Christa Pike Regains Consciousness After Failed Execution in Tennessee

8 days ago by Corvidae to c/news

Christa Pike, who survived two doses of a lethal injection drug last week during a botched execution in Tennessee, is conscious and speaking, her lawyers said in a statement on Tuesday.

Ms. Pike continues to receive critical medical care at a Nashville hospital, the lawyers said. The prognosis remains unclear, they said, but they expect a long recovery.

“Christa is a survivor and will take recovery one day at a time,” the lawyers said.

Ms. Pike, 50, is believed to be the first person to have survived doses of a lethal injection drug. She has been hospitalized since the execution attempt on Sept. 30, after it became clear to witnesses that she was still breathing after two doses of pentobarbital, the drug used in lethal injection executions.

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TrackenDaKracken 94 points 8 days ago

Absolute insanity.

We need to end the barbaric practice of capital punishment.

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cattywampas 60 points 8 days ago

But important detail:

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NateNate60 29 points 8 days ago

I live in one of the "formally suspended" states (Oregon). Capital punishment is entrenched in the state constitution, but state officials have done their darn best to get around that. The governor commutes all death sentences to life imprisonment. The execution chamber and death row were both dismantled, and the state has no way to procure the drugs needed for lethal injection, the only approved method of execution. A "temporary" moratorium has been in effect for over a decade.

There hasn't been an execution in Oregon in almost 30 years.

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SCmSTR 15 points 8 days ago

There's the North and there's the South.

We don't get along and we are not the same.

We have fought wars between us. The South lost, but was let off too easy, and continued their ignorant, hateful slavery ways in their culture this whole time.

People not from the US need to understand that while the US is one country, the different states being United is highly conditional. Even different parts internally of each state.

Europeans don't understand that American states are probably closer to different European countries, and that's not even including the multiethnic diversity aspect of the USA.

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theacharnian 12 points 7 days ago

Nah man, US states are nowhere near as diverse as European countries. They are more diverse than German landers, or UK countries, but nowhere near as diverse as entire countries (eg Belgium vs the Netherlands).

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samus12345 2 points 7 days ago

And while it remains on the books in California, there hasn't been an execution there in over 20 years.

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captainlezbian 1 point 7 days ago

The federal government and military really ought to swap positions there. I'm opposed to the death penalty in general, but we've got a lot of soldiers who commit war crimes and need punished for it

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freebee 8 points 8 days ago

This map is wrong. There is no way you can claim Russia isn't executing citizens...

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lechekaflan 8 points 7 days ago

Where I live, the death penalty in the Philippines is abolished for almost three decades, yet some people I met -- especially middle- and lower-class people -- insist on having it and corporal punishment reinstated, believing society would be supposedly much safer like Saudi Arabia (which does carry out forced amputation and beheading, but still is not really an effective deterrent), but ignoring completely that their everyday problems such as petty thievery are ultimately caused by class struggle and unequal distribution of wealth and resources.

That although there were no execution of prisoners during the Duterte regime, nonetheless thousands have been executed for minor drug-related offenses with not even seeing a courtroom, by either hired gunmen or by law-enforcement officials in disguise.

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ColeSloth 5 points 7 days ago

They're beheading the wrong people.

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ColeSloth 1 point 8 days ago

I think it needs to be upped a few pegs.

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diablicja 6 points 8 days ago

Navalny and Prigozhin immediately come to mind.

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gastroglizzy -32 points 8 days ago

For the most part, I agree with you. But for the people out there who are serial murderers, serial rapists, serial child molesters, people who have done horrible, terrible things, we know for sure they did it, there's no doubt about it, they admit to doing it, they swear they'll do it again as soon as they get the chance...

Yeah, kill those mother fuckers. It's a waste of time trying to rehabilitate them, a waste of money keeping them in a cage, and a danger to society to let them out. What else are you supposed to do with a problem like that?

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frongt 56 points 8 days ago

Generally it's more expensive to execute someone due to all the appeals and other processes you have to go through.

