If you had to replace the floppy disk save symbol in software with a new symbol for saving what would you choose and why?

8 months ago by supersquirrel to c/asklemmy

DarrinBrunner 175 points 8 months ago

An arrow pointing into a folder, similar to this. Sidesteps the tech issue altogether.

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jacksilver 93 points 8 months ago

I mean, you're just replacing one archaic symbol with another.

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otp 38 points 8 months ago

I still use folders to organize paper documents. Taxes and medical stuff mostly.

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TheBat 14 points 8 months ago
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Onomatopoeia 11 points 8 months ago

Which predate computers and floppy disks

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happydoors 9 points 8 months ago

I agree. I heard recently a lot of kids under 20 grew up in an iPhone, iPad, and chrome world and never learned “folder” or directory concepts so it’s a tough transition in the work world. Paper organizers are not nearly as ubiquitous as they once were.

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olafurp 6 points 8 months ago

It connects it to another computer symbol, the folder which is seen plenty of times as the thing containing files. It's a solid solution.

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GlendatheGayWitch 5 points 8 months ago

Isn't that used as an icon for moving a file from one folder to another?

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http404 1 point 8 months ago

i think in that case your should first click on a "folder with arrow going out" (move out) icon before given this one to move into another directory. so the context is clear.

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SlurpingPus 1 point 8 months ago

Yeah, if an open folder icon means ‘open a file’, then this inversion means saving the file.

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WanderingThoughts 7 points 8 months ago

That's a good one for local storage.

Some software uses that arrow with a cloud to say it's saved into the cloud.

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blarth 4 points 8 months ago

We should do away with directories. Just one big block of files.

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bluesheep 34 points 8 months ago

Screw multiple files, just use one big one. Just append anything you want to add and you'll have everything in 1 spot

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rbos 24 points 8 months ago

Makes sense. Then you can add some kind of index to the file so you can jump to the parts you want. Just track a list of chunks, so they don't have to be contiguous.

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DasFaultier 26 points 8 months ago

Yeah, and we could give that huge file some kind of internal and logical structure to find those chunks, maybe something hierarchical with human readable names!

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justaman123 6 points 8 months ago

Easy to find saves time

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SlurpingPus 2 points 8 months ago

PalmOS actually did that. Programs had records saved in a central database, not files.

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uncouple9831 4 points 8 months ago
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untorquer 1 point 8 months ago

Yes look everything up by keyword describing its contents to AI agent.

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Kaput 4 points 8 months ago

Yea replace the 90s tech icon for the filing cabinet paper folder , from who knows when. It's actually a good suggestions this technology still hasn't disappeared. But it will soon, as foretold by the paperless office prophecies. So I think a half buried treasure chest icon would be better as a forever lasting icon.

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untorquer 1 point 8 months ago

Is there an icon that expresses the default cloud save location as well as the circuitous GUI you need to navigate yo select your desired location on local storage?

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theneverfox 118 points 8 months ago

I reject the question. That's not a picture of a floppy disc, that is the glyph that means save

You literally called it the save symbol. And that's what it is...100 years from now, if we're still around and still have computers, the save icon will still be some stylized glyph based on the floppy disc

The existence of the floppy disc is already just a bit of trivia about the save icon

It's like asking what we should change the Bluetooth symbol to? Why do you yearn for the world to burn?

An icon can be any random glyph, but it has to stay recognizable and consistent in meaning, that's the entire concept here

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Dasus 17 points 8 months ago

By OP's logic, this

#A

is a drawing of an ox head.

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upandatom 5 points 8 months ago

Hope you are right.

But really the Save icon will become: ✨

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TonyTonyChopper 7 points 8 months ago

thats's the Google AI icon

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EarthshipTechIntern01 3 points 8 months ago

"All your base (data) are belong to us" -Google AI

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antrosapien 2 points 8 months ago

Why you want to save file if you can just feed if you ai and let it hallucinate if you want to read it

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theneverfox 3 points 8 months ago

... Why is the generative llm glyph here? nervous

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shalafi 4 points 8 months ago

What till people find out what "dashboard" originally meant.

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youngalfred 107 points 8 months ago

You can't just jump to the future, so use this one for the next decade:

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Skullgrid 19 points 8 months ago

... but platter drives are old hat, SSDs are the new hotness?

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halcyoncmdr 45 points 8 months ago

Can't skip a generation, gotta go from the floppy disk icon to the HDD icon for a while first.

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SlurpingPus 1 point 8 months ago

Forgot about Zip drives.

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halcyoncmdr 1 point 8 months ago

Meh, just a hard floppy. Although I really did appreciate my Zip 100 drive for that storage space before writable CDs came along.

