As long as the right people get hurt they're happy.

Republicans would shit their own pants just to make us smell it.

They're gonna be a lot less happy when they try putting armed citizens in camps and they get fucking shot.

This is the most succinct you're ever going to get

They will deny it until they can't and go right back to denial the moment they can.

He's their security blanket, their binkie. Any parent knows it's nonsense but to the child's mind the magic of the binkie it is real. Arguing the reality of the binkie is futile.

Parents can rely on their child growing out of magical thinking but since these are adults, we've got to accept they are forever lost to the magic.

Their need for president binkie cannot be argued with. It can be slipped from their grasp by logic or trickery. The magic must be shattered, utterly and irrevocably. Only they can choose when that occurs.

He got the support of all the people who voted for him and all the people who didn't vote against him.

Inaction is an action. The majority are ok with this, otherwise they would have voted.

No vote. No opinion.

He got the majority of votes. He got the majority of the electoral.

The majority of participating voters wanted this.

Just because you guys cannot fathom how anyone would want this doesn't mean this is the same panic inducing situation for them. The majority of politically active people in the United States of America wanted this to happen as evidence of the election we just held.

Like when Elon gets rid of "all regulations" make private bounty hunters/hitman legal again?

I'm not even joking but if this doesn't happen there's no hope for the future. we're past the point of simply prosecuting and hoping they get some time in prison. examples need to be made so others know that just because the supreme court said it's legal to do whatever the fuck you want doesn't mean you're getting away with it from the public.

This is gonna be in my view history on our shared account, and my wife is gonna ask if I'm okay lmao

You reminded me me of when I was going through my dystopian fiction phase of reading the first time...I had a big stack of said novels to buy at Barnes and Noble.

They asked if I wanted to sign up for their loyalty card and I was so taken aback. Like...no...I do not want to be in your list.

So we must form our own.

shitposting 🫵😎

I know how anyone could organize something so large, But a mass strike/walkout would have more impact than anything else right now.

None of the common people go in to work until shit stain "abdicates"

This is a strong reason why I would think it would be a tactical error to mess with the elections. Elections are the pressure valve that people are willing to wait for. You can do so much harm and all is forgiven if you step down after an election loss.

Take away that mechanism, and you put all your leadership at huge risk, for minor benefit (history has shown they can get their way like 90% of the time anyway, the "left" will barely even say anything about their material goals and let them stand).

No, they say they want their 2nd amendment to protect their country from tyrants. But what they really meant was: to help the tyrant.

Black cojoles

I have a similar, albeit slightly less doomer, view currently. Focus on the safety and good of your community and loved ones, and remember that nothing is guaranteed to us. Do the necessary good steps like voting and protesting, but don't be naïve enough to think that's the whole of necessary action or a magic bullet to solve the problems. Do the good, but focus on the real workable action in your direct sphere of influence. Cheers.

Isolation really is an American mentality but it's not particularly great for actually striking out. If you want to atop things from getting worse Collectivist activities and thinking is your best chance.

Reach out to the people who are already doing stuff. If you have a union or a political action group, go to it and start organizing. If someone has already started organizing then join them and be subordinate. Find people who understand democratic systems and collective action and offer your time. In fighting is the luxury of peacetime so learn to do that which is not your own exact process. Set aside differences and petty disagreement and work to mutual benefit.

Learn the Roberts rules of order or how your local and state governments function and utilize channels that exist. If you have a gardening or farmers market society reach out and looking at replacing your lawn for gardens and pool with like minded neighbours. Learn first aid and stock a kit. Train your body to be fit and learn self defense. Prepare yourself to be disobedient on someone else's behalf.

Your votes at a federal level are no longer being considered but will your protest be toothless? If you are feeling doom, reach out and find hope in solidarity.

I hope that you are incorrect, but fear that you are closer to correct than not, sadly.

Fair, I just see no other way of swaying minds without consequences. We tried 4 years of shielding people from Trump's baser urges, and we ended with thousands of people dying each day to COVID. Then 4 year later THEY VOTED HIM BACK IN.

They don't even know what DEI means until oh hey, they're out on disability for months+ for surgery in their physically demanding job and need help because their arm or whatever doesn't work and/or they'll be out for surgery for months and/or SSDI rejects their claim. The willful ignorance and just plain ignorance is really sad.

