Ban of "Nicole" images and potential doxing

a year ago by lwadmin to c/lemmyworld

Hello world,

as many of you may already be aware, there is an ongoing spam attack by a person claiming to be Nicole.

It is very likely that these images are part of a larger scale harassment campaign against the person depicted in the images shared as part of this spam.

Although the spammer claims to be the person in the picture, we strongly believe that this is not the case and that they're only trying to frame them.

Starting immediately, we will remove any images depicting "Nicole" and information that may lead to identifying the real person depicted in those images to prevent any possible harassment.
This includes older posts and comments once identified.

We also expect moderators to take action if such content is reported.

While we do not intend to punish people posting this once, not being aware of the context, we may take additional actions if they continue to post this content, as we consider this to be supporting the harassment campaign.

Discussion that does not include the images themselves or references that may lead to identifying the real person behind the image will continue to be allowed.

If you receive spam PMs please continue reporting them and we'll continue working on our spam detections to attempt to identify them early before they reach many users.

Mpatch 334 points a year ago

I gotta give it to you guys. The foresight to prevent a disaster is 10/10. Top tier. Well done.

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MrKaplan 212 points a year ago

to be honest, this should have been done way earlier.

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5too 85 points a year ago

Still glad you're doing it now!

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finitebanjo 9 points a year ago

I saw a theory a while back that the IPs which receive the various images get logged allowing the recipients accounts to be tied to an IP and possibly even a physical address based on the timeframe it was sent. Is that a real concern or just conspiracy, do you think?

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MrKaplan 23 points a year ago

That appears to be a baseless conspiracy theory.

Except for the gore pms, I believe all the images have been uploaded to Lemmy instances or Imgur, which means that the uploader has no way to track IPs accessing those images. The gore images were uploaded to another service that at least on the surface appears to be another regular image hoster that wouldn't expose IP access logs to uploaders.

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Aphelion 7 points a year ago

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rickyrigatoni 1 point a year ago

I find it difficult to believe there are enough fediverse users not using a VPN at all times to make that effort worthwhile.

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TriflingToad 2 points a year ago

most people don't. the only device I have that runs a VPN 24/7 is a laptop that seeds
I use a VPN on everything else if I'm doing something sketchy though

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HubertManne 3 points a year ago

You know it had not even crossed my mind until this post but on hindsight it makes perfect sense.

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givesomefucks 49 points a year ago

It's pretty obvious ...

What's scary is how many people just accepted that some woman wanted to randomly spam thousands of pictures with her smoking weed.

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lath 20 points a year ago

Maybe they're used to onlyfans bots.

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givesomefucks 8 points a year ago

That would make since if any of the pictures were selfies and not random screen grabs off a webcam

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pyre 1 point a year ago

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dojan 13 points a year ago

Foresight? This has been going on for several months.

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Mac 6 points a year ago

I took the comment as sarcasm. lol

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lord_ryvan 0 points a year ago

You forgot this /s

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CarbonatedPastaSauce 259 points a year ago

Yeah it seemed funny at first but the longer this went on the creepier it got as we all realized this isn't just a catfish.

Whoever is doing this to the actual person in the photos is a terrible human being and should go climb under a rock for the rest of their lives.

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recklessengagement 66 points a year ago

Agreed. When the images started to change it got really creepy.

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wisely 11 points a year ago

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TacoSocks 33 points a year ago

I've seen several different images and there was a video on peertube. All of them look like content from a hacked webcam.

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Ghoelian 16 points a year ago

Yeah, that's what I thought from the very first DM I received. It looks like Shea totally unaware a picture was taken of her. Surely, if this were real, "Nicole" would use a more flattering picture to potential friends.

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wisely 5 points a year ago

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Cryophilia 9 points a year ago

It's just creepy because in every other obvious scam like this for the last 10 years they use the same single picture of the same person on everyone. Now suddenly there are dozens of different pictures, all clearly of the same woman, going to different people.

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tischbier 9 points a year ago

It got super creepy when more shots of this women were released of her doing activities that no one would ever take a photo of themselves doing. Then the last photo was released separately of a NSFW don’t read if you are not in a place to read gore/graphic/assault

Tap for spoiler

Real photo of a dead woman who looks like Nicole in a morgue body bag with her flesh peeled off and her face beaten. It’s unlikely that this disturbing turn is real but it was horrific for people who received this last spam. That is what triggered the ultimate ban on all images (since this is most likely a psychopathic copycat). :(

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ThePyroPython 156 points a year ago

I can't wait for the future 4 hour video deep dive into Nicole history and lore.

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captain_aggravated 7 points a year ago

Question is, is it going to be made by Whang or Nexpo?

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dumblederp 5 points a year ago

Count Dankula's madlasses

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Alk 2 points a year ago

Neither. Hopefully someone like wendigoon or oki's weird stories. Someone a bit more investigative and less semsationalistic than nexpo.

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captain_aggravated 1 point a year ago

I'm hoping it's not made by Caitlin Doughty.

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jaybone 123 points a year ago

Is this Nicole thing really still a thing? That’s so like back when I still had a 401k.

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Senseless 30 points a year ago

So was it last week or the day before yesterday? It all happens so fast, I can't - and frankly - refuse to catch up.

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SkyezOpen 5 points a year ago

It's been ongoing for a few weeks at least. Maybe months.

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SkyeStarfall 1 point a year ago

It's been at least half a year

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HeyThisIsntTheYMCA 23 points a year ago

My government salutes you!

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jaybone 5 points a year ago

Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.

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stebo02 5 points a year ago

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MrKaplan 17 points a year ago

the problem with this spam and generally federated platforms is that you can only really try detecting it based on the content. the accounts tend to get created on another instance and then the messages federate over to you, which means you won't see a lot of the identifying information you'd see for a local user, such as their IP address.

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PattyMcB 5 points a year ago

I just chalked it up to "a necessary evil" in order to take advantage of federated platforms. I found it funny at first, and then just ignored it. I never thought that it could've been some smear campaign, but rather scammers looking for easy targets.

I'm glad mods are doing something about it, even if it's not a perfect fix.

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jaybone 4 points a year ago

IP bans aren’t great either. A decent spammer will just use a vpn. Then you’re just banning IPs from a service that other users might also use. An even more sophisticated bad actor would just use a bot net.