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TootSweet 24 points 8 months ago

That's the joke.

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Blue_Morpho 5 points 8 months ago

But hard drives came first.

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Psythik 3 points 8 months ago

Well it's not a very good one.

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titter 1 point 8 months ago

Isnt this just a hdd platter?

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titter 1 point 8 months ago

Oh wait im dumb its a 75 record

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Blue_Morpho 11 points 8 months ago

Hard drives pre-dated floppy discs by 15 years.

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KokusnussRitter 2 points 8 months ago

I bow to thy argumentation. This be-eth the way

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anomnom 79 points 8 months ago

SD card. Half us old timers won’t even realize it’s not a floppy disk.

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JustEnoughDucks 11 points 8 months ago

Yet 90% of young people won't know what it is because digital cameras have been replaced by phones and phones no longer have microSD lol

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anomnom 4 points 8 months ago

Gotta give the next gen something to complain about.

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JustEnoughDucks 1 point 8 months ago

In the dystopia of outer-worlds-esque orwellien-surveillance corporate feudalism it looks like they will have to endure, I think we can afford to lighten up on them 😂

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WhiteOakBayou 3 points 8 months ago

Digital cameras are in style again. I've seen screenless ones for sale at several places these past few weeks.

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bss03 4 points 8 months ago

I would also accept any other recognizable, removable media. Even a generic USB stick would be more relevant than a floppy disk.

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expatriado 61 points 8 months ago

every letter in the alphabet started as a symbol of something 2500-6000 years ago, "A" for instance is an upside-down Ox head. people in future generations will continue using the floppy symbol, cuz they learned that means saving, despite floppies not being relevant to their lives

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Nemo 55 points 8 months ago

A crucifix...

...because Jesus saves.

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qfe0 5 points 8 months ago

And takes half damage

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Hadriscus 2 points 8 months ago

When jesus saaaay "yes", nobody can't say "you don't have the permissions to write on this volume" �_

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l_isqof 1 point 8 months ago

And saves you from swearing...

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Onomatopoeia 1 point 8 months ago

Early, and often.

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leadore 45 points 8 months ago

I think we should just keep the floppy disk symbol at this point, because it doesn't matter what it was originally based on or whether that exists any more--everyone knows what that symbol means, and it can't really be confused with anything else.

There's no point making an icon that looks like any other particular kind of storage device since those are changing all the time. So we either have to pick some real world thing like a safe or warehouse or grain silo or whatever. or invent some completely new symbol that's not related to anything and then everyone would have to learn it. Which takes us back to just keeping the floppy disk symbol.

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AlligatorBlizzard 2 points 8 months ago

grain silo

This is a hilariously awkward suggestion. At the scale of the average save icon, what do you think a grain silo symbol would look like?

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http404 12 points 8 months ago

like this?

drawing a grain silo doesn't mean you have to draw the grains.

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supersquirrel 2 points 8 months ago

Honestly probably the most universally recognizable save symbol in the end, certainly if I had to go back in time and establish contact with an ancient people and teach them Intuit Quickbooks or other tax accounting software to run a cutthroat tax accounting operation using timetravel to access low cost labor that would be the icon I would choose for saving.

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Reverendender 44 points 8 months ago

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otp 21 points 8 months ago

This makes me think "new file"

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Someonelol 8 points 8 months ago

Timeless. Ubiquitous. Mandatory for all of K-12 and often beyond. Perfect.

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Lemminary 4 points 8 months ago

This gives Calibre FOSS vibes.

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DomeGuy 2 points 8 months ago

A scroll and quill is a pretty good idea, but it'd be better as something more squarish than irregular, I think.

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Reverendender 2 points 8 months ago

I agree. I made this jokingly, but a number of people seem to actually like it. I also started thinking on how to improve it immediately after I made it lol.

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TootSweet 42 points 8 months ago

Nobody else immediately thought of this?

"Buddy Jesus" meme image. A statue of a pretty comical looking Jesus statue winking with a goofy grin making finger guns.

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if_only 9 points 8 months ago

Incremental save needs to be Buddha

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xxce2AAb 37 points 8 months ago

Something completely abstract, like this

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mriormro 59 points 8 months ago

That's a download button

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RedEyeFlightControl 6 points 8 months ago

To download is still to save to one's disk.

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BlackVenom 7 points 8 months ago

Not if you're saving to the cloud...

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RedEyeFlightControl 11 points 8 months ago

That's called an upload, literally the opposite

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PineRune 9 points 8 months ago

Then it points up.

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frizzo 6 points 8 months ago

You upload to save to the cloud

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victorz 1 point 8 months ago

You have multiple scenarios. Save...

