If you are coming from Reddit: YSK that Lemmy and Piefed have no karma. Don't delete your posts.

6 days ago by silly_goose to c/youshouldknow

Some accounts are deleting their posts after a few downvotes. It's devastating on communities like c/asklemmy.

Lemmy doesn't track an account's karma like reddit. So, all downvotes will be isolated to your post or comment and won't affect your account—unless you wrote something truly horrible.

Remember lemmy is a community effort. Deleting a post also removes all comments on it. So you are not only robbing the effort others put in, you are actively removing knowledge from the fediverse. Others won't be able to find it through search and lemmy will seem lonelier than it already is.

forkDestroyer 206 points 6 days ago

You delete your posts because of karma.

I delete them because they display my embarrassing incompetence for all to see.

We are not the same.

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Impractical_Island 44 points 5 days ago

If you are controlled by cringe, there is cringe in you. If you are controlled by anger, there is anger in you. If you are moved by the world, the world lives rent-free in your head. Be empty, as the Buddha described, and then you will act in your full power, not simply react to the world. If you are always reacting, you are not in control of yourself. Free will is a skill. I pooped my pants while righting this. It tastes funny.

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partofthevoice 2 points 5 days ago

What if your existence is narrative? You may decide to be empty, but then your preconceived notion of emptiness would be consuming the majority of your presence. It’s like transitioning attention from content of thought to context of thought. Your directive is to observe thought in a manner which is unmoved by its content. That’s not empty. It’s a slowing of volatility. It’s an increase in observation at the expense of reaction. But what are you observing? Are you the observer, the reactor, the content being observed, or the pattern of reactions that other people recognize as you? Which is it? Are you a different person if you change any one of those? What if you change all of them — are you now a different person?

If you are always reacting, you are not in control of yourself.

If you are choosing not to react, isn’t that a reaction in itself? Aren’t you being controlled by the principal that non-reaction leads to a more fruitful experience?

Free will is a skill.

My will isn’t free. For my employer, they must pay me in order for my will to be aligned with their interests. For my wife, she had to bond with me in order for my will to align with hers. For me, I had to spend countless hours bashing my fucking head into walls before I began to will myself into proper etiquettes. I had to purchase college courses, to coerce my will into lower level thresholds where it could exact its interests. I had to suffer at the privilege of my narcissistic mother, to appreciate honesty in people as deeply as I do. None of that is free. Even if I do phenomenologically experience my will as free, I know that it is derivative and encapsulated in a shrine of personal experience. I can not will into existence that which I have no conception of.

My existence is all of this. A flood of narratives, some of which I selfishly claim as my own. But I do not own these narratives, nor did I create them. I simply believe them to be mine. When I choose to instead not attach myself to them, what am I left with exactly? Peace — ?

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Impractical_Island 6 points 5 days ago

First you must understand the self is an illusion. It's defined by möbiation within the topological matrix, what the Buddhists call "defilement." Everything already is empty; it is the null's implicit and explicit nature that allows it to be nothing/0 and full/1. From there, the emptiness creates a history with itself which is not defined by time. This is the matrix of The Matrix, which is about Judeo-Christian mysticism. We then create original sin within us, our initial möbiated entanglements which create the illusion of being a being defined by dualistic dichotomy (inner/outer). This creates a membrane of sorts and what allows you to persist as a monad in a monadic nodal communication system, as shown:

So there is you, the Server (what the Buddhists call the Ālaya-vijñāna), and all other beings. You only ever communicate with this source of symbols, which you can think how your brain puts together all inputs. How you entangle yourself with these symbols determines how your reality is procedurally generated, and the entanglement process is called Karma. How you entangle yourself is based entirely on how you set your intention, which is ALL you control.

All you experience is based on past and present Karma. The world is an illusion. You are not a featherless biped on the Earth. You are a pocket of consciousness and the Earth is inside you. Everything you experience is inside you, in your neurons, yea? Well, your device must be inside you. Linear causation is an illusion, as we are each our own monad, as all that is experience spawns inside your being, and it is procedurally generated based on how you entangle yourself.

All these delusions you have are built off false assumptions. You speak of attachment; you are very attached to this story you define all you know, and this ignorance is what causes your suffering as you hold on to what you consider necessary for your "self" to exist.

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some_kind_of_guy 7 points 5 days ago

Ok, I've got the device inside of me now. (Needed a lot more lube than I thought I would.) What's the next step?

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partofthevoice 4 points 5 days ago

What is achieved by mitigating suffering?

Assume I have removed myself from attachment. Assume I am as some call enlightened, present and mindful. Has anything materially changed? Is the universe more happy? 1000 years from now, will anyone care for what personable achievements I’d made?

I see the benefit to myself, clearly. Over simplified: suffering is unenjoyable, and I would prefer more enjoyment. Yet, so what? What’s the greater purpose being served, if one exists? Or… would my choice to embrace this experience be no more substantial than an addict’s embracement of heroin — subjective?

Honestly asking, I hope I don’t sound snide. I want to know if the end here is only personal satisfaction, along with whatever spiritual justifications can be attached to that, or is there something more?

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aphonefriend 20 points 6 days ago

I'm onto you now. Better delete this to be safe.

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kaidenshi 22 points 6 days ago

"three downvotes...better delete my own piss" ~ Bear Grylls

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Mearcfara 4 points 5 days ago

Actual lol

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0x0 13 points 5 days ago

Great accounts leave it standing as is for the younger accounts to learn from

You're indexed somewhere anyway

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Bluescluestoothpaste 5 points 5 days ago

I guess but sometimes there's nothing to learn from someone just stating some incorrect misinformation or something -- like if i make a comment "T is the chemical symbol for Tungsten", lm gonna delete that when im sober in the morning.

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sp3ctr4l 6 points 5 days ago

No, that's actually exactly the same.

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BillyClark 79 points 6 days ago

I was talking about this in another thread the other day, and somebody pointed out that, on the fediverse, every post gets pushed out everywhere. So, a user deleting their own post is just asking pretty please if all the federated instances will respect its deletion.

I don't think that all fediverse clients/portals delete the comments along with the posts. IIRC, Voyager lets you look at the comments on deleted posts, at least I think I've seen my own comment after the post was deleted.

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silly_goose 34 points 6 days ago

Yes. But by default the instances delete the content when the request comes.

Clients like voyager and summit do show your comment because the reference exist on your profile but others cannot discover it because the post itself is gone from all feeds.

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MalReynolds 6 points 6 days ago

So what you're saying is it's an instance choice (and instance admin) issue? Mine shows reply comments on deleted comments. You might reflect this in OP... Likely new admins don't know to turn it off as well.

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silly_goose 20 points 6 days ago

You have to modify lemmy or piefed code to not delete the post from server instances upon request. It happens automatically.

The comments stay and can be viewed on your profile. But they cannot be discovered by others because the post which reveals them to the outside world is gone.

Comments work a bit differently. When you look at a post, and a comment is deleted you can still see its reply comments.

So post is always the starting point of discovery. If you delete that everything inside is effectively gone—like removing the only door into a room.

Hope that made sense.

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MalReynolds 6 points 6 days ago

Thanks, makes sense now.

Still seems like a (server) code level problem to provide sensible handling rather than having to try to notify all users of an unintuitive behavior. I'm guessing piefed would likely listen, lemmy perhaps less so.

