Gavin Newsom backs measure to kill the billionaire tax and ban future wealth taxes
2 days ago by technocrit to c/politics
Not only has Gov. Gavin Newsom vocally opposed the proposed California billionaire tax, but he also wants to prevent the state from ever passing a wealth tax in the future.
On Friday he endorsed Proposition 42, a ballot measure that would cancel out Proposition 40, the proposed billionaire tax. Prop. 42 would prohibit retroactive taxes like the one-time 5% tax on assets that would apply to any billionaire who lived in California on Jan. 1, 2026 if Prop. 40 passes.
But Prop. 42, funded and placed on the ballot by billionaire and Google co-founder Sergey Brin to defeat the billionaire tax, also would go further, by banning any new taxes on personal property.
That includes pensions and 401K accounts before retirees start drawing retirement income from them. It also includes other investments, financial assets, business holdings, art collections and all other forms of personal wealth that would be affected by the billionaire tax or any future wealth tax.
Newsom’s decision to support Prop. 42 runs counter to his own Democratic Party and some labor unions. It also aligns him with some of the wealthy tech donors with whom he’s maintained longstanding relationships dating back to his days as mayor of San Francisco.
Maybe. He’s losing popularity in his home state though, and I wonder how attractive a candidate whose home state doesn’t like them will be at the national level.
Didn't stop Al Gore.
Former Vice President Al Gore. Gavin Newsom has never been VP with a President who’s not running again.
That looks like an advantage, given the track record for Al Gore and Walter Mondale. ETA: Ah geez, how did I forget Kamala Harris?
Al Gore literally had the presidency stolen from him by SCOTUS.
From Wikipedia:
An analysis of the NORC data by University of Pennsylvania researcher Steven F. Freeman and journalist Joel Bleifuss concluded that, no matter what standard is used, after a recount of all uncounted votes, Gore would have been the victor.
I can't blame Gore for unpopularity when he won the popular vote, and would have won the electoral vote had they just been allowed to actually count the votes fairly.
He lost Tennessee, his home state, though.
Or Harris
Former Vice President Kamala Harris. Gavin Newsom has never been VP with a President who’s not running again.
Al Gore actually seemed really cool, though. I'm not sure I've ever heard a controversial opinion from Al Gore? EDIT: Found one, his wife supported music censorship for teens and he wholly supported her for it while working as a senator.
Al "Inviting Dee Snyder to testify will be a slam dunk for our pro-censorship position, there's no way that guy who's famous for being able to concisely convey resonating political statements in 5 minutes or less is articulate, what could possibly go wrong" Gore? God, I wasn't even alive for it and it still pisses me off that craven dick was chosen as candidate...
I mean, given his competition, it still blew my mind that the election was close enough to be stolen. That cycle was key to the development of my Theory of Widespread Stupidity.
Oh god, I love that series of hearings. My favorite is when Bob Denver showed up, told Al Gore he was full of shit to his face, then bounced because he had a meeting with NASA
The DNC will call this bluff because they don't care if they lose.
Yes they do care. It may not have seemed like it thus far, but only because they thought they could ride it out. It’s becoming obvious they can’t as people become more angry. They want to keep their positions and their pay and their perks, and that’s all on the line if they lose the midterms.
There are only so many jobs on network television.
I've voted in every primary since I turned 18 in the year 2000 and this is still happening.
My ballot must be broken.
Doubt it. They’ll try, but they want need to win if they want to keep their cushy jobs with their cushy taxpayer funded homes and healthcare, and it’s obvious as fuck the public tide is turning.
If Newsom wants to cling to his old-school anti progressive bullshit, he’s going to find that won’t work for long. People are getting angry enough to begin paying attention, and establishment dinosaurs will find they’re about to go extinct.
We’ve seen this trend before, and it’s obvious where this is going.
Oh look, Democrats have betrayed their own constituency again!?!
I, for one, am stunned
Who knew?!?
Ha, yeah, I read it.
Just like eight Democrats "ran counter to their own Democratic party" with the last lame half-assed "attempt" to pass minimum wage.
No generalizations were made. The Democrats have betrayed their own constituents again. It's a statement of fact.
You know what sucks? When someone doesn't know what a "generalization" is.
... Continues to make generalizations. Says they're not making generalizations and builds apathy.
I think corporate dems and neo-libs suck too, but comments like yours add nothing.