There is no one so cartoonishly evil that it's unsafe to even keep them in prison.

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AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor 8 points 8 days ago

There is no one so cartoonishly evil that it's unsafe to even keep them in prison.

Billionaires tho...

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Duhtocqueville 2 points 8 days ago

But that’s fundamentally a flawed argument. It’s more expensive becuase death penalty cases have more rights. Specifically in the US what is called “actual innocence” is not grounds for an appeal to a life sentence but is for a death penalty.

Ideally we would extend that everyone, not save a few bucks and justify continued incarceration of innocent people by noting “hey it’s not a death sentence.”

Imagine the scenario of an innocent person who can’t appeal becuase the trail was fair but would have been freed if they had been sentenced to death, but becuase of the judge or jury’s mercy, they are imprisoned for life.

That has happened here.

Not think a great argument for abolishing the death penalty since it fundamentally is just saying “it is way too expensive to let any prisoners appeal based on being innocent. We could save so much money if didn’t let anyone do that.”

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uberfreeza 2 points 7 days ago

Keep in mind that it's not only that though. Yes, death row cases get a good deal more automatic appeals just to verify guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. But also consider that when the punishment is death, the government doesn't want an inmate doing that on their own terms. They get extra security and a bunch of other extra precautions so they'll only die on the government's terms to fulfill their sentence. Regular inmates should absolutely have better legal protections though.

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Cytobit 1 point 8 days ago

Are people sentenced to death entitled to a different amount of appeals than those sentences for life?

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femtek 13 points 8 days ago

Yes. https://schwartzcohenlaw.com/...

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mkwt 3 points 8 days ago

My gut feeling is that access to lawyers matters more than the number of procedural steps available.

Death row inmates seem to have much better ability to be represented by pro bono attorneys' who will go to the mat on every single hail Mary motion.

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ElDuderino 1 point 8 days ago

There's an exception to every rule: Richard Ramirez is pretty fucking cartoony. Those vatos that caught him should have ended his ass on the streets.

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ChunkMcHorkle -2 points 8 days ago

There is no one so cartoonishly evil that it’s unsafe to even keep them in prison.

Most of us have not seen true evil up close. Most of us cannot even imagine it. We just believe we can, absolutely certain in the arrogance of our own ignorance that we already know everything we would ever need to know about it.

But in reality, we look away from even the brief glimpses of evil we do see, choosing instead some variation on the just world theory to make it sit better. An example of this might be finding a way to blame a victim of bullying or abuse for some level of unwise personal choice that makes it mostly their own fault -- in our own sight -- and thus keeps us from having to deal directly with the wrongdoer in any way.

That's just a very mild example, but it's all around us. We humans don't want to see evil. It's a direct threat to our innate sense of security and stability -- and why stochastic terrorism is on the to-do list of every budding autocrat. We "missing stair" evildoers ALL the goddamn time, in every culture, in every country, law enforcement and laymen alike. Most of us are not even equipped to look at evil, much less determine its true nature or potential for harm to others.

And that's kind of where I clock this opinion: well meaning, hits the right virtue buttons, but basically uninformed in terms of personal experience.

I won't go into what I have seen personally. I'll just say I genuinely wish there were no such thing as "so cartoonishly evil that it’s unsafe to even keep them in prison." You're very privileged in so many ways just to be able to think that, and I hope you never understand just how lucky you are in that regard.

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frmrm -2 points 8 days ago

idk have you seen Dr Morocco in Transformers Rescue Bots?? /s

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Kabaka 26 points 8 days ago

we know for sure they did it

This is more difficult than it sounds. I'll admit it's much better than a few decades ago, but still... What if we're wrong and we execute an innocent person? It's not like this is unheard of, and the whole problem is fully avoidable by simply not killing people.

All other considerations aside, it's just not worth it for such a permanent outcome.

https://wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

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Klear 23 points 8 days ago

For the most part, I agree with you.

You don't agree at all.

