I'm all for it, but what kicked it off?
Sooo... This is happening on Imgur
10 months ago by TempermentalAnomaly to c/nostupidquestions
I'm all for it, but what kicked it off?
Every time I walk past that stretch near Pike and 3rd in Seattle, right over that bit of concrete where the nazi got laid the fuck out, I punch the air. Every time.
Damn, that's where it happened?? I fucking bike right past that!!
Yeah, check the tiles, this is just right outside of one of the entrances to Westlake TC.
I fucken love that GIF
Hell yeah, awesome ๐
"I had eaten over 800mg of THC and was way too high for confrontation so I just held back with two other passersby to watch what would unfold."
This story just gets better.
That site needs to pick a font and stick with it.
Someone needs to make a monument, like that woman hitting the nazi with her purse. Maybe, until then, some graffiti to make the location to people passing by? Or maybe some other cheap temporary display.
Imgurians are an odd bunch but I'm glad they're anti Nazi.
I know it is, technically. I just never group Imgur into social media. Its always been just an image host in my mind.
When I last used Imgur about ten years ago, they communicated exclusively in gifs and meme phrases. It's a bit odd.
But, when those browsing /new on Imgur had a mini-uprising and upvoted just anything for a day, weirdest and most outlandish stuff actually made it to the front page. That was the most fun I've ever had on a social-media site.
No wonder. Some rich guy must have got very upset. Strange though, plenty of people get punched all the time, and there are plenty more GIFs people getting punched. Banning specifically the Nazi guy getting punched isn't good PR I think...
@tanisnikana@lemmy.world was so kind to link the video for us who don't know.
It just amazes me how to doing the Nazi salute, uniforms and speechโs are entirely okay now. However, being against it gets you banned.
The world has gone a full circle and we are back to the days were fascism, hatred and all that is okay. Unfortunately.
You mean Charlie Kirk getting shot in the neck?
a lot of people, regardless of what they think of charlie kirk, got traumatized because it is very graphic. i think some people encouraged playing tetris as a way to get your mind off that video. is it insensitive to tell people to play tetris after watching that graphic video?
Sure, but zoom out. I think the vast majority of people watched it over-and-over in sheer glee.
And later slept much better, knowing that a horrible person spreading hate was no longer
Yeah and the community does not understand what it means to protect your audience from certain content. Violence is violence. At this point it does not matter who is who. But the community just had too much lead in the water and is unable to form their own thoughts, thus just follow the other sheep.
Someone I know cosplays as a Nazi. He doesn't walk around the streets wraring an armband. He goes in full military gear, riding around on an original WWII german bike with sidecar at WWII historic events. You know, like a cosplayer.
Correction in regards to 2: When you're in the "are we the baddies"-sketch it's OK. In fact, I'd say David Mitchell has a free pass, as he always manages to portray the insecurity required to become a nazi.
Mr Chaplain also does a great job with it
Also, in the one scenario where I would find dressing up as a nazi acceptable, which is if they're an actor for a movie/show/play that requires nazi characters, they are not going to just put an armband on their everyday modern clothing.
They'll wear a proper reconstruction of an actual nazi uniform, and they're not going to just walk around in that costume, they're going to be on or around a set, which also gives any possible passerbys the context clues needed to understand that they're just an actor, thus saving themselves from being punched.
Unless you're cosplaying a dead Nazi
Fun fact I have a swedish tankers trench coat from 1940 and a Swiss helmet from 1942 when I wear them together it basically looks like legally distinct werhmacht. I can pull the samething with an American armor school long coat and a Yugoslav helmet for the Soviet equivalent.
It's technically not Nazi apparel. It annoys my friends though.
Kinda weird dude...
I think it more reminds me how easily influenced we can be. "Go find out" is great, but its not possible to research everything you see. Even if I did I'd only find other people talking about the video and would have no real way of discerning who actually knows what theyre talking about and who's just making credible sounding shit up.
Do you guys not feel that worry somewhere in your mind when you see things like this?
I mean, it's not like me enjoying the video is going to affect the guy who got punched. I think it's good that as a society we support videos that appear to show Nazi cosplayers being punched and don't give them the benefit of the doubt. If I were actually there IRL and able to affect the outcome, I would also be able to ask for the necessary information to determine what to do.
So we're not allowed to make movies that show the horrific history of Nazi Germany?