“Runs counter to his own Democratic party…”
But they're not going to throw him out either, so... how about you work on those 1+1 skills.
Retirees are an important voting block and rightfully oppose any wealth tax that has a chance of affecting them.
Newsom is a piece of shit, and our next dem candidate, that most of you will browbeat us into pretending he's cool. Right before he changes nothing and hands it back to the republicans.
Because he's the uniparty, he's of the oligarchy, he is the oligarchy. Fuck this guy.
Ha ha, you have a lot to learn about just how much the democratic establishment eats corporate dick. He is the frontrunner, make no mistake.
He could've stood up an taken the country in 2024 when we needed it, but he waited his turn, and now it's his turn.
It’ll be either Newsom or Harris again, because it’s still her turn.
They absolutely will put Newson up for president because he is one of their own.
It’s not red ha blue anymore, it’s corporate dems vs nwo oligarchs.
Oh he will the Democratic party have chosen thier candidate he been the choice for long time. They run primary and Harris be there and they might even run Hillary. Then they sprinkle in some moderates like oh Pete Buttigieg, just to make you think you have choices. If AOC runs then they throe Elizabeth Warren just to make sure it spilts that vote. Regardless Newsome will win the primary and he be a Blue Maga. Look how they already sabotaging their campaigns by abandoning trans people.
You’re completely delusional if you think Clinton will run in the 2028 primaries.
From your lips to god’s ears
Oh god no, I don’t want newsom, I want pritzker
Worse he right of Regan and base on his veto and his guest on his podcast by time the Dems shove him down our throats only difference will be from Trump will be his age. The Democrats love moving futher right every single time.
I am begging you to remember, '28 Democratic primary voters: If he does it to us, he'll do it to you.
It's rare that a politician is required to make such a clear choice between the wealthy elite and regular working people. Most of the time that is done in secret or with plausible deniability. This is really Gavin just saying, "I choose rich people."
Gavin Newsom exemplifies what is wrong with the Democratic party.
Bingo, he runs with the hare and the hounds and lends credibility to the Republican notion that all dems are deeply corrupted.
Fuck you Gavin
I couldn't have said it better.
I hear you, but don't let the lack of a perfect solution be the enemy of progress. A one-time tax would still (theoretically) do some good, and not harm anybody. So long as those funds are properly allocated.
Prop 40 has a loop hole where they can tax everyone on assets if ca needs to. I’m against taxing assets in general. Tax actual income 80% for all I care for billionaires but taxing assets is full of legal issues. Who says what something is worth?
Good for them for figuring out how to gain the system. Eventually they have to pay those loans
Don't care. They need to pay it.
Man, I so hope this kills his political aspirations dead.
He's the "Diet Republican" brand of Democrat (most Democrats are but especially him), and people have already shown repeatedly that they arent interested in that.
People who want a Republican will vote for the real thing. People who don't want a Republican will vote for someone else. He's pandering to a crowd that doesn't exist in any significant size.
This precisely, haven’t heard it described better.
The exact reason Trump is president and Democrats are floundering.
The fucked us w Bernie and lost the political capital and elections since.
Fuxk Newsome, every AIPAC backed candidate and establishment Democrats.
Go DemSoc or go the fuck home.
Newsome is a cunt
Which is all the more reason he's going to be shoved in our faces come '28. The bar has been lowered so far that the dems now need merely to put up an (arguably) living, breathing warm body up as candidate in order to be considered competitive. They will take the ground they won by putting up with Trump for the past decade by doing shit like this now-- because who's the alternative? The ones nakedly enriching themselves with taxpayer money?
They will run him, braindead liberals will simp for him, he will lose, and they will blame everyone who refused to vote for him.
Democrats will not run a viable candidate because the mask has come off. They'd rather lose and continue cosplaying as opposition than to win and be criticized, the money is coming to their pockets either way.
I won't vote for him
Doomed no matter who
Then vote socialist.
Ahh yes, a third party with absolutely no support in the house. They'd get so much done, even in the 5% chance they actually get elected because the system is rigged for two parties.
Don't get me wrong. Would love a mamdani or even El sayed (sorry if it's misspelled, going off of memory) to be placed all over every part of our government. More AOC's and Sanders'. But we need to make the best short term option, not just help guarantee the win of the fascists by withholding votes or put them on a third party with no chance of winning. We're not ending this shit hole situation in a single election, so better to make progressive change than let the atrocities continue with full support from the entire government.
then go somewhere with ranked choice voting so you aren't throwing away your vote.