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MrQuallzin 6 points 6 days ago

It's a per-instance choice, yes. Comments though are handled differently. A deleted comment doesn't delete the thread or any surrounding comments, just itself. The issue at hand is when a post is deleted it also deletes all comments with it. Unlike reddit where a deleted post would still have all the comments and discussions below it.

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MalReynolds 1 point 6 days ago

a deleted post would still have all the comments and discussions below it.

Pretty damn sure that's exactly what I see. It just says 'deleted' or some such and carries on. Makes sense for an instance like .ml where censorship is the goal, much less elsewhere. Are you sure there isn't an off switch?

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Shadow 2 points 6 days ago

No, it's not a per instance choice unless you go and edit the code. Deleting a post hides the whole thing but comments are still available via a user profile.

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CultLeader4Hire 75 points 6 days ago

Don’t delete your stuff over downvotes ever. Say what you mean and mean what you say and if some people don’t like that oh well. The need for universal validation is killing human discourse

Being authentic means not everyone is going to like or agree with you all the time, it’s a good thing

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calcopiritus 37 points 6 days ago

Well, you can say stupid shit and only realize it after you already posted it.

In those situations it's better to just edit the comment so people can still read the stupid shit with the context that the commenter doesn't believe in the stupid shit anymore.

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yermaw 26 points 6 days ago

You saying I'm posting stupid shit without realising it?

Edit : you weren't talking about me at all my bad

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Vittelius 17 points 6 days ago

And this is how you handle realising that you just posted stupid shit. You keep the the stupid shit but you also acknowledge your mistake in an edit.

Good job accidentally modeling good behaviour

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Zachariah 11 points 5 days ago

“accidentally”

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quick_snail 4 points 5 days ago

My solution to that is to downvote my own comment. Happened once or twice

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LodeMike 17 points 6 days ago

A lot of the time people downvote stuff because it's already downvoted.

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SocialMediaRefugee 5 points 5 days ago

A few times I've posted a reply in reddit and gotten downvoted hard. Then I post the EXACT same comment to the same post a 2nd time as an experiment. It gets upvoted hard. I have to guess that it is a monkey mind response, people do what they see other people do automatically. They see the mob throwing rocks so they figure they should toss a rock. I also wonder if people who respond to a post earlier are more likely to downvote than people coming in later.

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A_Random_Idiot 3 points 6 days ago

Just dont up/downvote period. Its malignant cancer growing in human interaction.

This gamification of human discourse is one of the leading reasons we've seen opinions and positions polarize and extremify over the years, because of a dopamine addiction fueled feedback loop of saying the right thing and getting massive upvotes for it, and the feedback bubbles it inevitably creates.

To the point that people skip the entire conversation and just assume upvote = right and downvote = wrong, and vote en-masse without having to think, read, or develop any analytical skill or social ability.

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ayyy 13 points 6 days ago

But the internet has an endless stream of garbage that isn’t worth your time. Would you prefer an opaque algorithm controlled by someone else to sort things for you? The transparency of fediverse voting is refreshing and the least bad option.

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A_Random_Idiot -4 points 6 days ago

.. Just use the damn scroll wheel and scroll down, bro.

Hell, most the garbage on the internet only exists because of these gamification mechanisms anyway, get rid of those and theres no need to farm the shit with garbage posts.

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Bazoogle 6 points 5 days ago

I automate things that take 5 seconds to do. Why would I want to spend more time looking for reasonable, thoughtful, or funny posts. The system isn't perfect, but I think it's better than nothing

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yoyoyopo5 1 point 5 days ago

I want to be able to hide these metrics. If other people want to see them, that’s fine. But I’ve noticed my experience improving on any platform when I hide pretty much all metrics.

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A_Random_Idiot 1 point 5 days ago

It solves nothing to just selectively hide them.

Its an all or nothing game.

Get rid of them or embrace the continual decline of human interaction and the gamification and extremity of opinion and thought.

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SocialMediaRefugee 1 point 5 days ago

Yup. And it pushes alternate views down to the bottom of discussions where they are hidden. On reddit those that reflect the acceptable view of the echo chamber get highlighted. Those that question it get collapsed and buried.

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A_Random_Idiot 2 points 5 days ago

And people never read them, because the up/down vote system pushes them to the bottom, so they never realize how poignant or relevant they may be, but that wont stop them from trying to be part of the in group by blindly downvoting the already mass downvoted.

Action without thought

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MajorasTerribleFate 2 points 6 days ago

Sometimes, we say a thing we meant, but then later we learn a new thing or our perspective on an issue changes. That old post/comments can feel quite embarrassing or shameful, and removing it (or editing the original content out) can feel like the only way to still feel like you belong. If the choice is between removing one piece of your history here, or removing yourself from the community, the one piece feels like the superior choice. IF that's the alternative.

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SocialMediaRefugee 1 point 5 days ago

Some people (I see this on reddit a lot) will go through your comment history and use it to shoot the messenger.

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ripcord 1 point 5 days ago

Is anyone actually doing this though? A significant number?

How do you know?

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quick_snail 0 points 5 days ago

But don't post misinformation or break rules. That's the only reason for downvotes anyway

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Bazoogle 5 points 5 days ago

That’s the only reason for downvotes anyway

Down votes are for whatever the person down voting wants it to be. There is no one reason

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quick_snail -3 points 5 days ago

No. We have lemmyquite. Down votes are not, for example, for "I disagree"

I'm glad you learned something today about this platform

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Bazoogle 3 points 5 days ago

I disagree. And my down vote reflects that :)

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SocialMediaRefugee 3 points 5 days ago

Most downvotes are because someone doesn't agree with you.

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quick_snail 1 point 5 days ago

If that were true, we have a lot of work on our hands to educate users on this site. A banner message at the top of every page once day per month might help.

Or a bot run by the admin that sends DMs to someone when the put their first down vote on new accounts.

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Anivia 41 points 6 days ago

Even if you're on Reddit, deleting your post/comment because of downvotes is cowardly. Is your ego so fragile you won't stand by your own words because of imaginary internet points?

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b34k 16 points 6 days ago

I had a few heavily heavily downvoted comments on Reddit, usually just for making a joke that missed…. But I’d never delete them. Gotta own your mistakes and make up for it with quality replies

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thesohoriots 2 points 5 days ago

In that exact vein, I don’t appreciate an /s on a post, or a “forgot to add /s tee hee” edit. We got it, it wasn’t funny/going to be funny, let’s move on.

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Bazoogle 2 points 5 days ago

This /s

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schipelblorp 5 points 6 days ago

If you have karma to burn, sure. But if you're low-karma and an infrequent poster, a drop in karma means your comments get blocked in some communities or, worse, shadowbanned.

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CultLeader4Hire 2 points 6 days ago

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ToxicWaste 2 points 6 days ago

aren't there karma farming communities on reddit?

never understood karma tbh. but if it is supposed to be a reputation system - its pretty weak...

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schipelblorp 1 point 6 days ago

Maybe? I think they keep banning them.

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lemmydividebyzero 2 points 6 days ago

The main problem is that people give down votes for other opinions. They can't go to the next post or comment without pressing the negativity button. Their ego is fragile.

But I agree with your comment.

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melfie 35 points 5 days ago

I consider the downvote button to be the “fuck off” button, which I reserve for toxic comments or posts made in bad faith. I try to be generous with upvotes and sparing with downvotes, but some people here go straight for the downvote button and pile on more downvotes when something is already downvoted. If I see someone getting downvoted heavily who is acting in good faith, I’ll give them an upvote, even if I don’t necessarily agree. Otherwise, withholding an upvote is what I consider the correct response when I don’t agree or am not interested.