The number of people willing to provide cover, and give the benefit of the doubt to people dressing as, and behaving like literal Nazis is too damn high. I'm seeing it everywhere on here lately.
"I don't know anything about the thing you guys are talking about, but what if he was dressed like that because he's an actor in a movie?"
Really?
You're allowed, but surely you'd be aware enough not to walk in your costume outside the set. The same goes for theatre or anything. An actor who thinks it's a good idea to walk outside in a nazi costume has it coming, and that's a good thing.
Or a movie prop. Or a weird stag night. Or a mentally ill person unaware of the severity of the joke. Or theres a gunman behind the camera making him put the armband on. Or digitally altered before release. Or the list goes on.
What you think you see "Nazi scum punished"
What you actually saw "man gets punched"
Im lowkey shook fr how easily #2 becomes #1. Again, I'd like to point out I'm all for nazis getting fucked up.
If it is a movie prop than the person stays on the lot. There is no stag night justification, mental illness ok..
But you are reaching.
There are certain things you never choose to do. Pretending to be be a Nazi is one of them.
Fuck off, Nazi sympathiser. You're literally inventing reasons to justify proudly wearing the symbol of hate and genocide.
The sources for this video indicate the person wearing the armband:
For at least an hour at any point leading up to this, the person wearing the armband could have taken it off and stopped interacting with others. To my knowledge, the person who was punched has never spoken to media to explain why they were dressed as such, despite the massive internet fame of the video.
Do you still feel uncomfortable? Do you know in your bones if the person deserved it?
In this specific case im happy enough thanks for that. Thats actually cheered me up a little.
I'm not sure if I'll ever truly get there, think I'll be a little more comfortable joining the mob without context next time. This is the most consistent engagement I've ever had on this site and I think ive learned a thing or two here.
Well, donโt join the mob blindly. Do your own research. The above information was gathered from one internet search using the available context clues from this post.
It did not take very long and was easy.
Consider:
Someone is getting knocked the F out on camera.
There is a crowd of people
No one is stopping or diffusing the situation
No one is stopping over the check on the fallen
Then calculate it appears to be a guy wearing a nazi arm band
then consider that it would be the shittiest idea for a halloween costume south of blackface and even wearing nazi garb would likely get you a rightful ass-kicking.
There's no math there that makes that even slightly questionable.
Bait used to be believable SMH my head...
Yeah, his hand coming up in a way that could be "this isn't what you think" doesn't help. The description makes the situation sound very different though and there's not much of an excuse for the armband right now. But yeah, not a fan of the gif now I've seen it
this is clipped. in a longer version he's talking shit a second before he says "wait hold on now"
Oh yeah, I can get behind this gif a lot more
It's a really old video, from like 8 years ago I think. But a timeless classic.
He did not visualize that coming.
Ha. Nice subversion.
Whenever I have a knee-jerk response and it seems too played out, I think of a way to subvert it instead.
He tried a jedi force trick to stop the punch. And failed.
if this were a socialist country, whoever got punched would've been in jail, and the person doing the punching would probably serve in the red army, working to protect the proletariat. seriously!
It is always okay to punch Nazis. You don't need a reason. (serious answer though: I have no idea what kicked it off, my comment still stands though, it's always okay to punch Nazis.)
Nazis and other supremists are the reason intolerance needs to exist.
The social contract of tolerance doesn't extend to those who are intolerant. They are outside the protection of Tolerant Society's protection, and the Tolerant are free (and, in fact, strongly encouraged) not to tolerate them, because they aren't covered.
This guy obviously didn't get that memo
I really love that story. He is a better person than me. I really wish I still had hope for my fellow man like he does, but trump's second election fucking broke me. People who I used to think were smart and empathetic were jumping on the "fuck your feelings" bandwagon.
I've lost hope. I've lost love. I only have anger anymore.
I don't know that he didn't get it. He just hadn't a different method of fighting back. Not everyone is going to be able to go around knocking them out. The vast majority of people won't in fact. There are still other tools they can use to stop the spread, or, in rare cases, reverse it. You have to be careful to not legitimize it though if you're doing something like that.
I'd argue he isn't tolerating white supremacy, he's found a good way to counteract it. If he tolerated it he wouldn't do anything.
Reminds me of this old story:

Definitely one of my favorites, and illustrates the point effectively.
Do the Nazis ever claim they are intolerant of minorities because the minorities were intolerant to them?
Group A: "I am intolerant of (group) because they need to go back to their own country and not live in mine."
