Park benches don't "open" until 10am

2 months ago by sanitation to c/mildlyinfuriating

EggInDisguise 221 points 2 months ago

I never considered this before, but now I'm glad I carry lock picks with me everywhere. That shitty padlock would take 10 seconds and I'd be on my way with a new beginner practice lock.

Fuck hostile architecture, fuck anywhere that makes an already shitty situation worse by telling the homeless "we don't view you as people, go die somewhere else"

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Freeposity 100 points 2 months ago

And it's not even just the homeless who are affect by shit like this. I can't tell you how many park benches I slept on in my twenties when I lived in Europe and I'd stay out too late and have to chill out somewhere until morning.

In America you can't take a nap in your car or even read a book in your car without having the cops hassle you.

I wonder what the cops are going to do when all vehicles are driverless.

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EggInDisguise 58 points 2 months ago

"the homeless" are always used as the excuse for stuff like this, but (as you stated are an example of) plenty of people "rough sleep" without being homeless. I've never slept on a bench, but I've spent a few nights in state parks with a hammock due to not wanting to be around my family for varying reasons. Once because I was supposed to be sleeping at a friend's house but went to a party and decided fuck this imma leave.

It's funny you mention reading because I've actually been harassed by cops for "loitering" in the park when I was sitting in my car reading.

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A_Random_Idiot 12 points 2 months ago

book in your car without having the cops hassle you.

is this a reference to that video of the guy waiting out the rain in a gas station parking lot by reading a book in his car and getting absolutely harassed by the cops who very obviously wanted to provoke a larger issue?

or is this a more common genre than i realize.

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gluestick 16 points 2 months ago

I’m not arguing against the bullshit that is making homelessness an even greater indignity let alone crime. Fuck that all day forever.

But I spent a greater part of three years voluntarily homeless (~15 years ago) to avoid violence at home. I consider myself extremely fortunate that I had a car I personally owned for most (but not all) of it which was a huge boon for me.

When I had a car, I parked in the back of 24h parking lots such as Walmart. Lacking that I parked behind higher end, but not too high, restaurants that kept bars open to call (2am). I was aware that in the latter case people became aware of me, but I never had problems.

When I didn’t have a car I found a ground level HVAC unit (behind grocery/department stores) because they were great at drowning out sound and giving me a relatively constant temperature.

I avoided parks because they often have posted hours and are regularly checked by police.

I’ve never been bothered by a cop. This is my truth, but not a justification.

In some countries they literally make life easier for people to live, and even enjoy living, a travelers life. The US is not such a place

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protist 11 points 2 months ago

I guess there are some spots with particularly awful cops, but most places, as long as you're not parked illegally, you can totally take a nap or hang out in your car no problem

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A_Random_Idiot 4 points 2 months ago

All spots have particularly awful cops.

the only difference is some places have better PR/Coverup than others.

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Freeposity 1 point 2 months ago

Yes, I was referencing that video.

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zergtoshi 6 points 2 months ago

#LandOfTheFree

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OrteilGenou 3 points 2 months ago

Avoid their cameras.

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hanrahan 1 point 2 months ago

In America you can't take a nap in your car or even read a book in your car without having the cops hassle you.

hop in the back, tell the cops you're waiting for your driver to return?

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gravitas_deficiency 38 points 2 months ago

Just so you know, if a cop ever catches you with lock picks, depending on the jurisdiction, they may try to arrest you for possession of lock picks with intent to burglarize (in the US, at least). Not saying you shouldn’t - but be mindful of what the potential legal hazards are in the worst case.

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EggInDisguise 25 points 2 months ago

I'm well aware, and unfortunately I am in one of those states. If they ever decide to search me and my purse, they'll find it.

Mere possession is considered proof of criminal intent. But I also always have a clear acrylic lock and easy padlock to show interested people how to pick a lock. It's fun and cheap as a hobby. So if I ever do get caught, at least I can make the argument of it being a hobby more convincing. I don't really expect to get off easy because of that, but if I'm ever caught and searched by cops, having a set of lock picks will probably not be my biggest concern.

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SirSamuel 14 points 2 months ago

Locksmith here. I'm also in a state with these laws, and on top of that there is no licensing for locksmiths. I'm an ALOA member now, but when I first started I would carry a card for my friend's lock shop. I figured I'd I ever was stopped and searched I could at least present the card as part of a broader plausible deniability. Similar to your acrylic lock. If you have a locksmith shop in your area, grab one of their cards and keep it in your purse. Ideally in your lockpick set if it's large enough.