There are already millions caught in the crosshairs. Its not a choice between doing nothing and saving lives, and doing something and losing them. We are losing them both ways but by doing nothing people evade social responsibility.

How, at this point, could anyone assume that in 4 years Trump will just "leave the office"?

This is spot on.

Just as we saw with Boomers in the UK, who happily threw their country off an economic cliff with Brexit, America's Boomers are equally feckless and unrelenting.

People over the age of 70 should lose the right to vote and just focus on being old and retired. It's absurd to have people constantly voting to chop down the tree whose shade they will never live to enjoy.

I'm sorry, I'm Canadian, and what exactly do you think all of NATO could do, allied and organized against the American armed forces? Do you seriously believe we could stage an effective military campaign against America? That would he suicide.

Using NATO to stop Trump, you want WW3? Because that's how you get WW3. You're not going to get any help until you help yourselfs. It's your house, you have to clean it up. If you need an idea of a place to start, I'd start with the Democrats.

If you have democratic senators you should be a thorn in their side about why aren't they grinding the Senate to a halt. Why they aren't using every tool available to resist senate Republicans. The Republicans did when Obama was president and he wasn't a fascist. Now seems like a good time to start using all those republican cheats to blanket obstruct the Senate and Congress.

If you have republican senators you should be getting involved with the democratic party, first screaming and dragging everyone you know with you. Then demanding over and over that the old game is dead and they need you and the people to get out of this.

Regardless, no one is coming to save you. You need to first believe that you can actually work with your neighbors, then saves yourselves. Tons of Americans have been begging for your help to stop Trump for over a decade now and you thought it was just their job to take care of it. Well guess what, it was yours too and you failed to answer the call.

This is literally the first I've heard of any of these things and whilst I'm not in North America I follow the political situation pretty closely. I'm not saying your wrong about any of it but who are the people saying this and where are they saying it? Has it been reported on either internally or externally to the US?

The overall playbook is fascist I agree but the situation I was trying to compare was Hitler invading a sovereign nation. Trump hasn't done that (yet anyway). I've got good friends in the US and I am very worried about them, I'm just not sure you're betting on the right horse by asking for outside nation-state aid. Rightly or wrongly they'll see that Trump was elected legally and they're never going to invade a country on that basis. There was zero talk of repercussions for Germany until Hitler invaded Poland because he followed the democratic process (or successfully manipulated it) to get elected and assume total power.

did they falsify 86 million votes? because that's how many people voted maga by sitting this one out.

sorry trashboat, apparently you were the king fascist all along. it's all your fault, and it's very important that we all recognize that it's trashboat's fault. the only way things can get better is if we all blame trashboat

a) "Not my fault" should be tattooed on the forehead of every American at birth. In this they're current president represents them perfectly.

b) Lazy, true. I didn't put in foot notes or provide links. However, a clearer example of laziness would be responding to an internet post to complain about how offended I feel instead of starting up a browser and find out what who locally is already doing something, and what still needs doing.

c) If my little post offended you then you are not going to believe what the leader of your country has been saying about my country! He is threatening our soverignty even! So you will excuse me if my response to your offense is this: ..|..

Sorry.

I haven't made any moral claim. I haven't said anything about right or wrong. Is this a case of you getting your platitudes mixed up? So many for Americans to choose from, hard to keep them straight I imagine. Words are hard.

The original post was some FREEDOM loving American asking where their saviour was. I responded by saying (essentially) look in a mirror. The Americans then all jumped on me to assuage the guilt they feel because my point is an obvious one. Then they all did that thing where they point to someone else to blame rather than doing the relatively simple step of getting involved themselves.

So,it's billionaires now is it? Wow. The level of delusion is remarkable. for liberals it's billionaires, foreign governments, and rogue news stations. For conservatives it's immigrants, liberals, and the Clintons. Its remarkable to see the manufacturing of consent demonstrated so clearly. See Noam Chomosky's book of that title for context - though I don;t expect anyone reading this will. low effort posts are easier.

Surely there will be waves of protestors being kicked out on the streets with their families, left to starve in ditches with nothing they can do.