Group B: "I am intolerant of (group) because they don't tolerate other ethnicities."
This guy: "but who was intolerant first?"
They are becoming so by way of people not doing anything about it, and literally voting them into power.
Earlier this week a user posted "kill Nazis" and got a warning from Imgur saying that imgur is an inclusive platform, welcome to everyone. (which apparently includes Nazis?)
That's what kicked this off (again).
There was already some upset feelings in the community because at the beginning of the week one of the "Elbow Deep In A" accounts got suspended over a "Gone Mild" drawing of a goblin girl. So it didn't take much for the community to be really upset with "business daddy"
The only reason any of these people have power is because we, as a society, continue to use their shit... Get the fuck off Twitter, get the fuck off Reddit, get the fuck off Facebook. Make those companies worthless by not using them it's literally so easy. I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir here but God damn it's literally so easy, just read a book. Touch some grass. We weren't ready for the internet and it's time to turn it off.
I'm really waiting for this idea to catch on. I got online in the late 80s to get away from normies and their boring, repetitive normie mind-viruses. Back then it was just nerds talking to other nerds. Nowadays you can't even talk to your friends here. This whole thing is for people to get angry about politics and buy products. The sooner all these people leave, the sooner we can get back to what originally brought us here.
Hopefully soon, going on social media will be seen as a bad antisocial habit like smoking.
Imagibe trying to police other peopleโs language in 2025
I can't imagine having trouble understanding that word but let me know if you actually need clarification.
Idiots weren't ready for the internet.
If people would get out of walled garden bot ridden bullshit, the internet could be great.
What non nerds use today is not internet. I like to call it Corpo-Net. Because these people never venture outside their billionaire facist websites.
Im not sure having laws policing the internet is a good idea. Educating the populous and defunding propaganda advertising would be a better move.
Also I do agree with bizzle, people need to just turn it off more often (Go see Running Man if you haven't. Exact parallels to our current state. )
Get the fuck off Twitter, get the fuck off Reddit, get the fuck off Facebook.
I mean, way ahead of you. But we're just jerking each other off if we think saying this downthread of a Lemmy post is changing anyone's mind. This is the most Preaching To The Choir ass post you can make outside of an actual church.
We werenโt ready for the internet and itโs time to turn it off.
eye-roll
Listen, if you want to walk around downtown with a big sandwich board that says "Log The Fuck Off And Touch Grass", I'll cheer for you when I see you. But there's a reason people flock to an easily accessible portal for social engagement. And its naive to keep shouting "Log the fuck off!" from within the medium you can't seem to quit yourself.
I mean they got to power using those things so I'm not sure just handing over that sphere of influence is the best strategy.
We weren't ready for the internet and it's time to turn it off.
Did you write all that on the internet? Or did you scrawl it in ballpoint pen in the back of a book you're reading?
"Society could improve somewhat" meme...
Imgur has pissed me off long enough that I decided to roll my own this summer. When all I need is a place to store stuff for easy linking, building a web frontend is pretty trivial.
Plus I'm not limited to whatever file type and size imgur decides.
And guess what, my site condones punching Nazis:
Dang I actually remember the announcement post of Imgur on Reddit.
Because I'm too old and crusty to use docker. Also, yet another hobby project because, apparently, I have too few unfinished ones.
EDIT: Plus I want the ability to selectively publish via bittorrent as well. Forgot that part.
copyparty is extremely simple to run, no need for docker. just a single python file
Punching nazi's is always the correct, right, and moral choice and action.
I was not prepared for that dopamine. Thank you good cryptid
dreifir.com
...but signup isn't possible yet (no, I will not allow anonymous uploads).
It looks like shit, but it works. DM me if you're interested in testing it, and I'll set up a login for you.
So I infrequently use Imgur and basically a user got banned for saying 'kill all nazis' and another user's post got taken down that had anti-nazi rhetoric. This is the most recent of a few scenarios where the mods have been seen as incompetent or overall shitty and so the community revolts. Honestly kinda dig it, at least they can coordinate and show a unified front....granted it's slacktivism to a point but it gets people's attention? Idk how I feel about it honestly.
People talk of Imgur being a leftist echo chamber. I have had more than enough neoliberal types on there argue about the benefits of capitalism to me or that we shouldn't have worker solidarity. I feel when these events happen, it's part legitimately pissed of users but a lot of people just riding the up vote wagon.