Also, a PSA. "Officer safety" does not trump the fourth amendment. If an officer orders you to let them search your purse for "officer safety", anything found that isn't related to the safety of the officer is out of bounds legally. That's an argument for court tho. Make sure that they clearly state they are ordering you to have over your purse/bag/backpack/whatever. If they say "I'm asking you to", that's not an order. Saying something like, "With all due respect, I'm not surrendering my fourth amendment rights. If you order me to do something I will comply, and we can argue in court later. I want us both to get home safe tonight." This shows you're not volunteering to hand over your stuff, but you're not resisting, hampering, or obstructing either. It's a lot to remember, but "is that an order?" Is a great question to ask anytime a cop tells you something

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Murse 20 points 2 months ago

I want us both to get home safe tonight.

Do not say that to a cop. If it's taken as threatening, they can use that justification to escalate. And if it can be taken as threatening, it will be.

"I don't consent to any searches, but you have my full cooperation with any action you feel you have probable cause to do." "Why?" "I'd prefer not to elaborate without a lawer present. Am I free to go?"

Lots of 'sir, ma'am, please, thank you' etc; if they ask for your ID and it's in your purse, say something like "It's in a wallet in my purse, I'm reaching in to get it" (and do so slowly) but otherwise say as little as possible.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 2 points 2 months ago

do you have a nice starter lock you like? i've got one of LPL's genesis sets (intent has to be proven in my jurisdiction and i dress too ridiculously for them to prove intent) and a bunch of shitty locks. I don't really have a favorite yet

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EggInDisguise 2 points 2 months ago

Honestly I just grab any locks I find while out (like if I find one on the side of the road) and occasionally when I see a cheap-but-not-masterlock I contemplate buying it for shits and giggles.

For a starter lock, I have several master locks that range from the cheap "smack it to open" to actual security pins, but I always want them to be easy to pick so I can introduce people without overwhelming them.

My favorite is one that I... appropriated from a previous job (accidentally took it home and forgot about it) it's a security lock shaped like a circle to keep people away from the shackle with security pins AND can false set. It's the "oh so you think you're hot shit because you got 3 locks open?" lock. I'll have to dig through some moving boxes to find the brand

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hildegarde 24 points 2 months ago

Its a masterlock you don't even need a pick.

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EggInDisguise 16 points 2 months ago

A stiff breeze could do it, but you can also just hit it with a rock if it doesn't pop open from a stern glance.

I had a shitty 40mm masterlock on my locker in middle school and I wouldn't even bother with a key, if just yank hard on it once or twice and the jostling was enough to pop it free.

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GeirGrusom 9 points 2 months ago

Just get another masterlock and smash them together.

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creamfresh 6 points 2 months ago

Is that a brand or a type of lock?

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 7 points 2 months ago

it's a brand. they open by looking at them. or a mallet.

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SeductiveTortoise 9 points 2 months ago

"This is the lock picking Courtney and what we have here is a shitty padlock."

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SaharaMaleikuhm 84 points 2 months ago

If you don't want to see homeless people in your park: HOUSE THEM

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kamee 17 points 2 months ago

Why spend money on housing them when you can instead (i assume) employ someone to keep to anti-homeless benches on schedule and pay consultants extraorbitant fees to help you design anti-homeless parks

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yermaw 26 points 2 months ago

Ironically, the guy who has the job of maintaining the equipment and schedule

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Kangae_Hishiryo 2 points 2 months ago

They literally don't just make Concentration Camps against the poor and the homeless because that would be too brazen and obvious, I fucking hate them.

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majster 12 points 2 months ago

Over here entrance to shelters is permitted only to the sober. Its more complicated than that.

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bus_factor 24 points 2 months ago

It's a lot easier to get sober if you have housing and basic needs covered.

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 19 points 2 months ago

Our town, one shelter they essentially dry out at (at their own pace), one shelter they go through a program that trains them on basic adulting and job skills like paying rent and filling out timesheets. together they make a pretty successful (very low recidivism rate, i.e. back on the street) mutual aid group

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endbringer -2 points 2 months ago
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orochi02 6 points 2 months ago

Agree, but also I still think we should House them instead of investing into hostile architecture because its just more sensible

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Diplomjodler3 16 points 2 months ago

You have to solve your problems before we help you solve your problems. Top notch logic there.