I do often delete my comment if I’m told to fuck off by too many people, mainly because it’s the first thing I’ll see in my client the next time I login, which will make me less motivated to engage next time.

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SocialMediaRefugee 9 points 5 days ago

You should be able to challenge the echo chamber or play devil's advocate without being downvoted into oblivion. It doesn't indicate a site is open to discussion and it looks more like a self gratification fest.

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some_kind_of_guy 4 points 5 days ago

Occasionally I'll leave a flippant reply, realize i was being kind of an ass, then delete it because I've realized leaving it up may be doing more harm than good in some way. That's what downvotes are for IMO - it's like the immune system of Lemmy, pruning off the unwanted shit.

I believe, though, that this post is about the phenomenon of people making a post (not just a comment), then the post accumulates hundreds of votes & comments and the creator of that post hits delete for whatever reason. Which sucks because that wipes the post as well as the comments.

This is something that needs to be fixed IMO. One theory is it's done to collect training data, psychological or market research - something along those lines. This is one of those rare places on the web where authentic human responses from a diverse cross-section of people can be harvested. If deletion wipes out all of it, those responses are captured and gone from the internet before too many competing bots and indexers can get to them.

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SocialMediaRefugee 3 points 5 days ago

More likely because they get a bunch of hostile replies and downvotes and say "fuck it". They don't want to see it piled up in their notifications.

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Track_Shovel 34 points 6 days ago

Is there a new influx of Reddit users? If so, why?

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Dalexes 39 points 6 days ago

They got rid of r/all and the bot karma farming went super critical.

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OctopusNemeses 18 points 6 days ago

It's overrun by AI slop bots too.

This was the top post of r/aww the other day. Nobody noticed the AI slop. Or maybe all the comments were bots too.

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Luccus 18 points 6 days ago

I fucking hate the current- and probably next-gen slop. Modern cell phone cameras rely on computational photography, since the software based solution of guessing what's there is much easier than expanding the physical optics and sensors.

But that also leads to artifacts that are very similar to AI-generated bullshit, because both are based on a computer making guesses based on a noisy input.

I hate that I can’t tell the difference between a cell phone's bad guess and a data center's really good guess.

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Upgrayedd1776 3 points 6 days ago

maybe that will make polaroids a thing again, since it relied on exposure i would image it would be more difficult to fake

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Whats_your_reasoning 16 points 6 days ago

The title is such nonsensical slop in itself. Wtf about hanging out in a litter box would make a cat "king"?

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Swedneck 5 points 6 days ago

execute healthy bowel movements, king

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teyrnon 6 points 6 days ago

A cat taking a piss is the last thing I would upload to the awww sub, and I actually did follow that one on half of my accounts there.

But what are the other tells now, I take it the pattern is different on the floor in the circled part? I couldn't even tell.

The last pic obviously the electrical outlet looks wrong but idk,

The cat in the last pic doesn't look like the same cat either, it's tail is fluffy, and it looks older, than the pissing cat?

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FreddiesLantern 4 points 6 days ago

These types of outlets do exist(old/rarely used) but it’s mounted sideways. However it doesn’t seem to have any grounding going on. Afaik a circular one should have grounding.

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OctopusNemeses 2 points 4 days ago

The last pic OP posted as a more recent photo, so the age isn't a tell.

Look at the focus shift on the cat's body in the last pic. The center of the body is out of focus for no reason. It's because LLMs don't have spatial sense. It doesn't "know" how to maintain realistic camera focus.

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Feathercrown 7 points 6 days ago

Wait seriously?

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lyrial 2 points 6 days ago

I mean, that isn't true. r/All is still available even with the shit app. It just takes 5 seconds of inconvenience now.

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tibi 2 points 6 days ago

They just removed best and hot from the app, now its a slop feed of low vote shit.

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Meatwagon 0 points 6 days ago

Reddit Is Fun still able to access All and Hot as of 6-17-26 and looking great as ever, but just looking at the titles of the posts make my eyes want to roll into the back of my head. It's all that 'hot take' language from tik Tom or whatever. Not sure how to describe it better.

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silly_goose 22 points 6 days ago

I'm not sure but maybe it's because reddit is aggressively banning or shadow banning accounts.

Every week spez does something to mess it up. It's hard to keep track.

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forbiddencherry 18 points 6 days ago

That's why I'm here. No clue what I even did wrong. Wild guess is that it was from editing a post that contained a pastebin link to code I was asking a question about. But whatever the reason, this place is actually kinda nice. I did manage to revive a throwaway Reddit account I once made, so I guess I could go back, but haven't really felt the need.

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teyrnon 4 points 6 days ago

They know it's you still, if you've been permabanned especially.

Even if no ip or browser fingerprints or any of that rot follows you from your old account, the way you talk, your phrases, would id you.

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Upgrayedd1776 3 points 6 days ago

ai burning down the data center trying to keep up with my bpd

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snooggums 3 points 6 days ago

Probably banned you for not being a bot.

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Meatwagon 2 points 6 days ago

They are banning people for upvoting comments they don't like. Did you recently upvote anything pro-labor or Luigi related?

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Track_Shovel 2 points 6 days ago

I've noticed that too. I have a lurker account but I've been largely out of touch with Reddit since 2014 or so.

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frostedtrailblazer 11 points 6 days ago

I’ve been off Reddit for awhile; when I looked over the past week it seems much deader.

Posts are getting much less engagement there than they were for the past few years, imo. Take my opinion with a grain of salt though cause that’s just for the most front page communities I happened to visit.

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iocase 12 points 6 days ago

"the internet is 5 giant websites filled with screenshots of the other 4"

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s38b35M5 1 point 6 days ago

Hello, Mr. Doctorow. Good day!

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I_Has_A_Hat 24 points 6 days ago

Why delete your posts yourself when you can just post to .ml and have them delete them for you?

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SocialMediaRefugee 3 points 5 days ago

Or get banned!

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tigeruppercut 22 points 6 days ago

Deleting a post also removes all comments on it.

This really needs to change. OP shouldn't have control over the conversations everyone's having, even if they can remove their portions of it. Even reddit didn't give OP that power, even if it was removed from the sub page.

FWIW some instances/front ends preserve the comments section, although it ends up being a bit jank. For example, if you load this through lemmy.zip, it shows as an error because OP deleted it. But if you go through old.lemmy.zip you can still see (most of) the comments, although not what the original post was.

https://lemmy.zip/post/65423752
https://old.lemmy.zip/post/65423752

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charokol 7 points 6 days ago

If your post has replies, “deleting” a comment should just remove your name from the post. Not just the replies remain, but the original comment too

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ltxrtquq 5 points 6 days ago

For that matter, let each comment have an edit history so we can see what you've changed. Usually it'll just be a spelling/formatting mistake, but the people deserve to know!

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Pamasich 1 point 5 days ago

The Right to Erasure would like a word with you there.

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diaphragmwp 0 points 6 days ago

No. It should be your choice to remove your own content AND replies often contain quotes of the original post.