Throwing away your vote would be voting for establishment dems or repubs. You're going to gleefully vote for the party that dramatically accelerated the genocide in Gaza?
I car significantly more about my friends than about strangers on the other side of the planet
Not American, but this fucker's a Democrat?
Wow, sorry guys, but you're fucked. You really do need to press reset and start again.
Democrats are still a right wing party like the UK Conservatives, or Australian Liberals. They only seem left leaning to GOP because they're even further right, more like UK Reform or Australian One Nation (basically the party that that all the bigots and racists support - in all those cases).
They don't have a centrist party let alone a left-leaning one
Yeah, we're seeing this creep towards the right in a lot of places. Often that means a new party on the actual left will grow in popularity - but it seems like America is stuck with a 2 party system. It's vote for the right or the hard right. Sad times.
Democrats are spineless. They have ZERO spine and roll over to the trumpstein class at the earliest possible moment. Fuck the dems. Fuck the repubs
No one would call you one for that. Newsom is 100% owned and sucks hard. Now maybe if you attack people calling for solidarity to keep a Republican from office. Without offering a viable alternative. But let's hope it doesn't come to that.
With no incumbent at least we should be guaranteed a primary. No doubt it will still be a shit show. But hopefully we can take him out in the primary.
You obviously haven’t been on Lemmy for too long. Anyone disagreeing with the “blue no matter who” rhetoric on here gets called a tankie.
Or a Russian LLM
My lemmy.world account will be 4 years old this June. I've been active since then pretty regularly.
Generally it's the people who are against Blue no matter who that are the ones that do the name calling. There's one down below even. But I'm not going to deny it goes a little bit both ways.
Slogans by the very nature cannot be nuanced manifestos. They must be short, punchy, and easy to remember. But till November 4th, we are in the general. You are just gonna have to accept it. I'd rather have DSA all day, every day too. But they don't even run here.
But yall need to understand. You might have the privilege of being able to vote for a third party without hurting a national/state Democrats chances of winning your state. But plenty of places have issues with even having a second party running in elections let alone someone other than Democrats. If you don't atack others for taking advantage of the only viable choices they have. Waving Your Privilege in their face. They won't attack you for your privilege. Let's work together to get the best viable options to improve the material conditions of everyone. Agreed?
It's just math.
When you have, for all practical purposes, two choices, and one of them will win, you're most likely in the position of having to vote for the least shitty candidate. Failing to do so only supports the most shitty candidate.
As long as the general election is FPTP, that math will hold. Specific to Newsom, as bad as he is, I can think of a whole lot of people who are worse than him.
This is exactly why US democracy is a lie. If you get a “choice” between evil and hellish, you don’t really have a choice.
you havent been on bluesky or some of the earlier lemmy posts about him. I remember getting told to "enjoy the camps" because I was pissed back when he started to clearly show he was a transphobic cunt
I avoid bluesky. Not my tastes.
I think newsom is unqualified to hold a door open, let alone public office. Unfortunately you and I are minorities and what we think doesn't matter much. God forbid he or Harris make it to the general. But if they should. Do you think it better the election go to whatever homunculus Thiel is running? In the general, what other viable option will there be? If you live in a blue state. Absolutely vote your conscience. All I want is for those voting for their material conditions to not be attacked by those who should be allies. Same as you.
This time there will be a primary at least. Unlike the acrimony that corpse Biden unleashed in 24. So there's a chance they won't make it. And we have 2 years to make that a reality.
It's kind of ironic you assuming that people are liberals just because they disagree with you. And being upset that they call you a tanky for disagreeing with them. Something which I'm not doing.
Quite frankly I think we should abolish the state. But unfortunately when it comes to solidarity unless you and I have solid viable alternatives. That will directly impact their material conditions in a positive way. And realistically short of Revolution we don't. And I don't see anyone revolting here. Then we are unfortunately left to go with the majority when it comes to things like the national elections. Which again is why we shouldn't have such wide spread election. Or offices that centralized to require such. But non-participation doesn't improve the material conditions of anyone.
Bud, it isn't an assumption when the action is both reliant on liberal beliefs, and the individuals openly express liberal values.
