality. At about an inch big.

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protogen420 1 point 3 days ago

only one inch?

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halezinflames 30 points 3 days ago

KDE wins again

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pineapplelover 30 points 3 days ago

Finally, I was having issues with the blurriness of the big pointer

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mirshafie 18 points 3 days ago

The new update broke my login screen but god damn the big pointer is crisp.

I shake it 4 times a day for health and meditation purposes.

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Egonallanon 28 points 4 days ago

I love the big cursor feature. Its great for when I lose track of it.

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turbowafflz 9 points 4 days ago

MacOS does this too, so its not exactly a super whacky plasma exclusive feature

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Scrollone 5 points 3 days ago

And to be honest, I think KDE just copied it from macOS

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Pucker8736 2 points 3 days ago

On Mac it gets a bit larger, then goes back to regular size after a bit even if you keep shaking. It doesn't keep getting bigger for eternity like KDE does.

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tal 3 points 4 days ago

A lot of software packages have existed across multiple OSes and graphical environments to provide some way to make the mouse cursor more visible, whether via creating trails or a screen-spanning crosshair or various other forms of functionality.

I don't know if that functionality is necessary, but I think that as a lot of people have moved to higher-and-higher resolution screens, that the mouse pointer defaults have not really kept pace. Like, the default mouse pointer size should maybe be larger. On my desktop system, I recently started using a monitor at a higher resolution of 165 ppi, and by default, sway didn't increase the mouse pointer size; I lost track of the pointer multiple times. I wound up resolving that with:

# Larger cursor
seat * xcursor_theme Adwaita 48

in my ~/.config/sway/config file to get a 48 pixel pointer.

I'm pretty sure that most desktop environments have some mechanism to increase pointer size, and my thinking is that the default should perhaps be to try to cover a larger portion of the user's visual arc than is currently the case.

The ideal would be to base it on visual arc...but that requires knowing how far the user is sitting from the monitor. We do have the ability to get physical monitor dimensions from the monitor, which gives ppi, which is part of the problem, but not how far the user is located from the monitor.

Laptops often have integrated webcams, and if their field of view were queryable (which, AFAIK, is not currently the case) that could let one compute that distance to the user's face using a webcam image, as long as they're using the integrated monitor. With desktops or external monitors, though...we don't generally have that monitor-surface-aligned webcam.

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over_clox 2 points 4 days ago

That leaving trails feature was more designed for very old school LCDs with extremely slow refresh time, but yeah indeed it was a feature to help visibility.

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tal 1 point 3 days ago

That leaving trails feature was more designed for very old school LCDs with extremely slow refresh time,

It's true that there was an type of early LCDs that had very slow response rates and that that produced a visual artifact, a visible trail behind the pointer (as well as ghosting behind anything moving). I've used those displays. But that's not what I'm talking about. There was also software that explicitly drew pointer trails to make the pointer more visible.

searches

This kind of stuff.

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over_clox 1 point 3 days ago

No shit Watson, that's exactly what I'm talking about.

My first laptop was a Toshiba 1950CT from 1994, upgraded from Windows 3.1 to 95. The screen refresh time (not to be confused with vertical refresh rate), was about a half a second.

Move the mouse pointer, it would take about half a second before the old cursor faded out and the new position cursor appeared.

I had my cursor trails set to either 2 or 3 on that thing, because moving the cursor at all made it otherwise totally disappear while the screen faded in and out between frames.

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pivot_root 1 point 3 days ago

As monitor tech improved to reduce ghosting it also became harder to follow where the cursor moved.

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BlackLaZoR 26 points 3 days ago

I have fun with that cursor. Win for KDE

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farvascw 24 points 3 days ago

So even though I have been using KDE for months now, I had no idea that the cursor would continue to get bigger if you keep shaking it, thats amazing.

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Fizz 22 points 3 days ago

The first patch of big cursor put a cap on the size as it was a bug for it to keep getting larger. But due to popular demand the cap was removed and set as a toggle.

I love that the devs respond to feedback. Take notes gnome devs.

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kossa 22 points 3 days ago

If I read bad news I start shaking the mouse angrily. The big cursor then hides the news I am reading and I can calm down again. Please reenable ridiculously big cursor, ty.