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merc 8 points 2 months ago

And it's impossible to get a decent night's sleep outside with all the traffic, pedestrians, noises, cops, etc. unless you self-medicate. If you can't get a good night's sleep you go insane.

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BCsven 4 points 2 months ago

In metro Vancouver area theyve bought old hotels and other buildings and set up barrier free housing. But it doesn't totally fix it because some, due to mental health, still don't want housing (or rules that go with housing) and some are destructive and start fires.

Its a super tough problem that needs a root cause fix in early childhood years when kids need a good life.

A former addict/homeless person also mentioned that all the comforts, and safe injection sites, free clean drugs, etc just insentivized them to keep using, since there wasn't hardship to force change.

Its like a no win situation, right now.

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bus_factor 3 points 2 months ago

Some people need to hit rock bottom to get the right motivation, others just need a chance to get back on top. We shouldn't accommodate the former at the expense of the latter.

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WorldsDumbestMan 79 points 2 months ago

Why are they so obsessed with making sure the homeless don't get a basic, involuntary need? Like just shoot them if you are going to be this cruel, and you are going to kill them anyway.

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raze2012 49 points 2 months ago

The cruelty is the point. They'll say a homeless person doesn't deserve a fee hundred bucks a month to get back on their feet, but they'll spend 100 grand a year per person to make them more miserable. It's just good job security (and satisfaction) for the police unions.

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WorldsDumbestMan 24 points 2 months ago

They spend YOUR money too, possibly making you homeless in the process.

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Kangae_Hishiryo 3 points 2 months ago

Yeah, they're just fucking plain sociopaths, psychopaths, narcissistic, egolatrical and evil.

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Diplomjodler3 28 points 2 months ago

Cruelty is definitely a big part of it but also NIMBYism. If we don't see the homeless people, we don't have to think about them and try to find solutions.

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myplacedk 14 points 2 months ago

Yes, I really can't wrap my way around their way of thinking.

There are people who have such big issues in life, and such bad options, that a bench in a park is their best option for a place to sleep. That is horrible, and something must be done. And politicians think removing their best option is a solution?

If people can show enough compassion to invest in getting these people back on their feet, if you are really just going to ignore them - at least to that. Let them be.

If we're talking drunk people causing issues, and they need to learn to go home instead - then I'd get it. Not my preferred solution, but I'd get it.

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WorldsDumbestMan 9 points 2 months ago

I think everyone CAN get together to make a difference, everyone who cares.

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HubertManne 5 points 2 months ago

drunk and disorderly is arrestable. This is only for stopping sleeping 100%

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merc 0 points 2 months ago

And politicians think removing their best option is a solution?

Because it gets them votes. The politicians aren't the problem, they merely reflect public attitudes.

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Kangae_Hishiryo 2 points 2 months ago

They cause public attitudes in most cases, so...

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merc 2 points 2 months ago

What makes you think that the average politician is actually a leader, rather than just a follower who pays attention to polls? That would imply they have a spine, which seems unlikely.

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Kaerkob 2 points 2 months ago
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Colonel_Panic_ 11 points 2 months ago

Capitalism requires there to be a threat of what happens if you "don't work hard enough" or don't play ball with those in power. Nevermind that most homeless people aren't that way due to laziness or anything they did wrong, just unlucky situations or medical debt or being laid off at an inconvenient time or something.

It would be far cheaper to our country to have free housing, UBI, universal healthcare and social programs everywhere than what we are doing now, but what we are doing now makes about 1,000 people INSANELY wealthy at the expense of the other 342,000,000 people in the country, so that's what we keep doing for some stupid reason.

Maybe one day everyone will wake up and stop enabling systems that create this shithole.

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Tja 4 points 2 months ago

There's about 40 other capitalist countries where losing your job doesn't end in homelessness and medical debt is not even a thing. And we have universal Healthcare, paid annual leave, paid parental leave, unlimited paid sick leave, unions,...

Basically there's only one country where all of that doesn't exist...

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TransNeko 2 points a month ago

where are these countries? The only one I know of uses 3 methods to prevent Homelessness.

Method 1: USA tax dollars pay for all of their healthcare.

Method 2: great unemployment benefits.