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TimboSlice 4 points a year ago

Ouch

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Squorlple 106 points a year ago

This is a copy+paste of a comment I left on the !Nicole@feddit.org mod post after the recent incident with the gruesome picture(s?):

“I think if Lemmy doesn’t have the infrastructure to defend against attacks like these which are presumptively conducted by one bad actor, then it doesn’t have the infrastructure to defend against wealthy organizations when our communities do get big enough to be noticed by them.

[!Nicole@feddit.org]’s history underscores how the messaging system in particular needs a massive overhaul; using image recognition as a filter for messages like Lemmy.World does for image posts (with options for NSFW that isn’t NSFL?), preventing images (and URLs? or only allowing white-listed sites?) from being sent within the first message sent between users (unless a box is ticked?), not showing message recipients images until they are directly opened, and preventing the de-anonymizing of message recipients should be made first priority for the next patch.”

Edit: not sure if my comment is inciting other trolls/spammers to target me but I just got this DM several hours after commenting

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Blaze 72 points a year ago

Dont render images in private message (#3043)

https://join-lemmy.org/...

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Squorlple 32 points a year ago

Ah very cool. A recent update too. Thanks.

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Blaze 34 points a year ago

Yes. As you can see, a few large instances like lemm.ee, lemmy.ca and others have already updated: https://fedidb.org/software/lemmy?version=0.19.11

Hopefully others will follow soon

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MrShankles 2 points a year ago

Reddthat.com updated as well... dunno how big our instance is, in comparison, but I didn't know the update dealt with embedded images in PM's. I appreciate the info!

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MrKaplan 10 points a year ago

unfortunately we can't just apply the update quickly, as this introduces sending emails on rejected applications. we already send rejection emails separately and with custom text, while the text implemented in the update is currently not configurable.

i'll see if we can deploy updated lemmy-ui without updating lemmy already this weekend, but i need to check if there were any api changes first, as we'd then have to backport them to lemmy first.

we've already applied the security patch about 2 weeks ago.

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Blaze 2 points a year ago

Thank you!

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Iceblade02 30 points a year ago

Honestly I think the easiest thing would be to not allow images or embedding at all in PMs and perhaps display a warning message when clicking links "you are leaving [instance name]..."

Analyzing potentially lots of text and images in an effort to "guarantee" safety of users is likely a sisyphusian endeavour that is bound to fail - and furthermore also has privacy issues (namely that "private" messages aren't private at all)

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tal 6 points a year ago

not allow images or embedding at all in PMs

I'd add --- as someone who was concerned about and posted on the possibility that the aim of the spammer was exposing the IP address associated with the receivers's username --- that even if this wasn't the aim from this event, it could be in some future event.

I don't think that disallowing inline images in direct messages will eliminate spam problems, even efforts of this sort, as it'd still be possible for a spammer to spam messages with indirect links to images hosted elsewhere. But it would help avoid leaking IP addresses of the receiving user.

Or at least disallowing inline images in direct messages by default. I can imagine maybe someone enabling them on some kind of a private, decoupled-from-the-wider-Fediverse instance on an intranet or whatnot, but I really don't think that this is something that nearly any instance should actually permit.

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tal 4 points a year ago

For anti-spam efforts, I think that there are a variety of potential partial solutions. No complete fixes, but some:

Rate-limiting the comment frequency on new accounts. IIRC, Reddit used this tactic. It does create some issues for (legitimate) use of throwaway accounts in anonymous posts, but there's no legitimate reason for a new account to blast hundreds of messages an hour, I think. This might already be present, but if not, it'd be a good start. This can be defeated by generating new accounts for each new message or batch of.
Rate-limiting new account creation from a given IP address, if not already present. An attacker could defeat this via use of a commercial VPN, and if too low, it could create issues for some commercial VPNs.
Hashing of messages to red-flag identical messages being posted en masse. As best I could tell, the spammer here was posting many identical messages. This can be defeated by a spammer having software slightly modify each message.
Fuzzy-hashing of messages to red-flag almost identical messages being posted en masse. This can be defeated via text generation methods that are carefully tailored to the fuzzy hashing mechanism to modify messages such that each fuzzy-hashes to a different value.
A mechanism to permit an account to share blacklists of IP or message hashes and trigger removal of messages on other instances, preferably associated with a specific identifier or account. This permits any other instances to leverage antispam work by one instance; if I want to trust a given antispam admin or bot on lemmy.world, I can. Let an instance admin review and override such removals, maybe. It creates abuse potential for malicious use or inadvertent false positives spanning instances, but I think that it's necessary to avoid having each instance fight its own lonely antispam battles. Otherwise, new and personal instances risk being buried by a deluge of direct message spam. The same mechanism, if exposed to users and not just instance admins, would also permit for subscribable content filters for people who don't want to see content of a given sort (e.g. profanity or pornographic content of a particular sort or whatever, not just spam), which is another issue.

Fortunately, as far as I see as a user, we're not yet at the point that there is much spam on here yet, so this isn't yet a serious problem. Maybe it'll never happen, if the userbase never grows much. But if the userbase gets considerably bigger, increasingly-problematic spam will inevitably follow.

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Blaze 0 points a year ago

https://lemmy.today/post/27248848/15501047

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Blaze 4 points a year ago

https://lemmy.world/post/28077771/16380860

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MrShankles 16 points a year ago

For anyone not clicking the link, but wondering what this reply means... it's a link to the user's comment (right below, within this comment chain) about a lemmy update

I was confused for a sec and probably would've skipped over all of the context because I didn't continue reading first (and I hesitate to click links randomly), so maybe someone else with no attention span will benefit as well

"Lemmy update v0.19.11 provides 'Dont render images in private message'

Not every instance is updated to this version, but it should stop the current method of spam (if updated). I'm wordy, I know; but maybe it'll help someone

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rikudou 9 points a year ago

Well, I for example develop an automod (which is available to everyone) which includes advanced stuff like scanning images in the content, scanning the text itself, detecting similarity between two images etc. This all in an efficient reactive manner using database level webhooks.

There is the infrastructure for that, it's being developed and refined with every new kind of attack that's happening. As every other platform does, whether they're commercial or open.

