Good point. If your car is a crazy color it's resale value will drop
FireRetardant 40 points 8 months ago
Not always. If you keep that car in good condition and it ends up being a desirable color it it could be considered rare by resale time, you're just rolling the dice when you buy it with that strategy compared to a more common/basic color.
ColeSloth 7 points 8 months ago
That's kind of the point, though. The colored cars are less desirable colors, so the resale value drops.
90% of cars will never become sought after vehicles. If the 10% that could, you're very likely to have already sold it before it ever became collectable.
Kjell 3 points 8 months ago
Is that true today? In my experience it is mostly Japanese cars from the 80s where the fading is a big problem. On the other hand, my country is not having a lot of sun so I guess it could be a problem in other countries with more sun.
SpruceBringsteen 12 points 8 months ago
That, and many of these cars wouldn't last long enough for the paint to fade from UV. Your yellow car turning beige wasn't a concern if it wasn't going to reach 100,000.
FireRetardant 10 points 8 months ago
Are you inplying these older cars weren't intended to last longer than 100k because I'd wager most of the cars in the top image at least doubled that before going to scrap.
AngryCommieKender 9 points 8 months ago
I owned 6 SAABs that were made from '82 - '90. I refused to touch a GM SAAB. Didn't even buy them with less than 100,000 miles on the odometer. 1/6 died at ≈750,000 miles. That was my fault, found out about hydroplaning the hard way, on I-75. The other 5 died between 1.3-1.7 million miles. Never quite got one to 2,000,000. Several hundred people have, and despite SAAB not making a car since 2011, they still keep adding cars to the list of 2,000,000+
Nollij 12 points 8 months ago
Not OP, but most of those cars only had 5 digits on the odometer. It says something about how long the manufacturer expected them to last.
It's important to remember how far we've come on longevity. 100k as the expected lifespan wasn't common until the 90s. My grandmother once told me that 40k meant it was time to start looking for a new car. This probably would've been for cars in the 50s.
Obviously you can take any car to any mileage if you're willing to sink the time and money into it. Many of these cars are prized by enthusiasts, and became project cars. But your standard utility cars of the 70s and 80s were probably not getting to 100k before needing a lot of repairs.
GenosseFlosse 4 points 8 months ago
Problem was mostly rust because they used unprotected steel without any zink coating. In a wet country that would damage the frame and chassis within a few years, and sooner or later you end up patching one hole after the other. It's even worse when they use salt on the roads in winter.
I watch some car restoration channel on YouTube. Some old cars look excellent at first, untill they lift it up and the floor plate or any mounts crumble into dust because some water was leaking inside the door frame, into the trunk or some hidden corner.
shalafi 4 points 8 months ago
Curious how old you are, because until this century, a car with 100,000 on the odometer was considered a piece of crap no one in their right mind would buy. Powertrain warranties of 50,000 were pretty nice in the 90s and when 100,000 came out people were astounded. 3 years/36K was standard warranty for everything else.
SOURCE: Worked Nissan consumer affairs, late 90s.
Passerby6497 5 points 8 months ago
Lol, I haven't had a car with <100k miles on it in close to 5-6 years
Onomatopoeia 1 point 8 months ago
Since 1985 for me.
All my cars go to 300k, or more.
iknowitwheniseeit 1 point 8 months ago
I haven't driven 300k miles since 1985!
Passerby6497 1 point 8 months ago
Unfortunately, none of my vehicles last more than 2-3 years.
I feel like an insurance nightmare at times.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 2 points 8 months ago
Also red cars have higher insurance premiums.
Nollij 6 points 8 months ago
This is (mostly) a myth, and dispelled by (among many others) Progressive and Allstate. How would they even know? Color is not part of your VIN, and is not something they will usually ask.
However, there is one small kernel of truth - sports cars, which genuinely are more expensive to insure, are far more likely to be red. But they would be the same price in blue, silver, or black.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In 4 points 8 months ago
Next time you get an online quote, experiment with the car details. You'll be surprised.
Actually white cars are now starting to have higher premiums, because Teslas are more likely to crash into them.
Onomatopoeia 3 points 8 months ago
Color is absolutely part of VIN.