Method 3: (their most preferred method of Homelessness prevention) Step 1- Find an intact house with Palestinians in it. Step 2- shoot all of them in the heads including the children. Step 3- clean up. Step 4- give house to a filthy Israeli genocide supporter.

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Simon_Shitewood 0 points 2 months ago

Medical debt might not be a thing but losing your home because you lost your job definitely happens in Europe.

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ThanksForAllTheFish 1 point 2 months ago

Yes, losing your home after losing your job definitely happens in Europe. The difference is that many European countries have stronger safety nets: they may help with rent, provide temporary or social housing, or use Housing First, so unemployment is less likely to end in rough sleeping. They generally won’t simply pay off your mortgage, and the help isn’t guaranteed, but keeping people stably housed can be cheaper in the long run than repeatedly dealing with homelessness. It also makes finding and keeping work much easier. In the UK, for example, eligible people may receive Jobseeker’s Allowance and help with their rent through Universal Credit, or Housing Benefit in certain circumstances.

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whereitsat 9 points 2 months ago

they're still sticking to the trope that the homeless are lazy, uneducated bums; at best they're what happens to good citizens after falling into addiction.

they all WANT to be there, but we definitely don't want them!!!

but that narrative should be falling apart as conditions deteriorate...

but you know, american education lol.

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Kangae_Hishiryo 4 points 2 months ago

"BrO, bUt ThE mErItOcRaCy, ThE uNiVeRsE gIvEs YoU wHaT yOu AcTuAlLy DeSiRe WiThIn ThE dEpThS oF yOuR iNnEr SoUl"

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myyass 2 points a month ago

made me think of the square girl video lol

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chiliedogg 5 points 2 months ago

We need societal-level solutions to homelessness. We need housing, free healthcare, free mental healthcare, criminal justice reform, and more. But until we can do that, the reality is, concentrations of the homeless are associated with higher crime, reduced patronage of businesses, and decreased property values.

It super duper sucks, but homelessness is a really difficult problem for cities and property owners they aren't equipped to address. Since they can't fix the problem, they instead focus on keeping the problem away.

It's all so fucked.

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ThanksForAllTheFish 1 point 2 months ago

This feels like a very US-specific way of framing it. In the UK and much of Europe, many of those “societal-level solutions” already exist to varying degrees: healthcare and mental healthcare free at the point of use, unemployment support, benefits towards rent, social and temporary housing, legal homelessness-prevention duties, and Housing First programmes.

They’re nowhere near perfect. We have social-housing shortages, benefit limits, long healthcare waiting lists and plenty of people who still fall through the gaps. But the response doesn’t have to begin and end with moving homeless people somewhere less visible to protect property values.

Your point that individual businesses and property owners cannot solve homelessness is completely fair. That’s precisely why they should sit behind a publicly funded safety net which helps keep people housed and supports them back into stability, instead of leaving everyone involved to deal with the consequences.

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x00z 5 points 2 months ago

The bourgeois don't want to look at the plebians.

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merc 1 point 2 months ago

Sure, commuters with jobs are the bourgeoisie.

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Demdaru 5 points 2 months ago

Lemmy lol. Answer is simple. Everyday folks don't like seein' them, as they consider them lowlifes. City is doing "something" about it, so city is doing good. There are shelters, so it's not like these people have no options.

Everyday folk don't think about shelters being overcrowded, homeless being alcoholics/druggies just to cope with their situation and thus not being able to use shelters, or the fact that I've seen software devs, here on lemmy, mention being homeless or being in the past.

Most people are reactive, not proactive. They see dirty homeless person, they feel yucky, they tell said person to gtfo without thinking about the fact that it's a person in the first place.

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Hueristic_Autistic 1 point 2 months ago

Yeah but being proactive is illegal unless you're part of some organization and making profit somewhere along the way.

By that I mean it's fucked up in the US, how I cant by a few boxes of frozen burgers, cook them make a bunch of burgers and start handing food out; unless I was part of some organization that somewhere along the way is making money or hype to make sure their other businesses get business.

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Demdaru 1 point a month ago

...wait, making field kitchens is illegal in USA? I am not living there so I wouldn't know. Can't ya like throw barbeque in your backyard or smth?

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Hueristic_Autistic 1 point a month ago

Yeah, you can do the BBQ thing. You, just can't for instance buy a used RV and climb on top of it and start handing out cooked food to everyone.

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HCSOThrowaway 3 points 2 months ago

Because people are more comfortable letting homeless people starve or freeze to death than they are with shooting them.