  • from memory to disk
  • from cloud to disk
  • from memory to cloud
  • from cloud (their memory) to cloud (their disk); kind of unusual these days but it's a scenario that's not always automatic.

You think these all apply to the concept of "download"?

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RedEyeFlightControl 0 points 8 months ago

I said none of that. I don't know why you'd assume any of the above from an obviously simplified laymans' explanation of the concept of a download. I'm well aware of this, but my target audience may not be. Write for your audience, not for you.

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mriormro 0 points 8 months ago

Downloading is specifically not saving in this metaphor. That's essentially making a record copy, not overwriting the source.

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toothpaste_sandwich 6 points 8 months ago

I've seen something like that used, and I think it fits the bill just fine!

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PHLAK 3 points 8 months ago

Agreed, but make the bottom bit look like a drive or server (e.g. a rectangle with a dot or two).

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Triumph 2 points 8 months ago

Chrome uses that for "download".

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Rhynoplaz 6 points 8 months ago

Which is essentially what saving is.

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Triumph 5 points 8 months ago

Mmm ... not exactly. If I'm creating a document in a local application, "download" is not applicable there, where "save" is.

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halcyoncmdr 7 points 8 months ago

For 99% of users, the specifics make no difference at all.

It's closer to reality than a floppy disk icon, that's for sure.

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Nibodhika 2 points 8 months ago

They meant that downloading is a type of saving.

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Grandwolf319 37 points 8 months ago

A squirrel, as in to squirrel it away

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supersquirrel 31 points 8 months ago

Best answer, but the save button should save the file somewhere random each time on the storage if the icon is a squirrel.

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Reverendender 7 points 8 months ago

So, like my work computer then

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Grandwolf319 5 points 8 months ago

Doesn’t everybody save stuff somewhere in the mess that is their desktop?

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Darkassassin07 4 points 8 months ago

Kind of just sounds like OneDrive.

They'll get it for you if you want it, but you don't get to know where it's actually stored (or who else is accessing it).

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squirrel 3 points 8 months ago

Best answer! Btw, have you seen my file?

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UltraGiGaGigantic 3 points 8 months ago

Where's your file dude?

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KokusnussRitter 8 points 8 months ago

Sorry for not submitting my homework on time. The squirrel took it away, never to be seen again.

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zxqwas 36 points 8 months ago

A CD image. Got to move with the times.

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UltraGiGaGigantic 7 points 8 months ago

Isnt it the glorious zip disks turn first?

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sanguinepar 33 points 8 months ago

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ChocolateFrostedSugarBombs 9 points 8 months ago

What a save!

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pixeltree 8 points 8 months ago

Chat disabled for 3 seconds.

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tensor_nightly69 2 points 8 months ago

Okay.

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blackn1ght 2 points 8 months ago

Wow!

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vector42 1 point 8 months ago
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smiletolerantly 31 points 8 months ago

Let's be real, when some shitty company (MS) gets around to it, it will be: ☁️⬆️

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cley_faye 26 points 8 months ago

A cassette tape.

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Onomatopoeia 4 points 8 months ago

Hahahaha, dammit you win

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neidu3 26 points 8 months ago

A safe or vault symbol as an indicator for safe keeping

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emb 25 points 8 months ago

I've already seen it replaced in some applications. Don't like that.

I know it's "if you have to", but if I have any choice at all, the floppy icon stays.

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garbagebagel 21 points 8 months ago

What even is the point in changing it? Like sure we don't use floppies anymore, but it's a well established symbol for saving.

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EndlessNightmare 2 points 8 months ago

What did they replace it with?

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mech 4 points 8 months ago

An arrow pointing down.

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RedditRefugee69 3 points 8 months ago

I've seen a hard drive.

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QueenHawlSera 22 points 8 months ago

A quill

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Allero 2 points 8 months ago

An elegant solution indeed

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Katana314 2 points 8 months ago

We’re going even more old fashioned.

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okamiueru 21 points 8 months ago

If the floppy disk was no longer the save symbol for software, and I had to chose one, I'd chose the floppy disk symbol.

But you worded your question wisely to avoid that loophole, so I'm not sure what to use instead for an otherwise unique and ubiquitous symbol, already known as "the save file icon" for two generations that have not seen it.

While we're at it, let's also replace the phone icons with a rectangle, as to not confuse anyone.

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JcbAzPx 1 point 8 months ago

Just change one pixel and call it new.

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some_kind_of_guy 1 point 8 months ago

You could make it a zip drive. No one would know the difference...

