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rational_lib 38 points 2 years ago
Let's not keep making the mistake of assuming Trump's tweets have force of law. He's just talking out of his ass again, just like he's not actually invading greenland and canada. Notice how he's talking about at least 4 different actions here, I'm pretty sure none of which he can actually do. 5 if you count thanking us for our attention to this matter (?). If Trump tries to do anything in this regard no judge* will uphold it.
*Obligatory other than Clarence Thomas
laurelraven 17 points 2 years ago
Let's not keep making the mistake of assuming the rule of law matters at this point. If he does something and nobody stops it, its legality or lack there of is moot. If he says to do something and people do it and nobody stops him (or judge's rulings about it are ignored), then it doesn't matter that it was illegal.
I know you're just trying to get people to calm down, but at this point, people are right to be scared and right to think these things could actually come to pass considering it has happened before. Maybe it won't get that far... But plenty has already happened that should never have happened, and the US currently has a president who is illegally, specifically unconstitutionally, holding office and was allowed to be sworn in anyway, so it's probably not a good idea to assume this won't happen just because it's also unconstitutional.
Grandwolf319 3 points 2 years ago
Hey remember that wall that didn’t get built?
The fact that no one is trolling him about it shows how people are weirdly compliant about all this.
ceenote 141 points 2 years ago
I swallowed my misgivings and voted Democrat, just like I've done at each election since I turned 18, but handwaving away valid criticisms is not how you get people to side with you. Pressure needs to be put on the democrats to be better, too.
MagicShel 182 points 2 years ago
I'm 100% for valid criticisms—I don't even consider myself a Democrat and I have no compunctions about criticizing them when I think they are wrong. But I'm pretty sure that meme is directed at those who withheld their vote.
Addv4 30 points 2 years ago
It would be in theory, but mostly it's just spread around as how any protest against Israel cost the democrats the US election (despite how it was considered widely unpopular to support Israel's genocide by most democrats).
RedditRefugee69 15 points 2 years ago
Unfortunately it may have.
A lot of voters are stupid. They see Israel=Bad, Biden/Kamala = pro-Israel, they stay home.
TropicalDingdong 30 points 2 years ago
Shielding the Democrats from the pressure to adopt more popular positions lost this election.
EldritchFeminity 26 points 2 years ago
No, they were never going to do that. They've already said that they learned their lesson, and in 2026, they're gonna double down on the losing strategy that they've been running since Clinton was in office and run on building the wall on the Mexican border and deporting immigrants to court the moderate Republican vote that doesn't exist and never would vote for them even if it did.
By the Presidential election, it's already years too late to force them to actually do good things. Protest votes and withholding your vote have done nothing to stop the slide that led to Harris campaigning with Liz Cheney in tow in the 16 years that I've been voting. If you want change, it's only going to come by threatening the position of the people in charge of the party and replacing the old guard with people like AOC. Whoever gets elected President does neither of those things. Unless Krasnov declares the Democratic Party a terrorist organization and has them all arrested as political prisoners. But then we won't have to worry about voting ever again, just like he promised.
TropicalDingdong 12 points 2 years ago
A few things.
Firstly, we can dismiss the notion that the candidate can't be moved. The citation for that is Biden in 2020, who effectively campaigned during the primary as a moderate Republican, and until the southern states which we're never going to go blue anyways weighed in, was getting his ass handed to him. The Sunday before Super Tuesday, the rat-fuckening, Oblivious Warren. All that old history.
And then something remarkable happened. Biden opened the doors to the tent and invited the progressive wing of the party in. He handed the Bernie-crats the platform and said "have at it hoss". And it worked. Instead of disenfranchising the activist base, he embraced them, or at least, extended an olive branch by giving them the platform, without which he assuredly would have lost.
So: Candidates can be moved.
Second:
By the Presidential election, it’s already years too late to force them to actually do good things. Protest votes and withholding your vote have done nothing to stop the slide that led to Harris campaigning with Liz Cheney in tow in the 16 years that I’ve been voting.
Again. And I'm singling you out because you responded and well, here we are. This is an obtuse, bordering on bad faith interpretation of the argument being made. You aren't arguing with me. You are arguing with the millions of voters who stayed home for Kamala but showed up for Biden. And you moralizing about an objectively misguided application of strategic voting didn't/ doesn't/ won't/ change their votes. When your "strategic voting" strategy results in losing you the election, explain to me how and why its strategic?
You don't/ can't move millions of voters to a new position. Or at least it hasn't been shown to be possible (2016, 2024). Asking voters to "vote against" instead of "voting for" doesn't work and we now have so many receipts, that they will write text books on the matter. What can be done, is that the candidate can be moved. Its also been shown through an evidentiary process to work.
To summarize, candidates can be moved. Biden moved and won an election because of it. When you moralize about your own, demonstrated-to-be-wrong conception of strategic voting, you aren't arguing with me, you are arguing with the literally millions of people left on the table by the Democrats. A strategy that when examined before hand will clearly lose, the insistence of then implementing it becomes a "burn the world down" moralization to wash your own hands: Democratic voters who reliably show up, but did not, because the DNC got a hall pass from those making the exact arguments you are making here. They did not need to respond to criticism because this argument you are making shielded them. And it cost us all, practically everything.
givesomefucks 27 points 2 years ago
Yep, I voted D like I always did...
But I spent a lot of time ringing any alarm bell I could find that all of Joe and Kamal's moves to the right was gonna cost us the election, and that the victory fund would lose the House and Senate.
I was right on all counts, but the people I was trying to explain it won't admit that reality proved them wrong.
There's no criticism for what the party did wrong, only anger at anyone with higher standards than the letter by the name.
Neoliberals want nothing as much as they want blindly loyal Dem voters, it's the only way most people ever hold their noses and vote for one. But rather than have a candidate dem voters want, they'd rather risk trump.
