According to the New York Times, Game of Thrones is the 6th best TV show of the 21st century

19 days ago by slaacaa to c/lemmyshitpost

MrScruff 95 points 19 days ago

This list is invalid because How It's Made is suspiciously absent.

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Katana314 5 points 18 days ago path: 0 26022322 26023993, hotness: undefined, score: 5, children: 0
Ertain 1 point 18 days ago

Brooks Moore should be a TV star, or a household name.

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thisisbutaname 70 points 19 days ago

No Scrubs?? Preposterous

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NoForwadSlashS 36 points 19 days ago

There was a whole song about that

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jagermo 11 points 18 days ago

I remember, they " want no scrubs, a scrub can't get no love from them"

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Signtist 8 points 18 days ago

I don't watch no scrubs. Scrubs is a show you won't find on my TV.

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Soulphite 6 points 18 days ago

Hangin out the passenger side of his best friends ride, tryna holla at me

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ChonkyOwlbear 23 points 18 days ago

And Brooklyn 99

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UpperBroccoli 10 points 18 days ago

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raspberriesareyummy 66 points 18 days ago

List compiled by an utter moron. Entirely missing (among others) and vastly superior to most on the list:

  • The Expanse
  • After Life
  • Sex Education
  • Firefly
  • IT Crowd

Also, despite being controversial, probably worth mentioning:

  • South Park
  • The Walking Dead
  • Z-Nation (imo much better than TWD)
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saigot 19 points 18 days ago

South Park is not eligible as it started airing in 1997.

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humanspiral 7 points 18 days ago

ridiculous rule for shows that have run longer than everything else on the list, and still popular.

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raspberriesareyummy 1 point 18 days ago

Yeah that thought occurred to me - but since the list is as dumb as it is to begin with, I didn't bother looking for rules of eligibility.

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VerilyFemme 16 points 18 days ago

Yeah the fact that The Office UK is on here and not The IT Crowd just shows they included it due to proximity to The Office US and don't watch British TV.

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mirisgaiss 15 points 18 days ago

scanned the entire list hoping the expanse would pop up.

of course not.

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Jarix 4 points 18 days ago

I was hoping see Battlestar Galactica

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Furbag 1 point 18 days ago

That one is on there, I think.

Edit: It's #37.

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Jarix 1 point 18 days ago

Thanks, missed it clearly

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noxypaws 1 point 17 days ago

did you cry so hard that your tears turned to blood?

i really need to resume watching that show, damn..

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criss_cross 3 points 17 days ago

Z Nation was so great.

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raspberriesareyummy 1 point 17 days ago

I just started a rewatch tonight after having mentioned it here :) I loved the show and I think it's time to give it another go. I am surprised how much of the permanent cast is introduced in episode one.

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tatterdemalion 2 points 18 days ago

What's controversial about The Walking Dead? (I only saw the first season).

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raspberriesareyummy 8 points 18 days ago

The torture porn for Season 7 first episode. The show went from splatter / hack & slash to a breach of the psychological contract between film makers and the audience. Instead of cutting away for the ultra violence, they stayed fully on it, turning this franchise from a zombie splatter movie into sadistic torture porn, with the sadism directed at the unsuspecting viewers.

I was able to skip past one of those sections because it was telegraphed in the previous season's ending, but the next one was intentionally designed to catch the audience unaware and was ultra explicit. I did not want to see this and I never consented to this kind of sadistic fucked up shit to be broadcast onto my screen.

Fuck the makers of that franchise, fuck AMC and fuck everyone involved in that decision for all eternity.

Edit: Be grateful that you didn't have to watch that.

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tatterdemalion 3 points 18 days ago

Well now I kind of want to watch it.

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criss_cross 2 points 17 days ago

I felt like it was an overcorrection of the season 6 finale where they left it on that shitty cliffhanger of who died. So they were like “well you want answers, we’ll give ya answers!!!”

But yeah it was bad.

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raspberriesareyummy 1 point 17 days ago

Luckily it seems they were punished for it in terms of ratings. I honestly felt abused after being exposed to that scene, without a warning to close my eyes or skip ahead.

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malean 5 points 18 days ago

You can stop there, The first season is gold. After that TWD doesn't have a clue what to do with his premises and becomes stagnant

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Ledivin 3 points 17 days ago

It just quickly got old and repetitive,completely uninspired rehashing of the same problems and storylines. Season 1 is gold, 2 is decent, don't bother past that

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matelt 56 points 19 days ago

Excuse me there's a mistake What We Do In The Shadows should be at the top of list thank you.

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onlyhalfminotaur 6 points 17 days ago

Not to mention Our Flag Means Death

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matelt 2 points 17 days ago

Alright well let's squeeze in good old Flight of the Conchords while we're at it!

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Grail 5 points 19 days ago

Infinity Train is better

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matelt 11 points 19 days ago

Not enough Matt Berry, Kayvan Novak, Natasia Demetriou or Mark Proksch imo.

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Grail 2 points 19 days ago

Yeah but it has Ashley Johnson, Owen Dennis, Kate Mulgrew, and JK Simmons.

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CH3DD4R_G0BL1N 6 points 18 days ago

I’m a ride or die for infinity train but you just can’t compare these two properties, bruv. Shadows doesn’t scratch the surface of the emotional depth of infinity train. And, while I had several lol moments with Infinity Train, it’s nothing in terms of comedy to Shadows.

Saying one is better than the other is nearing non sequitur territory.

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Grail 1 point 18 days ago

I'm sorry but someone implied that Infinity Train isn't the best show ever made. Sooooooo, straight to jail for 1000 years XD

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CH3DD4R_G0BL1N 2 points 18 days ago

If I can do my time on the train, then I accept this judgement.

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noxypaws 3 points 17 days ago

SERIOUSLY.

What We Do In The Shadows was fucking incredible.

Arazonia!

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matelt 3 points 17 days ago

I know a quote from the regular human bartender Jackie Daytona when I see one!