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BarbedDentalFloss 21 points 8 months ago

Han solo frozen in carbonite

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KokusnussRitter 19 points 8 months ago

Ouuh this is a fun one. I find that floppy disks look somewhat similar to SD-cards. Do you think the majority of kids (18 and younger) would recognize SD cards?

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Reverendender 11 points 8 months ago

I do not!

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JDPoZ 17 points 8 months ago
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Dasus 29 points 8 months ago

Thats for downloading though.

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JDPoZ -11 points 8 months ago
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lightnsfw 13 points 8 months ago

I'm not downloading when I save a file I edited locally on my computer.

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baronvonj 7 points 8 months ago

But like, what if, you're like ... "downloading" the file .. from memory .. to disk? .. man?

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JDPoZ 1 point 8 months ago
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Dasus 12 points 8 months ago

You take an online thing and make it local.

I understand how some younger folk might not see as stark a contrast in saving v downloading.

I'd say if you're 30+, you prolly do.

“Downloading” is how you acquire any external data to your internal storage media.

Aaahhaha. I didn't even read that bit before writing my first lines, and that only confirms my doubts.

Never seen these, eh?

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WhatGodIsMadeOf 7 points 8 months ago

What are we doing to the file? ****Ing it?

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howrar 4 points 8 months ago

Need to disambiguate between saving locally and saving directly to cloud storage.

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AlligatorBlizzard 2 points 8 months ago

If Windows gets their way you don't!

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JDPoZ 1 point 8 months ago
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elbarto777 2 points 8 months ago
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Fizz 7 points 8 months ago

They aren't censoring swearwords. 5they are blanking it out to make a point about the word save.

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JDPoZ 2 points 8 months ago
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snowsuit2654 19 points 8 months ago

To me this means download

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e0qdk 17 points 8 months ago

Down arrow pointing to a line, box, folder, or similar. Icons like that are what I've seen most commonly in software that has an icon for saving over the last few years.

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Skullgrid 10 points 8 months ago

how do you seperate that from downloading? I had a similar idea.

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e0qdk 1 point 8 months ago

In a lot of cases, the distinction doesn't really matter. If it does in a particular application, I'd probably prefer words to make the nuance clear -- but an arrow to cloud + arrow to disk/folder may be appropriate for some of the cases if an icon is required too.

In GIMP 2.10 on my system, there's a small difference between Save and Save As's icons. I think they added a pen over the hard disk the arrow is pointing towards -- presumably to indicate re-labeling? The difference is just barely visually distinguishable on my screen though. There's also an Export option (which has no icon, despite it being something I use a fair bit more than many of the other File menu commands) and a "Send by Email..." option with pencil over some paper with lines on it (presumably lines of text that's too small to be distinct).

xed on my system has an arrow pointing at a line for Save and an arrow with a line plus 3 dots over it for Save As. Only the Save icon is on the toolbar; the other is in the File menu. I've actually never noticed that distinction before, and if I weren't actively looking for save icons in the software I have installed right now, I don't know if I'd have ever noticed...

LibreOffice still has a (very stylized) floppy disk on the toolbar for Save and no icons whatsoever in the file menu on my system.

KolourPaint uses an arrow pointing into the drawer of a filing cabinet in the toolbar, and a much more squashed version of that in the File menu -- along with something additional (a partially filed in text box to indicate relabeling?) above the Save As variant in the File Menu.

Not sure if I have any other software that I still use regularly which has a Save icon... (My browser just uses text without any icons for save from File menu or via right click menu.)

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halcyoncmdr -1 points 8 months ago

Why does it need to be separate? The end result is the same, the file on your device. Where it is coming from makes no difference.

99% of users won't care at all.

It's infinitely more accurate than a floppy disk icon.

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bklyn 6 points 8 months ago

They need to be separate because saving and downloading are two separate things.

When I’m in Photoshop, I don’t download the file I’m working on. I save it.

There’s a good reason that these two icons are currently different.

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halcyoncmdr -4 points 8 months ago

There’s a good reason that these two icons are currently different.

Not really, it's just legacy, the same reason the save icon is still a floppy disk in most programs. That's what it's always been.

You may make the distinction between saving a document and downloading a document, but most people don't pay anywhere near that amount of attention, and don't care about specifics.

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sidebro 5 points 8 months ago

I like this one, it makes sense. And if you're saving something to the cloud it could be pointing up instead, maybe towards a cloud.

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WraithGear 15 points 8 months ago

the final fantasy 7 save crystal. because just look at it. LOOK AT IT!

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prole 2 points 8 months ago

It's so goofy looking lol

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HelloHotel 14 points 8 months ago

Probably an arrow pointing to a hard drive.