When they shut on voters like in that meme, they're telling us they have zero problem watching the country burn. They'd rather have trump than a Dem who agrees with Dem voters.
thebardingreen 26 points 2 years ago
Not voting for them has never once, in the history of history, gotten them to change. It actually causes them to pull further right.
EldritchFeminity 4 points 2 years ago
Yep. Every time they've pulled farther right and lost, they've blamed the leftists for it for being too extremist in their policy demands or claiming that their issues aren't as important, like in the case with Millennials and housing costs, student debt, climate change, etc. Despite trying to make some headway on those issues, they've always refused to campaign on them.
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cosmicrookie 0 points 2 years ago
The argument, was the least bad between two bads. This is way worse than the alternative would ever get
corsicanguppy -2 points 2 years ago
handwaving away valid criticisms
If you look carefully, you'll find statements about how "neither option affects [this particular thing] but we have the best chance of fixing it after the election if we still have a country".
It was never handwaved. It was the least-worse option with some kind of hope given that issue and a thousand others. How many times this has fucking been fucking explained and not fucking understood.
YarHarSuperstar 7 points 2 years ago
Uh yes it was definitely hand-waved away by some "if you look carefully". It was only the "least-worse option" because so many were successfully manipulated by the system into being placated with crumbs so they wouldn't revolt at the thousands of other reasons we've had for years to fight back against this shit, pushing the Overton window to the right in increments and leading folks to not use or even possess or be taught in the first place the critical thinking skills required to inform oneself and take steps to make positive change, in this system designed to intentionally misinform and mislead us and pit us against each other so we vote for the same rich white men responsible for perpetuating this system and the harm it brings to all of us, especially marginalized communities.
I would recommend to you (and anyone who is interested in informing themselves on what is being done to us) to read "The Shock Doctrine" by Naomi Klein. It details this process of incremental change, and some of the strategies and parties previously and currently involved in taking control of our government (or at this point more like what's left of it).
(For clarity: I'm not saying both parties are the same, although their goals, tactics, and policies seem less different to me as time passes; I'm not making any general statement passing blame to any group of voters or non-voters in this comment, because I believe the bulk of the responsibility lies on the system and those who hold sway over large parts of it in the form of currency or legislation, for example; I'm not denying or invalidating that you may feel this way and/or believe it is true, I'm taking issue with your statement that "it was never handwaved", because I most certainly saw that happen and know people who to this day are clinging to that sentiment; I'm not saying harm reduction isn't the move or good policy, it is but there has to simultaneously be work being done on reducing or removing the source of that harm)
Edit: sorry for run-on sentences. working on it gradually and open to feedback
DarkFuture -5 points 2 years ago
Pressure needs to be put on the democrats to be better, too.
They're already 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000x better than Republicans. So someone would have to be pretty goddamn stupid not to vote for them when the options are them or Republicans.
The majority of the fault isn't on Democrats. It's on goddamn stupid braindead asshole American voters for being goddamn stupid braindead assholes.
houseofleft 22 points 2 years ago
I'm not American so nobody got my vote, but seems to me like the issue is with the swathes of people choosing facism rather than progressives who chose not to vote.
Choosing how to act in a world like ours is tricky, anyone following a sense of right and wrong (even if I disagree with their judgement) instead of fear, hate, greed or whatever gets a gold star in my book.
EldritchFeminity 11 points 2 years ago
Inaction is still a choice, though. I totally understand the sentiment behind that choice and even agree that we shouldn't be forced to choose genocide, but the alternative that we got is a man who not only wants the same genocide, but wants to accelerate it, put American boots on the ground to assist in it, and then turn the bloodied ground into resorts while also wanting to worsen life across the globe. So, by refusing to act, they didn't oppose that man getting into power. They cared so much about genocide that, ironically, they enabled making that genocide worse by not acting against that possibility.
The biggest issue, though, is with the people who couldn't be bothered enough to vote. Some, what, 40% of Americans never vote? Of course, there's plenty there who can't due to things like gerrymandering, but there's a huge swathe of white suburbanites who simply prefer the status quo to actually improving things.
EldritchFeminity 4 points 2 years ago
But thanks to the two party system, what effect does it have? And I'm specifically talking about the voting day of the presidential election here, not primaries or other elections. Because that's where those efforts will have the most impact. Not that the Dems deigned to give us even the illusion of a primary this election (or in 2016, truthfully), but so many of these people seem to shake their fist once every 4 years and then go to sleep like cicadas awaiting the next presidential election.
I don't blame people for hating the weak candidates that the Dems consistently push forward to maintain the old guards' leadership positions, but I do blame them for looking at the alternative and saying "I'm okay with the possibility of that man winning if I don't vote or vote third party." The chance of a Trump victory and all that it entailed was a line in the sand that they were willing to cross.
As a trans woman, I blame them for saying, "Your life is not worth biting the bullet for."
UltraGiGaGigantic 3 points 2 years ago
The biggest issue, though, is with the people who couldn’t be bothered enough to vote. Some, what, 40% of Americans never vote?
Sounds like First-past-the-post voting doesn't properly represent the population. Let's try a new electoral system to fix this. The people of Alaska switched to Ranked Choice and they had a referendum last election to go back to FPTP voting, and they didn't want to.
Videos on alternative voting systems
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
EldritchFeminity 1 point 2 years ago
I absolutely agree, though I know of at least one other place that tried it and had issues because nobody knew who the candidates were or what their positions were, but IIRC, there was some context to it that made it a "well, of course they had problems" situation instead of people just being too lazy to read up on the candidates (though that is a very real but solvable issue). Like there were 10 districts on the ballot with 6 open seats in each, and they had about 30 candidates per district or something crazy like that.
lobut 6 points 2 years ago
I feel a lot of people do a lot to justify stupid behaviour. "Saving is too hard" or "exercise is too hard". There's legit reasons to not be able to save, or exercise or being able to vote 🤨.