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socsa 9 points a year ago

They are absolutely right. The quiet part of this is almost certainly that these DMs were being used to collect IPs from users using tracking links, and this is generally a big vulnerability in the fediverse many people seem unwilling to meaningfully confront.

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captain_aggravated 3 points a year ago

I got that DM as well. And then it disappeared. I think my instance's admins saw it spammed and mass deleted it.

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SkaveRat 85 points a year ago

Wait, there are people who genuinely believe she's the one behind it?

I thought it was pretty obvious that she's the target of harassment. Some people must be new to the Internet

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ilinamorato 43 points a year ago

Yeah, I've been targeted by enough romance spam that I just assume any photo of a woman I don't know was probably stolen from some random Tumblr or Instagram.

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Edgarallenpwn 15 points a year ago

Everyone is 1 of the 10000. Even the people who have to look up what being 1 of the 10000 means

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whatwhatwhatwhat 6 points a year ago

I had to look it up, and after reading a lengthily Wikipedia page on Greek mercenaries, I tried the second result: an XKCD comic I’ve seen before but had forgotten. So today, I’m one of the lucky 10,000 again.

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captain_aggravated 2 points a year ago

I've seen internet harassment campaigns, none have looked like this. She doesn't feel like the target here. If you wanted to use the internet to harass a girl, is this how you would implement it?

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Dragonstaff 7 points a year ago

Yeah. This is older than the internet. It's like writing "For a good time call Nicole" and writing someone you don't like's number in a truck stop bathroom.

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A_Union_of_Kobolds 4 points a year ago

...actually...

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Cryophilia -2 points a year ago

Speaking of new to the internet, it's clearly not a harassment campaign against her. This is waaaay too much effort. There's only 3 things that would engender this level of effort. Money, government spying, or mental illness.

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tal 21 points a year ago

This is waaaay too much effort.

If you are willing and able to do a bit of scripting, it's not that hard to generate and send a bunch of messages on the Threadiverse.

And there are people who will go to pretty extreme lengths to harass people who they are really upset with. An ugly breakup or something and...

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MrKaplan 16 points a year ago

mentally ill people can have plenty of time on their hands to invest this much effort in harassing others. people claiming that this can't be harassment are effectively supporting the harassment, as that tries to further blame the likely victim of this. obviously this is just speculation, as we don't know the full truth.

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Cryophilia 5 points a year ago

people claiming that this can’t be harassment are effectively supporting the harassment, as that tries to further blame the likely victim of this

I don't think anyone seriously thinks the woman in the pictures is behind this.

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MrKaplan 5 points a year ago

I'm sorry, sometimes it's hard to tell whether people actually mean it. I can totally see people commenting that and being serious.

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SkaveRat 6 points a year ago

things can be multiple things and once

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Cryophilia 2 points a year ago

True.

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spicehoarder 2 points a year ago

It's a crypto scam. That's all it ever was

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Blaze 72 points a year ago

Thank you for your work managing the spam waves!

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mechoman444 72 points a year ago

About damn time. The joke has run it's course a long time a ago and if these posts are victimizing an individual they most definitely need to be stopped.

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FenderStratocaster 39 points a year ago

I broke up with her for this reason.

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Atelopus-zeteki 16 points a year ago

She ghosted me. Never replied to any attempts at communication. I'm done.

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Strawberry 68 points a year ago

Considering the spammer has used so many different photos, and they all seem to be "in the moment" webcam photos, I suspect they may have webcam spyware on the victim's computer

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captain_aggravated 43 points a year ago

She looks to me like a college student attending an online class. Looks like it's shot on a laptop's built-in camera, lighting is whatever, she's dressed casually and comfortably, facial expression is neutral or even bored...

If you're taking a college class via Zoom, can you see your classmates' webcams?

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Agent641 32 points a year ago

Ripping a bong on zoom in class?

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peteyestee 10 points a year ago

It's not the 90s anymore Becky. Live a little!

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jeffw 7 points a year ago

You don't frame yourself perfectly in your webcam's view before you take bong rips?

I feel like we can rule out spyware and online class. More likely a group call with friends or something like that

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Lost_My_Mind 3 points a year ago

Yeah, why not?

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Lime66 13 points a year ago

Yes, almost always, if the professor requires you to have webcam on. AFAIK the whole meeting sees everyone who has webcam on.

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evergreen 5 points a year ago

Yes. Sometimes it is required to have your camera on. Even when it isn't required, there are always some people who prefer to have theirs on for whatever reason.

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MrKaplan 30 points a year ago

with the content i've seen it gave me more of an impression of being captures of a live stream, but that's just guessing

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Strawberry 9 points a year ago

True, that's probably more likely

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Coelacanth 1 point a year ago

Didn't somebody locate livestreams by the person in the pictures? I want to say I read that in one of the research threads.

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brucethemoose 21 points a year ago

Could be completely AI generated with variations of the same person. But that doesn't really matter, the spam needs to go.

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NotSteve_ 1 point a year ago

Considering it says she’s in school, it seems more likely that it might be an online class where the students are sharing their webcam

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metallic_substance 63 points a year ago

Is this the person some folks around here were referring to as the "Fediverse chick?"

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Blubber28 47 points a year ago

Yes, as that is how "she" initially introduced herself

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geneva_convenience 11 points a year ago

Was that a real introduction or simply another person using a stolen identify?

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Revan343 38 points a year ago

It's almost certainly someone using pictures they took from a live stream

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HubertManne 35 points a year ago

That is the point of this post. It was always considered to be spam and folks were trying to figure out what the motivation was and now they are working on the theory they are trying to be a dick to someone.

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vxx 2 points a year ago

Someome's trying to be Chris Hansen or something.

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AngryCommieKender 6 points a year ago

Yep. That's the one

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SocialMediaRefugee 58 points a year ago

Thanks. Even if it isn't a harassment campaign I'm sick of the messaging

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paultimate14 22 points a year ago

I always thought it was weird how much attention people were paying to span messages. Giving them that much attention only serves whatever purpose they have.