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noxypaws 3 points 17 days ago

I'd go myself, but

bizarre half sideways bow

i can't be fucked

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boonhet 44 points 19 days ago

Community being 97th is heresy

Edit: And no Bluey at all? That show does absolute magic in just 7 minutes an episode

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trxxruraxvr 43 points 19 days ago

I already knew the new York times were shit

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oyo 8 points 18 days ago

This was by vote of 500 actors/industry people, not NYT editorial. A lot of the actors voted for their own shows.

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Grandwolf319 35 points 18 days ago

What is this list based on?

Where the fuck is Dark?

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underscores 9 points 18 days ago

Dark not in a top 100 is how you know the curator does not actually watch TV

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Surp 2 points 18 days ago

Dark got kinda bad in the last season imo. Id give it a number between 100-88 at best.

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aim_at_me 7 points 18 days ago

GoT is on the list. I’m not certain the curator’s watching past the first season.

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underscores 4 points 18 days ago

I don't disagree but it should be on the list regardless

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Schmoo 3 points 18 days ago

It's based on which shows the companies that paid them to advertise own the rights to.

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CobraChicken3000 2 points 18 days ago
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Hoimo 28 points 18 days ago

Insane list. Look at the IMDB Top 250 filtered by "after 2000" and you'll notice the obvious omissions:

  • Avatar: The Last Airbender at number 6
  • Attack on Titan at number 16
  • Firefly at number 39
  • Taskmaster at number 43

These are just a couple examples in different categories. Anime fans immediately noticed that no anime made the list at all, despite 10 being in the IMDB top 100. Western animation fans might have seen that Bojack Horseman made the list, but Avatar didn't (or if the editor filtered for "adult animation", Rick and Morty (#22) didn't). There's really no excuse for these, there is no consistent rule that would exclude any of these shows. NYT readers must live in the dark timeline where fun is outlawed and Taskmaster was cancelled after one series.

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cinoreus 8 points 17 days ago

I don't get why would they skip Avatar on this list.

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helpImTrappedOnline 4 points 17 days ago

Animation isn't respected in the snobby "film" crowd. These are the same sorts of people that refuse to take Citizen Kane out of the number 1 movie slot. If movies peaked in 1941, what's the point?

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Gradually_Adjusting 1 point 17 days ago

I started to think their list was implicitly live action-only, but then Bojack Horseman? This list is fully ad-hoc one person's perspective, no objectivity or consensus attempted.

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cinoreus 1 point 17 days ago
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Objection 23 points 18 days ago

Biased mainstream media REFUSING to acknowledge the cultural significance of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic 😤.

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Hoimo 5 points 18 days ago

Unironically. I'm sure Parks&Rec was a fun show, but did it fill convention centers around the world with hundreds of thousands fans? Did it kickstart the careers of animators, illustrators and musicians?

There's a couple more "children's cartoons" that I'd put in the top 100 over some high-popularity-but-low-cultural-impact shows from this list. I think if you look at the current animation industry, all of them will name the same shows that inspired them as children and still influence their work to this day: Avatar: the Last Airbender (2005), Gravity Falls (2012), Adventure Time (2010), etc.

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SlurpingPus 1 point 17 days ago

IMO it's rather that ‘Adventure Time’ and other cartoons were inspired by Don Hertzfeldt. Afaik Pendleton Ward was in CalArts right when Hertzfeldt's shorts came out. ‘Adventure Time’ ran at pretty much the same time as ‘Regular Show’, and they had similar style and mood — not surprisingly, since Ward befriended J. G. Quintel (and Alex Hirsch) at CalArts. These three worked on ‘The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack’ together before launching their separate series.

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chronicledmonocle 4 points 18 days ago

This list is not muffin approved.

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finallymadeanaccount 23 points 18 days ago

This is bullshit. The 21st century isn't even over yet.

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CultLeader4Hire 22 points 18 days ago

True Detectives (SEASON ONE)

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jpreston2005 1 point 17 days ago

lol the people behind season 2 must be fuming...

Also, if they can just, randomly specify seasons of a show, why aren't they excluding the last season of GoT? or the finale of Lost (haven't seen, but come to believe that the finale was considered one of the worst ever)?

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cantstopthesignal 1 point 17 days ago

Because Season 1 was some of the greatest television ever written, probably because it was plagiarized, and the rest of it was piss in a sock.

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halvar 21 points 18 days ago

It's really weird that basically nothing made out of the anglosphere is there. Squid game got squeezed in, but not a single anime for example is really weird. There is stuff like AoT and Death Note and neither is on there.

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mirshafie 24 points 18 days ago

It's completely US-centered with a couple of British shows sprinkled on top. Even if your focus was just the anglosphere, UK TV punches way above its weight.

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FordBeeblebrox 8 points 18 days ago

It’s funny how many British shows run for 8 episodes and an ending, then gets remade in America with 8 seasons

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Spezi 21 points 18 days ago

I’m sirprised Scrubs, Monk, Lucifer, Dark etc. didnt’t make the list but allegedly a TV show called PEN15 did?

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VerilyFemme 9 points 18 days ago

Honestly from what I've seen of PEN15 it does belong on the list.

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architect 6 points 18 days ago

Pen15 should be higher what the fuck are you on?!

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DarrinBrunner 20 points 18 days ago

I'll quote myself from the other post about this:

Why the fuck would I care what the NYT thinks about TV shows?

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rustinmyeye 19 points 18 days ago

I think these are as good as any on this list as well. My faves.

Black Sails

Arcane

Letterkenny

Norsemen

Corner Gas

A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms

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Aralakh 4 points 18 days ago

Corner Gas mentioned?! Let's go!!!

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LORDSMEGMA 3 points 18 days ago

Ferdaaaa

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KuroiKaze 0 points 17 days ago

Arcane doesn't belong but you are right on black sails

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BluJay320 18 points 19 days ago

BoJack is such an amazing series and I never want to watch it again

That shit hurt me in a way no media ever has

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ChonkyOwlbear 4 points 18 days ago

It's worth watching the German dub. The voice actors really killed it.

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sidereal 4 points 18 days ago

I love BoJack so much. I keep thinking I should rewatch it, but then put it off. it was perfect though.