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LuceVendemiaire 22 points 8 days ago

multiple republican states and even the federal government are trying to make being transgender a sex offense and then push laws to kill all sex offenders. Do you understand what this says about the power capital punishment gives. Do you get how easily any "legitimate reason" can be abused

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Corvidae 21 points 8 days ago

And when years later evidence comes out exonerating someone who was executed, how much are you willing to pay the surviving relatives?

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granch_bibblyfibble 19 points 8 days ago

we know for sure they did it

It's very disturbing what this caveat implies.

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EggZackLee 4 points 8 days ago

Agreed. Knowing for sure that they carried out the physical act should be the bare minimum to even consider the death penalty (assuming we can't just get rid of it).

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cannedtuna 15 points 8 days ago

Yeah except ALL the people who are executed because JUSTICE and later it turns out WHOOPS they were innocent all along. We thought for sure we got the right person.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrongful_execution

https://en.wikipedia.org/...

Pobody’s Nerfect, am I right?

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Eh_I 12 points 8 days ago

What else are you supposed to do with a problem like that?

Do we have that problem? I went out today, seemed fine.

I don't think the prisons are bursting at the seams with serial killers, it's mostly pot-smokers.

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Murse 4 points 8 days ago

Another issue I don't see discussed like, ever, is which option actually is more humane? We tend to assume death is the absolute worst thing we can do to someone, so anything other than death is at least second in line... but personally, I disagree. "Life in prison" has no rehabilitative goal, we're just keeping them pinned in horrible living conditions with no objective other than to keep them living in horrible conditions. ...which is torture. 24/7, until they eventually die anyway, which is still a death sentence, just one that dragged out over decades of torture.

So, we're choosing between:

Die.
Torture, torture, torture, torture, torture, torture, torture, die.

...between the two, if I was the one whose fate was being decided here, I'd rather just skip the torture and die. But that's ofc the arm-chair perspective of not being stuck in that situation: on any given day those self-preservation instincts kick in and we drag our own suffering out just for the sake of staying alive, cuz that's just how we're wired; but thinking of it here and now more objectively, yea fuck that, just kill me.

So the other factor to consider is whether inmates are even in a state of mind sound enough for them to make that decision for themselves, so even letting them choose on an individual basis is a bit fucked. Maybe we need to have them make that decision prior to sentencing, and place it in a sealed envelope or something; and if they checked the 'just kill me' box, but are now panicking after a guilty verdict: sorry duder, you're panicking, we're sticking with what you chose before sentencing.

Anywho, there's no humane option in that dichotomy, but thinking of it as prolonged torture vs what is essentially a mercy killing paints a very different angle to the usual death vs imprisonment talking points.

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susieq0044 2 points 8 days ago

You are pretty barbaric.

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sns 0 points 8 days ago

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Pratai -32 points 8 days ago

I’m not a huge fan of the barbaric practice of making parents pay through taxes for their child’s murderer to eat and live out their days watching TV and lifting weights.

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Catoblepas 12 points 8 days ago

I’m not happy about my taxes being used to murder innocent people they were convinced definitely did a crime, and a human life is worth more than cash.

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Auli 0 points 7 days ago

But it isn't. Of it was we would be behaving differently and not ignoring all the "bad" things companies do to people around the world to make money. But we mostly but on blinders and don't care.

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AngryPancake 10 points 8 days ago

Fortunately, you wouldn't be paying for it. You pay taxes and the state decides what to do with the money. And imprisoning the few people on death row is just a drop in the bucket of what they have available.

Here's some numbers. There's about 50 executions in the US per year. If the annual cost of imprisoning someone is 100.000$, that's 5 million per year. Per person in the US (say 340mio), that's about 1.5cts. Granted, now that these people aren't dying anymore, there'll be more people to take care of. If they live 50 extra years, that's 75cts each person in the US pays to keep them in the prison.

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prole 5 points 7 days ago

It's cheaper than death row and the death penalty though, so nice try. Why not just admit you want to kill them?