However there's a lot of bullshit that people were spouting. It's either a coordinated campaign or just dumb shit. What annoys me is everyone piling on Joe and then they did what people wanted and swapped to Kamala and they're still upset that the Dems "don't listen". Whatever, they're all full of it.
I fucking hate the Democrats but you have to be completely psycho to justify not-voting for them.
To be clear, I'm Canadian and I'm directly impacted by this now. So fuck all of those people.
UltraGiGaGigantic 2 points 2 years ago
While I did vote blue conservative (for the last time), they were not worthy of that vote because they did not represent me. That's how representative democracy works. What you advocate for is not representative democracy, it is a hostage situation and should be treated like the crisis that that entails.
Why are you okay with people being underrepresented at the voting booth? Are you actively working to replace First Past the Post voting in your state? People should have the freedom to vote for the candidates they believe are best, while still ensuring their votes count against those they don’t want in office.
It's not as though democrats are just now learning of the mathematical flaws of FPTP. Every election I've seen the same bullshit excuses to take people's inalienable right to vote how they want. Democrats in blue states made a choice to leave a huge portion of the population unrepresented, all for safe states and easy elections.
We don’t need to wait for a miracle from Congress, we can pass election reform one state at a time. Should we have more elections, we must remove the democratic monopoly on this fight against the republicans. Don't worry, blue conservative, you will be free to vote for your preference under a more representative electoral system. Because who would want to deny someone the right to vote for the person they feel is best? You apparently.
Alaska has already abolished FPTP voting. After Ranked Choice Voting kept Sarah Palin out of office, Alaskan Republicans tried to pass a referendum to revert to FPTP, but the people voted to keep Ranked Choice. Why would you want to use the same voting system that Republicans favor? Do you support democracy, or do you get off on forcing people unrepresented in government to vote for your preference?
Videos on alternative voting systems
First Past The Post voting (What most states use now)
Videos on alternative electoral systems we can try out.
DarkFuture -3 points 2 years ago
Your comment's downvotes = how many profoundly stupid people who STILL haven't learned from their mistake there are out there.
crusa187 -6 points 2 years ago
Nobody pushing genocide is worthy of votes or support.
It was incumbent on Dems to EARN votes, and they failed spectacularly. You’re wrong to try blaming voters for failings of our corrupt politicians.
snugglesthefalse 1 point 2 years ago
So this includes trump for his support of two separate groups that have demonstrated willingness to commit genocide.
Taldan -2 points 2 years ago
Will you still be saying that when Trump puts a resort in Gaza?
Trump has made it crystal clear: He plans for the complete and total ethnuc cleansing of Gaza. All Palestinians will be killed or removed
That's what Arab and Palestinian Americans chose when they voted for Trump
UltraGiGaGigantic 0 points 2 years ago
Will you still be saying that when Trump puts a resort in Gaza?
Yes. Will you refuse to demand electoral reform in your state so the people of this nation can vote outside the two party system without a spoiler effect? Will you refuse to do anything about those who are without representation? Will you refuse democracy?
givesomefucks 13 points 2 years ago
They only had $1,500,000,00 to spend on Biden/Harris....
How is that supposed to counter the majority of Dem voters not wanting the Dem candidate?
What are they supposed to do?
Run a fair primary, back the winning candidate in the general, and stop bankrupting state parties?!
George Clooney doesn't eat dinner for free ya know....
TropicalDingdong -25 points 2 years ago
Ahh. This bullshit trope from the class of people basically responsible for Trump winning the 2024 election.
fartsparkles 21 points 2 years ago
Sorry, did you just blame the people who didn’t vote for Trump for being responsible for Trump being president? Interesting mental gymnastics there…
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fartsparkles 4 points 2 years ago
Which is a fantastic way to get people to care more about politics
TropicalDingdong 14 points 2 years ago
There are no mental gymnastics, and unless you've been absent in the debate since it began in 2023, it's been one conversation regarding the direction of the Democratic party, with effectively two camps.
The first camp, effectively taking the party line and acting as cheerleaders of the DNC, have taken a "No critisism of the Democratic Party is acceptable; voters need to move to the positions of the DNC" approach.
The second camp took a "The DNC needs to be better and acknowledge it's shortcomings, and make changes when necessary. The DNC needs to align itself with DNC voters and the party base."
The first camp, for the first 8 months of 2024, insisted we had to run Joe Biden. That there were no other possibilities, options, or potential outcomes. They defended the approach the DNC took to the primary process, which was by any measure, the least democratic primary they party had ever held.
The second camp raged at the preposterous farce which was the DNC primary. They pointed out that Bidens poll numbers were so bad he basically had no chance of winning. That by insisting on this losing strategy we were losing critical time.
Bans were made, here, regarding this debate. And the first camp was wrong. There was another way possible.
After the candidates were swapped the first camp further insured that people just needed to move to where the DNC was, after taking effectively a pro genocide, Republican lite campaign philosophy as an outcome of the convention.
The second camp pointed out that this would lose the DNC the election, that we needed our focus to be on moving the candidate to a more popular, more electable position.
The first camp won the argument and lost us all the war, because their fundamental belief in what is being argued and whom they are arguing with is wrong. The first camp is responsible for the millions of votes difference between Kamala and Biden, because they insisted on this losing strategy.
zea_64 8 points 2 years ago
I'm sure the first camp exists, but you should not imply that everyone who voted Democrat and wanted people to vote Democrat was that. I did that, and I encourage everyone to criticize their horrible decisions and actions, of which there are depressingly many.