(about to vent) This is like the idiocracy Wikimedia projects all have, like "oh we can rename you so that people don't know it was you, we can still see it ourselves tho, also don't ever ever edit again or we put the name back and mute you for a while" then I am like "yeah sure" and then they did in fact change the name of the account in the logs BUT pressing 2 buttons on it shows the original name AND it now basically just fucking GLOWS among the other names. Like, as if they seriously think one would rather press the same 2 buttons to check for renames on JohnDoe21 rather than on fucking Renamed user 12123738120912469074567097145637089345278901253470986453sfndmmsdfhnlgasmdfhbksfgjdsfd.

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tigeruppercut 7 points 6 days ago

I dunno the ins and outs of wiki infighting, but I don't think one person should have control over whether hundreds of comments get seen or not. Unfortunate if people can quote things that put you in a bad light but unless things are taken out of context maybe just think harder about what you post in the first place.

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ripcord 21 points 5 days ago

Are you sure people are deleting their posts? The last time this came up people went nuts making assumptions about the stupid things users were doing deleting their posts, and it turned out to be a mod.

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ThunderQueen 17 points 6 days ago

You can tell when a troll is from reddit because they will spam your comment history with downvotes as if it matters at all here.

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SocialMediaRefugee 3 points 5 days ago

Or they go through your comment history to attack you and go running to the playground. "Look at where they posted!!"

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RightHandOfIkaros 15 points 6 days ago

unless you wrote something truly horrible

Look, I will be honest, I don't like this about social media platforms. Nobody is perfect and not every person universally agrees on everything together. Disagreements and arguments are a guarantee. Who decides what is "truly horrible?" It should be defined in the rules by the mods and admins, not by each individual user.

Downvote a post or comment however you want, sure. But nobody should be following accounts to harass them in other threads or vote brigading every post they make just because they don't like or agree with a post. People do this all the time on Reddit, and Lemmy is no different, they do it here too. This is way more devastating to Lemmy than deleting comments or posts.

If a post or comment actually breaks rules, that is the moderator's and admin's job to take care of. Report it and let them handle it.

Nobody should be deleting posts, I agree, but also please don't be a Brigade Bozo. Nobody likes a Brigade Bozo.

EDIT: Also, may want to add "Why you should know this:" before your last paragraph.

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Strider 11 points 6 days ago

Also misunderstandings (on various layers! It's not obvious!) can go horribly wrong. As a neurodivergent it's the story of my life.

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Swedneck 2 points 6 days ago

So basically you're saying we should lobotomize all koalas? what the fuck dude, i can't believe you'd clearly state such a horrible opinion in a way that can't possibly be misinterpreted, how the fuck can you sincerely and passionately think that?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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Strider 2 points 6 days ago

❤️

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justaman123 7 points 6 days ago

I realize you're right, but when I first read this I thought it meant that if you wrote something truly horrible it would make you just have bad karma spiritually

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silly_goose 5 points 6 days ago

Who decides what is "truly horrible?

Exactly. A community rule violation is what I had in mind. Some things universally "horrible" I can think of are hate speech, racism, and bullying etc.

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teyrnon 4 points 6 days ago

People that follow someone around and downvote everything they write are pathetic. I would say I'm glad they are wasting their time, but I guess they can set up a bot to do it all so idk. It wouldn't be hard for an administrator to see.

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frostedtrailblazer 2 points 5 days ago

I hate to say it but I think that’s the point of why some people, mostly bots, brigade.

Imo, it’s a 4chan/discord/twitter style of attack to foster cult-like behaviors. It’s often purposeful done to drive out dissenters and it simultaneously makes it appear like your opinion is widely shared, while in reality it could be a very vocal minority, alt-accounts chiming in, or bots doing the brigading.

Many Lemmy communities have done a decent job so far at keeping bots out imo, which is something other social media platforms like Reddit don’t even attempt at doing at scale since it inflates active account numbers.

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daniskarma 14 points 5 days ago

I would assume that embarrassment drives most deletes here.

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Shindo66 14 points 5 days ago

I recently cheated on lemmy with reddit for a couple days. I'm back to lemmy. I like the community more and I find myself scrolling way less. I get what I would want to get out of reddit without sooooo much bullshit that you end up scrolling for an hour without even realizing it.

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Regrettable_incident 16 points 5 days ago

I recently cheated on lemmy with reddit for a couple days.

You bare-bottomed whore of Babylon! I bet you've been pouting at twitter and blue sky too. And facebook's had it's slimy hands all over you, I can smell it from here

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DiaDeLosMuertos 4 points 4 days ago

Ooooooowaaah. Is it a perfumey smell or a musty aroma ?

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AnimalsDream 14 points 4 days ago

On lemmy, downvotes are as much a badge of honor as upvotes. Chase the controversy! That's what the design incentivizes.

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Mpatch -2 points 4 days ago

Amen bring the down votes to many sheltered folks on this platform.

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1984 12 points 6 days ago

People are deleting their account because imagined karma being low? Why do people even care. I have no idea how much karma I have and it's pointless to know.

That really is the max sillyness, caring about points and likes on social media.

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echodot 10 points 6 days ago

There's bots on Lemmy that vote farm. There really is no sense to any of it.

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silly_goose 4 points 6 days ago

On reddit if you have a low karma your account gets severely limited. Shadow bans, you can't post on many subreddits etc.

But there's no such issues here most of the time. Each post / comment stands by its own merit.

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imetators 2 points 6 days ago

I have no idea how much karma I have

Because there is no such a thing as karma on lemmy. Upvotes dont sum up anywhere for us to see.

Lemmy is great! A post in one community can be heavily downvoted but in another would be upvoted to heaven. E.g. Ukraine@lemmy.ml and Ukraine@sh.itjust.works. Teaches us to read the room.

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1984 2 points 5 days ago

I really hope it's not made visible ever. Even reset every day would be good. We shouldn't care about silly things like that.

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frostedtrailblazer 1 point 5 days ago

The only thing that exists here is user level upvotes/downvotes.

Lemmy lets you see how many times you’ve liked another person’s previous comments/posts. So your personal score appears next to people for you to see only. I like this more this a karma system since it makes Lemmy a bit more tight knit.

I’ve been surprised a few times now though with users I’ve liked in the past making comments that were not so great down the line, but it makes me have to accept the reverse as well. Some people I must have really disagreed with in previous conversations have almost made great points and I ended up agreeing with them in those instances.

TL;DR: Not everyone’s perfect but people can grow and it’s good to give them room to do so was my takeaway.

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andrewmsc 12 points 5 days ago

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Vex_Detrause 8 points 5 days ago

For fudge's sake. What will AI scrape if you keep deleting! /s

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SalmonTractor 5 points 5 days ago

Funny thing is, your post isn't actually deleted in the database of the hosting fediverse server either. It's still there, and you can restore it.

Deleting your account "should" delete the database entries for your user account, and propagates a delete command out to the fediverse, but the fediverse can choose to ignore it as well.

It's all a bit odd.

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melfie 5 points 5 days ago

It also doesn’t delete your post from the databases run by the NSA, OpenAI, Anthropic, etc.

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SalmonTractor 4 points 5 days ago

That's an advantage - so you can contact them for a copy of your lost data if you ever need it. Helpful!

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_stranger_ 2 points 5 days ago

[redacted]

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quick_snail 1 point 5 days ago

Good point

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bandanawearingbanana 12 points 5 days ago

deleted by creator.

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HugeNerd 5 points 5 days ago

Better than "Deleted by The Creator"

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tehfishman 5 points 5 days ago

Uncreated by the one who creates

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some_kind_of_guy 3 points 5 days ago

Created by Deleter

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Eh_I 11 points 5 days ago

lol

It's fine to delete posts, except this one. This is peak lemmy.