But your point stands.
Nollij 1 point 8 months ago
I ran my VIN for a Chevy Bolt through the decoder at vpic.nhtsa.dot.gov (and again through the one at driving-tests.org). It has all sorts of details, including manufacturing location, battery size, and that the headlights are LED. But nowhere on the list is the color.
There may be circumstances where the color is part of it, but it's absolutely not standard. Try it yourself.
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FireRetardant 103 points 8 months ago
Not just the color. Each make and model used to look distinct and unique. Now they all have the same vague SUV shape. It makes sense aerodynamics and safety standards are a thing but it still feels so corporate and almost dystopian.
massive_bereavement 62 points 8 months ago
But SUVs are neither aerodynamic nor safe (for others)...*
*In comparison with normal cars.
Onomatopoeia 15 points 8 months ago
It's largely roll over protection safety requirements have increased dramatically. So you get massive pillars that have to distribute force into the rest of the body.
Which also has to handle that load, or prevent intrusion laterally from side impacts.
It's largely driven by safety designs.
mrgoosmoos 2 points 8 months ago
safety standards are bs, tho. they still say more blinding headlights are safer than less blinding.
thebestaquaman 21 points 8 months ago
They typically look like a mildly used bar of soap on wheels.
Septimaeus 11 points 8 months ago
The funnier interpretation IMO is that they’re all trying to be either wagons or minivans while maintaining plausible deniability.
No it’s an SUV! Right right…
somewhiteguy 5 points 8 months ago
It's carsinisation but for cars. Everything evolves into a type of SUV. It makes sense since physics kind of dictates how aerodynamics works and engineers just have to work around that.
I'm looking forward to the day when we don't have rear-view mirrors and just use cameras. Kind of surprised we haven't just gone that direction already. Screens and camera tech has gotten good enough that we can do that pretty efficiently.
The issue I have with some of the more "modern" cars is getting rid of the door handles on the outside. These pop-out things are just a hazard for people in colder climates or places where dust and other ingress can cause problems opening the door. Although, it would be nice to have my kids walk up to the door and not jerk on the handle 2-3 times before I can get the keys out to unlock it.
brygphilomena 36 points 8 months ago
Mirrors just work. No electricity, no lenses to get covered and blocked.
Cameras are good for the places mirrors can't see, but otherwise it's more shoving electronics in places were it's not needed driving up cost, complexity, and decreasing repairability.
I like function over form for safety items. Simple, reliable, and imo there is beauty in something clearly being designed for a purpose.
otacon239 25 points 8 months ago
Another factor that seems to get ignored with mirrors vs cameras is depth. A mirror is still a 3D reflection and there’s usually enough depth information to judge distances pretty well. You lose all sense of scale and distance with a lens and screen.
ArcaneSlime 10 points 8 months ago
Sure but if they break, it's a more expensive repair, one that I may be able to do myself whereas replacing a mirror or mirror housing isn't that hard.
I want less computerization of cars, personally. Or at least a repairable, customizable, and FOSS system, if I have to have computers in my car.
Onomatopoeia -2 points 8 months ago
They do, but know what works better? A single panel in front of you with all the views - you don't even have to turn your head.
As someone who's raced, "Wink" mirrors demonstrated this fantastically: multi-panel rear-view mirrors where you could see everything behind and beside you in a single mirror.
I used one in my daily driver when I had a neck injury (whiplash) and could barely turn my head for 2 years. Way easier to see all around you, and better too.
The tech for a camera system has been available and trivial since the 90's. A single 4" tall wide screen on the dash, or built into the center rear view would work.
Clearly you've never driven in rain, snow, fog. Side mirrors are very problematic. Cameras can be better protected, and done right even deal with rain and ajow a lot better.
brygphilomena 4 points 8 months ago
I know of those mirrors and surprise, I have driven in adverse conditions.
I'm not saying there aren't better ways. But cameras in their current implementation isn't the answer.