I'd love it if we pressured them to not be quite as horrible, but at the same time I did not want the Republican party to win control because I knew they'd be worse for people in almost every way. And now, as a trans person, I have to worry about what I won't be allowed to do anymore, or how they'll try to make my life worse just for existing. Sending a signal or whatever you think Democrats losing does does not justify the new shit minorities will face now.
fartsparkles 4 points 2 years ago
Makes sense; sow further division in the groups who don’t like Trump so there’s less opposition to him.
BlameTheAntifa 260 points 2 years ago
“…illegal protest…”?
Oh right, the US Constitution doesn’t exist any more.
YtA4QCam2A9j7EfTgHrH 38 points 2 years ago
You are not wrong. The Supreme Court finding presidential immunity and then allowing an insurrectionist to run in contravention of the 14th amendment seems to have finally put the old document to rest.
TheRedSpade 4 points 2 years ago
Correct
TropicalDingdong 240 points 2 years ago
This is the same as the Zelensky trap. They're going to cut federal funding regardless. The just plan on getting you to bend the knee before hand.
Olorin 100 points 2 years ago
This exactly. Higher education hurts them in the long run so it was never going to get a pass. It’ll be gutted so that private schools can take over. This is just a way to put the blame on the universities and students who don’t bend to their will.
TropicalDingdong 26 points 2 years ago
It’ll be gutted so that private schools can take over
Maybe. If it resists. If it fails to resist it will be turned into an institution responsible for communicating a fascist ideology.
usernamesAreTricky 192 points 2 years ago
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances
1st ammendment to the constitution since conservatives love to claim they support it
Letstakealook 106 points 2 years ago
Ah! But it says "congress shall make no law," not that "the president shall tweet no bullshit!"
Contramuffin 20 points 2 years ago
The constitution also didn't say "the president shall give a shit about the law"
Rookie mistake, IMO
grue 8 points 2 years ago
It literally did, minus your contemporary idiom:
he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed,
(It's called the "take care clause" and is part of Article II, Section 3, in case anybody wants to look it up.)
Not that it matters anymore, after Trump v. United States.
RandomVideos 2 points 2 years ago
It was the first time they were writing a constitution. Obviously they were rookies
jjjalljs 14 points 2 years ago
Laws only matter if they are enforced.
The right wing doesn't care about law or consistency. They care about in-groups to protect and out groups to bind.
If "how do treat strangers" is a viable metric for assessing if someone is a good person or not, the the right wing are not good people.
obinice 12 points 2 years ago
Yeah but they're gonna rewrite the constitution, it's gonna be the best constitution the founding fathers will be jealous they didn't come up with this thing it's gonna be airtight and on the blockchain
SoleInvictus 6 points 2 years ago
Yeah, it's way too woke. Same with Jesus.
chiliedogg 4 points 2 years ago
Congress isn't making a law. Instead, the President is committing treason while his party pretends not to notice and the other party flops around like a dead fish.
houstoneulers 146 points 2 years ago
What's an illegal protest? I thought first amendment speech covered that
Also, how can he expel a student from a school he doesn't control? or does he mean expel students from the country?
something_random_tho 121 points 2 years ago
This happened before: https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Sophie_Scholl
a German student and anti-Nazi political activist, active within the White Rose non-violent resistance group in Nazi Germany. She was convicted of high treason after having been found distributing anti-war leaflets at the University of Munich(LMU) with her brother, Hans.
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brbposting 24 points 2 years ago
RIP hero
Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did.
rockerface 7 points 2 years ago
Also, happening right now in russia with any anti-war protests
Tattorack 110 points 2 years ago
The amount of times I've heard salty right wing grifters complain about Orwellian censorship on literally everything. But I guess it's just fine if cult leader Trump does it, because he stands for what's right and sticks it to those progressive plebs, right?
NoneOfUrBusiness 11 points 2 years ago
Either we stop the storytellers or we make better stories that people will want to repeat.
We do have better stories: the stories or class conflict and workers solidarity. It's just that the people in power would rather fascists win than let those stories reach the people that need to hear them.
TimewornTraveler 2 points 2 years ago
hey, just chiming in to say I really do appreciate your perspective -- Narrative therapy is a real tool that can help people. and yet i think by implying that a narrative is "worse" if it doesn't "work", you're overlooking the force of other systemic factors. just think about the logistics of these stories reaching people's ears. who has command over our attention? what narratives are people exposed to on a day-to-day basis? where does the power lie behind those messages? the idea that the best narrative is the one that thrives is akin to meritocratic thinking -- a demonstrably flawed system.
ShotDonkey 1 point 2 years ago
I cannot upvote this comment as much as I would want to upvote it.
Can you give examples of what you think might be working stories?
Bakkoda 6 points 2 years ago
It's just them wanting to a) be right (when it's usually not the case) and 2) the other viewpoint to be silent immediately. They fuckin love censorship because first amendment only applies to them and theirs.
noxypaws 100 points 2 years ago
All federal funding will stop
That's the only part here anyone needs to know.
He'll threaten to pull funding for his stupid pet issues first, then pull it anyways for everyone else.
Therefore, fucking ignore his threats, nothing you can do will ever appease him and he will go back on his own word like it's a bodily function.
MellowYellow13 90 points 2 years ago
Ill do whatever the fuck I want bitch, shut the fuck up and go suck Elons dick.
birne 80 points 2 years ago
Does "NO MASKS" mean that choosing to wear a mask to protect your health is now forbidden at colleges or is there another meaning that I don't understand? It is so random and has nothing to do with the rest of the post except for being "woke".
IrateAnteater 66 points 2 years ago
Probably making wearing any mask while protesting illegal, regardless of the legality of the protest itself.
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Darkassassin07 29 points 2 years ago
There's a lot of things he's not supposed to be able to do.
Until America actually does anything about it; he's got free rein to do whatever the hell he wants.