Also, you don't get to pick that moral value for other people. As much as I believe we are obligated to exercise whatever power we are afforded, which includes a vote, I could never in good conscience tell someone they're a problem for refusing to participate in a system that has committed genocide against their people. Colonizers don't just colonize by explicitly and intentionally dominating other groups, they often do so by asserting that their "moral" philosophy is in everyone's best interest, even if that means the "unfortunate" reality that necessitates them deciding for others.
The narrative you just created requires us to forget that vulnerable people have revolted against the US state for centuries. You're saying that their resistance only counts as something to put faith in when the privileged white people join in, and conveniently, that means we should just do what the privileged white people wany out of practicality. This is not the mindset of a reasonable, empathetic person, it is of someone whose politics are oriented around their own comfort; many of us do not enjoy that privilege.
If the sole survivor of a Palestinian family does not want to vote, who the fuck are you or I to tell them they're immoral if they don't want to help their family's murderers do anything for some fake "greater good." For fuck's sake, you'd refuse them even that? Why should you have any right to tell a closeted trans person who's skirting through genocide that they aren't allowed to maintain some feeling of power or self-authorship by refusing this system their participation? What, them giving away their less than one percent of the vote gonna make all the privileged people listen to trans people for the first time fucking ever?
These are people who have lost and given more than what we could ask of anyone simply by being victimized by this system, and they do not represent dominant voting trends even in the minority groups they represent. You want them to vote for your benefit, don't act like it is anything else. This discourse didn't become prominent in liberal discourses until they wanted to blame victims for not supporting the "good guys," and it's disgusting. If you're going to act like this is from whatever, socialist and/or anarchist voters, I'd love to see either stats that proves some sleeping giant lives among us, or an argument that targets them specifically without presuming to speak on the moral purity of victims.
Fuck off with this fake shit.
Scumbag. Just look at the haircut, and who he's been close with in his life. Dude is epstein class through and through.
I mean, Democrats in general are controlled opposition, so that’s not even a real question. They all serve the interests of capital, not the working class.
Yes.
Liberal democracies exist to serve capital interests. This is why they fund the police state first and foremost, to protect private property over any other purpose. It's been this way for a long time, see 3/5ths compromise in the US constitution for one clear example.
In the UK constitution there are laws that state that no government may bind the hands of a future government and that a vote can always be superceded by another vote.
Does the US not have such laws?
That's very much an unwritten law, like much of the UK constitution. As a general rule every country that has a codified constitution has very much bound the hands of future governments, to a greater or lesser extent.
Isn't that what a Constitution's for? A law that prevents other laws.
Conservative asshole
Neo-lib asshole. Which is basically the same thing tbf.
Conservatives captured the term "liberalism" for themselves, which is quite tiring.
No, it's that liberals don't or refuse to realize that "conservatives" are liberals.
It's socialism or barbarism, and putting a rainbow flag on your barbarism doesn't change that.
in theory neoliberals respect your right to have an abortion, marry whoever you want and put whatever you want in your body. the conservatives seem to hat all of that calling it "woke".
and put whatever you want in your body.
The War on drugs is bipartisan.
Remember when he was pretending to be a peoples governor?
With moves like that, we all KNOW the Dems are going to hold all of the rich pedophilic traitors responsible for their illegal actions FOR SURE!
I mean, he won't tax them, but he will DEFINITELY arrest them, and have them convicted and imprisoned FOR SURE
With all of the illegal actions and stealing of our cash, the DEMS will DEFINITELY hold the tech bros responsible for their pedophilic and traitorous actions! Nevermind that the dem leadership is ALSO PAID BY THIEL. They will hold musk and co responsible and imprison them FOR SURE
Just keep voting for Dems and you will be able to beat those random two (or 6) that flip at key votes. If you vote a little harder for Democrats, they will be able to defeat the parliamentarian when they have the votes.
Nevermind that the Democrats have NEVER restored any benefits or programs that Republicans have cut (they had the votes in '96 and didn't, Newsome could have done universal healthcare and he didn't)
ITS TIME FOR SOMETHING ELSE. NO MORE FASCISM
Voting strategically for the least bad candidate presented by the two major parties is the only thing that has been shown to work. It's how we have the DSA candidates in government that we actually have. None of them have ever won by running as a third party. Not a single one.
Which is why it's so important to turn out during the primaries. Make sure Gavin isn't the candidate by voting for candidates you actually like during the primaries. If he wins the nomination, and I sure hope he doesn't, I'd still vote for him over JD Vance or whatever sick fascist wins the GOP nomination. That's how it works.