There becomes a point where there is too much in front of a driver. I also believe the frequent "feedback" from driving assists causes me, at least, to take my eyes off the road to figure out what it's beeping at me for and it's usually because the system doesn't recognize a bend in the road or the car in front of me is turning.
toynbee 1 point 8 months ago
One of my cars is a Chevy Bolt EUV. The rear view mirror, in place of the classic switch to change between day and night mode, has a switch that alternates the view between reflection and camera.
Fades 4 points 8 months ago
There are far more sedan shapes over SUV ones on the road, but with that said I agree with your reasoning. It’s natural that the most efficient shapes are adopted en masse so everyone can benefit. Same with other things like safety standards/regulations.
harrys_balzac 2 points 8 months ago
I can't remember which car magazine did it, but about 6-8 years ago, the cover was a profile of every crossover in the US market. I was able to pick out the Honda but couldn't tell any of the others apart.
Aerodynamics and safety get everyone to a generally uniform shape, but then they focus group it to death.
Sir_Premiumhengst 10 points 8 months ago
Peak automotive engineering!
TheImpressiveX 24 points 8 months ago
Is this what you mean?
FlashMobOfOne 33 points 8 months ago
Yes.
Sick of the gray in cars, clothing, buildings, etc. etc. etc.
gandalf_der_12te 17 points 8 months ago
Semi_Hemi_Demigod 4 points 8 months ago
The cars in the second picture are more colorful and interesting than what we have now
gandalf_der_12te 3 points 8 months ago
yeah, the golden light does a lot of the beauty there
CompactFlax 30 points 8 months ago
Paging through the 80s and 90s car colour options for somewhat mainstream cars like bmw is crazy in comparison to today. Sure they were the expensive paint option but there were hundreds.
There’s some awful colours today (eg you can get 3 shades of grey, red, or the precise shade of yellowish green that a newborn infant leaves in their diaper for a Prius). I say - at least it’s a colour.
WanderingThoughts 3 points 8 months ago
I had one bright blue one for a few years. It was beautiful. Then management caused issues with the leasing and I had to give it back. Now it's back to gray.
93maddie94 3 points 8 months ago
I have tried so hard to own an orange or a blue car. I owned a blue one for a beautiful four months before somebody rear ended me and totaled it. Since then it’s only been ugly, boring silver.
aguasemgas 2 points 8 months ago
I wanna buy one so bad, but people who owns it says that, is a pain in the ass to repaint and resell just because of the freaking color. Society is so boring sometimes (-_-)
brap 1 point 8 months ago
Never heard that tbh and had metallics blended seamlessly on blue in the past. Sounds like excuses for ability tbh.
Concerns for resale are a non-issue surely. I bought mine because it wasn’t a boring colour and I’m far from the only one.
callouscomic 26 points 8 months ago
Kind of true also for housing.
harrys_balzac 11 points 8 months ago
Drive the West Davis highway in Utah, north of Salt Lake City, and most of what you'll see is cookie-cutter McMansions in the same color schemes.
I saw one larger house that looked like an unpaid intern copied and pasted the same set of rooms multiple times onto the standard front entry.
Cheaply built, soulless architecture, tiny lots, on ground that was lake bed less than a hundred years ago.
aesthelete 8 points 8 months ago
Reminds me of one of the funniest articles I've read: https://www.nplusonemag.com/...
harrys_balzac 5 points 8 months ago
That was a fun read. I bookmarked it.
harrys_balzac 1 point 8 months ago
That's cool. I don't think I've seen one ever.
RememberTheApollo_ 22 points 8 months ago
You could also get factory colors “custom”. What was available at the dealership was one thing, but they had a host of other color options you could special order. Like upgrading from an AM radio to AM/FM Cassette. You just had to wait for the factory to do a run of that option before your car would get shipped. More options were a la carte and you weren’t forced into trim packages like today that are like cable tv packages - pay for a bunch of shit you don’t want to get the one or two options you do. Want AWD? Sure! But you have to take “premium sound”, floor mats, cargo separator, and exterior trim packages too.
RememberTheApollo_ 2 points 8 months ago
For regular makes and models there are far fewer options, like Toyota or Honda. BMWs are perceived as higher tier and have more options. The fact you have to single out a more luxury brand and can‘t just say “Toyota has 20 color options for the Corolla!” proves my point.
boonhet 1 point 8 months ago
Well yes, Toyota and Honda are about cutting costs whereever possible. Having fewer paint options available is cheaper.