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Hueristic_Autistic 11 points 5 days ago

I appreciate that this is an open source community where speech is more flexible which is what I was drawn to about lemmy but as with before I got banned on reddit, if I feel if my posts are embarrassing or show that they have no value to the people I am talking to, then I will remove them to not clog thread space.

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sem 2 points 4 days ago

As an alternative to deleting a post (which also deletes all other people's comments) you can also edit your post and replace it with a "." or "deleted" or similar.

There have been so many times that I go back to find a comment i remember, but can't find anything because OP deleted a post, which isn't how it works on reddit.

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Hueristic_Autistic 1 point 4 days ago

funny enough I use "Deleted" or "." on a different forum. So I'll do that here if the conversation hasn't surpassed too many comments going back and forth because just because someone doesn't directly agree with my opinion or what I think or even doesn't believe anything factual that has source links given along with it doesn't mean that the information throughout the argument or conversation can't be valuable to someone else.

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YeahIgotskills2 10 points 6 days ago

People should perhaps be cautious of what they downvote. I recently posted my take on something, but said I was open to counterarguments. The responses were good and made me reconsider (though not entirely alter) my opinion. My initial take was downvoted—which feels like it is being used as a 'disagree' button, which is arguably not the point.

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ToxicWaste 5 points 6 days ago

the disagree button is a common argument on lemmy. you just can't get rid of it as it is so much easier, than writing a comment.

just ignore it, if people use it to disagree. its just some stupid internet points - which don't even get summed up (as OP mentioned)

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Kjell 5 points 6 days ago

Isn't the upvote and downvote buttons intended for good and bad quality of the comments? A comment can have high quality and provide something to the discussion even if most people disagree with it.

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RightHandOfIkaros 3 points 5 days ago

Generally a high vote count is supposed to be primarily used to tell a user that:

this comment was made by a human
it is on topic to the conversation
it contributes to the conversation in a way that encourages further conversation
it is factually true, or it is not factually true but the user didn't know initially and was later corrected

Usually, a low negative vote count is supposed to mean:

this comment was made by a bot
it is off topic
it is a thread dead end
it is factually false, or the user knew it was factually false and did not correct it

It shoupd be noted that "factually true/false" does not mean "I think this or that" or "this isnt that because," it means "this is wrong and here is the verifiable source link." The conversations where votes tend to most often break these general points are political or emotional in nature, where a "factual truth may not exist for both sides or multiple different truths exist (ie, political ideologies ignoring something from 'the other side')," rather than something like scientific discussion where there is only one singular factual truth on a matter.

Of course, these have become so diluted now that negative votes on a comment could mean anything from "I dont agree with this users politics and didn't read past the first sentence before voting" to "this comment was already downvoted when I got here so I just downvoted it again without reading what it says because everyone else must be right."

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Bazoogle 3 points 5 days ago

Up and down votes, no matter what their "intention" is, will have a different meaning for each person that uses them. There is no way to create a universal use for something so arbitrary. Someone will down vote, and the person downvoted will never know why (unless there is a comment of course). That is the nature of the feature. It's not a flaw or a bug, it's human. I know lemmy has a lot of tech nerds that are very logical (myself included) but we are still human

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Crozekiel 3 points 6 days ago

I don't know that it is "not the point". I'm sure there are varied expectations, and I don't think there are clearly defined rules of what an up or down vote means exactly, but it seems they are generally accepted to be "this is a good post/comment" or "this is a bad post/comment". I think you just got downvoted because you had a bad take. That's OK. Shit happens.

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MrShankles 3 points 6 days ago

I set my lemmy client so that I can't see downvotes, only how many upvotes... and my instance doesn't enable downvotes as is. It changes the experience for the better imo

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nooch 9 points 6 days ago

You guys have downvotes? Every time I try to downvote a post I got a server error

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cRazi_man 15 points 6 days ago

Don't some instances deactivate downvotes?

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teyrnon 3 points 6 days ago

Piefed keeps a record of you attitude, you upvote to downvote ratio, I think I'm around like 80 some percent upvotes for instance. I think they are working on something else in that manner I don't recall.

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lemmydividebyzero 1 point 6 days ago

Yes. Mine, too. I can't give or see down votes.

But you don't usually need down votes. If it's terribly bad, report it... If not, ignore it...

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T156 9 points 6 days ago

Are people deleting because of karma?

At least from my time on Reddit, when people deleted something, it's because they didn't want the post to come back and bite them a while because of others seeing it after the fact, or they just regularly scrubbed the account for privacy reasons, rather than anything to do with actual karma.

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CultLeader4Hire 4 points 6 days ago

It’s both, I’ve seen plenty of posts on Reddit before I was banned about helping people not care so much about downvotes which they found devastating, which the answer btw is therapy, no one should care that much about the opinions of bots and a few strangers

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Meatwagon 9 points 6 days ago

I think a number if post deletions are to avoid the negative comments coming in since there's no way to turn off inbox interaction or notifications per post.

I know you can turn off notifications all together, but I don't want that either. I just want to mute posts where I keep getting negative replies to.

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mrgoosmoos 5 points 5 days ago

I guarantee you that there are people out there who are contributing inflammatory or subpar material because you cannot mute notifications on certain posts

I can guarantee this because that's exactly what I did when reddit went to shit. when they removed my ability to disable notifications, I just stopped checking my inbox for a couple days after saying something that I knew would get tons of responses. and I stopped being careful to avoid inflammatory comments, whether intentional or unintentional, because I just wouldn't read my inbox. so the net contribution from me was a huge negative from my previous behaviour

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Meatwagon 2 points 5 days ago

They took away the ability to hide replies to your comments?? Just last week I could do it on desktop.

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Bazoogle 1 point 5 days ago

You're using reddit??

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Meatwagon 2 points 5 days ago

Sadly Lemmy doesn't have a community for my niche dinosaur roleplay game

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Tollana1234567 3 points 5 days ago

true and old posts can suddenly get inundated with comments you dont want, like from tankies or someone making a baseless assumption and ranting off.

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burgermeister 8 points 5 days ago

What if I post a really stupid meme that I later regret

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treesapx 12 points 5 days ago

Better delete your account just to be sure. Then throw your browsing device in an active MRI.

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TheStaffmaster 4 points 5 days ago

https://media.tenor.com/...

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ChickenLadyLovesLife 1 point 5 days ago

ffffuuuuuuuu

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nullify3112 7 points 5 days ago

goes on a comment binge at 1:30am

wakes up to 20 replies in the notifications at 7:30am

what have I done??

can’t deal with other people’s judgement today

deletes all that shit

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wizardbeard 2 points 4 days ago

Or just let the replies sit unopened.

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quick_snail 7 points 5 days ago

I highly doubt that's why people delete their posts

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avittamHammer 7 points 4 days ago

I never deleted my comments on reddit, even if they got downvoted like crazy by the mob

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discocactus 5 points 4 days ago

I liked going back and posting the Hannibal Burress meme every few years.

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lordziv 4 points 4 days ago

WHY IS EVERYONE BOOING, I'M RIGHT

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MehBlah 7 points 4 days ago

They need to imagine for a second that there is no differnce between upvotes and downvotes. I make a anti commie statment in a crowd of tankies and those downvotes are validation of the truth for me. I see so many black and white hottakes online and getting downvotes for throwing a little nuance into their soured perceptions is honestly quite fun.