I’d still vote for him over JD Vance or whatever sick fascist wins the GOP nomination.
You would, I would, but the 2024 election showed that this doesn’t speak to enough voters to win. If the Democratic Party leadership doesn’t act on that info, I’m not sure what to do
The solution to this is electing politicians who promise not to compromise during primary season, NOT allowing your political enemies to win general elections. Even in a worst case scenario where your candidate is prancing around saying, "I love compromise!", it's still preferable to have a candidate who supports 50% of what you want than one who wants nothing you want and everything you don't.
Voting strategically for the least bad candidate presented by the two major parties is the only thing that has been shown to work
It hasn't worked. It gave us Clinton, the OG Epsteincrat. Then it gave us a string of loser shitlibs who caved to fascism at the first shove. And a long string of corporate cutouts - from Biden to Lieberman to Manchin to Fetterman - who only knew how to obstruct from within the Democratic party.
This strategy is why America is the only country in the industrial world without a public health care policy. It's why we have exploding student debts and a housing crisis. Neoliberalism is a curse.
Not trying to be pedantic but the housing crisis is not specific to the US, it's a problem that exists in a lot of the Western world. The leave the other two as special US issues along with gun violence, incarceration rates along with a whole string of other issues that are American exceptionalism.
the housing crisis is not specific to the US, it’s a problem that exists in a lot of the Western world
The US expanded it's housing model to the rest of the world. The concept of a mortgage - a lifelong debt to some faceless creditors for the privilege of not being homeless - is recent and local. And the hyper-financialization of these debts, resulting in exploding administrative costs, is even more recent and local.
It's a creature of the American economy that has been spread by American banks for the purpose of juicing American profits.
What is your strategy and can you point to it having worked recently? Electing Obama was preferable to electing McCain, was it not? Electing Clinton was preferable to reelecting Bush Sr., was it not? Electing Hillary would have been preferable to Trump. Y/N? Electing Biden was preferable to reelecting Trump. Y/N? Electing Harris would have been preferable to Trump. Y/N?
This isn't complicated. The system is dead simple, and certain people keep making the wrong choices. We are a democracy. We have the government we have not because choices are being forced on us, but because our citizens keep making shitty choices. Can we not? Please?
If you have a democracy how come the US government so often does things no one voted/asked for? Unless the US government tricks everyone into thinking it's a democracy so they can shift the blame away from themselves whenever they do something horrible.
The system is incredibly complicated. You've just been too absent to notice, and this is not a good system... Its terrible.
And wow... What a choice we have! Corpo pigs or corpo pigs with sharper teeth. Elections have some effect but that study from Princeton years ago LITERALLY showed that elections are mainly useless. https://www.bbc.com/...
Organizing, community structuring, mutual aid, decentralizing, educating are all completely necessary alongside it. Honestly, often in replacement of the complete failure our system is.
And I know I'm about to be accused of being a anti-voting shill who has been recruited right before midterms. I'm not, I do vote (very intentionally and informed) every election, but I think we need to do SOOO much more.
We have the government we have not because choices are being forced on us, but because our citizens keep making shitty choices. Can we not? Please?
Nope. People are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling and will continually fuck things up for stupid reasons.
Electing Obama was preferable to electing McCain, was it not?
It's difficult to say. Would a John McCain Presidency with a Dem Congressional majority have produced the kind of progressive compromises that Bush/Pelosi and Reagan/O'Neil gave up?
Would it have all ended like Clinton's second term, with Corporate Dems selling off the farm while crying about how the President made them do it?
In the same way it's difficult to say "Hillary would be better than Trump" without knowing the fresh new horrors her campaign would have inflicted. Or, for that matter, whether a Hillary 2016 just ends in a Trump 2020.
It's all empty speculation. And it's all just predicated on eating what these corrupt organizations churn out.
This isn’t complicated. The system is dead simple, and certain people keep making the wrong choices.
The system is what it does. If you think the outcomes are wrong, then you either acknowledge the system itself is broken or you give up on the concept of liberal democracy.
Because the US isn't unique. Trumpie candidates have been popping out of neoliberal democratic systems for over a century. "The voters are wrong" is a sentiment directly at odds with the democratic model. The voters can't be wrong, unless you've identified some Guardian Council better suited to select the candidates.