I can get a Škoda in orange, blue or red, optionally two-tone with a black roof. That's also a cheap model of a cost-cutter brand I looked at. Slightly bolder paint options, but also not too many.
There's no point offering a bunch of different paints if nobody is getting them. Or you can do it like the luxury brands do, and make it possible to get absolutely anything, but it's a high-cost extra. If you sell it as prestige, some people will pay for it because why not. Plus it's not like anyone cares about the residual on a BMW, they'll just lease the next one in 5 years and don't care if they gotta pay 50 euros more per month due to a lower residual, or maybe the bank eats the cost (residuals are usually set lower than the expected actual value at the end of a lease anyway). But for cheap cars, where people are already cost-conscious, a lot of people just skip out on the cool colors because "oh it'll depreciate so much worse" and that's why they no longer offer them. So many car makers now offer one or two bright, showy colors per model and the rest are boring, generic, dependable.
If Toyota could make more money selling you a yellow Corolla than by not selling you a yellow Corolla, they would do it. But apparently not enough people want it for it to be an option, and not enough people want to shell out obscene amounts of cash for completely custom paints on a Toyota, for that to be an option. I wish people bought more brightly colored cars, but I don't think it's the manufacturers stopping everyone, it's the lack of demand.
mean_bean279 1 point 8 months ago
Toyota does a special color every year for their TRD lineup.
If you’re willing to count the black roof combo option the Corolla has 15 color options or 8 full color options. Red and blue are offered. Just no yellow or orange.
People just don’t want to wait for a special car and want whatever is on the dealer lot. So they make as many of those in boring colors.
gandalf_der_12te 20 points 8 months ago
there's a study that shows that car colorfulness is positively correlated to being in a good mood for longer periods of time (i.e. not having depression)
so, car colors reflect the mood of a society. and that they're all gray today is a bad sign.
there's a number of additional signs to read the mood of society. i was told by a colleague that the length of women's skirts is another indication (the shorter the skirt length, the better society's mood is overall).
i also believe that the music they play i.e. in the supermarket is a good indicator. the more love songs on the radio, the better the mood of society. the more break-up songs on the radio, the worse the mood of society.
FlyingCircus 2 points 8 months ago
It's not just cars. Our whole society is grey.
Smeagol666 17 points 8 months ago
I miss cars that would last for 30 years more than choice of color.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod 7 points 8 months ago
Part of why I drive a Volvo.
If you see a Volvo speeding you think "Gee, that doctor must be in a big hurry"
shalafi 3 points 8 months ago
I'm white and OP has hella privilege if they've never been concerned about cops targeting them. They were all over my ass in the 90s for having long hair and driving beaters. They'd lock on and follow until they had an excuse.
UnderpantsWeevil 5 points 8 months ago
That's apparently apocryphal. The rate of pullover tracks with the most common car color (currently white). Driver behavior (speeding, illegal turning, etc) and other outstanding features (lapsed registration, broken tail light) are the most common proximate causes for a pull over.
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Psythik 4 points 8 months ago
"Mr. Moneybags"? LMAO I can easily name 5 excellent, reliable sports cars you can use as a daily driver for under $10K:
- Nissan 350Z/Infiniti G35
- Mazda Miata
- Genesis Coupe
- Civic Si
- VW GTI
Semi_Hemi_Demigod 3 points 8 months ago
My GTI was good at hiding from cops until I got my exhaust.
Worth it.
gandalf_der_12te 2 points 8 months ago
Everyone wants a car that blends in so that they are less of a target for cops predators.
sobchak 17 points 8 months ago
All the crazy colors and styles originally happened to sell "self expression" because the culture was becoming more anti consumption. Advertisements for most things used to be more matter-of-fact, then they started focussing on manipulating emotions to sell more shit. I guess now the culture is more pro-consumption and status-obsessed, so conformity is what sells now.
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HotDog7 10 points 8 months ago
I read a while ago that people are sharing cars more and more. While someone may love a hot yellow, their partner may not, so they both settle for a grey. The market has gone from "I love it!" to "I don't hate it..."
mechoman444 15 points 8 months ago
Blame this on the car insurance companies. They claim that certain car colors are less likely to be in a wreck.