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reksas 22 points 3 days ago

gnome was horrible to use, even simplest things that make life easier were missing. fucking TRAY ICONS so you can more easily access some running programs?!

made me feel like its system for bunch of elitist that can act snooty when scrubs like me cant handle their minimalist perfection.

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lemmyvore 10 points 3 days ago

Tray icons? You had to use Gnome Tweaks for the most basic things, like adjusting fonts.

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reksas 4 points 3 days ago

i dont understand who likes to use gnome, its just plain awful and even if you customize it there is always a chance update breaks some crucial part of your ui

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BlindPenguin 1 point 2 days ago

It's somewhat decent on touch screens. I use it on an old convertible Lenovo. But on my main system i still prefer KDE.

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reksas 1 point 2 days ago

for touchscreens i can understand it, on those all the ui stuff that normally makes life easier doesnt help that much

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lps2 1 point 3 days ago

Ehh, I loved Gnome with the bottom panel hidden and tiling manager installed via gnome shell extensions. KDE just feels like it hasn't substantially changed in ~15 years and just feels dated and like a halfway attempt at recreating Aero. I've moved over to Cosmic and I yearn for my gnome days but it's getting better with each release.

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reksas 3 points 2 days ago

why change something if it works though?

i took a look at cosmic and it looks nice, maybe i'll try it too at some point. How much do i need to think about stuff not working on it? I can play and run what I want on mint with steam and wine, is it the same with distros that use cosmic?

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Magnus 20 points 3 days ago

Haha I'm so glad I'm not the only one who fucks up his hand doing this for no reason, one of the best things about transitioning to Linux

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olafurp 15 points 4 days ago

Very happy they worked on this feature. I done my fair share of shaking when waiting to start meetings and it looks blurry. Will look forward for this update.

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M137 14 points 3 days ago

I remember when this feature was added to MacOS, it must be like a decade ago now. It had the same thing where if you really put some elbow grease into the saking the cursor just got bigger and bigger but it was vector based so it never became pixilated. It was weirdly fun to do, and I often told friends to try it and all of them found it as fun as I did.

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Berlinblades 4 points 3 days ago

When i discovered it on my Hackintosh,i thought it was some GPU related Bug,and spent ages trying to fix it...

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esc 12 points 4 days ago

That's an accessibility feature, why gnome doesn't have it? Another idiosyncrasy where they know better probably.

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Scrollone 1 point 3 days ago

Because GNOME used to be good (version 2) and then they decided to fuck it up forever.

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mat 12 points 3 days ago path: 0 25337782, hotness: undefined, score: 12, children: 1
JamesBoeing737MAX 1 point 2 days ago

Not like everyone else doesn't do it, like qt. The only platform that doesn't do it is Windows. And we know how that turned out.

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dismay3915 10 points 3 days ago

Gnome tries to be Apple but even worse

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theuniqueone 10 points 3 days ago

Didn't notice this before literally this made me test it.

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helpImTrappedOnline 9 points 3 days ago

I'll be happy when the cursor can be inverted color like windows.

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Thorry 22 points 3 days ago

Good news: The feature you want has been a part of KDE since forever. Cursors are fully customizable with different cursor packs being available. Installing a cursor pack is very simple, just look through the different packs, select the one you want and click install. There's so many different kinds available, one is probably to your liking. And if it isn't you can probably find an artist easily enough and commission your own set.

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helpImTrappedOnline 19 points 3 days ago

I'm talking about a windows feature that activity changes the cursor to be the inverse of the content underneath it. If content = black, then curosr = white. If content = white, then cursor = black.

It's not so simple as downloading a curosr pack with different colored icons.

I searched the web and results are all just various forms with the feature requested, but no feature. One rumor floating around is Windows might have a patent on it or something, but I didn't go digging for that info.

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Amir 7 points 3 days ago

I did not know this existed, this is amazing

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Funkt4st1c 3 points 3 days ago

This is the only cursor setting ive never used for very long because its so easy to lose. May i ask why you use it?

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Gormadt 2 points 3 days ago

So much this

White cursor with a bold black outline is king IMO

It's visible on everything!