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MonkeMischief 0 points 7 days ago

"Surely once my vengeance is sated, I'll finally be at peace!" Said many a tragic hero who only made everything worse.

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prole 1 point 7 days ago

Uhhh... Beg pardon?

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susieq0044 2 points 8 days ago

You are not into this entire buddhism thing?

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Pratai -5 points 8 days ago

No, I am not.

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theacharnian 50 points 7 days ago

Where's all the pro life evangelicals to say that God doesn't want her to die?

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CultLeader4Hire 1 point 7 days ago

Probably saying she made a deal with the devil to live or smth

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dan1101 49 points 8 days ago

Can you imagine, getting executed and then waking up in a hospital days later.

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gastroglizzy 38 points 8 days ago

"You're finally awake. You were trying to cross the border, weren't you?"

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mctoasterson 21 points 8 days ago

Ironically that opening sequence culminates in everyone on the wagon being brought to their planned execution.

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bss03 6 points 8 days ago

"Aww, shit. Here we go again!"

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gastroglizzy 22 points 8 days ago

And then being told, "That's doesn't count. We get a do-over. You still have to go back to jail."

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frmrm 30 points 8 days ago

I feel like regardless of where you stand on the issue of capital punishment, everyone should agree that if the drugs got administered and it didn’t work that’s a double jeopardy kind of situation. But alas.

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Zak 10 points 8 days ago

That seems like a good argument for not being able to attempt the execution again, but by default the offender in such a case should still remain in prison for life.

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rhombus 5 points 7 days ago

You’d be surprised. I saw people online arguing they should have just kept trying until she was dead, regardless of the suffering inflicted. A surprising number of people are 100% on board with the State literally torturing someone to death if they think it’s “deserved”.

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Pratai -1 points 8 days ago

It’s there a law that states if you survive it, you get to live?

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tanisnikana 3 points 8 days ago

Yeah, there’ll eventually be a Silent Hill that starts just like this.

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gastroglizzy 3 points 8 days ago

Ngl that sounds dope af. I'd play that

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TipRing 45 points 8 days ago

In a normal society this horrific sequence of events would be cause to reexamine what was done and determine if it's appropriate for the state to continue murdering its citizens.

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BeMoreCareful 12 points 8 days ago

I mean, at least part of the problem is that nobody want to provide drugs to kill people. Most of the country moved way past executions a good long while ago.

They've got a shit govorner that must have gotten bored waging war on the state's only African American majority city and decided to kill a woman to make himself feel better.

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BooBees 0 points 8 days ago

Unfortunately this is a normal society. The exception was a brief period where we were steady improving things for all our citizens and visitors, including our imprisoned, our institutionalized, etc. Historically those people have always been mistreated and abused with little to no regard and plenty of glee from sadists masquerading as the religious, those seeking justice, and those concerned for the safety of others.

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DrBob 45 points 8 days ago

She's doing better than Mitch McConnell.

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neukenindekeuken 16 points 8 days ago

She's definitely killed orders of magnitude fewer people than Mitch has.

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Professorozone 34 points 8 days ago

So... Is this like a movie scenario where she gets to go free?

I mean death penalty opinions aside, does it make sense to give medical care to someone you're trying to kill? What a weird world we live in.

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bertlewirth 16 points 8 days ago

it's the doctors' duty to keep her alive. They took the Hippocratic oath. It's the state that is trying to kill her, not the doctors

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Professorozone 2 points 7 days ago

But it was the state that brought her to the doctors.

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Saledovil 10 points 8 days ago

I've heard it's like, if you survive 3 executions, it's a sign that God wants you to live.

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FauxLiving 11 points 8 days ago

If she weighs as much as a duck

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weps 5 points 7 days ago

or a very small rock

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SCmSTR 8 points 8 days ago

I heard god was a rapist and a terrorist and an abuser

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Buffalox 2 points 7 days ago

If he could, he would let them all go, but the truth is god is not omnipotent, he is impotent.