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invertedspear 3 points 8 months ago

Why a hard drive? Storage is moving to solid state. That icon would also be obsolete in a few years.

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Soggy 2 points 8 months ago

Because solid state drives can look like anything but a hard drive has the distinct arm and platter.

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vrighter 13 points 8 months ago

A Jesus icon.

Jesus saves.

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supersquirrel 1 point 8 months ago

What about Valhala tho? Kinda seems like superior religious imagery to me.

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vrighter 1 point 8 months ago

i want software to be easy to use. I don't want to die in battle using my software

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supersquirrel 1 point 8 months ago

Admit it, we all die in some small way every time we use a computer, why not seek glory in it?

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0x0 12 points 8 months ago

I choose a labeled, icon-free button that says save

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uriel238 12 points 8 months ago

🗄 or 🗃 come to mind.

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victorz 9 points 8 months ago

Yes let's make it even more archaic

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WhyJiffie 1 point 8 months ago

that would rather be icons for a file manager or an archiver

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dawcas 12 points 8 months ago

I've seen HDD icons as a replacement for the floppy.

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1rre 3 points 8 months ago

HDD or a folder is open, floppy is save, surely?

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dawcas 3 points 8 months ago

In calibre, HDD icon is for "save to disk", but I'm sure I've seen icon sets or other apps where HDD was used to save.

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vk6flab 10 points 8 months ago

Given the impermanence of any storage medium today, I'm thinking a puff of smoke would convey the sentiment with the right level of user expectation.

💨

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hissingmeerkat 10 points 8 months ago

A dark souls campfire/site of grace

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olafurp 9 points 8 months ago

I think the download icons will become synonymous with saving. It's functionally the same, move thingy to a location on your computer.

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ohulancutash 1 point 8 months ago

What about saving on a cloud service? Very misleading.

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olafurp 2 points 8 months ago

Up arrow on top of a cloud, I think that one is standard now

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daggermoon 9 points 8 months ago

But I like the floppy disk save symbol

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frustrated_phagocytosis 9 points 8 months ago

Gotta go with an even older symbol, the ring buoy.

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Triumph 9 points 8 months ago

A rotary pay phone powered by a steam engine.

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Brkdncr 8 points 8 months ago

probably a safe.

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hddsx 1 point 8 months ago

You’ll get “but why don’t you just put everything in the cloud?”

Ask me how I know

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lonlazarus 8 points 8 months ago

Ice cube, because you're freezing it in whatever working state you're in.

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FalschgeldFurkan 8 points 8 months ago

Go older: a punch card being inserted into a tray

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JordanZ 8 points 8 months ago
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VindictiveJudge 16 points 8 months ago

Doesn’t look like any piece of technology.

It actually does, just not modern technology. It's a simplified drum memory unit, the predecessor to the hard disk drive.

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Dasus 1 point 8 months ago

How is that a predecessor? It's just the same tech but bigger? (I know this could be said for pretty much anything but still.)

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SlurpingPus 2 points 8 months ago

You'd have your answer if you spent half a minute reading on how the tech worked in the above-linked article.

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Dasus 1 point 8 months ago

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Kazumara 10 points 8 months ago

Doesn’t look like any piece of technology.

I think it does look like an idealised stack of spinning magnetic disks. At least that's what I have always read it as.

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theneverfox 8 points 8 months ago

That's already the symbol of a data store, so if you hit it I'd expect it to bring up the connection configuration

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TeddE 1 point 8 months ago

What if we coupled the cylinder symbol with a 'going to' arrow ⤵️ above it?

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theneverfox 1 point 8 months ago

I would assume that would mean either choosing between database profiles or uploading a database export

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hddsx 5 points 8 months ago

What’s a hard drive? Is that like iCloud or something?

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Witchfire 4 points 8 months ago

It's an ancient device that replicates the cloud on your computer

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hddsx 1 point 8 months ago

But why don’t you just use iCloud?

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HugeNerd 7 points 8 months ago

Core memory. It's non-volatile.

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evidences 7 points 8 months ago

5.25"floppy disk

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Akasazh 2 points 8 months ago

The one true floppy

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Onomatopoeia 3 points 8 months ago

9"

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hddsx 1 point 8 months ago

Nine? I swear the floppy was EIGHT inches

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elucubra 2 points 8 months ago

You are right. I still have a box with programs I wrote

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BeardededSquidward 6 points 8 months ago

Bill Gates eventual tombstone.

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supersquirrel 7 points 8 months ago

Can't wait to impress someone by jumping over it in one clear hop.

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Feyd 6 points 8 months ago

Floppy disk save symbol

You mean the vending machine?

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supersquirrel 1 point 8 months ago

Well, vending machines are for bytes I suppose.