Atelopus-zeteki 26 points 2 years ago
I live in the SW, where bandanas are part of our cultural heritage. I should go pass out bandanas at our state colleges and universities.
compostgoblin 16 points 2 years ago
He’s not supposed to be able to. We’ll see if the administration follows his orders or the existing law, or if they’ll listen to court orders. My hopes are, unfortunately, not high.
CosmicTurtle0 7 points 2 years ago
Yeah a lot of states passed "you must carry a doctor's note to wear a mask in public" laws during COVID.
I've written to my Republican state lawmaker only to receive a form reply.
brucethemoose 5 points 2 years ago
Masks are for hiding your identity.
But perhaps the double context is intentional.
FundMECFSResearch 13 points 2 years ago
For loads of clinically vulnerable people, the right to protest is dependent on the right to mask. You can only risk going to a crowded protest if you’re allowed to use protective measures to prevent infections.
turbowafflz 27 points 2 years ago
Yeah but there are a bunch of "I'm going to not vote to 'send a message'! who cares if that makes the nazis win?" types
Robust_Mirror 4 points 2 years ago
I don't think Lemmy was really big enough to have THAT many bots. And at least of the ones I saw, if they were bots they're doing an incredibly good job of making them blend, since many had a history of generally normal commenting before that time, and have continued posting normally since.
blind3rdeye 3 points 2 years ago
Previously I thought almost all of them were, but then I found out that someone I've known for years hold that view. Any mention that maybe voting for the democrats would be a good idea results in an angry speech about genocide; which somehow (I'm not sure how) even has them lean towards Trump.
I appreciate the staunch opposition to genocide. But its kind of weird to see someone take a single issue so strongly to heart that their reasoning ends up inverted such that the candidate they favour is worse even on their one issue.
irreticent 1 point 2 years ago
That reminds me, I wonder what @Linkerbaan@lemmy.world is up to these days.
Paging @linkerbaan@lemmy.ml.
MellowYellow13 9 points 2 years ago
You need an actual opposition party then. Blaming non voters is the dumbest thing you can fucking do and will make your situation worse and worse
AoxoMoxoA 4 points 2 years ago
I agree.
Labor party, Democrat, republican/ conservative, maga, etc. . And cut it out with this D/R bullshit. It's maddening. There are people that have a serious moral issue casting a vote for some of the choices given.
I'm sure a lot of the people who sat it out are more informed and upset with what is going on than some of those that "chose the lesser evil". They have every right to be furious.
blind3rdeye 2 points 2 years ago
The opposition party could obviously be better, but I think they were strong enough that "no preference" wasn't the right choice. (After all, choosing not to vote is essentially a vote that says "I don't care who wins".)
bent_on_mycelial_growth -2 points 2 years ago
Right, because the people who voted against trump are the ones that can--in a single election--dismantle and oppressive two party system crafted by an oligarchy feeding people the illusion of choice so they won't riot. Of course the few of us who understand this and actually voted for the candidate with the best shot are able to do this. And of course we should have done this before all of the mass voter fraud being uncovered could lead to Trump taking an office he didn't actually win. You're absolutely right. Let me call everyone up and let them know we need to regroup.
MisanthropiCynic -2 points 2 years ago
The DNC are Nazis that just focus on different issues
Gradually_Adjusting 3 points 2 years ago
We all know opinions are like assholes, but this one wasn't even wiped
WhatThaFudge 2 points 2 years ago
I swear I saw lots of "Genocide Joe" people around before the election so there must be some overlap of at least bots.. now where are these ppl when it comes to Trump's beach resort proposal of ethnic cleansing?
Gradually_Adjusting 1 point 2 years ago
I try not to let perfect be the enemy of good, but I do my bit to make them feel unwelcome.
WarlockoftheWoods 3 points 2 years ago
Boy, you really told those rednecks who have no idea how to use the internet outside of Facebook! I'll bet they won't make that mistake again!
WarlockoftheWoods 0 points 2 years ago
Everyone who is a US citizen and didn't vote, comment "HERE" please
helloworld55 71 points 2 years ago
This is absolutely absurd. People have a right to a lawful assembly.
Anyone supporting this guy is insane. Literally trying to become an emperor
collapse_already 68 points 2 years ago
What does he think "illegal" means? Is he getting rid of the first amendment?
infinitesunrise 67 points 2 years ago
Well there you go kids, he just explicitly named exactly all the things you should be doing.
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EldritchFeminity 15 points 2 years ago
AnarchistsForKamala 2 points 2 years ago
no one wanted my memes before the election
PanArab 58 points 2 years ago
I remember when the Democrats brought down the hammer hard on anti-genocide protestors in universities. Trump is doing the same, but expanding it to all protests.
May 10, 2024 Map: Where university protesters have been arrested across the United States
Bubbaonthebeach 57 points 2 years ago
Isn't this the exact type of thing the 2nd Amendment types were supposed to have their guns and militia to guard against?
billwashere 56 points 2 years ago
I didn’t think it was possible to hate this fucker more and more each day and yet here we are.
“Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
John F. Kennedy
SolidShake 54 points 2 years ago
ive seen a lot of nazi protesters with masks on though. what about those cunts?
ZombieMantis 53 points 2 years ago
Blue states need to start up their own shadow government, fund their own shit.
DarkFuture 40 points 2 years ago
Californian here.
We should stop paying federal taxes.
We have a ton of money, a ton of military installations, and 1 in 8 Americans IS a Californian. Washington and Oregon join us, and we'd be in even better shape. Canada can get in on the action too.