Same reason people are happy to buy ham from the grocery store but would feel uncomfortable slitting a pig's throat.

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rockSlayer 54 points 2 months ago

It's a masterlock though, you can pick it by lightly touching the keyhole with a blade of grass

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mushroommunk 34 points 2 months ago

Only if you're the lawyer, everyone else needs to put a little force behind the blade of grass

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ShaggySnacks 21 points 2 months ago

"Hey, this is the Lockpicking Lawyer and today I have a Masterlock......and it's already open."

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DarrinBrunner 1 point 2 months ago

The lock had seen the videos, it just gave up.

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hperrin 15 points 2 months ago

Picking a lock is something you do when you don’t want to destroy the lock. In this case, fuck that lock. A rock will solve the problem of it being there just fine.

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hildegarde 8 points 2 months ago

Or you want to open a lock without it being obvious that you did it. Picking the lock would make it look like the staff forgot to lock it, short of a forensic teardown of the lock.

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Equinox1289 12 points 2 months ago

Or just hit it with another master lock.

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TheGoldenV 4 points 2 months ago

I was gonna say you can rake it, but your sarcasm is better.

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Buffalox 49 points 2 months ago

Another example of a society that has lost its mind, and has become psychopathic, because they see sociopathy as a form of freedom. When instead it oppresses the population where it should help.

A Psychopathic solution to a problem that is also caused by psychopathy.
To call it a weapons free zone is disgusting, when we all know it's to prevent the homeless from sleeping there.

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lookitsjustin 46 points 2 months ago

Dystopian as fuck.

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Ravenheart 45 points 2 months ago

Hostile infrastructure, intended to heap misery upon the most miserable among us. We punish people who should be helped, and help people who should be punished. What a backwards world.

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thermal_shock 4 points 2 months ago

Somewhere, something changed and money became all, get it all so you can consume. People stopped caring unless money was involved and they were getting it.

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Ravenheart 5 points 2 months ago

Capitalism only cares about money.

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ArmchairAce1944 4 points 2 months ago

Correction. The money must be obtained without morality or ethics... And laws are written to be both be worked around or punished with fines, hence making them an operating expense.

The only crime that is punished is those done by people with limited or no political or economic leverage. This is why burglary and shoplifting is heavily punished but a company bankrupting entire communities is not.

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thermal_shock 3 points 2 months ago

But it wasn't like this 25 years ago

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balsoft 3 points a month ago

It may have felt differently to you 25 years ago - maybe you were in a better neighborhood or something, but capitalism has always been about heartless extraction of money from the poor. Check out The Condition of the Working Class in England for a 180-year-old account of this.

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Ravenheart 2 points a month ago

Capitalism has always been like this to one degree or another. Maybe its inherent cruelty is affecting more people than it ever has, but it has always been cruel to poor and marginalized groups.

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ReverendIrreverence 2 points a month ago

25 years ago, kinda depending on where you were, cops just rousted and beat the shit out of peaple as incentive to "move on."

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gandalf_der_13te 28 points 2 months ago

more like "wildly infuriating"

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crwth 27 points 2 months ago

Sometimes I walk around town late at night. Last week I saw a guy with a sleeping bag napping in the park gazebo. He wasn't bothering me or anyone, so I just let him be.

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Blackmist 7 points 2 months ago

We'll I hope you at least reminded him of his obligations to the Epstein Island class.

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Hueristic_Autistic 27 points 2 months ago

I hate the practice of Hostile Architecture/Anti-Homeless Architecture, just let someone sleep till the sun comes up. As long as they ain't hurting anyone or the area then, it's whatever.

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rumba 8 points a month ago

I kinda get it to an extent. I've had friends that lived in a bar district that couldn't get out of their door because the same guy set up shop on their stoop every morning. They tried to convince him to just move to the side leaving them enough room to get in and out without trying to step over him. They tried to get him to work with services to help but he had no f's left to give. He peed there, never crapped there, though. I do wonder where he went to do that.

The right answer is to properly support, help, and house the homeless, and a city with the wherewithall to maintain a park could definitely make a dent on that.

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spicystraw 3 points a month ago

I agree that support is needed, but I can't take this argument seriously.

Your anecdote is an annoying case, sure. But one personal experience isn't representative of the broader homeless population, and it's certainly not a good argument for hostile architecture.