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Weirdfish 6 points 8 months ago

Bonfire from Dark Souls, because you don't want to lose your soul by failing to save progress.

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zipzoopaboop 2 points 8 months ago

Oooh I was going to say the ff7 save point but this is good

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BaraCoded 6 points 8 months ago

A PSX Memory Card, because that would be awesome.

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rook 6 points 8 months ago

Something like this ?

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Zorque 4 points 8 months ago

Pen and paper? What's that?

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Corporal_Punishment 4 points 8 months ago

Nah, thats for "new'

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l_isqof 1 point 8 months ago

That would be an empty page...

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Corporal_Punishment 3 points 8 months ago

Hmmmm

scurries off to check word

Fuck.

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WhyJiffie 1 point 8 months ago

that's a text editor

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pmk 1 point 8 months ago

I like it because saving is writing. Like in ed(1) or vi(1).
:wq

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HereIAm 6 points 8 months ago

I wonder if we would would really "expect" a new safe icon. Most modern software has auto-saving. Games for example often just use a spinning circle to indicate it's saving. Word and google docs just say "don't worry, we're continuously saving your work" when you hit Ctrl + S.

I imagine if you want to save something locally you have the downward arrow for downloading, or some other icon for moving and copying files.

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Noodle07 10 points 8 months ago

I dont trust word to save anything if I don't hit CTRL S

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Witchfire 6 points 8 months ago

I don't trust word to save anything even if I hit Ctrl S

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Dasus 1 point 8 months ago

Correction, without hitting Ctrl+S about a half dozen times in rapid succession

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Lushed_Lungfish 1 point 8 months ago

Yeah and even if you save it, good fucking luck finding it again.

Even worse now that all docs are saving to "Office 365". No you stupid bastard, I want to save the file to my hard disk on the computer I fucking own!

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SpikesOtherDog 4 points 8 months ago

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Noodle07 1 point 8 months ago

Yeah it's not saved on the cloud here, it's sensible medical government data

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muusemuuse 6 points 8 months ago

A cloud. Just to let them know they don’t own anything anymore.

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Zwuzelmaus 5 points 8 months ago

A tombstone.

Because you think that you have it fixed now to a certain place.

And you think it has got a name plate in front of it.

But you don't want to think about all the dark details of what's really happening down below!

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serpineslair 5 points 8 months ago

Idk, I guess SSDs/flash media is pretty prevalent nowadays, especially in gaming context. That said, it doesn't leave much in the way of a universally identifiable icon, or animation. So maybe an exposed hard disk, with the disk spinning and the arm moving, if you can picture what I'm describing.

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djmikeale 5 points 8 months ago

I'd like to think it won't even be necessary with a save icon as autosave becomes more prevalent. If I'm wrong, one option the icon could be is something like a "snapshot"

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bluGill 5 points 8 months ago

5.25 inch floppy as homage to my childhood. Or maybe 8 inch - but while I lusted after that much space I never used one.

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Skullgrid 1 point 8 months ago

Memorize like IOMEGA Zip drive?

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Onomatopoeia 1 point 8 months ago

As I recall, 8 inch store no more data than 5.25

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bluGill 1 point 8 months ago

depends - the capactiy changed over the years. My floppies were 90k, while 8 inch at the time was a full megabyte. 5.25 floppies did reach 1.2 megabytes on other systems but they were never available to me - even if I could afford it the drives were never compatible with my atari while the 8 inch drives were (with adapters I only ever saw in magazines)

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SuperEars 5 points 8 months ago

Symbol of "the cross" with hover-over text in which Microsoft writes "pray I don't amend it further."

For that future timeline when the meaning of Save becomes "stop working, let Copilot perfect it, and close"

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starman2112 2 points 8 months ago

I thought it was going to be the cross because Jesus saves

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SuperEars 2 points 8 months ago

Dawww, they'd claim that was the reason too. So, my idea goes behind the shed.

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Timecircleline 5 points 8 months ago

In Canada, a goalie's hockey stick.

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supersquirrel 1 point 8 months ago

What? Not a Maple Syrup Spile?

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200ok 5 points 8 months ago

A circle with a check/tick in it

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ImmersiveMatthew 4 points 8 months ago

Reel to reel tape? Ahahaha

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callyral 4 points 8 months ago

Probably an arrow pointing down inside of a circle, like the download icon. Most of the software I use just has text saying "Save file" and no icon, and I usually press control + S anyways so I don't have much of an opinion regarding this

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mlg 4 points 8 months ago

Animated Save Album from Mario and Luigi Partners in Time:

I cant find a gif of this, but the rainbow section is supposed to be animated, and the book opens when you hit (click) it.