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Hoimo 2 points 17 days ago

I watched it a second time and it was a very different experience. On my first watch, the ending surprised me and I thought it was a weird twist. On the second watch, I had to stop watching because it was so obvious. All the signals were there. I'd clearly misinterpreted them the first time.

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garbagebagel 1 point 18 days ago

Lol whenever I start a rewatch I know it is time to call my therapist

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blitzen 17 points 17 days ago

This is a pretty good list, that I largely agree with. IF it were unordered. Ordered the way it is, it is an abomination.

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jambudz 17 points 18 days ago

At least the big bang theory and young Sheldon aren’t on this list

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nebby 16 points 19 days ago

Orphan Black not being there should be a crime

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atomo 16 points 17 days ago

The best TV show IN ENGLISH... plenty of better TV show in other languages... just saying.

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gigaqps 6 points 17 days ago

Any recommendations?

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cantstopthesignal 6 points 17 days ago

Dark

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axx 1 point 17 days ago

One show on the list is actually not in English: The Bureau (original title: Le bureau des légendes)

Excellent spy and geo political drama/thriller following agents of the French DGSE.

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SexualPolytope 16 points 18 days ago

So apparently, the 21st Century is already over, and pretty much every good show is made in English. Got it.

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Sergio 15 points 18 days ago

Always Sunny is SEVENTY-EIGHTH?! gtfoutta here.

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Raiderkev 8 points 18 days ago

I'm so far behind on that show, like probably 10+ seasons behind. I got tired of it after a certain point. I feel like I'm not alone.

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beejboytyson 6 points 18 days ago

Oh ya sunny is the utmost sit com. The characters don't change and stay the same, they don't learn and have nothing to say. I think that's why they have so much staying power.

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RaoulDook 4 points 17 days ago

They have permanently kicked the ass of the sitcom genre. Even their new season is funny as hell. They've been making the show for like 18 years or something and can still come up with good episodes. I kinda hope they just retire it if DeVito is ready to quit though.

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CarstenBoll 3 points 17 days ago

I think that's why I've no interest in watching it.

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beejboytyson 1 point 17 days ago

Ya, imagine sienfeld except more silly.

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KuroiKaze 2 points 17 days ago

Agreed they definitely are innovators and envelope pushers, they deserve higher than garbage like 30 rock

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blitzen 14 points 18 days ago

So, so many poorly placed on the list. Band of Brothers is my personal number 1, but I'd accept it anywhere in the top 5; begrudgingly accept it in the top 10. But 28? GTFO.

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kestrel7_7 5 points 17 days ago

I got a chuckle out of BoB being right before Key & Peele. Like I love both shows, but sorry K&P, to keep it real, your show is not “almost as good as” Band of Brothers

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wolframhydroxide 14 points 17 days ago

This is certainly a top-quality shitpost. I'll give you my upvote for that.

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toxicbubble 13 points 17 days ago

I'm upset because (my favorite show) is not in the top (insert arbitrary number)

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helpImTrappedOnline 2 points 17 days ago

A lot these comments are more like

I'm upset because (my favorite 20th century show) is not in the top (insert arbitrary number)

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Grail 13 points 19 days ago

So, like,

How come they're all in English?

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riot 14 points 18 days ago

Squid Game at 72 isn't, but as far as I can tell, it's the only non-English show on there.

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FishFace 8 points 18 days ago

Because there are some unstated criteria for inclusion.

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Jarix 5 points 18 days ago

It's from an English language publisher?

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shneancy 1 point 18 days ago

all in english and the century apparently got redefined to just be the first 25 years

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DagwoodIII 6 points 18 days ago

What part of 'so far' confuses you?

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shneancy 2 points 17 days ago

please point to the words "so far" in either the picture or title

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TigerAce 12 points 18 days ago

Who made this list lol. Shit shows are high ranked, good shows low ranked. Makes no sense.

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Manticore 5 points 18 days ago

I'd assume that it's based on some form of measure. How many times streamed,, average episode rating, how many streaming/hosting licenses were purchased, etc etc.

I can absolutely see how a show without much narrative complexity but is delightful 'popcorn' to second-screen watch after a long day could perform well. It's all in which metrics were used and how they were weighted.

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TigerAce 5 points 18 days ago

I also think they only checked certain streaming services, but not all. Because there are some very good shows missing. And also many older shows are missing. At least Six Feet Under made the list, as an older show. But it shouldn't be so low on the list. Especially when you see the other shows above it. It makes no sense.

Also I didn't see Utopia (UK), The Expanse, Silo and Shrinking, which are really good. The Expanse is seen as the best scifi ever made. How can it be missing from the list.

Then they added Black Mirror, low on the list, without specifying seasons or UK and US as with other shows. The first UK seasons should have been at least in the top 10.

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tatterdemalion 11 points 18 days ago

It's a mediocre list for sure.

  1. Shogun is too low.
  2. Babylon Berlin is missing.
  3. Lost? Really?
  4. Band of Brothers is too low.
  5. Better Call Saul is too low.
  6. Severance is too low.
  7. Watchmen is too low.
  8. Barry is too low.
  9. Eastbound and Down but no Vice Principals is crazy.
  10. Community is too low.
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jackintosh 2 points 18 days ago

Halt and catch fire! The OA - really?

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tatterdemalion 1 point 18 days ago

Hadn't even heard of it.

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GrindingGears 2 points 18 days ago

Halt and Catch Fire is so slept on, it’s not funny. It’s in my personal top 10.

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tatterdemalion 2 points 18 days ago

Oh nice it has Lee Pace. I really like him in Foundation. I'll give it a shot.

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bradboimler 1 point 17 days ago

Better Call Saul is too low.

I think it's better than Breaking Bad

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Eq0 11 points 19 days ago

I’m surprised to have watched quite some of them! And I am glad to see Andor high up (subjectively, I would put it number 1, but it’s not everyone’s cup of tea)

Sales pitch: politics, political activism and action in the Star Wars universe. What happens when you are not a shiny Jedi but just a dude? Absolutely great, perfectly paced, tackling cool problems. Gives meat to the dystopian Empire. I will stop here, you should watch the first episode.