Also blame car manufacturers. Some colors cost more than others. Check the sticker price next time you're in the market.
Blass_Rose 14 points 8 months ago
Literally looking at a car I want to buy and the 4 colors are white, black, grey, and blue. Blue is actually just a cold silver. It barely looks blue.
On my current car, I ended up with white because the only one I saw in blue was charging $1k more than the one I got that had a higher trim package. They called me the day after I signed the purchase agreement to say that they decided to lower their asking price to $2k below what I paid. I still think about that...
gandalf_der_12te 4 points 8 months ago
i think that's why i liked anime so much as a kid. lots of oversaturated colors there.
DarrinBrunner 12 points 8 months ago
My current car is bright red. I bought it used without consideration to the color. That's been the case for every car I've owned. I've had orange, metallic beige (I think Honda called it "Champagne") three times, forest green twice, silver, and burgundy. I've never had blue, black, gray, or white.
If I got to pick, I think I'd choose candy apple red, burgundy metallic, or a deep cobalt blue metallic. I liked the green one okay, but I'm not a big fan of green.
AngryCommieKender 4 points 8 months ago
Not sure if it is still the case, but back in '96 when I learned to drive, I was told that insurance companies charge more for red and black cars, because they get pulled over more frequently than other colors.
invictvs 11 points 8 months ago
Many people here say that people don't want to be targeted by cops but I don't feel like cops target colored cars specifically. At least where I live I feel like they target stereotypical vehicles, which would mean a combination of brand and model, color, tinted windows, any visible modding etc., and also the body style of the car. For example a gray roadster will have a higher chance to be targeted by the police than a yellow minivan. A modded car will always be stopped more than average.
So the way to not get targeted is to get a car that screams "mother/father of two in an unhappy marriage". Or go to the other extream and get whatever the mafia drives if you have the money. I have never seen a G-class Mercedes stopped by the police.
VindictiveJudge 10 points 8 months ago
It's not quite as bad as it looks. The lower image either has had the saturation reduced or was taken with a potato, and the upper image has had the saturation increased. The lower image has a gold car (parked by an asshole) and a a couple red cars, but the image quality makes them hard to notice.
The upper image still has a lot more variety, but it's a bit misleading.
UltraMagnus0001 10 points 8 months ago
What's with the melty slate colors lately?
monkeyman512 1 point 8 months ago
They make me think of colored clay.
stupidcasey 10 points 8 months ago
I would argue this is 2010's and people just can't afford the new colorful 2020 cars, they all seem bright and colorful.
Kolanaki 13 points 8 months ago
Every new car I see on any car lot other than a Volkswagen one is just full of white, black, blue and red.
The new microbusses and old beetles (both kinds) are colorful. One lot a few blocks away even has a jetta with that "lego" thing going on where every panel is a different color. I always liked when they did that.
mean_bean279 2 points 8 months ago
Toyota is famous for their wildly colorful cars in the TRD lineup. Magma Orange, nori green, and that like Smurf blue color.
Ford has a vibrant blue as well. GM doesn’t deviate from bare colors much, but Ram/dodge will as well. Patriot blue, fire engine red, delmonico red, and plum crazy.
Porsche has full paint to sample.
Mercedes is basically famous for black cars so…
Anyways, cars have colorful variants, just the consumer base either isn’t willing to wait for the order, or they don’t want to pay the extra 500-900 dollars most non-standard paint color costs.
Also, a lot of manufacturers offer up tri coat white metallic which obviously looks boring from afar, but up close is very vibrant.
mojofrododojo 1 point 8 months ago
we tried to buy a vw electric microbus last year and they wanted $100,000; most dealers got TWO in 2024 if they got any, and so VW just let them set whatever price they thought they could get. fucking bonkers way to run a car company.
mycodesucks 9 points 8 months ago
"It comes in any color you want as long as it's black."
Tempus_Fugit 8 points 8 months ago
Not pictured here is "soul red crystal," the best red in the game.