Using a single cherry-picked encounter to draw sweeping conclusions is exactly how you get policy that "solves" a stereotype instead of a real problem. Broad statistics don't care about your one story, and neither should public policy.

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UnderpantsWeevil 2 points a month ago

I agree that support is needed, but I can’t take this argument seriously.

The way I see it, someone at city hall went out of pocket several hundred dollars to customize those benches. And then they're paying someone to come out every morning and unlock them (or not and just leaving benches locked indefinitely). All so life is now harder for people already sleeping rough.

Does anyone really believe the city councilor or mayor or whomever who went through that trouble is going to be releasing money to improve municipal services for homeless residents? I certainly don't.

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horus_son_of_isis 2 points a month ago

Mental illness and homelessness go together like sex and cigarettes. You can have 1000 days of harmless hobos sleeping on benches, and all it takes is 1 or 2 stark-raving madmen attacking or harassing people to shift attention and spark concern about safety (falling property values because that neighborhood has a "bum problem")

I'm not saying it's right, it just how things work.

Edit: I've paid high rent to live somewhere and had to deal with panhandlers, hobos, and thieves. Kindness wasn't a valuable tool. Needless to say it hits different when you are the one being affected.

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rumba 2 points a month ago

Ok, let's turn that argument on it's head. In what world is not blocking benches and seats in a public a better solution than state funded programs to get the homeless sheltered and fed. I can tell you right now that the numbers of shelters available are shit everywhere I've been and most have little to no support for mental health, addiction or anything, just draconian rules about in/out times and in most cases fees.

edit addon:

They don't need the benches, they shouldn't have to be on the benches. they shouldn't feel the need to be on the grate in the winter or camping under an underpass.

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HCSOThrowaway 22 points 2 months ago

Ooh, free lock-picking practice!

I don't think it would be illegal to non-destructively unlock that lock.

- Ex-cop

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NeatNit 19 points 2 months ago

It's a master lock, it won't give you as much practice time as you hope.

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HCSOThrowaway 7 points 2 months ago

I'm aware. If you really want a pedantry fight:

Nothing about my comment implies it would be a long practice session.

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NeatNit 5 points 2 months ago

I was not looking for any kind of fight and I actually did suspect you knew. I was just hopping on the opportunity to mock Master Lock, since I know they make some of the worst locks on the market.

Full disclosure: I have zero lock picking skills. I probably couldn't pick this lock if I tried.

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HCSOThrowaway 3 points 2 months ago

Fair enough. My hackles are usually up thanks to how people treat me.

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anewfox 3 points 2 months ago

not just the worst, but they somehow manage to release new locks that are worse than their old ones, as well as new locks with positively ancient design flaws that every lock manufacturer absolutely knows about, like not including a rear shield in the core, meaning you can just... stick something in there and open it trivially. i'm talking design flaws from the 1800s and early 1900s. their most secure core is used in a PLASTIC LOTO LOCK and none of their metal locks, for no fucking reason. the incompetence is unbelievable.

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Quexotic 2 points 2 months ago

You probably could. They're really not very hard.

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wookiepedia 3 points 2 months ago

Very curious about a hypothetical: You pick the lock and secure it elsewhere on the bench so that it's not lost and accidentally affix a proper lock keeping the bench in the bench position.

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thermal_shock 3 points 2 months ago

Anything is practice. Repetitive behavior hones skills. Experience is experience, good or bad. Maybe the skill is doing in the open quick enough to not draw attention.

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Quexotic 1 point 2 months ago

I think it would be a lot more fun though to non-destructively unlock the lock and replace it with another one that looks identical every single day after you free the bench and put it in its upright state, locking it in place.

They'll think that they've got the wrong key every single day. Just keep buying locks and replacing it.

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HCSOThrowaway 1 point 2 months ago

That's more illegal than I can openly suggest.

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Quexotic 1 point a month ago

Oh, I don't advise it. It would be fun though.

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osanna 17 points 2 months ago
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Tollana1234567 6 points 2 months ago

"its putting your head in the sand, kicking the can down the road" policy, no intention of alleviating it. probably gives reason for certain politicians to get elected. our region started doing something to the homeless in an area of our city(sweeping leo prescence, especially when world event/conferences are around) and they immediately move near the WFoods where i frequent, and they are robbing it blind(because store policy is not even to approach or give them customer service). when before they were more spread out and congregate in an area, that they dont stray far from causing "less" problems.