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loutr 5 points 18 days ago

I would add that being a SW fan is in no way needed to enjoy this show. I don't care much about SW, my brother even less and we both loved it.

It can feel a bit slow at times but the ending is absolutely worth it.

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Eq0 1 point 18 days ago

Yeah, I feel that being in the SW universe did Andor a disservice: SW fans didn’t like how un-starwarsy it is, non-SW fans didn’t consider it much.

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Schmoo 1 point 18 days ago

I dislike the Star Wars franchise in general but I loved Andor. Not sure it being a part of the franchise did it too much of a disservice though, I discovered it the way I discover most media (through word of mouth).

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olafurp 10 points 18 days ago

No anime on the list means they're just uncultured.

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SpiceDealer 10 points 18 days ago

I've haven't seen the vast majority of these so I can't speak for their quality.

Some I've started but haven't finished and the quality varies drastically.

I've only seen four of these to completion (Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Mare of Easttown and Baby Reindeer) only two of which (Breaking Bad and Mad Men) I would recommend.

But the biggest questions on my mind: why would you compile such a list when there's still 8 decades left in this century? Will television as a medium still exit in 2101?

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mirshafie 3 points 18 days ago

If you liked Breaking Bad, I think you should give Better Call Saul a chance. It's slower but well-written and the direction is very high level.

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noxypaws 4 points 17 days ago

arguably Better Call Saul is even better than Breaking Bad.

not through any fault or flaw with Breaking Bad. Both are absolutely masterpieces.

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FluidBeef 9 points 19 days ago

I can take it seriously if they have The Americans in the top twenty! Really good showing for British shows in a US-based list. Poor showing for animations that are not Bojack Horseman.

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funkless_eck 9 points 18 days ago

I was discussing this list with my wife yesterday - from the other comments we've watched more than the average person here. I'd say we've seen 4 out of every 5 shows at least one season and probably finished about 20% of them (with minor exceptions like spin offs or movies or new seasons in the last few years with a hiatus).

What struck me was the inclusion of Suvivor and Ru Paul - I don't doubt their cultural impact and significance, nor their importance towards their fans - but as a mark of quality of what a TV experience can be, considering performances, risk-taking, writing depth, cinematography, music, costuming, editing, props design, imagination and ingenuity - I wouldn't have included those in the Top 100.

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MrGeneric 2 points 18 days ago

I just look at these lists for some recommendations. To truly choose a best when many of these are apples and oranges, different genres, short series, long running, everyone has heard of it, no one has heard of it, high budget, low budget, influential, experimental, animated,hard to write or produce.

TLDR, The metrics are off so I don’t sweat it

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ryathal 1 point 18 days ago

I can get behind survivor being on the list since it was the first and had massive cultural impact. I'd probably put it at 80+ though.

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speckofrust 8 points 17 days ago

Thumbs up for Reservation Dogs, but I’d have rated it higher.

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Pyr_Pressure 8 points 18 days ago

I'm curious how they made the list... It couldn't have been just some intern / writer putting down their top 100? There had to be some sort of stats involved no? Like number of people watching? Number of weekly watchers? Impact on online discussions? I don't see what state it could have been which would have ignored so many other shows.

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peopleproblems 7 points 18 days ago

I don't think I know anyone that would argue with Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul, and maybe The Wire (I don't know any of you contrarians) but the rest of the list just doesn't have nearly the writing quality. Which is really weird to think about. 3 shows (really 2, Better Call Saul is really Breaking Bad) that are exponentially better than the rest.

Edit: I mean White Lotus is on there. I couldn't finish the first season. It wasn't dark or witty. It was just rich people being rich people.

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dreamkeeper 9 points 18 days ago

I loved BB and BCS but it feels like you're putting them on pedestal. They're obviously examples of great writing but they aren't in a class of their own, certainly not to an "exponential" degree. I'd put Chernobyl or Band of Brothers, just to start, on the same level. Possibly season 1 of True Detective as well, as a self-contained story. And I haven't seen every show on this list.

I'll also say that Black Mirror has some of the best psychological horror I've ever seen. It might not be an epic serial like BB but not much media has scared me to the core like Black Mirror. Not every show needs to try to do what BB did.

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mechoman444 6 points 18 days ago

I would say you believe this for two main reasons. One, those are some of the shows that you watched and are familiar with, and you've seen spectacularly little of what is actually on that list.

And two, your own subjective experience is dictating what you feel is better versus what is worse, which is ultimately a completely useless way to estimate how good something actually is.

Furthermore, lists like this are intentionally inflammatory. They'll put several genuinely good entries way too low on the list specifically so people will argue about it and drive engagement.

I mean, Westworld didn't even make the cut but Scandal did.

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Sackett 6 points 18 days ago

I've tried to watch BB 3 separate times and just could not get into it. I recognize I'm in the minority here and that taste is subjective. But I genuinely did not like it without just being contrary for the sake of it.

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bilb 3 points 18 days ago

I followed it for couple of seasons before realizing that I didn't care about anything happening in it. It happens!

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VerilyFemme 2 points 18 days ago

One thing that I've realized upon rewatching Breaking Bad is that the Breaking Bad I know and love, the one that I rave about, is really just Seasons 4 & 5.

I don't know a single Breaking Bad fan that watched through the whole show at once. In fact, I would say most people put it down around the middle of the show's run.

Yeah, Season 2 is boring as fuck. Season 3 doesn't pick up until halfway through. It's not exactly the killer drama that the first season and the fans advertised it to be. But the overall story is what keeps me coming back. Walter is our protagonist in almost every season. But in Season 5, he is undoubtedly the villain. I guess the draw of the show is the turn, which you don't get to without finishing it.

Slow-burn as fuck. Worth finishing.

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funkless_eck 2 points 18 days ago

I strongly disagree on White Lotus. The topic of a piece of writing doesn't neccessarily affect its quality. Most of Samuel Becketts work is about nothing happening, Harold Pinter about people saying things are more mundane than they are and James Joyce about everyday Irish lives.