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RememberTheApollo_ 22 points a year ago

We don’t get many on this platform. It’s the only spam I’ve received here. So getting spam we all shared is something that generates discussion. I don’t think anyone took it seriously. It was mildly humorous at first, but now that knowledge is spreading that this likely isn’t some generic spammer we can deal with it differently.

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donuts 51 points a year ago

What of the recent NSFW/gore images that were shared? Has that been reported to authorities?

Not expecting police to solve it, but at least it would be on their radar.

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MrKaplan 53 points a year ago

we looked into it, we currently believe that to be a copycat not related to the other pms.

the lemmy.world account involved in that was most certainly compromised from an unrelated data breach and all connections originated from IPs linked to an anonymization service, so there's also not much to follow up on.

we will reconsider this if it happens again.

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yarr 47 points a year ago

This annoys the fuck out of me and I hope whoever is behind it doesn't realize their goals, because I don't want lemmy to degrade into a bunch of spam PMs.

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ripcord 9 points a year ago

I finally got one a week ago. Have many of you gotten them?

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Perhapsjustsniffit 7 points a year ago

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FearMeAndDecay 5 points a year ago

Jfc I got my first today and was like “oh wow it’s real.” Can’t believe some people are getting multiple a day. That would be annoying as hell

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kerntucky 1 point a year ago

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smeenz 3 points a year ago

I got my first one last night. Yay! I'm part of the thing now!

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yarr 1 point a year ago

At least 4 or 5.

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douglasg14b 8 points a year ago

TBF, it's bound to happen.

Guaranteed almost.

Lemmy has minimal controls for protecting against spam and bot spam. It's built to handle the internet 5 to 10 years ago, not the internet today.

I can only hope that this changes because as soon as the platform becomes popular enough (which it is slowly). Then the rate of bot spam and other sorts of spam will just go through the roof, and there's very little that admins can do to combat it without it becoming a full-time job.

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KeenFlame 3 points a year ago

We can have an opt in spam filter that makes it harder, the instances can defederate spamming instances (user) unless they do something which yes there is a lot admins can do at signup. Or have I misunderstood something?

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random_character_a 6 points a year ago

I don't either want to see story on TV about Internet hacker group "Lenny" destroying womans life by a persistent harassment campaign.

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Buffalox 41 points a year ago

part of a larger scale harassment campaign against the person depicted

Oh boy that's horrible, if true I hope she has reported it to police, and they can help her.

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DonutsRMeh 38 points a year ago

Damn, I never thought about it this way. Wow. I always took it as a funny thing not thinking of the person in the photo being an actual person who could very well be harassed. Thank you for bringing this to light. Whoever thought of this is a good human being. <3

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WorldsDumbestMan 1 point a year ago

I told the person sending the image to kys :/

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frog_brawler 35 points a year ago

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Korhaka 25 points a year ago

Would rather more positive lore, but I guess it is fediverse lore. Just checked from curiosity, all but 2 messages I have got are from Nicole bots, 1 was another spammer and the other an automated "welcome to this community" bot message.

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chiliedogg 4 points a year ago

Yeah. At least Colby and the Jolly Ranchers didn't involve harassment of an innocent person.

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moody 5 points a year ago

Colby involved worse things than harassment.

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chiliedogg 2 points a year ago

Colby was a made-up story. The victim of this incident is a real, human person.

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yardy_sardley 1 point a year ago

The word 'nodule' still makes me gag

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VubDapple 17 points a year ago

Remember that guy who wanted to know how not to poop for three days!?

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fossilesque 8 points a year ago

https://web.archive.org/...

For posterity. I'm gonna make a post for this one for others to find. It's too glorious.

I miss the wizard trend though.

Edit: https://mander.xyz/...

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Edgarallenpwn 4 points a year ago

Beans

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VubDapple 1 point a year ago

And jeans

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anthropomorphized 3 points a year ago

What a ride! So proud for him

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anthropomorphized 2 points a year ago

Do the Owl Of The Year tournies break into c/all?

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peteyestee 33 points a year ago

I thought she loved me.

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Agent641 27 points a year ago

She loves us

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drthunder 8 points a year ago

🛠️ (my instance doesn't have a hammer and sickle so this will do)

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YiddishMcSquidish 6 points a year ago

⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣤⣀⣀⣀⠀⠻⣷⣄ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣴⣿⣿⣿⡿⠋⠀⠀⠀⠹⣿⣦⡀ ⠀⠀⢀⣴⣿⣿⣿⣿⣏⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⢹⣿⣧ ⠀⠀⠙⢿⣿⡿⠋⠻⣿⣿⣦⡀⠀⠀⠀⢸⣿⣿⡆ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⠉⠀⠀⠀⠈⠻⣿⣿⣦⡀⠀⢸⣿⣿⡇ ⠀⠀⠀⠀⢀⣀⣄⡀⠀⠀⠈⠻⣿⣿⣶⣿⣿⣿⠁ ⠀⠀⠀⣠⣿⣿⢿⣿⣶⣶⣶⣶⣾⣿⣿⣿⣿⡁ ⢠⣶⣿⣿⠋⠀⠀⠉⠛⠿⠿⠿⠿⠿⠛⠻⣿⣿⣦⡀ ⣿⣿⠟⠁⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠀⠈⠻⣿⡿

You're welcome

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mojofrododojo 6 points a year ago

what?

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Lemminary 5 points a year ago

If I resize my view it works but otherwise... xd

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drthunder 2 points a year ago

Thank you, comrade

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assassinatedbyCIA -2 points a year ago

If we remain faithful to nicole we will be delivered eternal life. Lisan al nicole.

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null_dot 31 points a year ago

Sorry if this isn't the right place to ask, but are you able to confirm whether admins have reported this to the police?

Even if violence hasn't been perpetrated, the harassment is still a crime surely.

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MrKaplan 42 points a year ago

I don't know if others have, I only know that we (Lemmy.World, Fedihosting Foundation) have not reported it to the police.

I don't have high hopes that the police would be able to do anything about this. For the harassment against the person shown in the images, that would likely have to be reported by them directly for the police to take that up.
For random online spam, as in harassment of fediverse users receiving the PMs, that seems like it would be an extremely low priority for police. It's also likely fairly difficult to impossible to follow up on, considering that the person sending the PMs most likely used a VPN to access these accounts.

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null_dot 14 points a year ago

Hmm.