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SCmSTR 3 points 7 days ago

Then why call him God

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anarchy79 1 point 7 days ago

That's the Islamic god, and all the other ones. Christian god is cool as hell and super laid back.

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Slashme 3 points 8 days ago

No, you've got it wrong - after the first two, the third is free.

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Taldan 9 points 8 days ago

We, as a society, are trying to kill her, not torture her. The constitution explicitly bans torture

It's a fine line between execution and torture

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ToxicWaste 1 point 7 days ago

what differentiates torture or not is guidelines on a paper.

most ppl today would agree, that waterboarding is torture. in guantanamo it was not considered torture as long as a few guidelines where followed. guidelines, like at what angel the prisoner is laying on the floor...

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Professorozone 1 point 7 days ago

Ok but as a society, we've gotten pretty good at killing people. Lots of different ways. Suddenly we're like, "Oh no. This is really hard." It's like the one thing we excel at.

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Auli -1 points 7 days ago

Does it? Then why does the US do so much of it?

Could have just shot her in the head when it failed just baint her brown and put a gin in her hand and have coos there.

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Ashenlux 9 points 8 days ago

From what I understand, no. But her lawyer will probably argue another lethal injection attempt would constitute cruel and unusual punishment. So she may end up getting the electric chair. A grim fate regardless.

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treadful 7 points 8 days ago

I mean death penalty opinions aside, does it make sense to give medical care to someone you’re trying to kill? What a weird world we live in.

The rule of law still matters. While it might feel logical that someone just take a scalpel to an artery after the injection failed, the law says it has to be done in a specific manner. Anything else is (legally) murder. And healthcare professionals also have an oath to fulfill.

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Professorozone 3 points 7 days ago

Like I said, what a weird world we live in.

This subject came up while I was having a medical test done and the tech and I discussed it. She brought up a good point. Why not just put the subject to sleep like you would in an operation. From that point, pretty much nothing is cruel and unusual since the inmate won't feel it.

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isleepinahammock 1 point 8 days ago

What if someone truly is executed, literally dead and buried in the ground...but then I use necromancy to bring them back? They quite literally died for their crimes. I just...undid it. Are they free to go, having paid their debt to society?

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kolmaskommentoija 3 points 7 days ago

There are some the cases that are a bit like that in history, like Half-hanged Maggie and Anne Greene, women who survived hanging, which probably gets the closest to that necromancy situation, in real life. Half-hanged Maggie was considered to have gone through her sentence by Scottish law, so she was let go (and had to remarry her husband, since she had legally died). Anne Greene's execution was reprieved, but by English law she was not considered to have gone through the sentence. But in the end she was pardoned, as they believed it was God's will that she lived.

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Slashme 2 points 8 days ago

That hasn't been decided by the courts yet, probably due to the lack of a suitable test case.

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MonkeMischief 7 points 7 days ago

I mean if they can technically say "Hey she was probably dead for a second." Then she served her sentence, right?

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anarchy79 5 points 7 days ago

Considering she spent 30 years on death row prior, which isn't the punishment she was sentenced to, I think a case could be made. Morally speaking of course, legally it's Tennessee.

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JustPlainDave 6 points 7 days ago

I mean, in Westerns you can't be hanged twice.

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anarchy79 2 points 7 days ago

First time?

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Wataba 1 point 8 days ago

I really dont want to find out we're living through Torchwood Miracle Day.

We already have enough pedophiles-child killers running around without finding out one of them is a hero of the story.

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Funkt4st1c 26 points 7 days ago

I unironically believe we should bring back firing squads, if we're keeping executions at all.

Lethal injection is so fickle and extremely painful/terrifying for the victim (look to doctor reports on the three drugs used -- youre basically paralyzed but in constant agony the whole time, but because youre paralyzed it looks really peaceful)

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Trashboat 15 points 7 days ago

I’m vehemently against death penalties, but if we wanted to make it “humane”, which is a gross misuse of the word, we’d just use nitrogen. There’s genuinely no reason for anything else besides intentional suffering and money

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captainlezbian 6 points 7 days ago

The problem with nitrogen is it's comfortable for the executioner and scalable. Historically that combination doesn't go well

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anarchy79 6 points 7 days ago

Well this shit is clearly also not working. Hey here's an idea, let's not allow the state to execute citizens!