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mofongo 2 points 3 days ago

I just changed my cursor color to gold.

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trem 1 point 3 days ago

I feel like a patent would've run out by now. From what I'm finding online, US patents generally only last 15-20 years. They might've filed it in a different country, and yesterday I read of a media codec patent lasting 25 years in Brazil.
But yeah, I believe that feature was in there before 2000 already, and they didn't innovate on it since, which might've allowed for a new or renewed patent.

It might also just be a pain to implement...

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wrinkle2409 8 points 4 days ago

It's useful for finding the mouse when you have multiple screens (more than 3)

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fork 4 points 4 days ago

I was gonna say the same thing, lol. It's very helpful.

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AstroLightz 8 points 4 days ago

Oh thank god they fixed this! Now I can actually use KDE now!

/j

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harmbugler 3 points 3 days ago

It just broke my workflow that relies on large blurry cursor!!

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UnfortunateShort 8 points 4 days ago

Just tested it - can confirm, does look sharp.

Thanks KDE!

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Yerbouti 6 points 3 days ago

Gnome is awesome but KDE is just the goat for people likeme who enjoy redesigning more than using it.

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mazzilius_marsti 6 points 2 days ago

Thats why "easy to use" is very subjective.

Gnome is sure easy but if things mess up and i need to reinstall? I had to hunt and reinstall my extensions and enable the right settings. That could take like 30 mins or more, after reinstalling the distro.

In minimal setup like sway? I can literally git clone and then stow all my dot files. No more than 5 mins. I could do it with 10 beers at 3am in.

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dewritoninja 1 point 2 days ago

I just have a bash with all my extensions , takes like 2 seconds to run

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Asfalttikyntaja 6 points 3 days ago

Honestly I really love KDE, but I’m stuck on Mint, so I have no choice but to settle for Cinnamon.

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jaypatelani 6 points 3 days ago

Why stuck ?

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Asfalttikyntaja 1 point 3 days ago

It just works and I don’t want to jumble around anymore.

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Bluewing 5 points 3 days ago

I use KDE, but Cinnamon is what Gnome should have been. Cinnamon has just enough customization to make a person happy but it's not so overwhelming a KDE can be for beginners.

I do have high hopes for COSMIC after a few more iterations. They have something good cookin' there.

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Avicenna 5 points 3 days ago

wait what this is a thing? brb

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cupcakezealot 5 points 2 days ago

i agree kde is awesome

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lenocolomo 5 points 2 days ago

Guys chillax, there is only one respecting winner here; Thumbs down, XFCE.

Customising (not gonna say the racist word)?...............XFCE.

Lightweight?......................................................................XFCE.

Can look like the other two?.............................................XFCE.

Can be debloated even in the settings?...........................XFCE.

Supports both X11 and wayland (if that matters)?.........XFCE.

--

written by: (hopefully) fellow XFCE glazer.

P.S. Yes I mean that sarcastic/non-sarcastic. Yes I'm in my own bubble. Yes I use systemd free systems (and waiting for a good glibc-free one too!). Yes I'm autistic.

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Fizz 3 points 2 days ago

Isnt xfce less lightweight than KDE? Just because it looks like shit doesnt make it efficient.

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lenocolomo 2 points a day ago

You could be more right than I thought. Usually it can go one of two ways: underdeveloped or respectively efficient

But while yes, XFCE may look like the left behind friend in highschool, who still lives in the cellar of their mom, I'd expect that it is left that way on purpose. It has many adaptable features and can be debloated to near any extent.

(skip this part if you don't need a life story) I personally fell in love with it 'cause I was on multiple MASSIVE hysteria-hypetrains of Tiling WMs and diy distros (etc.) but never completed my journey due to my failed efforts and patience running out.

Now after many rabbitholes of "systemd-free", "glibc-free", "debloated", (list goes on) I learned to accept that I don't get everything and made compromises with myself to settle with a not-half-bad (or not-half-good) distro with XFCE.

Yes you need a bit of good knowledge of Linux and especially file systems to use this to the fullest and not just as a nearly pre-given and pre-customised DE (like swapping cursors or fiddling with lightdm (basically sddm)), but when that's the best you get, take it.