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CalypsoGirl 1 point a month ago

My takeaway from this is FREE FOOD AT YOUR WHOLE FOODS? Sweet! DM me the address! 🤣 (jk haha)

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horus_son_of_isis 1 point a month ago

Whole foods asparagus water: $8

Whole foods aspargus water shoved into your asscrack while mumbling incoherently: priceless

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ArmchairAce1944 17 points 2 months ago

Mildly infuriating? This is disgusting shit.

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huppakee 16 points 2 months ago

At least there are enough houses for everyone /s

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bitjunkie 14 points 2 months ago

It's easier to lock up a bench than build an affordable home.

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merc 2 points 2 months ago

Cheaper too.

But, it's probably not the optimal solution. I suppose it's a step in the right direction. As bad as hostile architecture is, the old way of dealing with the problem was to have cops beat the shit out of homeless or drunk people if they tried to sleep in a place where other people might be offended or annoyed.

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bitjunkie 4 points 2 months ago

Oh, they still do that.

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kestrel7_7 2 points 2 months ago

To me it doesn’t feel like a step in the right direction, since we could have always had the optimal solution, at any time: no beatings and no hostile architecture.

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merc 2 points 2 months ago

That might be the optimal solution to you and me, but it isn't the optimal solution for the rich and powerful. Apparently the average voter hates the sight of homeless people more than they hate hostile architecture too.

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arran4 13 points 2 months ago

So they pay someone to lock / unlock it, that's an externalized cost of not solving the issues elsewhere. A little too much on the individualistic side of things.

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ShaggySnacks 15 points 2 months ago

If we think the logic through, it is very insidious. The city has decided that the public perception of locking up benches is far more preferably then allowing a place for people to sit/sleep.

In essence, it is better for a bunch of people to be collateral in punishing the homeless then it is to be seen making homeless people's lives marginally better.

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raze2012 6 points 2 months ago

These little things add up and make you realize that that ol statistic of "California spends 100k/year per homeless person combating homelessness" hold weight. They'd rather spend on services and police to do this stuff than address the underlying issue.

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arran4 2 points 2 months ago

It sounds like there is too much diffuse of responsibility

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snausagesinablanket 12 points 2 months ago

Pocket size and 2 batteries. Get busy.

$25

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Murse 6 points 2 months ago

Loud. Looks like there are similar-sized battery powered bolt butters that'll do the job much quieter. Bonus points if you cut the tab the lock is attached to vs the lock itself. Make it require an actual repair and not just a lock replacement.

Edit - Oh jfc, the one pictured is over $3k ...Ryobi has one for $200, which is still a good chunk more expensive than the grinder, but well worth the stealth imo.

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0x0 1 point 2 months ago

If you think makita is expensive you should check out the hilti!

That one is red though so its totally worth it

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Kolanaki 5 points 2 months ago

It looks to be a basic af Masterlock. You could use bolt cutters on those and save some money.

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HatFullOfSky 9 points 2 months ago

Based on The Lockpicking Lawyer's videos, you could practically sneeze at the thing and it would pop right open

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solidheron 10 points 2 months ago

That's got to be annoying just to lock and unlock a bench probably every day. Also the bench can still be used as a backboard while you sit on the ground.

It doesn't stop being a chair it's just hostile architecture

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NotMyOldRedditName 2 points 2 months ago

(Not in OP city) There's a lot of homeless people here and they like to sleep in entranceways and similar things, so you'll often see gates etc that get closed in front. One business had a open area beside it that homeless people were sleeping in, so they installed rounded spikes on the ground to make the area unusable. Caused a quite a bit of drama with the city.

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TR3 9 points 2 months ago

I guess this is how English and Spanish work but coming from language where the word “free” is not used in similar manner I find it somewhat funny that here we have “free zone / zona libre” and it means that the bench is locked and so many things are prohibited.

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BigPotato 4 points 2 months ago

The Spanish is a bit easier since it literally translates to "Zone Free of..." followed by a list of things it's a zone free from but I agree, since a "drug free zone" and a "gun free zone" mean that there is, ideally according to the sign, no drugs or guns but a "weapons free zone" would mean you're free to shoot combatants on sight, whereas a "weapon free zone" would mean an area without weapons.