It still surprises me that people use Imgur as a social media site. Imgur to me is a place that hosts image to be used on other social media sites. Using imgur as a social media site is like using a url shortener as a social media site. What's next, Captcha becomes a social media hangout?
Imgur has been pretty shit at hosting images for other sites for about a decade because it's trying very hard to keep people captive on its site. They added ways to prevent hotlinking and if I paste an imgur link in a chat, starting with i., supposedly a direct link to the image, the preview will not work and the page the link sends to will always open their whole site around that image. They really really want people to stay on there, and interact, or watch ads. AFAIK they have made that change about a decade ago as they wanted to monetize.
I'm so old I remember the first post. Hey you can host images for reddit here. The other image hosting sites at the time sucked, they were slow, purged content frequently, and were full of ads. I signed up immediately and imgur was good for almost 10 years and nearly the only place images from reddit reddit users were hosted. I think the pressure to monetize combined with reddit's own image hosting push sent them into the enshitification death spiral.
I never signed up, mainly because there was never any need to sign up. You could just go there, paste an image, and get a link to it.
Why would you sign up? It would be like signing up to use a URL shortener.
If you save the images to your account, you can repost them when the thread calls for it.
eg I have a photo of my foot when I broke it off at the ankle. It comes up occasionally and the link is still usable years later. You also have more control over visibility (and posting to Imgur users etc, ie don't).
For throwaway memes you'll never want to share again, treating it like a url shortener is great.
I was also looking to support good non advertising startups at the time, the 2000s we were still excited about what an open web would become, before enshitification became the norm.
My neighbor uses Imgur as his main social media. I take that with a grain of salt though since he's a millenial who only used flip phones til 2022, there are dozens like him, dozens!
I used it that way for years. It's better for memes than fediverse or Reddit, except for two things: 1 occasionally the user base freaks the fuck out and starts spamming the same thing, like this. I don't like Nazis, but that also means I don't want literally everything on my funny picture site to be about keeping them out. 2 increasingly all the popular stuff isn't memes at all, but shitting on trump and musk. See point 1.
Then they blocked the UK because they didn't want to put an age field on their registration form (note this is not to do with age verification)
1 occasionally the user base freaks the fuck out and starts spamming the same thing, like this. I donโt like Nazis, but that also means I donโt want literally everything on my funny picture site to be about keeping them out. 2 increasingly all the popular stuff isnโt memes at all, but shitting on trump and musk.
Doesnt sound all that different from here especially on #1, case in point beans, jeans and more recently corn for some reason
1 occasionally the user base freaks the fuck out and starts spamming the same thing, like this. I donโt like Nazis, but that also means I donโt want literally everything on my funny picture site to be about keeping them out
Browse under certain tags. It wont be 100% gone but its better. I recommend starting with viewing the "Caturday" Tag.
Hosting is half of it, but the user-submitted section is a thriving social ecosystem. It's a lot like reddit or Lemmy, but all submissions are image-based only with sizable comment sections attached like anywhere else. I was very involved there 12 years back and enjoyed it quite a lot. I tried really hard to earn my green (highest karma) badge, but I believe I got second or third highest before running out of steam. You had a profile full of badges and stuff, and users actually valued karma there, unlike on reddit or Lemmy.
But the mood changed other time and it became a hub for bullshit, sob stories and very tired, very played-out jokes. Then the eventual UI changes drove the nail in the coffin and I found it unusable.
The amount of people making excuses for Nazis in this thread, is disgusting. Get fucked Nazi sympathizers. ๐
Idk, man, but its a statement that gets you upvotes.
Great thread for adding to your blocklist.
Oh, I didn't mean it ironically at all.
Remove the "ympathizers" and the space before
Nazi sympathizers are Nazis
To be fair, they do make a good drinks (jagermeister)
Yes, this one right here, Democracy Officer.
Excuse me, I am not a nazi! I'm just holding this uniform for a friend.
Just because I have a Nazi tattoo and go to Nazi rallies and think ALL Jews and Minorities should die DOESNT make Me a NAZI! In FACT it makes YOU a Nazi!
-Republicans!
"what kicked it off?" gestures broadly at everything
I'd say it all started in the late 1960s with Nixon's implementation of the southern strategy. What we're seeing today is the resultant avalanche of American fascism, appropriately composed of fragile white snowflakes.
For LGBT+ and PoC it's been a violent, fascist state against them for a long time. Just now it's affecting the white people to a point they're uncomfortable with but make no mistake, they'll just let it happen again in a few more years.