A felon rapist traitor and his traitor party is making our Constitution irrelevant. Time to start looking out for ourselves.
mojofrododojo 23 points 2 years ago
WA state here - it's ridiculous that I have to subsidize chuds in Mississippi and Louisiana when they won't even give their citizens human rights. they're all about fiscal responsibility until it comes to paying their own fucking bills.
edit: love the chudvotes, do we have some cranky MS and LA types? pay your fucking bills jerkfaces. fuck, half your budgets come from federal funds we pour more into.
alcoholicorn -2 points 2 years ago
Federal taxes don't actually work that way. The federal government prints its own money. All taxes effectively go into a giant shredder and are unrelated to spending.
MonkeMischief 3 points 2 years ago
"But I em le' tiiiired..."
"Zen take a nap...ZEN FIRE ZE MISSLEZ!!"
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ZombieMantis 1 point 2 years ago
I'm not sure that's feasible, since the states don't just sign a check to the Feds once a year, it's paid via payroll taxes. To my knowledge, there is no kind of mechanism for entire states to collectively refuse payment.
ZombieMantis 1 point 2 years ago
Well, yes, but I meant they to pool their budgets amongst themselves, like a mini federal government.
OmegaMan 7 points 2 years ago
That costs money in state taxes, and the GOP is working on reducing the state and local tax deductions in the federal tax code. Making states who are trying to create good living conditions for their citizens prohibitively expensive to live in. It's horse shit.
vodkasolution 52 points 2 years ago
Americans, you are living under a fascist regime.
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toaster 41 points 2 years ago
Archived link so we do not give him traffic.
https://archive.is/vzZ8k
brbposting 3 points 2 years ago
Got a good person out there mirroring those “Truths” too
This one’s at:
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ChiefGyk3D 47 points 2 years ago
"illegal protests" Pretty sure Freedom of Speech and Assembly is part of the first amendment. He's a putz
cosmicrookie 43 points 2 years ago
At this point and with all these new and ilogical rules, Trump is basically Dolores Umbridge!
We need a giant to take him down!
sasquatch7704 42 points 2 years ago
Two minutes later: we don't have enough skilled people to make Teslas and computer chips.
Four minutes later: I have an idea, let's hire immigrants.
Six minutes later: we hate immigrants, they are stealing our jobs.
truthfultemporarily 3 points 2 years ago
The judiciary only has power if the executive accepts that it has power.
Zink 39 points 2 years ago
“Thank you for your attention to this matter.”
Every time I scroll past this image, that’s the line that gets me. Bold threatening declaration by fascist dictator, then ends like a work email reminding you not to leave food in the cafeteria fridge over the weekend.
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RichieRich 35 points 2 years ago
What can you say to that? The Americans knew what they were getting into. They elected a fascist to power who is abolishing democracy. In case you didn't know it yet, let me tell you: America is on the way to becoming a dictatorship.
VinnyDaCat 29 points 2 years ago
I used to be the pride of my family for having finished college. Now it's demonized by them.
I feel for the students of today. College was an important time for me. I experienced a lot of new ideas, my mind was opened. I didn't get to do much in grad school, but my first four years of college changed me and I wouldn't be the same without those experiences. The way the situation is escalating we may see colleges completely locked down or even abolished.
But_my_mom_says_im_cool 29 points 2 years ago
No masks, says the guy with the supporters wearing masks and carrying nazi flags
jaggedrobotpubes 28 points 2 years ago
So we do it more.
Hatshepsut 27 points 2 years ago
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We need something like this for daytime.
Also, read up on what they are ultimately going for: Eliminating the First Amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
pivot_root 17 points 2 years ago
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Trump supporters: "that's fine, the president isn't congress"
Jumpingspiderman 26 points 2 years ago
I'm not in his district but I was so impressed by Rep. AL Green's (https://algreen.house.gov/about) courage in standing up to and calling out Krasnov's and the GOP's lies yesterday that I wanted to donate some money. Unlike all the impotent, sclerotic clowns who call themselves the Dem "leadership" and constantly ask me for money whilst the most they do are write "Strongly worded letters" and finger wagging, Rep. Green's website was all about service to his district. I literally could not find a way to donate to him. But he is now a hero of mine. If only HE or one of the few with his courage and fire were leading the Dems. I wish he were 20 years younger. He'd have made a great president.
Grizzlyboy 26 points 2 years ago
The American people need to take the French route. “Off with their heads!”
theacharnian 25 points 2 years ago
But yesterday he said that free speech was back?
bestboyfriendintheworld 24 points 2 years ago
American university students can protest for weeks over Palestine, but don’t show up when their own country is taken over by a fascist.
DarkFuture 24 points 2 years ago
Man, I wish this country still had the balls to deal with traitors the way they're supposed to be dealt with.
RubberElectrons 21 points 2 years ago
I'm masking and spray painting cameras. Cry about it, butterball.
smokin_shinobi 19 points 2 years ago
We need to be taking to the streets now. He’s purging the military so when we finally do there won’t be any dissent when he orders them to flatten us.
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Hobbes_Dent 18 points 2 years ago
The country that did the Million Man March would rather cuck for this guy now.
Yes daddy. Ok daddy. You’re so manly we love you.
MortUS 18 points 2 years ago
We really need to tax the mega rich. I compiled this list of numbers after the President speech last night, it's kinda wild:
$ 99,000 - National Median Income is less than $100 thousand.
$ 1,000,000 - 1 Million Dollars.
$ 485,000,000 - Cut Funds to International Relations and whatever.
$ 1,000,000,000 - 1 Billion Dollars. There are over 400 Billionaires in America.
$ 22,000,000,000 - Cut Funds to American Social Serivces through HHS (Human & Health Services).
$ 244,000,000,000 - Elon Musks Net Worth.
$ 1,620,000,000,000 - 1 Trillion Dollars - Meta (Facebooks) Corporate Net Worth.