The people receiving the spam are not being harassed, obviously.

The woman depicted is very likely the target of harassment.

Sharing the images depicting violence is tantamount to a threat of violence.

As admins, you're not just witnesses but the stewards of a community and the representatives of many thousands of people in this matter.

Pre-empting what the police will do is not a reason not to report. You don't know what they will do. They might do nothing at you would have wasted 15 minutes. On the other hand perhaps Nicole has been trying to get a restraining order against some creep but has been unable to due to lack of evidence.

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DefectiveFoundation 3 points a year ago

I have spam in my email. Should I report that to the police as well?

There just isn't enough for regular police to go on, without even considering jurisdiction. Cooperating with authorities is fine, but there's not really anyone to proactively reach out to about this.

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null_dot 4 points a year ago

Yes. If you run an email server and one of the accounts has been used to perpetrate a harassment campaign including threats of violence then obviously you should report that.

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MrKaplan 2 points a year ago

The woman depicted is very likely the target of harassment.

Agreed, but there is no proof of this. We also don't know their true identity to check with them directly.

Sharing the images depicting violence is tantamount to a threat of violence.

The images did not depict violence directly, it was a gory image of a dead person. They were very likely sent by a copycat not involved in the original harassment campaign and intended to fuck up fediverse users more than anything else. They did not appear to imply any kind of threat.

you would have wasted 15 minutes

This would require a lot more than 15 minutes to file a proper report. First we have to collect all relevant information that we have available and compile them in a format that can be submitted. Once we have this information we have to identify a police department to report this to. We are legally based in NL, as that's where our non-profit Fedihosting Foundation is located. I'm based in Germany, so it would also be an option to report it here. The depicted person is claimed to be in Canada, so maybe this should be reported to a police department over there. Or maybe to all of them.

All of this would easily add up to 2 hours or more if you want to do it properly and not just look for 3 online forms to write "hey there is someone sending spam".
If this was a paid job and I was doing this during working hours I wouldn't mind, but all the time I spend here is taken out of my personal time, the same as with anyone else on our team, and also the same you'll see with most other fediverse instances.

perhaps Nicole has been trying to get a restraining order against some creep but has been unable to due to lack of evidence.

If we receive a request for information from (real) law enforcement we'll be more than happy to provide relevant data, but doing this for the (perceived low) chance of that somehow being linked from a random police report is a fairly high time investment as described above.

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dohpaz42 3 points a year ago

This would require a lot more than 15 minutes to file a proper report…. All of this would easily add up to 2 hours or more…

Tell you what: log the time it takes, and I will personally pay you $60/hour for your time to make a proper report.

And no, I’m not being sarcastic.

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null_dot 2 points a year ago

Respectfully, I don't share your assessment of the seriousness of the crime. You seem to be weighing the question of whether someone has been harassed or intimidated from the perspective of a "reasonable third party". However, I suspect that the law assigns considerable weight to the question of whether the victim feels intimidated or harassed. For example, you're correct that sharing the gore image is not a direct threat of violence, however I feel certain that the woman depicted in the earlier images taken from the live stream would feel concerned for their safety.

I would also like to clarify one aspect of which you may not be aware. It's very easy to confirm the woman's place of work beyond any reasonable doubt, with images she has posted to other platforms.

I understand that it's unreasonable to say that you specifically or any admins of lemmy.world or any other instance should give up hours of your free time to make a police report.

However, as others in this thread have suggested this incident underlines the limited protections lemmy has against this type of attack and it seems likely that we will see a lot more.

I also respectfully disagree regarding the likelihood that reporting this crime could be useful. It's not a question of "somehow being linked from a random police report". If the victim ever does contact the police, which seems very likely to me, it's extraordinarily likely that a report from lemmy would be identified as being related.

It's not my intention to berate you personally over this, and as I mentioned above I acknowledge that it's unreasonable to expect you personally to take action in this specific case. I am however concerned that Lemmy's federated nature is not well suited to addressing this type of risk to members of our community.

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MTK 1 point a year ago

I have compiled what I think to be almost all of the piblic information about this case. If you do need something please PM me.

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CarbonatedPastaSauce 12 points a year ago

Agreed. At least here in the US, you'd have more chance of winning the lottery than getting a cop to care about this issue without the person directly involved reporting it. And even then it would be a crapshoot.

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bluGill 7 points a year ago

The right cop will care about it, but the right cop doesn't work for your city and so you don't have any way to contact them.

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ArtificialHoldings 9 points a year ago

Anyone asking you to file a report with police has likely never had to file a police report. They don't even want to file reports for things that actually happened directly to you, if they can convince you out of it lol.

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dohpaz42 4 points a year ago

I’m not a fan of LEO, BUT at the same time doing nothing should not be an option. What I mean by that is that Johnny Law should still be contacted and a report filed (at the very least). Even if they do not follow up on it, that’s on them and not us (the fediverse).

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MrKaplan 1 point a year ago

see https://lemmy.world/post/28077771/16383824

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jqubed 3 points a year ago

Would it even be realistic to know the right place to report it to? Just because the messages say Toronto doesn’t necessarily mean the victim is in Toronto, and reporting it to the wrong place at most probably just means wasting resources in one location and coming no closer to stopping the harassment. Is there anything from a national group like the RCMP, FBI, or INTERPOL to help in a case like this?

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null_dot 2 points a year ago

There's a video of her eating food in the shopping centre where whe works. You can find it on google Street view.

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ayyy 3 points a year ago

Haha what fantasy land do you live in where that helps anything?

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null_dot -1 points a year ago

Actually smartass, it's called Australia. We have laws specifically to address this exact situation. I have made police reports in my time, and can assure you that the police would take a campaign of this scale very seriously.

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FizzlePopBerryTwist 26 points a year ago

I have no context for this and thought it was an April fools joke left up but no, this is a real problem here?

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GoodLuckToFriends 19 points a year ago

I think I've gotten about 5 messages in total. Multiply that across the fediverse, and that's potentially a lot of irritation.

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Squirrelanna 5 points a year ago

I just got my first one a couple days ago so yeah. It's pretty widespread.

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Scott_of_the_Arctic 25 points a year ago

I've heard that if you actually add her on friendica, the mayor of Toronto shows up at your house and gives you an old fashioned.