The story of the first season is more about confronting internalized homophobia vis a vis latent bisexuality and how imposter syndrome and patriarchal power structures can be used by misogynists to control women's romantic/sexual/marriage autonomy than it is just about people being rich. I also enjoy the meta-textual element that the structure of White Lotus is very much a pistal-petal-structure.

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peopleproblems 1 point 18 days ago

I... did not get that out of white lotus at all

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funkless_eck 2 points 18 days ago

I mean you said you only watched a few episodes and I'm sympathetic to that- I've quit watching shows that just aren't my cup of tea, but it's very much a whole-show-arc kinda deal for every character.

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kgbbot 2 points 18 days ago

I'd argue that The Wire had to exist for Breaking Bad to happen like it did.

In the season where Jesse and White try to sell on their own, rewatch the scene where Combo gets got. The entire cinematography drops Breaking Bad's blues and swapps to the Wire's shades of Grey and long lense shots. It was definitely BB's production team tipping their caps to the wire...Hell the scene they chose was even (plotwise) The Wire

Breaking Bad (which Better Call Saul beautifully expanded on) was amazing but The Wire is the OG

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MrGeneric 1 point 18 days ago

Except the Duck season

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peopleproblems 1 point 18 days ago

I might need to re-watch The Wire sometime. Ive seen that opinion a lot, and but its been a LONG time.

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blartcap_ 0 points 18 days ago

If that's all you got out of the White Lotus then you went in trying to dislike it for being a show about rich people.

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cally 7 points 18 days ago

The Good Place should be ranked 1st because the list is subjective and I disagree with it, also I haven't watched most of these shows. Community would be in 2nd place.

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VerilyFemme 2 points 18 days ago

Okay so I love Mike Schur, but I know the twist of The Good Place and that's stayed me from prioritizing watching it.

My question to you is, does knowing the twist change some of the comedy for a first viewing?

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cally 6 points 18 days ago
The Good Place season 1 spoilers ("the twist")

I've watched the show 3 times and I still enjoy it (it's my "comfort show").

The vibe definitely changes on a second watch, or if you know the twist, but it's enjoyable either way! You notice so much foreshadowing for it and the jokes remain funny (funnier when knowing the twist, in my opinion).

Anyway, the plot twist happens at the end of the first season of the show, so even if, to you, knowing it kinda stains the experience, it has 3 more seasons after the initial twist. I really recommend watching it!

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VerilyFemme 1 point 18 days ago

Okay, that's comforting. I thought it was like a final episode thing.

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Miaou 4 points 18 days ago

It only matters for the first season. I also didn't mind rewatching it, as there are small details here and there hinting at the big spoiler (or at least that'll remind you of it)

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IamMoonPie 3 points 18 days ago

No way! It’s definitely still worth a watch. I’ve never had a show make me cry so severely both from laughter and sadness. It’s beautiful!

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DoucheBagMcSwag 7 points 18 days ago

Game of....what again?....

Something about a cold season approaching? Can't really seem to remember....

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Objection 6 points 18 days ago

"Seasons change, and so did I. You need not wonder why."

  • Jon Thrones
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MajorasTerribleFate 2 points 18 days ago

"My clock is done." - Jon Thrones

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Slovene85 3 points 17 days ago

Game of tits and dragons

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helpImTrappedOnline 7 points 17 days ago

No Pushing Daisies?

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red_bull_of_juarez 7 points 19 days ago

There's only one show on that list where I've seen every single episode: Chernobyl. And that's only because it's a single, short season. I started others from that list and enjoyed them, but finishing them feels like such a big project.

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VoteNixon2016 1 point 18 days ago

I recommend Fleabag to basically everyone, and it's only two six-episode seasons, Chernobyl was probably longer

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red_bull_of_juarez 2 points 18 days ago

Sorry, Chernobyl only has 5 episodes. Also, Fleabag doesn't sound like it'd be something for me.

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ExLisper 7 points 17 days ago

So many shows are way too high on the list. 30 rock, Curb Your Enthusiasm, Atlanta, The Office (US), Girls... all really good shows but definitely not top 20. It's stupid to argue if a show is top 40 of top 70 but it's fairly easy to tell if a show is "one of the best of the century" and those are not. Adolescence, True Detective, Band of Brothers or Black Mirror set new standards. Those shows were good but far from "best".

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sqauffle 7 points 17 days ago

Andor not in the top ten is clown dookie

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spacegoat 1 point 17 days ago

I wonder when the list was created

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underscores 7 points 18 days ago

It's intentionally sorted like ass for engagement

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roserose56 7 points 17 days ago

Fake top 100 for sure. Op made it because he watched this series and wants to brag about it.
Where at IT Crowd, Seinfeld and Person of Interest? But yea, let add only American series!
/J

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niva 8 points 17 days ago

21st century

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Brimstone 1 point 16 days ago
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RaoulDook 6 points 17 days ago

Where is Garth Mahrengi's Darkplace?

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axx 5 points 17 days ago

Number one, in a different dimension.

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DagwoodIII 7 points 19 days ago

I really like that The OA got on the list.

Almost no one I know has even heard of it.

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bunkyprewster 6 points 18 days ago

I loved OA and still think about it a lot.

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PancakesCantKillMe 2 points 18 days ago

There are dozens of us!

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tigermountain 6 points 18 days ago

Office UK is better than Office US.

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combomeal 4 points 17 days ago

I tried to agree with you at one point

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Alfredo_DisguidoAlCazzo 3 points 17 days ago

Never made it past episode 3

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humanspiral 6 points 18 days ago

searches for IASIP... 78th?!?!?!?!?

Suck it family guy/simpsons for surviving shows.

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MrPnut 6 points 17 days ago

I wouldn’t put Breaking Bad over The Wire.

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radiofreebc 8 points 17 days ago

The Wire is, without a doubt, the best written show in television history. If anyone hasn't seen it, you have to see it.

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cantstopthesignal 0 points 17 days ago

The writing in Oz might be better.

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KuroiKaze -1 points 17 days ago

Nah it totally jumps the shark when Marlo is introduced. The shield is better. Plus it had a whole universe

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grrgyle -2 points 17 days ago

I wouldn't put Breaking Bad over many things. I'm still sore I made myself watch the whole thing.