$19,900,000,000,000 - The U.S. National Debt in Jan 2017 (Obama to Trump)
$27,800,000,000,000 - The U.S. National Debt in Jan 2021 (Trump to Biden)
$36,000,000,000,000 - The U.S. National Debt in Jan 2025 (Biden to Trump)
snowst0mper 16 points 2 years ago
One step closer to dictatorship
FauxLiving 15 points 2 years ago
No Masks!
Yeah, okay. With a pandemic on?
You gotta at least wear a surgical mask in public for your health, in minecraft.
Your doctor could probably write you a recommendation, prior to the protest, in case you have any legal issues.
meme_historian 14 points 2 years ago
truly a champion for free speech 🤡
magic_lobster_party 14 points 2 years ago
He love the uneducated
CileTheSane 13 points 2 years ago
Illegal protests? Isn't protesting legal? Freedom of speech and all that...
technocrit 12 points 2 years ago
Yes, fuck this. And fuck the previous guy and every president before that.
Ledericas 12 points 2 years ago
some colleges in the west are already suffering from low enrollment as it is to the point they had to slash faculty and classes depending on the field, and some schools are even worst off(this is mostly for state univ that arnt very prestigious), more than likely he will do this to most liberal colleges, and it will quickly depopulate the already dwindling student body in some schools. also the one-to-punch of anti-intellectual and the funding for research is also in jeopardy. more expensive schools with more prestige much be able to weather this, since they are less likely to be affected by these cuts that the schools are going through currently at lower levels.
A_Chilean_Cyborg 10 points 2 years ago
I'm so fkng tired to see American politics even on the salad.
werefreeatlast 9 points 2 years ago
How much for our first amendment? .....that'll be $24 billon please! You get the presidency too if you're famous. Feel free to grab people by their pussy. Enjoy!
surph_ninja 9 points 2 years ago
Too bad Dems just set the precedent for him to do this. And make no mistake, they will help Trump serve Israel before they help us oppose him.
DragonsInARoom 9 points 2 years ago
King Trump be like
GoofSchmoofer 8 points 2 years ago
"You know the best strategy to counter this is to do nothing, it will burn itself out after awhile. If a few people die or get imprisoned well that's okay as long as I don't have to do anything difficult or will affect my portfolio and control. "
obviously I made this quote up but it is how I feel about the people in power that say they are against this administration but really are doing jack shit to support or engage the population. Sure there are some that are doing somethings and I appreciate that, but fuck man do most of the "opposition" party really not have a spine? Like what the fuck, there are millions of citizens that are genuinely scared for their life and freedom and all we are getting is crickets...
BigMacHole 8 points 2 years ago
Don't worry! Once the people who Defend the Constitution after SCORES OF 6 YEAR OLDS GET MOWED DOWN BY A GUNMAN hear about this they'll be PISSED and Take Action!
werefreeatlast 7 points 2 years ago
Now apply that law retroactively to catch all women's March supporters cuz fuck women right? And then all the other civil rights matches before women's. They're gonna catch me for protesting migrants Rights during prop 187?? Back in 1998? Those were the days...just the government trying to fuck up the world slowly with room for lube. Trump is power tool going full send after everyone's rights. WTF get the guy out already!!!!
HappySkullsplitter 7 points 2 years ago
Trump's such a petty bitch
bennypr0fane 6 points 2 years ago
But this isn't really a meme. Just a screenshot of madness.
HappySkullsplitter 5 points 2 years ago
He knows people can see this, right?
FartsWithAnAccent 5 points 2 years ago
"Guess I will just get sick and fucking die."
-Everyone with an autoimmune disease
HexesofVexes 4 points 2 years ago
Sure are a lot of suckers making policy over in the USA at the moment...
Hellsfire29 4 points 2 years ago
Is this really a science meme?
conditional_soup 3 points 2 years ago
Hey, completely unrelated note, who here has watched Winter on Fire?
theroofisonfire 3 points 2 years ago
Fuck this is correct.
leaky_shower_thought 3 points 2 years ago
mr. grab-em-by-the-funding doing his thing.
UltraGiGaGigantic 3 points 2 years ago
Pretty sure the colleges were doing this on their on volition. No need to reiterate president trump, they have the situation under control.
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samus12345 1 point 2 years ago
So make sure you protest off campus so the school can't be blamed!
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MithranArkanere 1 point 2 years ago
I wonder how will be the US's method for 'accidental demise' moving foward.
Defenestration is already taken by Russia, but Trump is not that original, so I'm guessing he'll use the same method, considering he's working form Putin and all.
sooks76 1 point 10 months ago
There is no such thing as an illegal protest… especially in the US. The US prides itself to the rest of the world about its people’s freedom and liberties. So don’t give any attention to such nonsense as it will only give it power. Be mindful of where & what you give your power to.. it’s what they feed off. Just blow them away with your breath with a gentle whisper of “fuck off” as you exhale 🌬️
deadbeef79000 0 points 2 years ago
Jesus wept.
If only y'all had some sort of constitution with some sort of amendment that ment you had free speech and another that said you had weapons with which to defend said constitution.
yournamehere -2 points 2 years ago
LOL
...i mean you gotta give the orange one credit for making a show every day.
Majorllama -2 points 2 years ago
In no way am I defending this behavior but wouldn't this only apply to public universities and colleges? The many that are technically private property can entirely ignore this correct?
shoulderoforion -39 points 2 years ago
science meme? ok, i'll bite. fuck this indeed, imagine being Jewish in the past year, and being harassed and bullied from the "from the river to the sea" folks on campus, made to feel unsafe and targeted, not because you're Israeli, but simply because you're Jewish, and when you complain, being met with feckless and indignant school administration saying "free speech bro". broken clock right twice a day, and all that. time to make American Jihadis, and the nihilist leftists that support them, think twice, about what it's going to cost them to continue to terrorize Jews. this all could have been self policed, limits placed internally at just how far and how intense the "protests" were allowed to become, but it was an orgy of Antisemitism, and now, at least this Jew, is glad the hammer is coming down, though I wish it were from someone else, i'm glad for it just the same
MudMan 17 points 2 years ago
I mean, fuck antisemitism in any form, obviously...