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anarchy79 3 points 7 days ago

Yeah, carbon monoxide is already a popular home remedy for a shitty life so why not?

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BigDanishGuy 15 points 7 days ago

Firing squad, but it should be staffed by a random section of pro capital punishment voters.

“You want people to die for their crimes? Cool, you do it then"

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freely1333 1 point 7 days ago

Probably would just use ai no?

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CultLeader4Hire 1 point 7 days ago

You mean robots?

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impairedimperator 7 points 7 days ago

Firing squads ain't exactly instant, either.

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stormeuh 13 points 7 days ago

Yeah but at least it doesn't look peaceful, which is appropriate for the barbaric act that every kind of capital punishment is.

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uberfreeza 1 point 7 days ago

The electric chair doesn't look peaceful. Now, for sure, we should not be using it (or implementing capital punishment at all). But it's also one of the most haunting methods. The electricity can cause fires or tremors even after death.

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anarchy79 1 point 7 days ago

Yeah it takes maybe a full second to die.

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impairedimperator 1 point 7 days ago

Tall that to the Chicago trauma team lol

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MonkeMischief 5 points 7 days ago

Ugh, like a chemical bronze bull... yeah it's freaking horrifying.

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anarchy79 4 points 7 days ago

I looked up this bronze bull of yours, and it's nasty.

(For others who didn't know, apparently this ancient Greek tyrant put people inside a hollow bronze bull, closed the lid, and lit a fire underneath, so that while the person inside cooks to death their screams bellow out of the Bull's mouth)

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MonkeMischief 2 points 6 days ago

Yeah I felt pretty gross even mentioning it, but basically the "genius" of the device was making the suffering more palatable to those on the outside of it, so it reminded me of the mentality behind injections today.

According to anecdote and/or legend, the inventor was the first victim.

Yeesh. :(

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anarchy79 2 points 4 days ago

"Palatable". I'm thinking, there was exactly one person in the empire who enjoyed employing the Bronze Bull, and one only. In some lead infused craze he's super giddy about roasting someone alive, but also- haha! So much fun, because it sounds like the screams are coming from the pig's face! LOOOL! So much fun for everyone, must have smelled fantastic. I mean that, human flesh probably smelled like any other barbecue, so you would not only get the visceral PTSD inducing horror of hearing someone cooking to death, but you will also forever connect it with the sweet smell of fried meat.

The old Persian "death by canoe" springs to mind, because it feels like that is what a psychotic child brought up in the most impossible of circumstances and cutthroat competition as the sole survivor of the dynasty would come up with. Like, some poor kid perpetually manipulated and gaslighted by all the people around them vying for their piece of the power cake as it were, until they were molded into these monsters. Kind of like Caligula, you know? Little Boot? And it always felt like, to me... That it was a punishment invented by either a maladapted child, or extremely traumatized older prince.

It's childish.

It's like, "Sire, what would you have done with these traitors before you?" "The most horrific punishment in the Universe!" "And what is that, m'lord?" "Well... What if.... We put them in a canoe, and then but another canoe on top, but also make sure their arms and legs are exposed to the sun, and then, and then, and then, then you force feed them milk and honey until they are about to burst and hit their bellies with rods, and push them out into the reeds, so that they waste away over weeks being eaten alive by insects".

My little brother could come up with some shit like this for a DnD campaign, it's just... Bizarrely childish, and childishly bizarre. Anyway that's my three dollars fifty cents.

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ToxicWaste 2 points 7 days ago

Guillotine! It may not be pretty, but it is quite literally designed to stop human error. So far i have not heard of anyone surviving getting their head cleanly removed from the shoulders.

i can very much see firing squads go wrong - leading to a drawn out, painful death.