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DrBob 5 points 18 days ago

Californication seems to be missing.

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axx 5 points 17 days ago

The Expanse. Where's the fucking Expanse?

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zloubida 5 points 19 days ago

I've seen 3! The Office (US), Battlestar Galactica and Stranger Things. I'm cultured!

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Rikkard 5 points 18 days ago

Silo? From? Severance?

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schmalls 6 points 17 days ago

Severance made their list.

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ExLisper 0 points 17 days ago

Silo is weak. Only first season of Severance was good.

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Ledivin 4 points 17 days ago

Girls at 13 is much more egregious, IMO

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BrilliantantTurd4361 4 points 17 days ago

Hot take; fleabag was mediocre at best

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TheBlindPew 4 points 17 days ago

Big disagree personally, but props for the hottest take ive actually seen someone make on this website

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rhymeswithduck 2 points 17 days ago

If you've never experienced depression, I think the show would be hard to relate to.

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LycanGalen 2 points 17 days ago

Idk. Depression and I are pretty tight, and I have tried to watch Fleabag multiple times and never made it through. Just so indifferent to it that I forget it exists.

Great that it is important to some folks, glad it was made for them. It just isn't for everyone.

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CreativeCider 4 points 18 days ago

Typical NYT list, lots of filler series. But where the fuck is 24?

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ExLisper 3 points 17 days ago

Deadwood. Great show. Definitely belongs on the list. Cancelled too early. I heard rumors about a movie that would work as the final episode as something.

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cantstopthesignal 2 points 17 days ago

Some really well portrayed characters, some really poorly portrayed characters, and the writing after the first season and a half was plywood. Not paper thin, but pretty weak.

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GonzoAtBarstow 1 point 4 days ago

Season 3 was full of setups and plot points that were supposed to be resolved in a season 4 that never came. The movie tried to close those holes, but the movie isn't bingeable like the show is.

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Bebopalouie 4 points 18 days ago

Oh please …

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renrenPDX 4 points 18 days ago

I don't watch a lot of TV, and this list proves it lol. I think I counted 10 or less, maybe 15.

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Warl0k3 2 points 17 days ago

I counted all of four (Ted Lasso, Ru Paul, Parts Unknown, BSG), which yeah that kinda explains a lot. I miss so many references in my day-to-day, maybe I should binge some things for the cultural literacy...

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renrenPDX 2 points 17 days ago

OK I recounted and it was 15. Some of these are really old though, and consumption habits have changed quite a bit over the last 20 years. Most of these were viewed well after they originally aired.

Breaking Bad (2008-2013; complete) Game of Thrones (2011-2019; most) Arrested Development (2003-2019; most) Lost (2004-2010; complete?) Black Mirror (2011-pres; some) Severance (2022-present; Season 1&2) Survivor (2000-pres; some) BSG (2005-2009; complete) House of Cards (2013-2018; first season) Parks and Rec (2009-2015; complete) Stranger Things (2016-2025; first season) Bourdain PU (2013-2018; complete) Bourdain NR (2005-2012; complete) Squid Game (2021-2025; Season 1&2) Planet Earth (2006; some)

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FalschgeldFurkan 4 points 17 days ago

In what world is The Office US higher than The Office UK?

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mantricx 7 points 17 days ago

The first few episodes (first entire season maybe) of Office US is worse, but as an entire series there’s little argument that the U.S. version was more engaging, created more diverse and memorable characters, and had much better storylines. Most of this is purely because it ran longer, but it’s really a very different type of show.

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NotAnOtter 1 point 17 days ago

The office US is broadly considered the better version. It certainly had a way bigger market success.

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KuroiKaze 1 point 17 days ago

Absolutely agreed it's McDonald's against a good restaurant, sure one serves more customers but it's nowhere near the quality

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adwijoma 4 points 17 days ago

No

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ThatGuy46475 4 points 17 days ago

No whose line?

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TargaryenTKE 2 points 17 days ago

Though the majority of its runtime has been in the 21st century, it initially aired in September of 1998 (British version was back in '88). Every other entry on this list starts at 2000 or later.

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Groaningwhale 3 points 18 days ago

No Shameless? This list sucks.

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mechoman444 5 points 18 days ago

I'm glad you liked Shameless and enjoyed it; it's absolutely fantastic that you did. There's no issue with that.

But I thought it was, objectively, a very mediocre show. It relied almost exclusively on unnecessary shock value to drive the narrative and keep people watching.

It was so pointlessly raunchy and disgusting.

If you have to rely on gratuitous sex and violence to keep your audience engaged, you're not making a good show.

Nip/Tuck is another great example of this.

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chunes 3 points 18 days ago

Battlestar Galactica didn't even make the top 100?

Edit: NVM, it's #37 lol

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Soupbreaker 3 points 17 days ago

This is Dicktown erasure! Also, it's ludicrous that Taskmaster isn't on here.

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Marthirial 3 points 18 days ago

True Detective shouldn't even be considered a series. Just an 8-part miniseries with 3 more fan fiction spins afterwards.

Vince Vaughn as a cop was the worse TV in HBO. I bet there is a star at the lobby when they killed that character.

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CultLeader4Hire 3 points 18 days ago

I won’t watch anything with Vince in it, he’s a terrible actor

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oppy1984 1 point 18 days ago

Same, he on my list of actors that I just constantly ask, how do they keep getting work? Of course Jared Leto is the permanent #1 on that list.

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muusemuuse 3 points 18 days ago

Hmm, no wonder I haven’t watched much TV in years.

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Diddlydee 3 points 19 days ago

I mean, everyone loved it until close to the end, so hardly a surprise.

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slaacaa 8 points 18 days ago

It’s like if a well-loved fancy restaurant served you 6 amazing courses, then gave you a shit sandwich for dessert. It doesn’t matter how good the other courses were, you’d complain and tell everybody to avoid the place.