I apologize to American readers that I was not able to summarize my response into a witty, 30-second sound clip. I see these assumptions made in your response:

a) the only thing you can do is protest. b) you will have to protest during your work schedule. c) all employers will fire you for job abandonment if you protest. d) no employers are equally concerned with the downward spiral that is your country. e) even with the mass job loses due to job-abandoning protesters you will not be able to easily find another job. f) no one is doing anything already you can help with. g)your job/health coverage will be fine as things escalate if you do do anything. h) no one in your position has found a way to contribute. i) no need to look at the situation or ask questions because you no you can do nothing. i) history shows that the safest bet for you and your country is to sit there and do nothing.

The reason Americans don't have the ability to see through flimsy talking points is b/c your educational system is shit, tbh. We told you this too, every year. They are ranked. ie. we put them in numbered order from best (#1) to worst. Maybe you would have heard about it if you stopped yelling about how America is number #1 all the time. Spoilers: They aren't number #1 in education. Clearly.

I don't have the energy or patience to dismantle each possible excuse every American can come up to justify their inaction. They are #1 at that. So the simpler approach is from my initial response: find the people already doing something in your area and ask what you need to do. Do this instead of coming up with reasons not to do it. Do it as an act of faith in your country that you can do something. Do it as an act of freedom and bravery. Dare to do the impossible, like skipping your internet browsing time, to get in touch with people who are doing something. Read books about the sacrifices previous generations made for you to have the chance to sit and post on a non-censored platform like Lemmy. If internet posts can stopped facist governments the you can rely on us non-Americans to get the job done. Unlike us foreigners, you still have the best chance to turn this around.

Also, if you manage to waddle to meet up with some like minded individuals do post briefly here telling other Americans that it's actually not impossible. They are an obstinate people living on the southern border of my country. And although I enjoy ridiculing their weaknesses I would prefer to celebrate their successes, as has been our tradition until very recently.

Stop begging. Start demanding. They need to understand that democracy and unionization was the compromise. And, apparently, they won't listen to words.

That's neither easy, nor pretty, nor civilized. But they fucked around, and need to find out.

If you feel something, you're never alone. Organize through meatspace, use no digital tools. Which manual are you following? There are plenty to find if you look. Don't expect "others" to do it for you.

You think NATO should attack its own most powerful member just because hou have a hunch that the election was stolen? So like Jan 6 but on steroids?

You must be a russian troll-bot. This is the problem with the Internet, anybody can say their own crazy ideas and others will take them seriously.

There is no way to invade you.

Your military is 37% of the whole world. It would require literally you vs the whole rest of the world, and even then with you being a literal island, an invasion would probably still not be possible because of the supply line advantage.

I would love to know how military leaders feel about this. I feel in my heart of hearts they would not go against their people but I also realize how naive it is to feel this way. All in all, I guess we'll find out soon. God bless America except for Preaisent Elon and pussy boy Trump

Good cop, bad cop.

Divide and conquer.

This is literally the exact point.

Also, Fox News for like 20 years or more has had a “liberal“ segment, where they do equal stereotyping, strawman, caricatures, and general bashing of “conservatives“

Divide and conquer. Get people to focus on inconsequential or less important issues or manufactured crisis (Which are real)…

… Instead of allowing folks of different political stripes to unite around, for example, an end to billionaires and oligarchy.

For a great example of this, take a look at what Fred Hampton was able to achieve. That’s exactly why he was assassinated.

Thanks for sharing this! I added the link to my OG comment.

The hero thing is not a mindset of most Americans. It seems like you're considering everyone in the US is an ignorant conservative. While there is definitely a large group that is very ignorant and naive, there is a different large population that do not live in a fantasy world and understand what their country has done on a world stage.

The US is not the only democracy that is currently endangered. Europe can easily follow suit, South America in some parts as well, as we've seen.

Freedom doesn't come freely, it has to be fought for, hard, time and time again.

Yeah, this reply is a perfect example. It's a generalization of over 340 million individuals.

You are a fool.

They did it here in Canada to the trucker protestors.

It reinforced the need for non-central-bank digital currencies.
I never understood exactly what they did? Did they freeze all their assets, including stock portfolios, lines of credit, etc? I would have thought that would never happen in the US, but who knows. I wonder if they could freeze access to offshore accounts, e.g. Switzerland. I'm guessing Canadians affected by the freeze have moved a lot of their assets to offshore accounts now.