Well it started with a genocidal colonial project. Then it started with the repression of class revolts like Bacon's Rebellion. Then it started with the framing of a union of states that gave extra representation to rural slave-owners because their economic production was important. But it all started when those rural slave-owners wanted to make sure that new territorial expansions (remember, genocidal colonial project) also allowed slavery. Later it started when Lincoln was assassinated and his successor, Andrew Johnson, gave up on Reconstruction so the seditious slave-owning traitors weren't held accountable for the sedition or slavery and were allowed back into seats of political power.
A lot of reddit users, especially those who have recently been permabanned due to the great censorship purge, are just hanging out there now. Not much censorship.
It's super antifa. I scroll there a lot when I'm in a meme mood.
I'd say it started going hard political around the same time as everything else. February 2025.
Yep I split my time between Lemmy and Imgur to fill the void after leaving reddit, cause Lemmy alone unfortunately isn't enough to show you everything there was to see on reddit.
That said, be warned that it's corporate owners have no problems with collecting as much data as they can off your phone and selling it to anyone who's buying. Just look at this shit:

So if you do decide to go there, do yourself a favor and wear a condom. Install DuckDuckGo and enable "app tracking protection", and get a DNS-level adblocker on your phone as well. AdGuard or NextDNS are both fine choices.
I just gave up imgur myself for voicing an opinion of civil disobedience and then told why don't I go there myself with a gun and start shooting. Nuance seems to be dead everywhere.
+1 for AdGuard DNS. Using apps without it is a damn nightmare. Almost thought my phone had some kind of virus the other day when I temporarily turned it off and then opened mapquest
There is a reason imgur enshitified the mobile web version of their website.
Wait how do you use imgur besides posting images
Nah man, you gotta join the basement dwellers in usersub
kind of wish we would stop letting them have Nordic runes.
Wait, how is "not equal to" a Nazi symbol?
I thought it had more to do with the fact that there isn't a โ key on most people's keyboards.
My editor's font/ligeratue changes the != To that symbol when programming. Unfortunately I have to use visual basic usually and type out Not most of the tiime but works well with C#.
Probably not a big increase in readability but I like it. Damn hate all the words needed in VB.net but oh well, could not be programming for work which would be worse and least still know .net libraries.
Well, that's because they removed it after WW2. The original IBM keyboard had this, and other Nazi symbolism. (IBM collaborated with the Nazis, if you weren't aware)
Another fun fact: the Windows logo today is where the swastika used to be. If you look closely, you can see how the swastika's influence on Microsoft's iconic logo persists to this very day
No it's because you can't type the not equal symbol very easily. If you type it it won't work because most compilers aren't expecting it.
But you know your fact is nicer than the boring reality
This is not one thing you learned today come on dude just think about it for two seconds. Could there possibly by another, much more likely reason that a programming language wouldn't use โ ? Here's a hint- if you're at a computer, look down at your keyboard.
No, it's false. It's actually because a key doesn't exist for โโ โ making โ!=โ easier to type. Exclamation mark is used because in computer science it means "not".
You know what? I don't care what kicked it off. I don't care if it's a billionaire paying for bots. I'm just glad that the kind of people that get programmed by social media to vote for horrible shit might finally get programmed to do some good for a change.
Not a chance.
I don't know, but I'm gonna take a wild guess and say some Nazis pissed some people off... As they do.
Also arenโt the tattoos on the Secretary of War ^TM^ neo-nazi?
Yes
One of the reasons I left, they were banning accounts that posted the nazi asshat getting punched. It was also broadly pro Ukraine, and apparently Ukraine was geolocked from imgur, but not russia

PS. I couldn't find a cleaner, high res. version and pictoline.com (listed there at the source) only has it in spanish. To make things even worse, there are many edited versions that replace nazis with other ideologies :/ f* the volatility of the internet... Oh. gotta search the internet archive... yeah, nope... not there either. Anyone can find a better version or knows the original source to this? else shall we try upscaling this JPG?
Stop using the fucking service! I'm so sick of people complaining about all of these tech companies, but they continue to use it. People need to realize they have an addiction issue and treat that shit.
They might be using the wrong swastika but I get the sentiment
Explain please. All the ones I see in the image are shaped like four adjoined letter L's which is the same way around that the Nazis used. Or are you referring to the fact that most of them aren't stood on a corner, diamond-wise?