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wildncrazyguy138 4 points 8 months ago

The three disks thing that symbolizes database, with a down arrow on top.

Or if we’re really going for the abstract, a knight in armor fighting a dragon with a lady behind him.

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brem 3 points 8 months ago

Pirate flag or dollar sign, depending on how the file is obtained.

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Skullgrid 3 points 8 months ago

A box that's closing? as in something being packaged?

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SethTaylor 3 points 8 months ago

A hand placing a book on a shelf

Or placing something more modern on a shelf

I'd finish my idea but I'd have to charge you 50 million dollars for it so yea...

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Sly2 3 points 8 months ago

Okay so hear me out.

The only solution here is Peter

Need to head out ? Oh ok lemme peter this document real quick.

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MonkderVierte 3 points 8 months ago

Arrow to disk.

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invertedspear 2 points 8 months ago

Why a disk? Storage isn’t even disk shaped anymore.

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MonkderVierte 0 points 8 months ago

"Disk" means a memory chip here.

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unmagical 2 points 8 months ago

My company designer erroneously uses a cloud icon.

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Appoxo 2 points 8 months ago

An SSD or HDD disk lol.

Something like the symbol Mac uses/used for external storage

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NigelFrobisher 2 points 8 months ago

C90 cassette.

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MdRuckus 1 point 8 months ago

Maybe like a stop sign. That would signify that you’re purposely stopping to save.

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hddsx 1 point 8 months ago

Yes but what’s the difference between :q and :w and even :wq

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AA5B 1 point 8 months ago

Nothing. Why do I need to manage storage myself? Everything i do should just be automatically saved. Each doc should essentially be version control so you can intelligently step back and fork if you need to.

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NewNewAugustEast 6 points 8 months ago

I hate this. No auto save please.

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supersquirrel 1 point 8 months ago

What would the symbol be for that function then?

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AA5B 1 point 8 months ago

There should be no such function. A scroll back/forward in time, and a map/flow graph but no save

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elbarto777 1 point 8 months ago
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AA5B 2 points 8 months ago

I meant fork, in the git sense. Scroll back to a previous point and take a different path. But yes, also back and forth

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elbarto777 2 points 8 months ago
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CompassRed 1 point 8 months ago

I like: Cylinder, Snowflake, Vault, or Piggy bank

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morphballganon 1 point 8 months ago

Maybe 3 stacked cylinders

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VinesNFluff 1 point 8 months ago

An arrow pointing up at a line. Preferably with each being a different colour.

The arrow indicates movement. The line is abstract. But with the colour coding it carries the idea of 'putting the thing into the other thing'.

The rest is learned pattern recognition. A download is a down arrow in a circle because you are taking the thing from the other thing. So saving is an arrow to a line because you are putting the thing in the other thing.

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planish 6 points 8 months ago

LibreOffice on Ubuntu has a down-arrow "save" icon, and every time I look at it I think "that's a download icon". Up arrow versions of that are upload icons. Neither really conveys "save".

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RizzRustbolt 1 point 8 months ago

AM.

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nomecks 1 point 8 months ago

The record symbol from every phone camera

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ohulancutash 7 points 8 months ago

But that is for recording, not saving.

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nomecks -2 points 8 months ago

Potato, potato

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WhatGodIsMadeOf 0 points 8 months ago

Just remove it all together and use only keyboard shortcuts

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BilboBargains 0 points 8 months ago

( ) )======D~~~

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Kolanaki 0 points 8 months ago

Text that says "Saving..."

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UltraGiGaGigantic -1 points 8 months ago

Goatse

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backgroundcow -1 points 8 months ago

There should be no save button. All software should auto-save continuously while you work. There should be a "duplicate"-type menu item or button that allow you to make a copy of the document into a new file.

Almost all cloud software already works like this.

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NewNewAugustEast 11 points 8 months ago

No, please no. I hate auto save. I don't mind choosing to turn it on, sometimes it's warranted, but to have it forced on? Fuck that.

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backgroundcow -1 points 8 months ago

"Saving" is a legacy that was introduced because of limitations related to storage in the early days of computing and makes no inherent sense within the metaphors most software operate. Broken metaphors makes things difficult to learn.

When was the last time you scribbled onto a physical document and the changes "didn't save"? Do you also hate "autosave" in the physical world?

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sleen 2 points 8 months ago
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NewNewAugustEast 1 point 8 months ago

Comparing to the physical world makes no sense because a computer is an enhancement that does things differently.

I want way to make trial and error scenarios and test ideas and scribble notes without being forced to keep the changes or retain a document. I also prefer to know where it is going.