Voting strategically for the least bad candidate presented by the two major parties is the only thing that has been shown to work.
If this is the system working then the system is bullshit.
God, fuck this guy with a fucking pineapple. Why can't we get candidates who aren't pieces of shit?
Because everything is about money.
But it's not. You can't eat money, you can't bring back an uninhabitable planet once you destroy it for pieces of paper. The things that are important, aren't the things we are focusing on because we are a stupid species that's going to destroy ourselves. And it will be peak irony.
My comment is from the perspective of politicians, not the average person.
The average person is too focused on getting enough money to survive to care about an uninhabitable planet
Because of the way they our political system is set up, and the laws and regulations that surround political spending, money is everything to a party politician even if it isn't.
As a politician, your party controls everything. They control what committees you sit on, whether or not the rest of the party will vote for something you work on, whether or not you will receive any financial assistance (or opposition) in your primary or general campaign.
What determines your status in the party? How much money you contribute to them via fundraisers. What's a great, efficient way to raise funds for your party? Fucking over the population by catering to the rich.
That's what I'm saying. This is why campaign finance laws and regulations need to change. It's extremely difficult to do anything, even if you get elected, when you don't have any power.
There's plenty of great candidates. Check the green party or labor party or communist party
Well, I don't live in California. So unless he runs for president, I won't get to help choose who the nominee is. And I'll vote for who I want to win in the primary, but I'm not gonna throw away my vote during the general bcz he's a bad candidate bcz.whoever the Republicans nominate will be a straight up fascist.
"What're you gonna do about it, vote republican?" - The democratic party
I love how honest we are becoming with each other. Hang up your masks blue maga, you dont need them anymore.
Don't get me wrong, I hate both parties but at least Republicans aren't frauds and have a real ideology. Even if that ideology is awful.
Gavin recently vetoed a law that would stop California from extraditing people who are charged by other states for the crime of receiving healthcare in California. He said he couldn't restrict future governors.
Now he's supporting a bill to restrict future legislatures from passing wealth taxes.
Not only is he a bigot, he is also a hypocrite. He is term limited from running for Governor, but clearly is wanting to run for president someday. Let me make it completely clear to anyone reading. There are no circumstances that could ever convince me to vote for newsom. I hope he suffers whatever is the worst fate that can be described while following the rules of this community.
Well he basically just killed his chances of winning
You don't get the votes from the majority by moving further right. Look at Hilary and Harris.
You MUST vote for Him is we Make him the Presidential Nominee otherwise you HATE America!
-Democrats CAMPAIGNING for Republicans in the Midterms!
Fucking telling me, this is likely their front man at this time and he's about as Republican as they come.
As a socialist that still votes for the lesser of two evils I look forward to them blaming me in a couple months because their absolute dog shit candidates dont win.
Is it the party and awful candidates to blame that they can’t attract enough votes? No it’s those stupid voters that won’t vote for our terrible candidates.
Imagine voting for evil, lmao
You don't, you make a bill, pass the bill and it stands as long as no one tries to fight it.
I already didn't like his policies if he runs for president, and need someone much better to win the primary.
He's clearly showing his allegiance. Any party that nominates this guy is not on our side.
Newsom is an evil, conservative sack of cockroaches wearing a wig.
Awww. Roaches are beneficial to other animals. Unlike newsance
Most of them are, but i at least like the ones that are pretending they are sacks of shit. Ideally we do some rioting or something that makes my solarpunk dreams reality
Oh so he's making his pivot to UltraFascism now. Coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
Now? No lol he’s been fascist light for a long time. He just vetoed a bill that would have given native Americans water rights on the kalamath river. He vetoed a bill that would have kept private equity out of primary care. He created an Anti-semitism task force to hunt down teachers who teach correct history about Israel or lead protests. He vetoes all the progressive legislation that passes. My favorite is his little podcast that apparently he has time to do while acting as governor on which he talks to fascists like Bannon, Ben Shapiro and Charlie Kirk and sides with them
For fuck sake, he'll probably get picked to be the dems presidential candidate in 2028.
You'd be surprised. I thought the same thing about trump 2024. A lot of people only see newsom as a charismatic anti-trump, And don't actually see or care about his individual decisions or policies. Which, come to think of it, is very similar to how trump made it in.