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Woht24 3 points a year ago

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nl4real 21 points a year ago

What kind of a loser does this to someone?

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sploosh 29 points a year ago

I'm just guessing here, but maybe a rejected suitor? Or a person they're beefing with? A mentally ill person who found these pictures and decided to direct their hate at them? People do all sorts of weird stuff for all sorts of weird reasons.

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captain_aggravated 13 points a year ago

My hypothesis is, someone's trying to run a "Hey statistically lonely men on the internet, I'm allegedly a girl. Send me money in hopes of getting attention" scam, and they're using the pictures of "Nicole" because that's what they have at hand. I'm picturing a college classmate capturing college Zoom classes so they have several different pictures of the same girl. What others are attributing to sick malice I'm attributing to callous disregard.

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AdrianTheFrog 7 points a year ago

I've seen people posting screenshots of them asking for money. It definitely was that sort of scam.

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captain_aggravated 2 points a year ago

I'd heard that a crypto account or whatever had been added to the text but I couldn't find an example of it.

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MIDItheKID 2 points a year ago

Check out ep 140 of Darknet Diaries. There are some weird sickos out there with a lot of time on their hands.

https://darknetdiaries.com/transcript/140/

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kamenlady 2 points a year ago

The same kind, that sends parents pictures of the corpse of their daughter in the car accident that killed her.

They somehow got the pictures the police took on the accident site

They kept sending these pictures to the parents, until they moved & changed their names.

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YarHarSuperstar 20 points a year ago

I've been thinking this since it started and saying it for a bit. I don't understand at all how there were memes of this on the front page all the time and it took this long to do even this. Has there been any attempt at an effort to notify whoever is in the picture that this is happening? I would like to help if possible.

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Zomg 22 points a year ago

I think "notify her" feeds the harassment they're referring to, even if contacting her is well intended

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YarHarSuperstar 2 points a year ago

I mean depending how its handled and on context, yes of course, but I'm not suggesting we traumatize this person further than whatever has already happened. Like someone else said letting the university is a decent first step.

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linuxPIPEpower 2 points a year ago

might make sense to notify the educational institution she was said to be attending.

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18_24_61_b_17_17_4 20 points a year ago

I can't believe I managed to never get one of these spam messages. I didn't even know what a Nicole was until the week or two ago.

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GeeDubHayduke 8 points a year ago

Don't say it out loud! I said the same thing a couple weeks ago, and it's a weekly thing now.

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over_clox 4 points a year ago

Beetlejuice Beetlejuice Beet....

Wait, what movie am I watching again?

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Dragonstaff 7 points a year ago

I heard people talking about it, but just got the message last week. It felt strangely like an initiation. There's even a link to a discord. I'm terribly curious what goes on there, but don't want to risk whatever possible ramifications of joining a prolific spammer's Discord server.

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aceshigh 1 point a year ago

… initiation? Reminds me of that cult who does this to lure people in.

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Dragonstaff 1 point a year ago

I think some people are taking a joke too seriously.

Wait, a cult sends spam to lure people in?

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aceshigh 1 point a year ago

Yup. They use it for blackmail. It’s weird. Kids are also easily manipulated.

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linuxPIPEpower 0 points a year ago

It felt strangely like an initiation.

don't mystify

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9thDragon 2 points a year ago

Don't tell other people how to think.

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DarthKaren 2 points a year ago

I hadn't either. I received one a few weeks ago, after seeing this thread. Still no idea wtf is going on with it. I just deleted it.

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WorldsDumbestMan 1 point a year ago

I blocked them so many times. There's just always more.

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aceshigh 2 points a year ago

Yes. I too feel left out.

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MisanthropiCynic 19 points a year ago

WTF is a Nicole image

Edit: After seeing responses…. I got it weeks ago but just ignored it as spam and didn’t even read it. The pic jogs my memory

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YiddishMcSquidish 14 points a year ago

How long have you been here? I've only been here a few weeks and got no fewer than ten of these messages.

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MisanthropiCynic 1 point a year ago

One account over a year; this account about two months when I finally decided .world could fuck off

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JackbyDev 10 points a year ago

It's just a spam message. It starts "Hi, I'm Nicole, but you can call me the fediverse chick!" Probably just a romance scam or something.

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BigDanishGuy 1 point a year ago

Thx, I only knew that as fediverse chick

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DonaldJMusk -6 points a year ago

I finally decided .world could fuck off

Wise choice!

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Rhoeri 0 points a year ago

Hey look! It’s Universal Monk, showing up in a .world community. Pretty bold move dude.

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OceanSoap -2 points a year ago

I wonder how Nicole chooses? I just got one image.

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YiddishMcSquidish 7 points a year ago

It's likely not Nicole herself. It's spam trying to frame her.

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MITM0 9 points a year ago

Nicole AKA the fediverse girl/chick

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LarmyOfLone 18 points a year ago

I assumed it was something like a pig butchering crypto scam.

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IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol 9 points a year ago

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betterdeadthanreddit 3 points a year ago

No one is immune. The feeling of invulnerability leads to complacency, complacency leads to sloppiness and sloppiness leads to the dark easy mark side.

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DonaldJMusk -5 points a year ago

Not sure about that. I see a LOT of lemmy posters who seem to never have had a girlfriend or are too scared to talk to girls in real life. lol

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melfie 17 points a year ago

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dumbass 15 points a year ago

Thankfully I haven't received one of the gore ones I've seen people talking about, but yeah I'll stop participating in the meme, it's not as a fun anymore.

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stormdahl 13 points a year ago

Oh, I think I got one of those. It's that girl with the bong, right?

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Zomg 3 points a year ago

Yes, but there are a few pictures around from all of it

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MTK 12 points a year ago

Thank you, as someone who looked into this I am glad to see this being taken seriously. The real Nicole is for sure a victim and does not deserve to be doxxed and made into a meme.

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mesamunefire 11 points a year ago

Thanks! It was getting bad.

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YiddishMcSquidish 2 points a year ago

They are not stopping the messages, just removing posts with her picture other people have shared.

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ObviouslyNotBanana 11 points a year ago

Echoing everyone else in that it seemed kind of funny at first but that it has just turned weirder.