I have some software that crashes and leaves me in this weird state where: auto save, recovery file, test sceberio. Which one was I using? Which will it choose to restore and how fucked am I now that the original is lost if I choose wrong?

Edit: I am going to say that on the other hand, in business it is wild that we give people a desktop computer when we should be giving them programs that they use. They should have metadata attached, be relative to their work, and have auto save. I am not always against auto save, it just needs to be in the appropriate places.

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backgroundcow 1 point 8 months ago

Comparing with the physical world makes sense when we have built these applications on physical world metaphors: "documents", "folders", "desktop", etc. We use those words precisely because they convey meaning based on the similarities with their real-world counterparts. Broken metaphors are both more difficult to learn and tend to trigger incorrect assumptions leading to operator error ("Didn't you save your document? What does that mean?").

What is worse is that, like it or not, the world is increasingly moving towards cloud services. The "edit + save" paradigm is less suited to that environment, so there we almost exclusively see the "you edit the doc itself (no need to save)" paradigm. It is difficult to see the gain of insisting on keeping both these quite different paradigms around, when the "you edit the doc directly" is no problem to implement also offline.

Now, about the practicalities: I also get fundamentally annoyed when presented with the "document recovery" dialog that brings me out of my flow. However, I interprete the situation differently. Had the software used a "you edit the doc, no need to save" paradigm, there would never be a need for "recovery". The edits I did are stored in the file I edited.

As for "I just want to scribble". Why don't you just scribble in a file called "Scribbles"? Why is that concept so offensive? You'll be happy the day your computer loses power while you are in the midst of scribbling, since you will be able to pick up exactly where you were.

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xylogx -4 points 8 months ago

The concept of saving is itself antiquated. Your data should always be saved.

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chunes -6 points 8 months ago

The word 'save.' Never understood why software moved on from words.

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remon 13 points 8 months ago

Not having to translate symbols would be one reason.

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elucubra 4 points 8 months ago

Yeah. Pictograms exist in part because they work in most languages

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chunes -3 points 8 months ago

They just force their users to translate their dumb symbols they use because there are so many illiterates out there.

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GreenKnight23 1 point 8 months ago

🤔 do illiterate people even use computers?

can they??

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Quazatron 1 point 8 months ago

Look around you.

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Blisterexe 1 point 8 months ago

You can read a pictogram faster than text, so you can find the button you're looking for faster when they're symbols once you know those symbols

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mech -18 points 8 months ago

"Saving" a file should already be obsolete.
Filesystems should automatically retain history, so whenever you edit something it's already saved, with the ability to go back to any previous state.

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nshibj 25 points 8 months ago

No, please. I NEVER want a computer to take a decision for me (like save or discard changes). I turned off auto saving on Microsoft Office on my work computer after I unknowingly made some changes in a presentation from another team I was just looking at, and it saved those changes without my knowledge nor consent.

I work with several screens, have several windows of different programs open and, unfortunately, sometimes a keystroke doesn't go where I thought I was sending it (I'm probably getting old). Also sometimes windows from a different program come to focus unannounced and capture whatever you were typing or clicking.

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mrgoosmoos 2 points 8 months ago

re: keystroke focus - you're not just getting old, programs are getting shittier about pulling focus when they shouldn't

I work on several screens on several tasks at once typically as well, and it's infuriating when one program pulls focus as I'm typing a sentence into something else, and worse when it does so and accepts the input of my rapid keystrokes to do whatever the fuck all those hotkeys are on the thing that pulled focus

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theneverfox 5 points 8 months ago

Oh hell no... You want the computer to decide where your files live??? Autosaving and saving are different things, you do need both

And version control on a filesystem is neat, but you'd still have to save it to a place. Perhaps you save it to a version controlled place, so you're not version controlling things that don't need to be tracked and filling up your entire disc when steam games update

It's your responsibility as the human to make decisions like this. It can be made easier with tools and clean workflows, but if you let the computer do it automatically you're giving up control and understanding

It's how we lose tech literacy

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Blisterexe 1 point 8 months ago

You want the computer to decide where your files live???

Most people already do this lmao, they just trust the program to find the file

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theneverfox 1 point 8 months ago

That's called tech illiteracy... It's a bad thing

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Allero 1 point 8 months ago
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theneverfox 1 point 8 months ago

I mean... You can autosave everything temporarily under a temp filename. The program should treat it as unnamed, and then when you go to save it you then give it a location and a name

It's probably the best workflow, it's pretty common for code editors

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chunes 2 points 8 months ago

Wouldn't that take a huge amount of space?

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mrgoosmoos 1 point 8 months ago

yes

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