I totally forgot it's also mirrored. Thanks for pulling it up
Yes and no. The one the Nazis used was / is also a symbol used in Asia. (And really, everywhere. It's a fairly basic pattern.) The Nazis used it because of their obsession with Aryans. Sometimes it's at an angle, sometimes it's not.
Generally in the west, unless it's on a statue of budda, any swastika-ish symbol since the ~1930s is going to be a reference to Nazis though.
I reckon it's the latter, I noticed it too. Nazis are the only ones who use it tilted like that, as far as I know.
Let's be real here, they're the only ones that use it at all anymore.
You know, the subcontinent has around a billion people on it? Who see it scattered all around, for thousands of years.
Every Hindu and many Buddhists disagree. Way to just ignore almost a billion people dude. The world isn't just the west.
see it's interesting to me because I thought it was the way it looks like it should spin that matters, with the Buddhist one looking like it should spin clockwise and the Nazi one looking like it should spin counter clockwise. Is it the 45 degree tilt that makes the big difference?
It's the direction the legs go. Nazis mirrored the eastern one and then tilted it 45ยฐ.
Its used both ๅ or ๅ ways in different non-nazi examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika
Plenty of modern nazis don't know how to draw it though, so you can never be sure...

antifa made those to make us look stupid!
/s
This is glorious. Fucking idiots
I don't really notice that many people using it tbh, they blocked the UK rather than comply with child data protection laws and its not that often I see failed to load imgur pictures. It happens, but the vast majority of images are fine.
The top right picture needs "HH" added to it. It's what people use on license plates. Used to be banned in Germany, but I saw one yesterday so I think My Little Nazi has unbanned it.
Nope. I mean, yes, it is, but the one I saw yesterday had a Freiburg code (FR) and then HH.
Especially funny because hamburg is a pretty leftist city
Already taken by Hansestadt Bremen
The local codes are FR, MรผL and Lรถ. This guy's licence plate was FR HH and then the number.
I'd assumed y'all would be smart enough to figure out I didn't mean the first two letters but I suppose I was wrong.
You realize you are the reason that the "r" word is back right? Remember when your ilk thought the "ok" symbol was a Nazi symbol? Please just get it over with and become neighbors with Tarantino permanently.
Wild. I saw a car here in California just the other day with an odd looking plate on some old dude's hotrod that had a little "HH" off to one side that, here, just means it's a historical vehicle used in classic car shows.
Let's call a spade a spade. It's Nazism.
We need to take back the Thorn. Too many things are written as Ye in fake middle English (or fake early modern) which should be written with the thorn!
yes
Meet the people who decide if you are a nazi: https://youtu.be/LXcHL2K-RSg
I don't get it. They clearly have a left leaning base. Why throw that away?
hey i'm thinking about studying on marxism-leninism (and variations therein). is there any way i can study in layman's terms without losing focus quickly, and is there also any way i can encourage myself to study on ml?
???
a company has no moral guiding principals outside of monetary gain. its board of directors members may have their own individual viewpoints, but as a collective, a corporation is representative only of the shareholder's shared interest in making some money. if they wanted anything else, they would collectivize into another form.
generally speaking the best, i mean the best, you can expect from a BoD member is liberalism and all that entails. from a liberal perspective, pacifism is a virtue to be signaled, not an overall approach to the world with a goal of bringing about a just and fair society. liberals preaching non-violence don't really care if someone is preaching violence so long as they don't practice violence and the results of the preaching of violence remain unseen.
that's how you wind up with liberals saying that the founder of turning point usa did things the right way and denouncing someone doing exactly the things he said were good to do, but moreover, denouncing people who have trained in violence accessing that violence in self defense. in the fight between fascism and anything other than fascism, violence must be used to denounce fascism because it is the only language fascists speak. you can use non-violence to interact with other political positions. those are positions who do not practice solely violence. but fascism believes access to violence grants license to use that violence. you can only counter this belief by rendering it scared to show itself in public
dead Nazis are good Nazis
I wouldn't call this propaganda. Propaganda is done deliberately and this seems to be a popular sentiment. Even if it's a quirk of the algorithm (which I'm not sure these could be posted chronologically, imgur sometimes does that iirc) it's still not deliberate.
Why'd you start your comment with "heh" and end your comment with "sunshine"? Seemed creepy and condescending, and makes it seem like you feel that the backlash against Trump and White supremacy is just propaganda and not how people actually feel.