Kaiserschmarrn 1 point 8 months ago
because their customers literally pay for the attention.
ChicoSuave 8 points 8 months ago
45 years of neoliberal nosediving. Kills all emotion, passion, and personality in pursuit of money.
PeriodicallyPedantic 7 points 8 months ago
People choose their colour based on how they think it'll affect resale value. If they pick a punchy colour, that narrows down the demand and brings down the resale price.
It's the same thing with millennial gray.
It's not that people don't want colour, it's that it costs such a huge part of their wealth that they're scared about recouping it.
chatokun 2 points 8 months ago
Ok, I'll say it. Dogs see blues and yellows, not grayscale. Colorblind is kind of a bad label, as it seems people assume it means all colors instead of blind to a few colors. Humans could be considered UV or infrared colorblind, but we're never described that way.
SethTaylor 6 points 8 months ago
The 80s, when your car was colorful and your house was... not
Shamber 6 points 8 months ago
Someone finally decided to call this shit out, I go to any parking lot, and I get depressed by tge uniformity and how bland it looks, 3 colour saturation, white,black and fucken grey, it's depressing af.and don't get me started on the Tesla epidemic, black, white Grey hideousness
libre_warrior 6 points 8 months ago
You can have any color you like, as long as it is grey. -Albert Einstein
Ensign_Crab 5 points 8 months ago
Can't stand out. Cops'll notice you.
HotsauceHurricane 5 points 8 months ago
I was listening to NPR recently & they had a segment about this. The guy they had on said it was a mix of corporate savings & market response. Many people just wanted black, white & red cars. So that's the colors we see the most.
uberfreeza 2 points 8 months ago
which i absolutely believe. when i see dealerships selling oddly colored cars they tend to have a 5k discount. my friend got a equinox that was a but strangely colored for less, and in my area a kona had a 5k discount for being hi-vis green. plus i imagine anyone wanting a specific color would just go to a shop for it.
HotsauceHurricane 1 point 8 months ago
Oh yeah, getting a wrap for your car is big business nowadays. Seems like the only way to get the color you want.
...oh god dammit they playin us all the damn time.
Smoogs -1 points 8 months ago
There’s a bunch of non metallic colours that make cars look like toys right now and it’s not limited to one brand. It is absolutely a trend right now. I suggest you lot need to stop living under rocks. Sure the rent is cheaper but hey, some shit is going on out here. Just sayin.
Digestive_Biscuit 3 points 8 months ago
Bring back brown cars!
Olhonestjim 8 points 8 months ago
People don't want to pay multiple thousands more for a color, when the manufacturer would rather enshittify their selection to save a buck.
ruan 5 points 8 months ago
Because that's exacly how marketing works... And, also, surely business only sell what the market is already being used to buy...
You can manufacture almost any demand if you are large enough...
Just look at latest example of Apple iPhone. Pretty sure that before 2020 you would say that "people don't like colors on iPhones", but it just so happened there was not even a choice for colors... Go ask around iPhone users nowadays what is their preferred iPhone color... Pretty sure colored iPhones will be one of their preferred in more than 33% of the instances. You can't say that a negligible marketshare.
shalafi 0 points 8 months ago
Been loving the new colors! Yeah, they're toned down, not Hot Wheels colors, but I'm into the new grey-blues and grey-greens, never seen those before.
Only one I'm not into is the green-yellow, uh, things, I've seen. We have a tiny Florida spider that exact color and it makes me think of an arachnid. (I'm fine with spiders, just not cars colored like the freaky ones.)
thatradomguy 0 points 8 months ago
God no. They hurt my eyes. Can't even stand the green Audi puts on their cars "free of charge".
Etterra -2 points 8 months ago
Eh. A car is a tool, it doesn't matter very much what color is it. Black is good for soaking up sunlight in the winter to help clear snow off naturally, light is better in hotter climate to cut down on heat absorption.
ZeldaFreak 4 points 8 months ago
Interior temps only differ up to 5°C in the summer between a black and white car. And during winter it makes no difference. You need to remove any snow anyways before driving your car and getting your windows free, isn't affected by the car color anyways. And once your car is covered, your car color doesn't matter anymore.
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