...but I'm going to say "allow fascists to eliminate freedom of protest" has a spotty track record improving that particular issue.
This guy is in power in no small part due to whatever definition for not-fascist Americans you want to use not showing up because they feel compromise is beneath them. Maybe it's time to learn that lesson.
Well, no, the time to learn that lesson was November. I guess it's finding out time. For people too rightfully indignant about the genocide in Gaza to look past their own noses and to people in your situation alike, I'm afraid.
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Bonifratz 9 points 2 years ago
Friendly reminder that Trump refused to condemn a group of white supremacists chanting "Jews will not replace us".
He is not on your side. And, if history is any indication, allowing government to control speech and expression by fascist means is much more dangerous to Jews than any group of student protesters could ever be.
brucethemoose 6 points 2 years ago
This position is interesting. It's echoed in articles like:
Sometimes couched as anti-Israel, we find supporters of discrimination in their spheres of influence, including Rep. Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.) and Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.), spouting prejudices with hubris while their party’s leadership, Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, remain mostly silent.
German Jews recognize they safely exist only through police protection, who park outside German synagogues to prevent anti-Semitic violence. In Poland, the home of Auschwitz, anti-Semitism has become so accepted it blatantly is part of the platform of the National Democratic Party, known as “Endeks.”
And they assert this bit of history as evidence:
From 1921 to 1935, there was a group named the Association of German National Jews (Verband national Deutsche Juden), whose goal was the total assimilation of Jews into German culture; the self-eradication of Jewish identity; the expulsion of all Eastern European Jews from Germany; and a radical hatred of Zionism. Sadly, these seem like the same goals of many Jews in America choosing to deny the faith and practices of their ancestors in favor of secularizing themselves. On some level — often unconscious — they believe if they deny their Judaism and go along with the anti-Semitic rhetoric, non-Jewish Americans will better accept them. Unfortunately, they are avoiding looking at history.
To me, it sounds like the argument is being framed as "us" Jews and "them" Jews making the mistake of trying to homogenize. That's tremendously ironic, as this type of thinking is exactly what led them to support Nazi Germany. The exact kind of language Trump use, aggressive, bombastic pursuit of "agitators" as undesirables, of ignoring antisemites and bigots Trump associates himself with, of dismissing his speech as a "rhetorical tool," is what German Jewish groups believed would protect them... Until Nazis came for them, too.
Maybe antisemetic violence should be curbed, but you should consider what's actually causing it, and how that "curbing" will be done.
shoulderoforion -6 points 2 years ago
"The Jews are the cause of Antisemitism" yes, how novel, why didn't anyone else think of that, oh, that's right, literally every other band of Antisemites throughout all time have used that line of reasoning,"why can't the Jews, you know, be less Jewish, we are absolutely within our rights to terrorize them until they see the light". "Maybe antisemitic violence should be curbed" "Maybe". Quite.
vatlark 6 points 2 years ago
I'm sure it must be a stressful time for Jewish people. All hate crime is horrible. Many people, Jewish and non-Jewish, oppose the actions of Israel.
I do hope the protests, to stop US arms being sent to Israel, grow in strength. And I do what I can personally to help.
When looking at the numbers its no exaggeration to say that the Palestinian people are being slaughtered by the Israel military.
- On October 7, 2023 Israel was attacked killing 1200 Israelis. Israel's response to the attack has been completely disproportionate and has now (as of June 2024) killed over 7,797 children. In the same time the conflict killed 53 children in Israel.
- The most conservative estimate is that 7,797 Palestinian children have been killed, in the same time it is estimated that the total Israeli casualties; including military and civilian, including men, women, and children is 1200.
- on April 24, 2024 with many thousands of Palestinian children already dead, the US gave 14 billion in aid to Israel
- Neither US political party is stopping this.
Here are my sources, I am always interested to have other sources.
- I tried to pick from a range of sources and tried to include any statistic that made my argument weakest. Most of the numbers come from June to August of 2024.
- How many Palestinians have been killed? May 2024 Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said 30,000 https://time.com/6979208/israel-gaza-death-toll/ The Gaza Ministry of Health said that 36,379 people had been killed by the end of May 2024, https://apnews.com/... The associated press reported 40,005 in August 2024. https://apnews.com/...
- How many of the Palestinian deaths were combatants? hamas officials say 6000 to 8000 https://www.reuters.com/..., https://time.com/6979208/israel-gaza-death-toll/ Netanyahu says 14,000 combatants https://time.com/6979208/israel-gaza-death-toll/
- How many of the Palestinian deaths were civilians? Many articles state that most of the Palestinian death records don't include combatant/non-combatant designations. The most common statistic given in this context is deaths of women and children. of those killed 58 to 48% were women and children https://www.jpost.com/... of 24,686 identified casualties: 7,797 children (32%), 4,959 women (20%), 1,924 elderly (8%) https://www.unocha.org/... Netanyahu said "probably around 16,000 civilians have been killed" https://www.politifact.com/...
- How many Israelis have been killed? 1,200 in israel plus 320 israeli combatants in Gaza https://www.unocha.org/... 1,200 in the oct 7 2023 attack https://www.timesofisrael.com/...
- How many of the Israeli deaths were combatants? 318 of the 1,200 killed in the oct 7 2023 attack were combatants: https://www.timesofisrael.com/...
- How many of the Israeli deaths were civilians? of the 1,162 identified fatalities, at least 33 were children https://www.unocha.org/... 53 children killed in israel https://apnews.com/...
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