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peacepath 2 points 2 months ago

using "something free" to say that thing is prohibited sounds so 1984…

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caden 1 point 2 months ago
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Quexotic 9 points 2 months ago

I guess it's time to put a bench there, get a hammer drill, put some holes in the cement, and bolt that fucker to the ground, and then round the bolts so they can't take it out.

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Duamerthrax 8 points 2 months ago

Fun fact. Bolt cutters are cheap and you can do quick and dirty stick welding with 2 car batteries and some jumper cables.

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myyass 2 points a month ago

The funny part is it looks like a rusty master lock, so just a thick screwdriver and a kick is enough to break it open.

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buzz86us 8 points a month ago

Damn people choosing to be broke. To the debtor's prison with them.

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cinoreus 8 points 2 months ago

Mfs be living in pharloom

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hperrin 8 points 2 months ago

I wouldn’t normally vandalize a bench, but…

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explodicle 3 points 2 months ago

If someone were to pick the locks, they could randomly rearrange them and lock the benches open.

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NathanRanch 7 points 2 months ago

Probably put this in a place with 0 homeless, or maybe a campsite where people would be camping anyway. People don't talk about how deadly it can be to sleep on the ground sometimes too. There's a percentage of "this design can indirectly contribute to a death", in every bench like this. It shouldn't even be a thing

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Mirshe 7 points 2 months ago

That's the hope. It's a bad look to just have the cops round up and shoot homeless people - much easier to just have them die on the street or whatever so we can claim they're all junkies and drunks and weirdos. Turns out corpses can't tell their side of the story.

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jumping_redditor -3 points 2 months ago

there is an acceptable number of people to kill per design and this falls far below it.

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explodicle 2 points 2 months ago

It's above because there's no social benefit to the design. It's just transferring wealth from the poor to local property owners.

Qualifications

I'm a mechanical engineer with a specialty in design, and have to do math like this sometimes. We really need our own Hippocratic Oath.

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Aarrodri 7 points 2 months ago

Where is this?

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ITGuyLevi 5 points 2 months ago

Not with that lock they don't lol.

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Gullible 5 points 2 months ago

In some places, benches are destroyed by mentally unwell people out of boredom or misplaced aggression. Sure would suck if someone bored or frustrated took bolt cutters to these padlocks.

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Makhno 5 points 2 months ago
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minorkeys 4 points 2 months ago

If people don't have anywhere to exist, they can't legally exist, even if they do. But that's the whole point, isn't it? Hoping the homeless will just die quietly offscreen?

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desiccated_event 4 points 2 months ago

Not a single person in the whole of the world 'sits' before 10 hundred hours ante-merididan o'clock....

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janus2 18 points 2 months ago

yeah fuck you if you wanna enjoy the morning in the park i guess

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desiccated_event -7 points 2 months ago

My initial response is negative, but, i continue, only morning in the park?

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desiccated_event -12 points 2 months ago

Do you have a response that isn't woerhlwas and anger-inspiring?

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krusieagenda 4 points 2 months ago

You can open a Master Lock with a Master Lock.

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toxicbubble 3 points 2 months ago

as a former park worker, i would be so pissed if i had to lock and unlock all the benches twice a day, such s massive waste of time

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Bebopalouie 3 points 2 months ago

I am surprised they are even there at all. Better than no benches I guess.

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Murse 17 points 2 months ago

Tbh, I think I'd prefer no architecture to hostile architecture.

If we can't have a chair without malicious intent, we don't need the fucking chair.

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Bebopalouie 4 points 2 months ago

I can’t walk but about 2 meters at a time now. I think with my boomer brain. Seat, sit. But you are correct.

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Murse 13 points 2 months ago

You can take one for the team here: go there at 9a, walk a bit, collapse while trying to find somewhere to sit, then sue the fuck out of the state/county for discriminating against the infirm.

You get a pay day, hostile architecture gets treated as a liability instead of a solution. Win win!

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Bebopalouie 6 points 2 months ago

I am Canadian. We aren’t so sue’y up here. Sounds too much like work.

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bedwyr 3 points 2 months ago

This can't be for real right? Right?

Jesus christ. I don't even know where to start.

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arc99 3 points 2 months ago

A symptom of homelessness being a thing although it's a quite understandable mitigation too.

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BigTrout75 2 points 2 months ago

The should have just put wheels in them. Then they curious just roll the needy into shelters.

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krusieagenda 1 point 2 months ago

You can open a Master Lock with a Master Lock.

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