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ParlimentOfDoom 7 points 6 days ago

Piefed does have some bizarre attitude system. It was not well documented if it was only your own votes that factor into it, and I did not want to waste time deciphering the code to figure it out.

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laz 7 points 6 days ago

But but sometimes you get drunk and shit post on Lemmy and you should delete those

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auzy1 7 points 5 days ago

One of the admins on a previous lemmy server I was on absolutely cheesed me off (also, I donated to that server).

So, I deleted my posts to stop the server getting attention, especially a few of them were actively supporting the network

The admin was defending an absolute nutter who was admin on another server who was trying to shut down any opinions and discussions.

The rest of the admins were awesome, but after seeing that, it just felt weird to support them.

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eyelevel 7 points 4 days ago

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PhoenixDog 7 points 4 days ago

Check out this mother fucker.

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DiaDeLosMuertos 3 points 4 days ago

Something something pitchforks perhaps ?

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dream_weasel 6 points 4 days ago

The Internet points don't matter and never mattered on any platform.

Have you ever met internet people? Basically all of them are idiots; who cares what they think?

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Mpatch 3 points 4 days ago

Yes. Sometimes driving through down town, I see a specific type of person where you just know these are the fucking morons you spend time arguing online with. Completely out of touch with reality but claim to be all wise.

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BradleyUffner 6 points 6 days ago

The only time I delete I post is if I say something factually incorrect that I learn about later. I don't want to be responsible for spreading incorrect information.

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neuromorph 5 points 5 days ago

what cowards were deleting posts in reddit?

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bandanawearingbanana -1 points 5 days ago

Tons of people, especially frustrating when people would nuke their accounts and replace all their comments with random words as these were usually quite tech savvy people.

You go and look for a tech question and the top comment is some script generated mumbo jumbo.

I completely understand people not wanting to support reddit anymore but it's quite frustrating when you're just looking for answers.

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Bluescluestoothpaste 5 points 5 days ago

Na fuck reddit tho, i did that to my account reddit should shut down tomorrow the world will be a better place.

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ripcord 5 points 5 days ago

That is/was generally a protest against reddit itself. To take away the free content people had given reddit and to reduce its value.

For the same reasons a lot of people moved here.

Reddit is really to blame in that case.

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nevyn 5 points 5 days ago

If you are coming from reddit, how do you get your lemmy feed to stay as 'subscribed' instead of it always reverting back to 'all' (aka a pile of rubbish just like reddit)?

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tomkatt 15 points 5 days ago

Click save at the bottom of the page.

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nevyn 4 points 4 days ago

Thank you, no idea how I missed that, or at least missed the save button.

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waldfee 8 points 5 days ago

The Lemmy web frontend (and other frontends as well) have a setting for which feed should be your default

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Pamasich 4 points 5 days ago

Mbin does have karma however. So it's not like it doesn't exist at all on the fediverse. Your karma is 1645 for me btw, though obviously depends on the posts of yours that have been federated to my instance.

Also, this isn't entirely correct about Piefed. It does actually have a karma system, it's just based on your up-/downvote ratio, not a number that ticks up endlessly. Some instances like piefed.social also have a hidden karma system that penalizes you for what it considers bad behavior iirc.

edit: the piefed part isn't actually relevant

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silly_goose 4 points 5 days ago

Mbin does have karma however

TIL. that's quite interesting.

this isn't entirely correct about Piefed. It does actually have a karma system,

I'm talking about reddit-like karma system that is based on up/downvotes you have recieved on all your existing posts and comments. This is the kind that encourages you to delete downvoted posts to boost your karma.

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Pamasich 5 points 5 days ago

Right, I forgot the Piefed system is about votes you give out while the Reddit system is the opposite, votes you receive. I mean I did remember, but I forgot to use my critical reasoning there and notice the mismatch.

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Hueristic_Autistic 1 point 5 days ago

Well when you're down voted on reddit they attack you and make you feel some kind of an odd sense of shame because of the hive mind that if you don't show conformity to, you're the odd man out and therefore, down voted to shit and nothing you say reached anyone because your comment gets hidden after being down voted enough times that it makes you feel like what's the point of even keeping it up if no one's ever gonna see it unless they get curious enough to click it to view the comment you wrote which might even have more value to the conversation going off the central point of the main question op asked, than you could imagine and again it makes you wonder why did I fucking even if no one gives a fuck to the point where what you said gets hidden. Not removed, hidden. That hurts.

So over time reddit culture teaches people to inadvertently delete posts when they feel as though they have no value and it sticks with people. That's why people delete posts. Is the unconscious muscle memory of deleting something they don't think anyone will care about.

Maybe it's about the karma for some people but to me if what to say has no value to the people I am trying to reach then I will remove it. Period.

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birdwing 1 point 4 days ago

Does Mbin have no up- or downvotes altogether? Cool, that sounds like having a sort of forum feel.

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inclementimmigrant 4 points 5 days ago

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minorkeys 4 points 4 days ago

Sounds like some real bot ass activity. Own your down votes, you've earned them.

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MedicPigBabySaver 4 points 6 days ago

Fuck Reddit and Fuck Spez.

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Luccus 4 points 6 days ago

Wait, deleting a post removes alle comments?

Like in deleting them aswell?

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melsaskca 3 points 6 days ago

When I left reddit I just quit. I didn't clean up anything.

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Upgrayedd1776 4 points 6 days ago

you should at least replace your history with gibberish or ai poisoning, couple of open source githubs that do it, dont let them keep monetizing your contributions

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Meatwagon 2 points 6 days ago

What's a good poisoning one?

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melsaskca 1 point 5 days ago

I never really had anything important to say, just quips and such. Let them use it, those theiving bastards.

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KindnessIsPunk 3 points 6 days ago

Live by your mistakes, be honest about them how else are you supposed to get better.

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Starik 3 points 5 days ago

Some communities are banning users for getting into mundane arguments with other commenters.

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Tuxman 2 points 5 days ago

No they’re not

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Aneorthisio 3 points 6 days ago

I hope it stays this way. Karma systems inevitably create tribalistic echo chambers, where people downvote others simply because they disagree with a statement but lack any logical counterargument. It is an attempt to silence dissenting opinions, a form of behavior that is both extremely toxic and primitive.

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placebo 2 points 6 days ago

After ~12 years on reddit I still don't understand the point of karma. Okay, it's nice to have this counter, but that's it. I've never checked out how much karma someone else has.

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teft 2 points 6 days ago

Don't assume the post was deleted. Modded posts also show as deleted.

But also why would a downvoted post need to be saved? If it were a good post it'd have a positive vote count.

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idiomaddict 12 points 6 days ago

Different strokes for different folks

Edit: plus, bad posts can have valuable comments. They frequently do, if the post is bad because of an error in logic or ethics that can be thoroughly explained/corrected for the poster and any lurkers who identified with the post.

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stray 5 points 6 days ago

Yes, I frequently learn things from the replies to comments which have been removed by a moderator. I also like to look up the posts themselves to learn what was objectionable.

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Kolanaki 5 points 6 days ago

My client (Connect) separates user deletions from mod deletions by having mod deletions have a link to the modlog for that post/comment.

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DarrinBrunner 2 points 6 days ago

If it were a good post it’d have a positive vote count.

I don't always agree with the hivemind's judgment.