It’s exactly the same way with TV shows. Shit ending = shit show

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RBWells 3 points 18 days ago

I used to dance and one of my teachers, in a situation where we had to improvise a little at an event that had hired us said "you need a very strong beginning and ending, people can forgive a lot in the middle."

So the end season of a show being shit is worse than a bad season in the middle. I didn't watch it through but that makes logical sense to me.

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slaacaa 2 points 18 days ago

Yes. It’s the basis of storytelling to nail down the beginning and ending first, then major points inbetween, and then work on the rest. Ending makes or breaks a story, whatever the medium

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hypnicjerk 4 points 18 days ago

book readers had been calling it shite since season 4 at the latest. folks who made it to season 7 before realizing it had fallen apart are a little bit slow.

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driftwood 3 points 18 days ago

The costumes and set work were visibly dogshit from episode 1. My friends and I were very excited for a high production value fantasy show to finally happen. Then they spent all the money on actors willing to do nude scenes (they must’ve missed the market saturation of fantasy porn and smut literature). I think I made it 4 episodes and was glad people came around eventually because that period between was unpleasant.

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OriginEnergySux 3 points 17 days ago

No Seinfield?

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TargaryenTKE 6 points 17 days ago

Seinfeld ran from 1989-98. This is a list of 21st century shows

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OriginEnergySux 2 points 17 days ago

But gilmore girls is in there? Please dont tell me gilmore girls was on during the 2000s and fuck with my memory

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TargaryenTKE 3 points 17 days ago

Sheet says 2000-07, starting on the WB and their last season concluded on the CW. Maybe you only saw it on CW?

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OriginEnergySux 4 points 17 days ago

Holy shit i googled and it started in 2000... my whole life i remembered that show being on in the 90s...wtf

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radiofreebc 0 points 17 days ago

Seinfeld sucked. What a dumb show.

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OriginEnergySux 5 points 17 days ago

For you

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NotAnOtter 2 points 17 days ago

Shocking. Man has opinion and that opinion primarily applies to himself.

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radiofreebc 0 points 17 days ago

I tried. I just couldn't ever get into it.

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thermal_shock 4 points 17 days ago

So... For you...

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NotAnOtter -1 points 17 days ago

The sitcom format in general just doesn't work for modern audiences. The format needed entirely self contained narratives which could be watched with a whole family - that isn't what the market demands these days.

I think Seinfield sucked but I think all sitcom sucks, mostly because I didn't grow up in a house that watched them + moved to streaming before I had my own place.

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Doom 3 points 18 days ago

I've watched almost none of these. But I've seen a lot of them advertised - hard. This feel like promotional material. I'd bet all of these are currently streaming on varying services. I mean looook at all these shows you haven't seen. Do you want to be the only one who hasn't seen PEN15? If you don't keep paying higher and higher monies to your streaming overlords you'll miss the the in progress award winning shows. Do you want to be a social pariah?

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BillyCrystalMeth 6 points 18 days ago

I would actually recommend PEN15 to anyone willing to listen

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barooboodoo 4 points 18 days ago

Dude same, it's weird that there's a couple comments specifically singling it out in this thread.

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architect 5 points 18 days ago

Pen15 is the best. You people are uncultured swine. You haven’t even seen it and you judge.

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tunda 3 points 19 days ago

@slaacaa Just American Productions, how poor.

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olosta 3 points 18 days ago

There's at least "the bureau" and "the office UK", but yeah this is a bad list.

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tunda 2 points 18 days ago path: 0 26023386 26023469 26023521, hotness: undefined, score: 2, children: 0
Hawk 1 point 18 days ago

Downton Abbey too. I'm surprised a show like "Sherlock" isn't on it though.

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riot 1 point 18 days ago

Squid Game too, being the only non-English show on there, as far as I can tell.

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rmuk 1 point 18 days ago

Happy Valley, Black Mirror, The Crown, The Office, The Thick of It.

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Armand1 2 points 18 days ago

Hey, we're only 1/4 through the 21st century so far. It's too early to call it. The Grapes of Wrath reboot doesn't come out until 2040!

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MurkdeTed 2 points 19 days ago

True Detective (S1) should be in top 5.

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DagwoodIII 2 points 19 days ago

Also, Orphan Black.

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heartSagan5 2 points 17 days ago

Wow... and we're only 1/4 of the way through it. I can't wait for the AI garbage to rain down on us, and the younger saying... it's great.

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SpruceBringsteen 2 points 18 days ago

Six Feet Under and Deadwood outside the top 10? Shame.

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mechoman444 2 points 18 days ago

I'm like why aren't the sopranos in here and I'm like o ya that show came out in the 90s! Then I'm like fuck i'm old.

Also Gilmore Girls deserves to be way, way higher on that list!

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Blackfeathr 2 points 18 days ago

No Boardwalk Empire? ☹️

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tigermountain 1 point 18 days ago

Atlanta? No fucking way.

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sidereal 2 points 18 days ago

I actually really liked it an would put it on my top 100 list. granted I don't think I've seen a hundred total sooo

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cantstopthesignal 1 point 17 days ago

The fact that True Detective is limited only to Season 1 is a testament to plagiarism.

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thermal_shock 1 point 17 days ago

4 was decent. Didn't give a shit about 2 or 3.

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VindictiveJudge 1 point 17 days ago

I actually loved 3.

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goodboyjojo 1 point 17 days ago

I love some of these shows. Overall I would say the list is OK.

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finallymadeanaccount 1 point 18 days ago

No Will Trent? No Tracker?

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Taleya 3 points 18 days ago

No Scrubs? No what we do in the shadows? No fall of the house of Usher? NO FUCKING RUSSIAN DOLL??

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hansolo 2 points 18 days ago

Which Tracker? The South African series was awesome.

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finallymadeanaccount 2 points 18 days ago

US. Justin Hartley.

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rmuk 1 point 18 days ago
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Grail 1 point 19 days ago

Are there ANY animated shows in this list?

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DagwoodIII 7 points 19 days ago

Yes. Bojack Horseman.

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Grail 3 points 18 days ago

Oh, cool.

But I can name a lot of animated shows better than Bojack Horseman.