The truly fucked part of government is the people who you'd want in the position absolutely want no part of the position. Almost everyone in government is in there for the money and the power. If you did manage to get someone in who is altruistic, they would simply be fighting against swarm upon swarm of horrible people, while at the same time refusing to take bribes and make personal deals to be able to advance any form of wealth.
For the most part, we've designed our government to only attract self-serving pieces of shit, and the few that aren't in that camp never make it to the top because of all the other self-serving pieces of shit.
We're looking at a sack of turds that occasionally does something anti-trump while licking the balls of some other oligarch, vs someone who walks out there talking centrist and campaigns for the right claiming they're very nice people.
It is entirely possible that the DNC puts him out front instead of AOC, then we're left with whoever trumps successor is (asuming we ever have actual real elections again), or some democrat right sycophant, or trying to convince everyone in the fucking US to write in a name.
We're cooked any way the cards fall
Not really cooked any way the cards fall, you as an individual understand that alongside myself. Our knowledge and ability to discuss freely is what will save us. The senate has a good chance soon, we'll know:
The Democratic candidates for those potential flips:
North Carolina: Roy Cooper
Ohio: Sherrod Brown
Alaska: Mary Peltola
Maine: Troy Jackson
Texas: James Talarico
Iowa: Josh Turek
Kansas: Adam Hamilton
As if anyone can remember anything for longer than a week.
The primaries showed how much pull cable news pundits still have. They just have to tell voters "don't vote for the policy that helps you and everyone else, the only way to beat republicans is if you imagine a voter who loves republicans dogshit policy and strategically vote for a dem candidate with those policies"
Bad choice, Newsom, especially considering we already have some wealth taxes, like the tax on real estate wealth. It's not like wealth taxes are unprecedented. At least he's not running again.
He'll be running for president if we have elections in 2028.
Yeah, Same here honestly
The proposition for a one-time tax on billionaires, while I hope it does pass, is not the most important prop in this regard. If for no reason other than it’s just a one-time tax. The counter-proposition to ban taxes on “personal property” i.e. wealth is far more impactful long term. We should be taxing wealth and not income. If that prop passes, California will never be able to tax wealth. And frankly I’m worried it will, because Americans just have this reflexive “taxes bad” ideology and will vote for it thinking it means the state will never be able to tax the $15k they have sitting in their Roth IRA or whatever.
And what they consider taxable from personal property and what they don't is entirely designed to fuck over the poor. They'll tax your hovel, or your car you use to get to your shitty job, but not your bosses 20 million dollar investment account.
Such a similar name to Gavin Belson from Silicon Valley TV show. Coincidence?
I'm really hoping some dipshit Republican shoots this asswipe before the primaries that'd be funny.
At least that nonsense is starting to fall apart and Americans are being more active with primaries.
It’s actually part of the intention, not contrary. If you’re in the “vote blue, no matter who” mindset, then you’re looking at the primary as your election. You don’t get to decide to not vote on Election Day; you’re already going to vote for the Democratic nominee. So you get involved in the primaries.
short term? since when has short term thinking been a virtue? your short term options are bad or worse, it’s not even “incremental progress tm”. you probly should start thinking long term if you are still interested in progress
Financial obesity is neurotoxic, an existential threat to any society that tolerates it, and needs to cease being celebrated, rewarded, and positioned as an aspirational goal.
Corporations are the only ‘persons’ which should be subjected to capital punishment, but trillionaires should be forced to transition into billionaires, and billionaires should be euthanised through taxation.
It would solve so many problems
This monetary obesity is due to shareholder externalized ownership. Since people who aren't stakeholders can own the capital of a firm, all the responsibility and externalities are externalized from them. We need direct stakeholder ownership. Anyone who is a worker, consumer, and environmentally impacted by a firm needs to have shared ownership over its operations at whatever level need. We need coöperative ownership. We need a coöp commonwealth!
It's because Gavin comes from old wealth.
The people continue to be treated like rag dolls for the rich. People are such clowns for voting for this system. Split this fucker up. It is time.
Yeah he's just another hypocrit, everybody with half a brain already knew that.
So I guess the Dems can try again in 2032
I wonder what exactly is the tipping point between "Making money and helping the world" vs. "Whoa! I got a lotta money here and I need to goddam well protect it from parasites. Fuck the world". I put it at about 116 million.
Passive income that equals or exceeds your living expenses.
counterstrike vocal stem Enemy spotted.