Personally, I view it as propaganda still, but I don't view propaganda as bad inherently.
Propaganda to me is just an organized effort to persuade a larger audience of people politically. Its only bad if the aims are harmful unjustly.
So people organizing a take over to reiterate "No fucking Nazis!" Is a propaganda campaign, but its based.
Sam_Bassโs comments are mainly mildly contemptuous one-liners. Condescending is part of the persona, and when others interpret that manner as right wing, it seems to affirm samโs misanthropy.
The spam bots are out in full force. I have seen this spam everywhere I browse, in so many flavours and forms it's exhausting
At this point I don't even know what a Nazi is anymore.
Well, if they wear the flag, display the Swastika, do the salute or go on about white supremacy, that's a pretty solid hint.
A Nazi is (originally) a particular brand of fascism, but much like champagne, it has become a generic term for the whole family of ideologies. The "ur-fascist" definition by Umberto Eco, who was witness to the fascist regime of Mussolini, highlights a few key traits if fascist ideology like a cult of tradition, emphasis on machismo and action over thought, obedience over independence, contempt for pacifism and weakness and populism that leverages frustrations, conspiracy theories and fears to rally its followers against some perceived enemy.
Not every trait is fascist on its own, but neither does some movement need to tick all boxes to be fascist. There's sure to be some grey area, but if you have people rushing to inflict violence on anyone looking differently, spurred on by a guy promising to restore some ambiguous past glory by blaming the economic and social troubles on foreigners and beating the war drums... yeah, well, eventually the indicators start piling up.
By that definition, the US is fascist. Which it is.
You'll get no argument from me ;-)
Turns out people on the "left" can be just as easily manipulated as those on the right. Surely its our own communities stoking violence between americans. Noone from outside the country could possibly want that for us, could they?
Why's it so easy to spot right wing propaganda but not left wing propaganda?
Because right-wing propaganda is "become Nazis, the left are all sub-humans" and the left wing propaganda is "what the fuck, the right are all Nazis!?"
It's hard to spot propaganda when it's just the truth spoken loudly.
Its the same message flipped. Its just as bigoted and divisive. And its not coming from americans either, this is other countries citizens attempting to tear america apart so it stops being a blight on the world. Hard to blame them, but we shouldnt be so naive.
The same folks sending "the left are subhuman!" to the right aren't also sending "the right are Nazis!" to the left. That would be a duplicate signal and inefficient.
Instead, they're sending "both sides suck" to the middle.
I'm pointing out that non-americans like to point the right at the left calling them violent antifa, while they do the same with the left by calling those on the right Nazis. Then Americans think the posters are also american and get angry at americans for it.
Its simple manipulation, cause my enemies to fight amongst themselves.
Antifa is anti-fascism. It's illegal in the US. Yes, really. An executive order by Trump labels "Antifa" as a terrorist organisation despite it not being an organization, but a name for anti-fascism. Official announcement: https://www.whitehouse.gov/...
Left wing propaganda is.... Being explicitly anti Nazi? Bro, I think you might be a Nazi if this offends you.
What would you prefer for your new user tag, Offended by Anti-Nazi Memes or Swastika Fan?
Too late, it's the first one.
Being anti-Nazi isn't propaganda any more than being anti-genocide is propaganda. Being anti-Nazi and anti-genocide means you're a normal and reasonable person. I'll happily rebel against systems which are corrupt.
Promoting the labeling of large groups of people you have never met as Nazis, and then promoting violence against them, is a fantastic example of propaganda designed to create conflict and distrust amongst a community.
Shouldnt be so hard to see, I'm not sure why lemmy users are so susceptible to this type of manipulation.
I don't have to meet a Nazi to know they're a Nazi. Just as I don't need to personally meet a cobra to know that what I'm looking at is a venomous snake belonging to the genus Naja.
fantastic example of propaganda designed to create conflict and distrust amongst a community
You just described Nazi ideology
Would you have tried to feed this kind of hogcock to the victims of the holocaust as it was happening? Was everyone hating Nazis when they called themselves Nazis just a victim of leftists propaganda?
How many bites do you take of a shit sandwich before you know what youโre eating?
Sounds like the propaganda has been effective with you. I literally see no difference between you and a racist maga supporter. Both are simple, impulsive, and violent. None of those things are what make a good american.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jackson_Hinkle
oh and this is my 320th comment here on this lemmy instance. seriously!
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