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mathemachristian 2 points 4 days ago

There is something like karma tracking on piefed where if it goes negative I think(?) you get a little badge next to your username warning others or something like that

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SalamiDommie 2 points 6 days ago

Aye aye capin"

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Hupf 2 points 6 days ago

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lemmydividebyzero 2 points 6 days ago

And if you come from Reddit where people can't ignore a comment with a different opinion and have to down vote it, please don't do that here. We don't need that negativity.

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whatiswrongwithyou 2 points 6 days ago

You should still delete your posts and comments.

There’s only so much server space and if it turns out you dropped a stinker you can save dozens of servers from having to hold it.

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vivalapivo 1 point 5 days ago

But lemmy has flairs and this is important. Most of the people commenting here have a "dickhead" or "based" or "always horny" flair and that tells

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ripcord 0 points 5 days ago

My comments suck 90% of the time. Did I get a flair?

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vivalapivo 1 point 5 days ago

Ok, changed it

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ripcord 0 points 5 days ago

So I guess the answer was no :(

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vivalapivo 1 point 5 days ago

It was like "shitpost king" and now it's just "self humiliation lover"

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ripcord 1 point 5 days ago

I should be kinder to myself. Maybe only 80% of the time.

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ramble81 1 point 4 days ago

Someone should create an archive with a custom fork of Lemmy that federates with instances but ignores delete requests. Should be easily doable.

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Bluescluestoothpaste 1 point 5 days ago

Okay but if you downvote someone you're basically telling them to delete it. So i guess that's other side of the coin, dont downvote unless you literally think the comment should be deleted.

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Bazoogle 8 points 5 days ago

How can you unilateral determine what the down vote means for everyone? I think most interpret it to mean either they disagree, or that they don't like what you said. Most people don't think everything they don't like should be deleted. That's called an echo chamber

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Bluescluestoothpaste 1 point 4 days ago

No im not determining anything unilaterally, just when i read about downvotes that seems to be the idea behind it. Downvote something that doesn't contribute to the discussion so it goes to the bottom of the list and fewer people see it, in other words deletion by position on the page. At least when i get downvoted a lot i usually barely remember making the comment and i just delete because it's nonsense.

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Bazoogle 1 point 4 days ago

you’re basically telling them to delete it

There is nothing to suggest this. Some people may interpret it this way, many will not. It's absurd to say why someone would be downvoting, or how the other would interpret it, when this thread alone has like 5 other examples of what a downvote means. The only thing that can be definitively stated is that downvoting will moving the comment/post further down in the default listing.

Lemmy uses a voting system to sort post listings. On the left side of each post there are up and down arrows, which let you upvote or downvote it. You can upvote posts that you like so that more users will see them, or downvote posts so that they are less likely to be seen. Each post receives a score which is the number of upvotes minus the number of downvotes.

https://join-lemmy.org/...

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Bluescluestoothpaste 1 point 4 days ago

The only thing that can be definitively stated is that downvoting will moving the comment/post further down in the default listing.

Exactly, deletion by positioning. Downvote makes it so fewer people will see it, so yes if someone gets downvoted that means someone thinks your comment isn't worth seeing.

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Naz 1 point 6 days ago

Yeah but what about the dopamine hit or loss upon societal rejection?

Even without karma (beyond good and evil), isn't there a societal sense of shame or guilt for writing something horrible?

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Noel_Skum 1 point 6 days ago

Please don’t care about up/down votes… but if anyone wants to downvote this then please do.

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teyrnon 1 point 6 days ago

I never delete anything usually, neither here nor on reddit, I want those dumb motherfuckers to see what I wrote whether their dumbasses agreed with it or no.

Sometimes I will be mean to someone being mean to me then delete it almost immediately that's about it.

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Impractical_Island 1 point 5 days ago

You can't say I'm not doing my damnedest to provide edutainment on Lemmy while incriminating myself left and right.

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Mearcfara 0 points 5 days ago

This is one of my (many) issues with reddit. The underlaying structure causes some users to modulate their behavior in order to stay in social good graces. At least a few years ago, some subs would ban you for being a member of a sub they didn't like, or if you didn't have enough karma, or whatever. Considering that karma is determined by the community, agreeing with the average opinion is incentivized and the converse is the same. This actively discourages discourse, while encouraging circlejerking. I'm not implying that people are just going around and posting "this, 100 times this" on everything so they can max out their karma score, but I do think it's leading to an unhealthy smoothing of opinions that's gone too far into the realm of banality.

While I do think it's good to run everything we say through Socrates' triple filter because that's aligned with the higher ideal of caring for the state of the community, I don't think we should concern ourselves with the question, "will other people like me for saying this".

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zebidiah 0 points 6 days ago

who the fuck gives a shit about imaginary internet points?

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mrdown 1 point 6 days ago

You can't participate in big communities without karma or reddit

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discocactus 0 points 4 days ago

The earth is a flat circle.

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TBi 0 points 6 days ago

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krisevol 1 point 6 days ago

Is because you are molded and shaped by the community, so you don't want anything that is against it left online.

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Sir_Premiumhengst -2 points 4 days ago

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lordziv 3 points 4 days ago

I see what you did there!

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Sir_Premiumhengst 1 point 3 days ago

:)

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tomiant -4 points 5 days ago

Don't worry about it I wrote a bot to keep track of how popular you are judging by the amounts of upvotes you got.

It's what people crave, like electrolytes.

Edit: oh shit I didn't realize we're in the presence of a child. Here are your training wheels little buddy, my bad:

/s

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IPeaceInYourFace 4 points 4 days ago

You can't disrespect social proof my guy 😂 some people have their entire realities revolve around how popular they think they are.

Reality check: if you care about your upvotes that much, you need to get laid

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DiaDeLosMuertos 1 point 4 days ago

Where do I go for that please ?

Urm, where does my friend go for that please I meant to say.

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PhoenixDog 3 points 4 days ago

My DMs are open ;)

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DiaDeLosMuertos 3 points 4 days ago

Woohoooo things are looking up....

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lordziv 1 point 4 days ago

"I REQUIRE VALIDATION FROM INTERNET STRANGERS ABOUT MY OPINIONS"

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huppakee 1 point 4 days ago

Upvote for adding the trainingwheels

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fakeman_pretendname -5 points 6 days ago

Surely this is on the downvoters, though? To a lot of people, downvote means "I want this post removed from the internet", not "I don't fully agree with this post".

Aren't those deleting their own posts just saying "Oh no! I didn't realise this was so upsetting to people - I better remove it"?

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iglou 19 points 6 days ago

Not everyone downvoting wants the censure of your post or comment, no.

For instance, I downvoted this comment because I think it's a poor generalization and I'd rather have better thought out comments promoted, not because I want it censored.

How can it be on the downvoters when there is typically no justification tied to a downvote? Misinterpretation is on the poster, not on the downvoter.

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db_null 6 points 6 days ago

This. But having worked in people management before I also understand that there are infinite ways different people might interpret one thing

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lemmydividebyzero 2 points 6 days ago

For instance, I downvoted this comment because I think it's a poor generalization and I'd rather have better thought out comments promoted

You could achieve that by up voting the others that are better and not down voting anything. Causes useless negativity, which is the reason why many big platform removed it or never introduced it. At least, you gave a comment and explained your view. That's usually what I do instead of down voting.

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iglou 1 point 6 days ago

No, it is not the same thing. A downvote is disapproval, an upvote is approval, and no vote is neutral.