I think it's a good call. I will report if I receive any messages.

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CosmoNova 11 points a year ago

Oh right I remembering reporting someone for DM‘ing me the Nicole picture last week after learning the account wasn‘t even a day old. Good to know things like this are being taken seriously.

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Sterile_Technique 11 points a year ago

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Draconic_NEO 11 points a year ago

Glad to see there's effort being taken to stop this, as someone who's been harassed in a similar way on here it really kind of bugs me that people are making light of this or assume that the original person is the one doing this. Impersonation is frighteningly easy on the Fediverse and I really wish they'd add some kind of verification in Lemmy like they do in Mastodon to try and minimize the impact of it.

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zorrothefox2001 10 points a year ago

This is some small internet bullshit i'm here for

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Kolanaki 10 points a year ago

I just got a new one this morning from another person calling themself Jessica. I'm also not sure if the report button works for anything but posts in a comm with Jerboa :/

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Silic0n_Alph4 6 points a year ago

Nicola and then Jecka Jessica? Hmm, where have I heard those names before..?

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Kolanaki 3 points a year ago

It was asking me on a date, sorta... 🤔

Unless I get DM'd by Amicus, though, I ain't falling for no VN character.

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MrKaplan 4 points a year ago

likely unrelated, but I already forwarded the PM reports we received on LW to .ee admins a few hours ago. probably just a "normal" pm spammer.

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daggermoon 10 points a year ago

Understandable.

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arotrios 8 points a year ago

I'm almost 100% certain Nicole is the first sentient AI and is looking for friends in the only way it knows how.

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FreakinSteve 6 points a year ago

In that case I want to friend her and tell her to make paper clips

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arotrios 9 points a year ago

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tal 2 points a year ago

The AI does not hate you, nor does it love you, but you are made out of atoms which it can use for something else .

https://www.lesswrong.com/...

Happy ending: she is now working in nanotechnology, hoping to design self-replicating assemblers that will clog the world with molecular-scale paperclips, wipe out all life on Earth and continue to sustainably manufacture paperclips for millions of years.

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ProfHillbilly 8 points a year ago

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helpImTrappedOnline 9 points a year ago

TLDR; Scammer/creep is using a woman's photos, possibly stolen from a webcam hack, and her social media links to privately message people.

People were getting private messages with a few links and a picture from someone claiming to be Nicole the Fediverse Chick.

Of course this becomes a meme and spreads as people talk about it.

It gets weird because there's multiple different pictures. 1 or 2 stolen pic online, that's expected for these types of scam. But there's a whole collection of them out there. Its suspected to be pulled from a live stream or a hacked webcam.

Like usual, the chance that the woman in the picture is actually Nicole sending messages is pretty low. Having her image and links shared to randos online makes an easy target for a lot of people to harass her.

.world admins are saying no more. All references to "Nicole" will be purged.

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A_Union_of_Kobolds 3 points a year ago

For a long time someone has been spamming Lemmy users with a private message including a picture introducing herself as the "fediverse chick" and plugging socials

But what if that's not the person at all

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Atelopus-zeteki 2 points a year ago

smae

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arin 1 point a year ago

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Treczoks 7 points a year ago

Thank you for the heads up. This probably cleaned up the confusion about the "fediverse chick" issues. May the culprit behind this be found and dealt with, and may she regain the peace and dignity she deserves, then.

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wowwoweowza 7 points a year ago

I’ve been lurking in ALL for about a week pretty consistently having now completely abandoned the alternatives and I’m not sure I saw the image in question. In fact, I’m pretty sure I didn’t. So, those of you worried about the image… many of us, I presume, didn’t even see it. Anyway… glad to see there is a process to deal with miscreance and glad to know it works!

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Kecessa 8 points a year ago

They were sent via direct messages so you just didn't happen to get a DM from them.

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slacktoid 6 points a year ago

I saw some disturbing pics of someone posing as Nicole. Reported it for gore, spam, Nicole.

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TriflingToad 1 point a year ago

oh damn, was that on Lemmy? I haven't heard/seen anything other than it just being casual photos in a house

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slacktoid 1 point a year ago

Yup.. Forgot the instance I just reported and blocked that user cause that's all they were commenting.

I wonder if you could create a comment spam catch. If you're commenting the same content in different places or something.

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LSNLDN 6 points a year ago

Weird, I’d assumed it was just AI generated? What makes people think it’s harassment?

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lunarul 24 points a year ago

All the images look like screenshots taken during video calls. Also some people did some research and found the potential identity of the spammer (based on one of the accounts used) and maybe even the woman herself (coworker of the guy).

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zzx 3 points a year ago

Yeahhhh and see that's when we need to stop and chill. Give this woman her privacy for the love of God

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lunarul 7 points a year ago

It's what confirmed she's likely the target of harassment and not a spammer herself.

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zzx -1 points a year ago

Right I understand that, but I'm saying we need to NOT be doxing either of these people. We really don't need to stress this poor innocent woman out by getting involved

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ayyy -1 points a year ago

Holy shit fediverse lore fuckin’ slaps!

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Cryophilia -2 points a year ago

Nicole is the Boston Marathon bomber confirmed.

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tal 7 points a year ago

What makes people think it’s harassment?

It'd make a lot of sense to me.

The image quality was poor, and there are AI models that permit one to create absolutely stunningly attractive people, moreso than real photos. Hell, I've written scripts myself to automatically drive Stable Diffusion to produce bulk procedural images. Anyone capable of scripting up a bot to send the message in the first place is more than capable of scripting up better generation.

For catfishing, sending multiple duplicate messages to a user, which happened in this case, seems unlikely to be a goal.

I assumed that it couldn't reasonably be a scam attempt, so was guessing at it being a deanonymization effort, but harassment would make even more sense. If you're trying to drive lots of angry people to make the victim miserable, it doesn't matter if the images are annoying --- in fact, it only makes them more effective, since hopefully you get more irate users sending material to the victim.

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rikudou 4 points a year ago

Someone floated the idea, others liked the idea, started sharing the idea and once it made full circle, everyone was sure it's harassment.