P.S. I may be a glazer of all of these things but I can assure you I'll be at a slightly different point of things in about half a year again ('cause've another rabbithole ofc).

P.P.S. For reference I use PeppermintOS (devuan based) which, hates me, I hate it (...sometimes), but it fixes itself if you do the groundwork (don't ask me how, it just does).

(sry for the monologue)

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raspberriesareyummy 2 points 2 days ago

No it isn't. Unless KDE has had a major debloat since KDE4. XFCE is lightning fast.

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lenocolomo 1 point a day ago
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Wirlocke 4 points 3 days ago

I put my finger under the mouse and it jitters automatically, makes it easy to get the mouse huge so I'm glad they're thinking of users like me.

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irelephant 4 points 3 days ago

Honestly I really like both.

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PillowD 4 points 3 days ago

Someone discovered shake cursor...

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Bluewing 4 points 3 days ago

Wait until they discover wobbly windows and The Cube.

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anarchy79 1 point 2 days ago

Compiz 4 lyfe

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swelter_spark 2 points 2 days ago

Or Wayfire. I confess to having wobbled windows as fast as possible until my graphics driver crashed.

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anarchy79 2 points a day ago

Honestly I always disabled all animations. I don't want eyecandy. Preferably I want to control the computer with a neural link that integrates my thoughts as a control surface. Or Sway, in lieu of that.

Or rescue terminal. I also feel safe and loved in the grub rescue environment.

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anarchy79 3 points 2 days ago

When you have a great product, like say a fork, there is only so much you can improve, apart from keeping it clean and not rust, to justify your job.

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Zarobi 2 points 4 days ago

I first learnt about this feature when playing Scritchy Scratchy and shaking my mouse around like a loon to get money faster

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WolfLink 2 points 4 days ago

I really don’t understand these comments about gnome not being customizable

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MoffKalast 10 points 4 days ago

Then you either haven't used GNOME or haven't used KDE. It's uh, it's not something that's hard to miss as far as differences go.

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Shanmugha 5 points 3 days ago

As far as I have gathered, gnome customisation is "fuck you, go patch our code. Besides, we're gonna change it whenever we want". So kudos for everyone behind extensions, but that's a shitty policy to have for gnome devs

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esc 5 points 3 days ago

Because it isn't? Can you even move elements in the top panel?

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Dagnet 2 points 4 days ago

I hate that that feature is enabled by default, wish it asked about accessibility features on first boot instead

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Danitos 4 points 4 days ago

In my case I love that it's enabled by default. Would have never ocurred to me to turn it on, but love the sillynes of it.

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wraekscadu 2 points 2 days ago

GNOME just works for me. Installed the blur the shell extension or whatever it's called, and that's it! In 5 years, never felt the need for anything more!

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poke 2 points 2 days ago

holy frick I love KDE. Looking forward to what they do next.

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MindlessHunter4 1 point 17 hours ago

KDE forever. I don't understand anyone who still uses Gnome.

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takeda 1 point 2 days ago

OS X has this, and I personally found it very useful, especially when I'm on call that wakes me in the middle of a night when I'm still drowsy and can't find where the cursor is.

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iopq 1 point 10 hours ago

I have an old box running Gnome on Ubuntu. I did a massive update hoping they finally fixed some of my gripes with it.

still no right click -> create text file in the file browser

Welp, I'll update again in two years

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tal 1 point 4 days ago

Me, using terminal emacs: The mouse pointer is generally unnecessary overhead that the user probably shouldn't be using anyway.

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Evotech 1 point 4 days ago

Turned that shot off right away

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over_clox 5 points 4 days ago

I see someone doesn't use multiple monitors.

But hey, that's okay, you do you 👍

Still though, if you ever setup 3 or more monitors, you'll find out that feature is quite useful to answer the question "What fucking screen is the mouse pointer on?!"

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esc 3 points 3 days ago

It's very useful in a lot of cases, when display resolution is high, when you are in a page full of text, when you have multiple monitors, when your eyesight isn 100%, when your spatial awareness or attention slips.

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Evotech 1 point 4 days ago

I have multiple. Just know where my mouse is

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Endymion_Mallorn 0 points 4 days ago

Cinnamon looks like Windows. That's it.

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