The only way to have the same outcome than a downvote with only upvotes is to upvote every single other comment, and that means I lose the ability to specifically approve and promote other comments that I think specifically deserve more visibility.

Seeing a downvote as negativity is an interpretation problem. All it means is that people disapprove with you, and that is okay. If you are downvoted more than upvoted, then you know your opinion is unpopular. Doesn't meant it's bad or good.

For instance, I neither downvoted nor upvoted your comment, because I consider it a valuable part of the conversation, but I still don't approve it.

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lemmydividebyzero 2 points 6 days ago

No, it is not the same thing. A downvote is disapproval, an upvote is approval, and no vote is neutral.

I find it interesting that you see my "downvote = negativity" as an interpretation problem, but that you don't see that what you just wrote is your interpretation of the buttons. At no place in any Lemmy documentation and not anywhere in any Lemmy app or web app is written what you just wrote. It's your interpration of the meaning of the buttons.

For me:

Upvote can be approval or even a something I disagree with, but is well argued or I want to see more of it
Clicking nothing means "I don't care"
Downvotes are disabled by my instance, which is good. I can't see downvotes and can't give them.
Comments allow me to disagree and share my arguments why I disaggree (as I do now).
And if something is so bad that it should be gone, there is still the possibility to report a post or comment

The only way to have the same outcome than a downvote with only upvotes is to upvote every single other comment

But why is that even necessary? Why are you even wasting your energy to click that button? If it's really bad, one can report it. If it's not worth to report, one can leave it and focus on other stuff. I seriously don't understand it. My only explanation is "doing it like that because we have always done it that way" and this is why I totally understand why most big platforms removed such a downvote feature.

If you are downvoted more than upvoted, then you know your opinion is unpopular. Doesn’t meant it’s bad or good.

Not even unpopular in general... Unpopular in a specific bubble at a specific time. But I agree. Combined with a karma system, it'd unfortunately by a toxic combination... (Reddit)

For instance, I neither downvoted nor upvoted your comment, because I consider it a valuable part of the conversation, but I still don’t approve it.

That confuses me now, because it feels like the point I'm trying to make.

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stray 3 points 6 days ago

Yes, if the overall sentiment is that people don't like what I have to say then my thought is generally that I ought not have said it. Sometimes I might think that it's others who are being close-minded or whatever, but I usually feel terrible for having caused offense, and I then wish to erase my mistake.

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fakeman_pretendname 1 point 5 days ago

I think some people don't have that sort of filter or self-moderation - they see it as their right to be offensive towards others, and would then say "they got offended", but never "I was offensive". Never their responsibility, always the other person's fault.

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ieGod 1 point 6 days ago

Even if that were true, how is it on the down voters that your self esteem is so low that fake internet points are a defining characteristic of your identity? Someone didn't like what I posted? Boo hoo.

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SocialMediaRefugee -6 points 5 days ago

Get rid of the voting system. It is a blight carried over from commercial social media.

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silly_goose 4 points 5 days ago

Then how do you find good posts?

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la508 6 points 5 days ago

Have up/down votes, just don't make the count visible.

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SocialMediaRefugee 1 point 5 days ago

And have it change the sort order instead of collapsing them

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raspberriesareyummy 1 point 5 days ago

View count & comment count might be enough. Not saying I advocate for that, just trying to think of alternatives.

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kibblebits -29 points 6 days ago

If Lemmy wants to be a community, they can stop dogpiling.

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TropicalDingdong 29 points 6 days ago

yeahh and start catgril piling

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sundray 5 points 6 days ago

We're already puppygirl piling! 🐶

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JohnnyEnzyme 14 points 6 days ago

What would be some examples of said dogpiling..?

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village604 4 points 6 days ago

.ml and hexbear are pretty well known for it.

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Tar_alcaran 14 points 6 days ago

That explains why I don't see it that much. User experience hugely improves when you block those two

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Tollana1234567 1 point 5 days ago

lemmygrad as well, but we dont see as much as the other 2.

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JohnnyEnzyme 9 points 6 days ago

Well, that would certainly match their reputation.

I don't seem to see it though across most of the FV. Other than people groaning at various hare-brained "Ask Lemmy"-type questions.

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Feathercrown 4 points 6 days ago

Still better than

"Sexxers of Sexxit, what's the sexiest sex you've ever sexed?"

Downvotes: 1

Upvotes: 10.635x10^13

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Meatwagon 1 point 6 days ago

I know what's up with hexbear, but what's up with .ml?

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kibblebits -21 points 6 days ago

Lmfao your account is old enough to know what I’m talking about.

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JohnnyEnzyme 23 points 6 days ago

Oh, did I have the exact same experiences across the FV that you did?

I guess I missed that brain feed. 😕

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kibblebits -11 points 6 days ago

In 3.9k comments, yes. I’m sure you have at some point.

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TrickDacy 3 points 6 days ago

Kibbles and bits doesn't want DOGpiling... Lol

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kibblebits 1 point 6 days ago

I find that very funny.

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The rules for posting and commenting, besides the rules defined here for lemmy.world, are as follows:

Rules (interactive)

Rule 1- All posts must begin with YSK.

All posts must begin with YSK. If you're a Mastodon user, then include YSK after @youshouldknow. This is a community to share tips and tricks that will help you improve your life.

Rule 2- Your post body text must include the reason "Why" YSK:

**In your post's text body, you must include the reason "Why" YSK: It’s helpful for readability, and informs readers about the importance of the content. **

Rule 3- Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here.

Do not seek mental, medical and professional help here. Breaking this rule will not get you or your post removed, but it will put you at risk, and possibly in danger.

Rule 4- No self promotion or upvote-farming of any kind.

That's it.

Rule 5- No baiting or sealioning or promoting an agenda.

Posts and comments which, instead of being of an innocuous nature, are specifically intended (based on reports and in the opinion of our crack moderation team) to bait users into ideological wars on charged political topics will be removed and the authors warned - or banned - depending on severity.

Rule 6- Regarding non-YSK posts.

Provided it is about the community itself, you may post non-YSK posts using the [META] tag on your post title.

Rule 7- You can't harass or disturb other members.

If you harass or discriminate against any individual member, you will be removed.

If you are a member, sympathizer or a resemblant of a movement that is known to largely hate, mock, discriminate against, and/or want to take lives of a group of people and you were provably vocal about your hate, then you will be banned on sight.

For further explanation, clarification and feedback about this rule, you may follow this link.

Rule 8- All comments should try to stay relevant to their parent content.

Rule 9- Reposts from other platforms are not allowed.

Let everyone have their own content.

Rule 10- The majority of bots aren't allowed to participate here.

Unless included in our Whitelist for Bots, your bot will not be allowed to participate in this community. To have your bot whitelisted, please contact the moderators for a short review.

Rule 11- Posts must actually be true: Disiniformation, trolling, and being misleading will not be tolerated. Repeated or egregious attempts will earn you a ban. This also applies to filing reports: **If you continually file false reports YOU WILL BE BANNED!** We can see who reports what, and shenanigans will not be tolerated. We are not here to ban people who said something you don't like.

If you file a report, include what specific rule is being violated and how.

Partnered Communities:

You can view our partnered communities list by following this link. To partner with our community and be included, you are free to message the moderators or comment on a pinned post.

Community Moderation

For inquiry on becoming a moderator of this community, you may comment on the pinned post of the time, or simply shoot a message to the current moderators.

Credits

Our icon(masterpiece) was made by @clen15!

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