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Fishnoodle 25 points 8 days ago

They tried to execute her twice and within a week she's already doing more than Mitch McConnell has done since he's 'returned' to the Senate

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FE80 21 points 7 days ago

This is some fucked up morbid shit.

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distal 16 points 8 days ago

Abolish it. It's not the 19th century anymore.

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HeyJoe 13 points 8 days ago

This is so weird... I wonder if she woke up wondering if this is real since I feel like it would make no sense to her. Also that part about her being a survivor, come on really? I feel bad for how her childhood was, and that the other 2 got less of a sentance than her, but do I feel sorry for her or think of her as a victim? Nah not really. From what I read she will most likely get electicution, but there will be years of more fighting now and my guess is she just gets life since I think she will die naturally in jail before that next attempt ever happens.

If anything I feel bad for the family of the actual victim who sees all this and also see people showing Pike more sympathy over it. Meanwhile I remember hearing of 2 cases in the last year that were executions for innocent people that were not allowed to be reversed and ended up dying, those are the ones I really feel sorry for.

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cybervseas 22 points 8 days ago

If I remember correctly, she said she has a condition which would probably make the lethal injection drugs ineffective. And she told them that.

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mkwt 14 points 8 days ago

The drug protocol was a massive single dose of pentobarbital, which is a barbiturate. Followed by a second backup dose of the same size if required.

This is a different and simpler protocol than the 3 drug combo of, like, midazolam, pancuronium bromide, and potassium chloride. The barbiturates work solely off of sedative-like effects, and lethality is achieved by using a massive overdose.

This is what I've pieced together from news and court filings:

This drug works well if it gets into the blood stream. If it goes into the muscles and other parts of the body besides the veins, it doesn't have its psychoactive sedative effects. The drug is very basic, as in high pH, so it causes burns.

Injecting not into vein also causes pain and swelling simply from mechanically forcing a largish volume of liquid into the body where there's not a lot of free space to accept it.

So the story seems to be that the execution people struggled for a long time to get a good needle stick into a vein. The victim had prewarned them and the court that she has tiny veins, like a lot of people. It seems like they possibly gave up on the vein and just dumped two whole vials into what was effectively an intramuscular injection.

There was a witness report that one of the multiple needles that were removed from her arm was bent at a 90 degree angle.

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roguetrick 7 points 8 days ago

Not the drugs, just getting IV placement. Which is common. You start taking about getting something like an intraosseous or a central line placed you well out of the expertise they staff those morons for and well into cruel and unusual punishment territory. Of course their lack of ability to place a PIV in so many of these cases already proved that. These idiots actually tried to continue the execution without a patent PIV line, just infiltrating alkaline and tissue toxic drugs into her arm with the associated local damage and hoping enough of the dose would get there in some sort of reasonable time frame. The only execution method unlikely to be botched remains the guillotine.

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Slashme 5 points 8 days ago

A long drop hanging with a good rope is pretty idiot-proof. If you don't have well-trained executioners, you'll rip a few heads off, or have a few people die from cerebral oedema instead of fracturing the neck, but they're still dead within minutes at worst.

Filling a chamber with nitrogen works well - nobody has yet managed to live without oxygen.

The guillotine (when properly maintained and well built) works very reliably. You just need not to be too squeamish about blood.

A firing squad is pretty effective.

But Americans just have to invent new ways to kill people in ways that they think will be less gruesome.

Executions are not quiet, peaceful things, and attempts to make them so are misguided.

To paraphrase John Oliver, there are better and worse positions to fuck your mother, but at the end of the day, you're still a motherfucker.

Executions don't save much money, when you consider the expense of building, maintaining, and operating the machinery of death. They are not an effective deterrent to crime (this is counter-intuitive: people don't think it be like it is, but it do.) They are irreversible, and courts have repeatedly sentenced innocent people to death.

Just abolish the death penalty. I'm happy that I live in a country that doesn't do it anymore.