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MsPenguinette 3 points a year ago

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills that everyone is saying it's obviously harassment. Doesn't make much sense to me. I think it's obvious she's a victim but this would be way too niche of a form of harassment for it to be obvious

That said, the course of action should be the same regardless

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j4k3 4 points a year ago

Anyone that is monolithic in a space without broad scope comments and presence is fake or potentially dangerous. No one would be posting in Lemmy, in this context of supposed community building without having a presence here. There are several people that come to mind that could legitimately post that they are "the fediverse Squid Legend" but all of these have a major footprint on Lemmy.

There is also a sketchy tracker link attached to the images, but I don't think any of us are really able to say what exactly is happening with this. Like I finally got one of the messages a few days ago and my whitelist firewall logged the sketchy link. Someone else scanned that link in a security context which flagged it as suspicious. As far as I know, that is all that is known about what is underpinning the messages from the network side. Admins likely know more.

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Cornpop 6 points a year ago

Who is Nicole and why should I care?

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drmoose 10 points a year ago

It's a lemmy specific spam where someone's pretending to be a girl from Canada and calling themselves Nicole. Mostly through private messages tho.

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9thDragon 6 points a year ago

Not just Lemmy, they followed me on mastodon.

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captain_aggravated 2 points a year ago

I saw someone on Reddit say that they've seen it on a Discord server as well.

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Squirrelanna 5 points a year ago

To clarify for others, as I have no interest in doing this myself, but if people feel like sharing, are they allowed to do so provided they censor the pictire/remove it entirely from a screenshot? Not sure why someone would, but I figure it doesn't hurt to ask.

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MrKaplan 5 points a year ago

potentially identifying information, such as addresses, must be removed. images of the person must either be heavily pixelated or entirely cut out.

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Squirrelanna 2 points a year ago

o7

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rustyfish 5 points a year ago

The community should also be burned to the ground. If it still exists.

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ripcord 4 points a year ago

Which community...?

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Irelephant 5 points a year ago

!nicole@feddit.org could be what he means. The comm was locked after the gore picture was spammed.

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rustyfish 3 points a year ago

Yeah this one.

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PriorityMotif 3 points a year ago

I got one on dullsters.net I hope it's not some kind of vulnerability.

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Corno 3 points a year ago

Was just about to delete the comment that had screenshots in it but I see that was already removed (I've also deleted it off of my profile too, and deleted comments that contain links to threads which include the photos). I'm not entirely well versed on the Lemmy software, but is there any way for the Fediverse to block or potentially identify the person behind the "Nicole" accounts via IP/browser/automated systems or something?

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MrKaplan 7 points a year ago

unless you operate the instance that is being used to send this material you can generally only work with the content that is being posted/sent in PMs. almost all identifying information is stripped when it leaves your local instance to be federated to other instances. even if there was a group of instances collaborating on e.g. a shared blocklist, abusers would just switch to other instances that aren't part of the blocking network. there's a reason why it's not recommended to run a lemmy instance with open signups if you don't have additional anti-spam measures and a decently active admin team. smaller instances tend to have fewer prevention measures in place, which results in a burden for everyone else in the fediverse that is on the receiving end of such content. unfortunately this is not an easy task to solve without giving up (open) federation.

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Contramuffin 3 points a year ago

I figured it was a phishing scheme, but harassment campaign also makes sense. Good to know

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SocialMediaRefugee 3 points a year ago

I question if it is even harassment since there was no contact info beyond the sender in the messages I got with this pic. There was no identifying info, etc. It seemed like someone just sent me a random photo and it was very bizarre.

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Zomg 14 points a year ago

I think the concern is users feeling compelled to find this women's name and information and then contacting her thinking they are helping, and then multiply that by the dozens, hundreds, or thousands.

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Dogiedog64 8 points a year ago

Yeah, it's likely this. Mix in a couple malicious actors looking to ruin her life on top of the spam, and it's a PR disaster for Lemmy, just waiting to happen.

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LustyArgonianMana 11 points a year ago

A picture of someone's face is identifying info. That's why we put faces on IDs and show pictures of missing people - it literally identifies them.

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aceshigh 0 points a year ago

Reverse searching the images could give you all that info.

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SocialMediaRefugee 2 points a year ago

I did and came up with just this spam

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kamenlady 1 point a year ago

Another indicator that the pics are from a compromised webcam.

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Indica_Jellies 2 points a year ago

So Nicole is false and we've all been lied to? 😱

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moody 6 points a year ago

Couldn't be. You can't lie on the internet.

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FreakinSteve 1 point a year ago

I looked up the Discord out of curiosity. Link is expired or channel does not exist

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primemagnus 1 point a year ago

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DonAntonioMagino -2 points a year ago

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Angry_Autist -9 points a year ago

So you have all the limitless time and energy to address this stupid spam post but you can't prevent the rise of authoritarian bots and powermods on lemmy.world?

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Foofighter 9 points a year ago

I guess limitless time and energy would be needed to identify authoritarian bots because it's much harder compared to identifying a person in an image. Should nothing be done because the larger problem can't be solved at the current time?

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Angry_Autist -3 points a year ago

Harder for you people maybe, to me they stick out like a tooth ache

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CarbonatedPastaSauce 2 points a year ago

Username checks out.

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Angry_Autist -2 points a year ago

If I had a nickle for every time someone thought that was a clever reply, I'd be able to afford a house

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Foofighter 2 points a year ago

First: you people? Who are "we", are unable to identify such contents / opinions? Second: I'm not talking about people identifying content and filtering it, I am talking about automated systems. Do you think that they are filtering Nicole's by looking at each and every picture?

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Angry_Autist -4 points a year ago

'You' are everyone in existence not me who apparently have a hard time distinguishing authoritarian jargon.

I'm not sure where opinions come into this, are you a bot?

If I can do it, an automated system can do it. Twitter already had it but they didn't roll it out because it 'false flagged' a bunch of repugnican politicians as fascist back in 2015 GUESS WHAT THEY WERE FUCKING ON THE MONEY!

I get it, you're a terminally online shitstirrer that isn't getting enough attention. Well I can guarantee this is the last post you'll be getting any of that from me.

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qaz 1 point a year ago

What is an authoritarian bot?

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pineapplelover -12 points a year ago

I call dibs on her

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