Let’s see if Gavin newsom is in the Epstein files
May he be absolutely massacred in the presidential primary if he still plans to run. We're gonna Bloomberg this mofo.
The Democrats Aristocrats!
Looking forward to this thread being fully purged in late 2027
What exactly do you expect from Kimberly Guilfoyle's ex?
Interesting how he was saying before that he didn't support it because it didn't go far enough
If it somehow becomes this asshat vs vance or something, then I'll still be voting for newsom. I'll be holding my nose as it happens, but self-serving greed and nastiness wins against outright treason and intent for public harm.
If its Newsom vs Vance, we already lost, gavin will perform worse than a good candidate, and if Gavin somehow wins, it absolutely guarantees a republican sweep in 2030 and 2032
I fully expect to vote for Newsom because I hate him and that's how politics works: I vote for someone I hate.
BlUe nO mAtTeR wHo.
Unless your mayoral candidate lost the democratic primary, then its go all in with a spoiler candidate.
Never forget, Newsom isn't much different from the other political critters that are corroding America. Just because he isn't the worst, doesn't mean he ain't bad.
I don't know many other people that look like exactly the type of villain they are.
To get billionaire donors
Goddammit, Gavin...!
And people were cheering this clown for a potential presidential candidate because he threw shade back at trump. Just another Fetterman.
Gavin Newsom backs measure to kill the billionaire. Tax and ban future wealth.
and there shouldn't be the seal of the state of california. whoopsie.
You’d think, but many of California’s current budgetary problems can be traced to a specific law making it very difficult to raise property taxes from the early 70’s onwards. They’ve already been doing this for decades
Man's dug his own political grave. Good for him.
It's been said here before and I'm trying not to be defeatist but 40 is probably not going to pass. And it's basically a tacit admission that so many people still believe trickle down economics works...
They’re blanketing us with propaganda hard here. Tons of ads about how there’s a loophole to make it so that everyone can be taxed*, ads about how unions and teachers are against it, ads from people who ‘changed their mind’ about it, etc. I think I’ve got some that came in the mail that I let my cat have (he loves to shred paper).
* true in a very tortured reading of the text, but trying to implement it as anything other than a wealth tax on billionaires is almost certain to fail in court
Prop 40 is Californias one time billionaire retroactive tax. The two biggest arguments against it are “I earned all of that money on my own” and “we should tax them more than once” which I also agree with, but isn’t on the ballot. The one time tax could be on the ballot every year too, nothing is preventing that.
Thanks for informing them, I'm not sure how they managed to miss everything about the post I commented on 🤷
Of course. It was never about dems or reps, it was always the billionaire corporation elites vs the rest of the people. The obscenely rich vs the poor and increasingly the middle class, as they always want more and more and more. I don’t have anything against being a millionaire, but at some point, when you reach a certain sum, the rest should go back to the community and workers and consumers that made that wealth possible. You’d get a congratulatory letter about winning capitalism and move on.
How’s the boot taste, gavin?
Let's just imagine the headline ended before the word "tax"
I thought this said Gabe Newell for a second and I was confused.
...at the state level, and instead have that tax at the federal level.
That's an important bit of detail that somehow gets overlooked.
mega-douche zionist newsom is in 3rd place for the dem spot, according to Kalshi anyway, with Osoff leading and AOC second. newsom will just be a creature of the rich. Voting for him is the same as voting for musk, thiel, ellison, zuckerberg and besos. We should really just cut out the middle man and put them directly in charge.
Vote Blue No Matter Who!!!!!
Get involved in primaries if you don't like the candidates that gets put forward. But when there is a shitty blue vs shitty red contest you still have to decide which is the least stinky turd and get out and vote for it, because they do get a lot worse. A lot worse
I am with you. The democratic establishment is the enemy, and there is no escaping fascism under their leadership of the opposition.
Not a fucking chance in the world, and everyone downvoting is a fucking sheep. I do vote dem though, just against republicans, but it is now clear that has been folly.
You miss the actual truth here, by supporting corportist dems, we allow republicans to win.
As if the dems weren't the fucking oligarch tools themselves. Just because you have a bunch of half wits/bots voting with you, doesn't mean you are correct here. Wake the fuck up.
Allowing the dem establishment to run the opposition is tantamount to surrender. The Dem Establishment are the oligarchy, Jesus Christ.
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better work on your gag reflexes folks, because they are going to ram this guy down our throats so hard in 2028
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