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some_kind_of_guy 2 points 8 days ago

If it were me I think it would drive me insane. Just constant doubt about whether I'm dead or not. Or perhaps jumped universes.

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TropicalDingdong 12 points 8 days ago

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CedricWhaley 10 points 7 days ago

That's gotta feel weird. Waking up after being executed.

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IamMoonPie 2 points 7 days ago

Twice 😳

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CedricWhaley 8 points 7 days ago

Will she get a Fox News interview to talk about how sexy she thought Jesus was while she was dead?

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CultLeader4Hire 1 point 7 days ago

I’m so dissapointed all I got was the impossibly bright glowing orb in my NDE

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tacoplease 8 points 8 days ago

She committed a heinous crime but after surviving TWO executions, doesn't this count as double jeopardy already?

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chewypoops 11 points 8 days ago

Double Jeopardy is when you are charged for the same crime more than once. Like if you got a not-guilty verdict, so they charged you again for another go at a guilty verdict.

This is not an example of double jeopardy, it is an example of torture, in clear violation of the Constitution.

You are sorta right though. Her sentence should be commuted for being subjected to torture.

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tacoplease 2 points 8 days ago

Yeah I know what double jeopardy is. She's been tortured and probably should have her sentence reduced to life imprisonment.

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Slashme 3 points 8 days ago

She only survived one execution attempt - they administered two doses of the drug, but that doesn't make it two executions.

As chewypoops explained, this has nothing to do with double jeopardy.

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abc 7 points 8 days ago

The US Federal Government (excluding the military probbaly) is bad at everything it tries to do, including killing people.

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Taldan 13 points 8 days ago

That's overly reductive.

In general the US government is good at the things it wants to be good at, and bad at the things is doesn't

Death penalties are a good example of one where it doesn't want to be good at it. A huge portion of the population does not want death penalties, and obstruct the process where they can - a good thing, generally for anyone against the death penalty

A result of that is an inability to find competent executioners and often inability to find drugs for lethal injections

An example of something the government does well: Aviation infrastructure. The US has far and away the best aviation infrastructure in the world, with an incredible safety record. Best part is all the infrastructure is socialized. Anyone who wants to use it can, for free. Got a cheap drone you want to fly through controlled airspace? You can access ATC services for free to do it

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Spuddlesv2 6 points 8 days ago

While the US military is very good at spending money it is somewhat… less good… at winning the wars it gets itself into.

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Bytemeister 1 point 7 days ago

That's because the military fights battles, they don't win wars. You can't bomb people into compliance. You can't kill enough civilians to ensure peace. Military occupation creates resistance, not acceptance.

The only way the military can "win" a war is to kill everyone. The greatest military in the world doesn't mean shit if you don't have the economy and the diplomacy to back it up. Saying that the military isn't good at winning a war is like saying that a steering-wheel isn't good at winning a race.

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anon_8675309 -12 points 7 days ago

“We the people”.

That means YOU are part of the problem. Fix it.

Edit: adorable lemmy thinks I’m wrong.

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Delusions 3 points 7 days ago

I am iron Man

Gasp iam iron Man?

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abc 0 points 7 days ago

Adorable lemmy might not be all american.

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anon_8675309 1 point 7 days ago

They need to fix their shit too.

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crenquis 6 points 7 days ago

Heck of a way to find you that you're immortal.

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TootSweet 5 points 7 days ago

Please tell me I'm not the only one with these scenes running through my head.

Scene from Monty Python and the Holy Grail where a character tells another "I'm not quite dead, sir".

Another scene from the same movie where a character said "I'm not dead yet. I think I'll go for a walk."

But seriously. This is no anomaly. This may be a more stark example than most, but it's part of a running pattern of botched executions. What more do people have to see to be swayed that capital punishment is barbaric and should be abolished?

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someguy3 5 points 8 days ago

She say anything?

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njm1314 4 points 8 days ago

Ouch

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butsbutts 2 points 8 days ago

yay!!!

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