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funkless_eck 1 point 18 days ago

For a mainstream audience of educated Western English-speaking adults, skewed towards NYT readership? I'd be curious to know what you'd say.

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Hoimo 1 point 17 days ago

I think it's more an issue of NYT readership skewing extremely old. Under-40 will have watched plenty of great animated shows in this century. But someone who was 30 in 2000 probably missed out on the 2005 Adult Swim broadcasting of Samurai Champloo.

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Grail 1 point 18 days ago

I'd add more cartoons and anime. Infinity Train takes the number 1 spot. The Good Place goes to number 2. Modern Family has no place here, replace it with Star Trek Lower Decks. Add Mythbusters and Blood of Zeus and Arcane and Blue Eye Samurai and BNA. Move Community up too. Get The Office outta here, it sucks. And move The Office down a LOT. Oh, and we gotta add Invincible and The Boys. And ATLA! If we wanna go with artsy stuff that "mature" people like, add Primal. I didn't like it all that much, but I bet normies will eat it up. Scavengers Reign is better than RuPaul's Drag Race, and A Series of Unfortunate Events is better than Stranger Things. And swap Squid Game for Kaiji, for fuck's sake! Kaiji did the same themes better.

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BigBananaDealer 0 points 17 days ago

lost is far too low for how invaluable to the way television is today it is. one of the most influential pieces of media ever. it should be top 10 without question

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Rekorse 1 point 17 days ago

Influential doesnt mean good. This is a list of the best shows of all time, not the most influential.

Personally found Lost to be a tough watch after the fact, which takes points away. Same thing for a lot of comedy shows as well as some infamous ones like Game of Thrones.

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BigBananaDealer 3 points 17 days ago

lost was as good as it was influential, so thats double points for it now

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cantstopthesignal 1 point 17 days ago

They wrote the show into a corner. That made it not as good. Look at how Game of Thrones ended and you can understand that a show can be completely hamstrung by a lack of planning by the primary author.

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KuroiKaze 1 point 17 days ago

Dude that show jumped the shark the second the time skips appeared, I couldn't even finish it

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affenlehrer 0 points 19 days ago

Interesting, never heard of a lot in the top 10. Maybe not available here or renamed

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undefinedValue 0 points 18 days ago

Lmao @ The OA.

That’s the one where they prevented a school shooting through the magic of interpretive dance right?

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jpreston2005 -1 points 17 days ago

Key and Peele rated higher than Chappelle show? What are we even doing here?

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Rekorse 2 points 17 days ago

Key and Peele did it better.

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tidderuuf -1 points 18 days ago

Who puts a limited series next to a tv show?

Someone who doesn't know what the fuck good tv is that's who.

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expletivedeleted -1 points 18 days ago

I don't agree with the list, but what is with the check boxes. Where's the box for "this show sucked."

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Samsy -2 points 18 days ago

Idk the shows between breaking Bad and GoT. Btw. Where is the walking dead?

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beejboytyson -3 points 18 days ago

Key and peele should not be up there. Only suburbanites like that shit. I can name 5 sketch coms that are better.

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NotAnOtter -3 points 17 days ago

A ton of very questionable choices on this list. Many of these aren't even prestige TV?

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TheKingBombOmbKiller 3 points 17 days ago

Why should that be a criteria for ranking among the 100 best TV-shows of the 21st century?

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too_high_for_this -4 points 18 days ago

No Young Sheldon? Wtf

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Pat -5 points 19 days ago

1: Never even watched a single episode of any of these.

2: Why isn't Mythbusters on here?

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lepinkainen 21 points 19 days ago

Oh you’re so cool for not watching any of the top100 shows.

Just to calibrate: have you watched ANY western TV shows in the last 20 years? If so, which?

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Zwiebel 7 points 19 days ago

Does Sendung mit der Maus count?

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Pat -2 points 19 days ago

Mythbusters, The Simpsons, and one (1) episode of Family Guy. Also, note, "best" is an exceptionally vague term, so let's not get into Internet flamewars over it. And, for the record, I haven't watched non-Western TV shows either. Maybe one episode of Pokémon when I was a wee kid.

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dan 10 points 19 days ago

one (1)

Thanks for the clarification.

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boonhet 1 point 18 days ago

It's usually written that way as a joke in non-serious contexts

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GargleBlaster 7 points 19 days ago

So you don't watch TV shows and then complain that you haven't watched any of the shows listed there?

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Pat -2 points 18 days ago

complain

What an odd way to phrase that. Now, everyone stop with flame wars or I'll delete the whole shebang.

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whiteblacula 13 points 19 days ago

Mythbusters should definitely be up there somewhere

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RodersTrotters -5 points 17 days ago

All time best show is Friends, everybody knows it.

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KuroiKaze 1 point 17 days ago

Completely trash

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RodersTrotters 1 point 16 days ago

It was a joke.

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KuroiKaze 0 points 16 days ago

/s

Here you dropped this

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Tidesphere -8 points 18 days ago

What is this list, lmao

Breaking Bad #1?

30 Rock above The Office?

Edit: I haven't even heard of half these shows. Succession? Fleabag? Atlanta? I haven't seen a single ad for any of these, nor have any social circle I've been in ever mentioned them. Complete unknowns in the top 10

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xistera 8 points 18 days ago

Yeah no one has heard of Succession... with their 75 Emmy nominations and 19 wins. Completely unknown show.

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Tidesphere -3 points 18 days ago

I could not name a single Emmy nominated show if you asked me to. And honestly, as I've said elsewhere, neither could any of my friends. It's possible that I'm just in communities that tend not to watch television? But I think that it's crazy that I could ask like eight or nine people "Hey, have you heard of Breaking Bad?" And all nine would say "Yeah of course" and those same nine people will confirm that they have not ever heard of Succession. Or Fleabag. Or Atlanta.

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garbagebagel 3 points 18 days ago

Bro, what. Are you living under a rock?

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Tidesphere 0 points 18 days ago

Honestly probably? But I'm not exaggerating when I say neither me nor any of my friends have heard of those shows.

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Gold_E_Lox 3 points 18 days ago

those three are definately not unknowns, and should be higher imo

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