Wait, what?

Please recommend a good source for that movement coverage!

The only reason I’m asking for a source is because, well, a lot of sources tend to leave out pretty vital info…!

NPR has gotten pretty neo liberal. Or maybe it always was, and I just didn’t have anything better to compare it against.

Learn in this order:

• First Aid
• Gardening or Farming
• Food preservation
• Shooting
• Electronics and Radio

Also stop supporting anti-gun orgs ffs.

I don’t understand what it’s going to take for someone to do something. Protests are not going to work when they’re holding all our money, services, rights, data, etc hostage, and threatening all our public servants.

You know EXACTLY what you were calling for. Don't get high and mighty now.

Right??? Protest coordination on traditional social media is like… iffy now, at best.

The real problem with AI is that you have to be so damn skeptical even of real posts.

Please fuck off, thanks.

The culture war would have taken a different direction, but the class war would continue unabated. The owners of the Republicans and the Democrats are all on the same side in the class war.

It's ok once they're born, god only loves fetuses.

The Taliban won and they don't have advanced technology.

Yeah idk man, once they start putting IEDs on I-90 things are gonna change real quick.

From a VA employee:

This is destroying the Agency. People come to work terrified every day. I don’t know a single competent and qualified person who isn’t actively looking for work elsewhere and the only people who will be left to serve our Veterans are those with no other choices. The amount of sheer experience, knowledge, and brainpower being lost is irreplaceable, and the trust is already broken. We’ll never get it back. I am heartbroken that so many Republicans deeply, deeply hate us for doing our best every single day to serve Veterans. I will never forgive them for this.

https://open.substack.com/pub/progressreport/p/revenge-of-the-whiny-pampered-baby?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=2lkdbh

I don't know what you think despotism looks like, but this sure as hell isn't democracy nor is it a republic. This has nothing to do with losing an election, this has to do with some people's fantasy that Trump will ever give up power. I guess we need to wait until evidence surfaces, and then only iron clad evidence that the worst is happening will possibly motivate them, maybe.

I disagree with your overall assessment that we are experiencing "light" or "transient" causes for general revolt.

That moment was Jan 6th. There was no heavy and hard change in Hitler's Germany from the Beer Hall Putsch all the way to Stalingrad and the gas chambers. It's all boiling the frog from here to there. Every change will seem like a light and transient one. By the time you feel you should go all in on the 2A, you will be mostly alone. That is by design.

In fact, we are already in the Gleichschaltung and the appeasement phase.

light and transient causes

dude... they're making concentration camps. This isn't just a "candidate"

Many states have done things like that. the problem is for the feds its all defined in the constitution so getting an overwhelming majority to agree to limit power needs an overwhelming push.

Imo the best thing to do would be push for a constitutional amendment that creates an initiative system that fully bypasses congress.

That looks like a PieFed bug - the leading # should normally not be parsed into a headline in Markdown unless it is followed by a space. I'll give @rimu@piefed.social a heads up!

That said, there's every reason to scream at this point. I wish all Americans seeking to flee the country the best of luck.

Which they co-opted from protesters in the 60's, rallying against the Vietnam war, which they co-opted from the Revolutionary war, where (allegedly, much harder to source), the revolutionaries also flew the Union Jack inverted. Its history to mean insurrection in the US is as old as the US.

Its been used in many other instances internationally, and yes, also at sea with a much deeper history to signal distress. Regardless, the pedantry is both technically and figuratively misplaced.

Ahh, I didn't know about that historical context. Thanks!

But I'm open to suggestions. Are their "missions" to save Amer8cans from themselves? Maybe some sad commercials showing masses of dumbfuck Americans all pointing blamesticks at each other like a spiderman meme, asking for donations?

When European leaders start threatening my country I will do that. Until then this sounds like fictional whataboutism.

No denying that.

Bro what? You ok?

I used to regulate a local sanitary code that explicitly defined "'should' means 'shall'; 'shall' means 'must'" because lawyers do litigate over these terms.

Saved a lot of time and resources (and public health) where a juxtaposed word in an administrative order didn't blow up a civil case.